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  • GaleHawkinsGaleHawkins Member Posts: 7,943 Member Member Posts: 7,943 Member
    debtay123 wrote: »
    GaleHawkins-Oh No- and can't they see how we in the USA are sick and dying-- the Germans nor any other country -they do not need to "follow" us esp. in rebelling at health officials trying to keep us safe- no sir- not at all!!!!


    https://apnews.com/ef70c1af702b89c23e71fcd843e63293--your link

    How did you break my link. :)

    https://apnews.com/ef70c1af702b89c23e71fcd843e63293

    Thousands protest in Berlin against coronavirus restrictions
    By GEIR MOULSON
    yesterday
    edited August 2
  • paperpuddingpaperpudding Member Posts: 6,037 Member Member Posts: 6,037 Member
    mockchoc wrote: »
    Yes I am sorry to read of situation in Victoria - and NSW sounds on same projectory.
    Hopefully nipped in bud better there

    Safe states like SA and WA need to keep tight borders and careful control of any exempted entrants.

    Things are almost normal here in SA and obviously we want to keep it that way.

    So do I so you are welcome to have the men kicking balls instead of us lol. Ok joking now but jez they can stay home. Make their millions down south somewhere.
    mockchoc wrote: »
    Yes I am sorry to read of situation in Victoria - and NSW sounds on same projectory.
    Hopefully nipped in bud better there

    Safe states like SA and WA need to keep tight borders and careful control of any exempted entrants.

    Things are almost normal here in SA and obviously we want to keep it that way.

    So do I so you are welcome to have the men kicking balls instead of us lol. Ok joking now but jez they can stay home. Make their millions down south somewhere.

    Haha. :D

    I'd love to get to an AFL match again, I usually go to a couple a year.

    Won't be happening this year with limited crowd numbers - and my team isn't worth watching this year anyway. :o;):*

  • ReenieHJReenieHJ Member Posts: 2,207 Member Member Posts: 2,207 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    When Virginia's guidelines said no group gatherings over 10 people, my family said having a family dinner would be fine because it's 9 people. I tried to explain that I didn't care what the state guidelines were, there wasn't room for all 9 of us to sit and eat far enough apart indoors. I'm shocked by how much most people (Americans, at least) want to grasp onto any out-of-context detail that just makes everything ok. As someone who lives alone and is working from home, I know how the loneliness can weigh on you. I'm afraid I'm missing important time with my little nephews, and my parents. But we are making this so much worse than it needs to be by not just swallowing our medicine and getting it over with!

    Exactly. And I'm afraid we're simply going to limp along until the day when everyone can get a vaccine, which IMO will be quite awhile. :(
  • GaleHawkinsGaleHawkins Member Posts: 7,943 Member Member Posts: 7,943 Member
  • T1DCarnivoreRunnerT1DCarnivoreRunner Member Posts: 10,908 Member Member Posts: 10,908 Member
    baconslave wrote: »
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    When Virginia's guidelines said no group gatherings over 10 people, my family said having a family dinner would be fine because it's 9 people. I tried to explain that I didn't care what the state guidelines were, there wasn't room for all 9 of us to sit and eat far enough apart indoors. I'm shocked by how much most people (Americans, at least) want to grasp onto any out-of-context detail that just makes everything ok. As someone who lives alone and is working from home, I know how the loneliness can weigh on you. I'm afraid I'm missing important time with my little nephews, and my parents. But we are making this so much worse than it needs to be by not just swallowing our medicine and getting it over with!

    Exactly. And I'm afraid we're simply going to limp along until the day when everyone can get a vaccine, which IMO will be quite awhile. :(

    That is exactly what is going to happen. It will be a long, slow, agonizing burn.
    And it didn't need to be this way.




    Agreed.

    As to a vaccine, it's going to take time, but there is an ethical argument made to support reducing the amount of time it takes.

  • cwolfman13cwolfman13 Member Posts: 38,077 Member Member Posts: 38,077 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    I live in AZ now, but I'm a huge (and hopeless) Bengals fan. NFL fans are hoping the season gets played and if you pay any attention to the draft, Joe Burrow is now a Bengal, so fans are even more excited about Cincinnati.

    I personally don't see an NFL season happening, as much as I'd like it to. They, like MLB and the NBA, are allowing players to "opt out" of the season. Here's the thing with football players. Be definition, O-linemen are obese. They have to be to be 300 plus pounds. It's part of the job.

    I'd be curious how other football fans feel. Though I'd love to see my team play this year, I have no desire for anyone to die for my entertainment.

    Every professional league and university athletic program is desperate for their seasons to start. Even if they can't host fans, they need the TV revenue. They are trying to preserve their profitability and their jobs, regardless of the risk to players and staff.

    So, far, the NBA and NHL have been successful in restarting their seasons ONLY because they are keeping players and staff in a quarantined "bubble" in host/hub cities. No travel, no going home, no outside food, no families, no women.

    MLB opted for allowing teams to play in their home ballparks, travel to other team's ballparks, stay at their own homes in their home cities. And now you see the Miami Marlins have a huge outbreak with at least 17 players testing positive. That was in the first week of play. This will happen to other baseball teams, and I will be very surprised if the MLB season plays through to its conclusion.

    The NFL will be in the same boat, since they are also allowing teams to play in their home facilities. They may have a slight advantage over MLB, with travel only once a week and far fewer games.

    I'm a sports fan, but I just don't see how any of this is going to work right now. As with many industries, shutting down is going to cost people their jobs, but at least they'll have their lives.

    As an NHL fan, I give them a slight edge in making it work as not only are they in a bubble but the two bubbles are in Canada.

    But as much as I will enjoy watching as many of any of these games as they can put out, I'm concerned by the sheer volume of testing supplies they are using for something that is just entertainment. Here in the US where there are still people waiting 7+ days for test results, it just doesn't seem responsible.

    The Cardinals just announced two players have tested positive, so here we go again. The worst case scenario for MLB is they don't even manage to play the season and several players or staff members see their careers ruined or even lose their lives. Not that completing the season would be worth it either, but you know what I mean.

    I keep waiting to hear the NFL cancel the season. Between the example baseball is setting, the fact you mentioned that there are obese football players, and the NFLs crappy history of taking care of their players long term, it just seems like a tragedy waiting to happen.

    At this point, the actual tests are pretty abundant...as for getting results back, that's really more of a lab thing. Places like urgent care facilities and pharmacies, etc do not have the ability to test in house, so those are sent to private labs. In New Mexico we have a number of testing places that are run by the DOH and Presbyterian hospital and those results usually come back within a day because they can do everything in house.

    Sports teams have the ability to do that lab work in house, so they really aren't taking away resources from the general public.
  • lemurcat2lemurcat2 Member Posts: 5,668 Member Member Posts: 5,668 Member
    That’s a very selective thing to focus on. Sweden has about one and a half times the population of Tennessee, and many times the number of deaths. The most significant quote from the article is the last paragraph, pointing out that they have more deaths per capita than, hmm, pretty much every other nation which did have a lockdown.

    It makes sense that Sweden’s cases are dropping now, as their government belatedly freaks out and asks people to social distance, while the rest of Europe is rising as they open up.


    I think Sweden is interesting, and also not like the US in lots of important ways that make it incredibly possible that we would have had far worse results if we had done what they did, but I find the comparison of Sweden and IL interesting. (I think this is arguably more relevant than the comparison with TN, as it is unlikely that TN has peaked, and Sweden and IL likely have. On the other hand, Chicago got hit earlier than Sweden, so had less time to take precautions, and there are differences between the populations (such as areas of Chicago with serious poverty and other social problems, including distrust of authority and an apparent resistance to precautions based on a rumor that COVID was only a white problem, and those areas also happen to be the hardest hit areas).)

    Sweden has a population of 10.3 million, and an overall density of 60/sq mile.

    Its main big city, Stockholm, has a population (city center) of less than a million, with a density of about 11,000/sq mile. The metro area of Stockholm has a population of 1.37 m, with a density of 940/sq mile.

    Illinois has a population of 12.67 million, with an overall density of 232/sq mile.

    Its main big city, Chicago, has a population (city center) of 2.7 million, with an overall density of 11,850/sq mile. Getting stats for all of Chicago metro is complicated, as it is defined to go into IN and WI (and thus to be 9.5 million with a density of 1,300/sq mile), so I will use Cook County, which has a population of 5.15 million and density of 5,450/sq mile.

    Thus, looking at those numbers alone (pop and density), plus coronavirus hitting Chicago earlier, and before people knew to social distance (and they have been encouraging social distancing in Sweden throughout, even though they didn't lock down), plus the added issues in Chicago re poverty and related matters, you would expect Illinois to do worse. To date, it has:

    Sweden: 5,743 deaths [roughly, 56/million]. Illinois: 7,707 deaths (to date) [roughly, 60/million].

    BUT, Illinois shut down (to some extent, enforced/respected more in Cook Co than elsewhere). Our stay at home order was one of the earliest and Chicago schools shut down before NYC, and Archdiocese of Chicago schools shut down before CPS. Sweden has not shut down schools.

    Also, current deaths are extremely low (or even 0) in Sweden (perhaps similar to NYC metro where the shut down was way too late, deaths were worse than anywhere else in the US, but deaths are trending the same way). In Illinois, on the other hand, deaths have been more like 20 (and may well be picking up in the parts of the state outside of Chicago, although they remain too high in Chicago and Cook Co too).

    So does this show Illinois was right and Sweden was wrong? I am not sure. And you can't forget the basic differences between the US and Sweden (Sweden was confident their health care system would be able to manage, Sweden likely has a healthier overall population).
    edited August 2
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