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L1zardQueen wrote: »Gotta love California. Our new guideline to get us through the holidays. Ha
Sorry had to Google since I thought it was internet BS.
So what is done if someone waves a middle finger at one or all of the guidelines?4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »You are assuming that this virus was controllable. Viruses like sharks have been around longer than man and both seem to control the responses of man more than the other way around. It has been said from the get go this coming winter was going to be very hard but hopefully the experts are wrong. You are correct often the second and third waves are worse.
Out of the UK last week we heard Covid-19 may be with us for years to come. Keep in mind most of what we have heard since March 2020 has been filtered by non medical people.
We now understand the lack good health practices invites pandemics historically speaking.
It was. Several countries have done it/are doing it. But as the person above you said, it's too late for those that didn't get control of it early. The horse has well and truly bolted.
Will you please share the current Covid-19 stats for 3 of the several countries that you claim have done it/are doing it?
China has claimed the virus behind Covid-19 was the work of the USA and that may have some merit but most nations are pointing fingers towards mainland China. Assuming the virus did come from China once it was exported by plane directly to the USA west coast and to the east coast way of Italy medically speaking Covid-19 was not controllable in the USA or other countries period.
Today in the USA alone we are certain millions are walking around spreading the virus with no outward symptoms. A killer virus that can hide undetected by outward signs in infected humans is NOT controllable period. It can be Managed but not Controlled.
You are correct, managed is what I was meaning.
FWIW, New Zealand's current cases (as of yesterday). That one new case is someone in Managed Isolation (ie someone who has just arrived from overseas and is in mandatory MIQ for 14 days - yes, we have the audacity to confine anyone coming into the country to a 4/5 star hotel for a couple of weeks after arrival). The current community cases stem from someone who does some sort of repair work or something on ships, who contracted it on a ship they worked on recently, and close contacts of that person:
Australia is also doing well. The state of Victoria had a nasty re-emergence starting a few months back, and have just now come out of a very strict 12 week lockdown to get that under control (which they have).
Yes, both of these countries are islands. So's the UK. We most certainly had some advantages, but mostly our success in managing the pandemic was down to swift and decisive action by our leaders.
Yes!! I love the New Zealand model. I have a relative living there, so get a few updates on how well it has worked for them.5 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Gotta love California. Our new guideline to get us through the holidays. Ha
Sorry had to Google since I thought it was internet BS.
So what is done if someone waves a middle finger at one or all of the guidelines?
Probably nothing as I'm sure there will be a lot.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Gotta love California. Our new guideline to get us through the holidays. Ha
Sorry had to Google since I thought it was internet BS.
So what is done if someone waves a middle finger at one or all of the guidelines?
Someone posted this on Facebook. I thought it was a joke! This is real????2 -
As of a few weeks ago, our governor wants us to wear masks in between bites while eating in restaurants.
It is unbelievable.3 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Gotta love California. Our new guideline to get us through the holidays. Ha
Sorry had to Google since I thought it was internet BS.
So what is done if someone waves a middle finger at one or all of the guidelines?
Nothing. It's not enforceable. They're just hoping that people will see the guidelines and be more thoughtful and cautious this season. Maybe try to adhere somewhat to it. Better than putting out no guidance at all and people just think it's business as usual.8 -
Saw the Darwin family at Sam's tonight. Husband, wife, 3 sons all low rider masks. Sam's had a display of retro arcade games by the entrance, every member of the family pawed all over them.4
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Dyer County, TN (northwest TN) has a mask mandate again, started 10/22. It wasn't enforced in Sept. before it expired (Sept. 28), and I have no expectation that anyone will enforce it now. But it is a nice idea in theory. I saw 2 deputies on Sunday not wearing masks... if the county law enforcement won't even follow the county mask mandate, why should I think anyone else will?
ETA: This time, it expires at the end of the year.
Speaking of Tennessee:
https://www.vumc.org/health-policy/sites/default/files/public_files/Vanderbilt COVID19 Report-Oct 27.pdf
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So... I may have had an exposure this past weekend. Getting tested tomorrow morning (yay for free testing for all residents in my city). Would rather get tested and get a negative, then not get tested and be positive and not know about it. If I have symptoms then they are mild and hiding behind the horrible fall allergies I have been dealing with. I have literally had a cough for a month at this point.
Still... I admit I am nervous. I am high risk and my immune system is already stressed. We will see and hope I guess.
Think I'm still safe. I finally "know" someone who actually has it. A son of a work colleague, returning home from an overseas trip. All arrivals from "high-risk" countries are quarantined in designated hotels until a second negative test. A positive result on any of those two tests results in being immediately transported to the government-run isolation facility until recovery. So he never got the chance to move around in the general population before his condition revealed itself.9 -
Someone knocked loudly on my door this afternoon, going door to door with a clipboard and a mask that he immediately pulled down when he began speaking. I told him to stay back if he was going to do that (he had stepped off the porch before I opened the door but began walking toward me after he pulled the mask down).
I didn't listen to much of his spiel, as it started by implying he was from my electric utility when I don't think he was (different company name on his shirt -- I read all my bill inserts, so if it were an affiliate company, I think I would know). He also seemed to want to come inside for an energy audit -- no way if the first thing you do is take the mask off. Everybody who has come to house from various legit service companies (plumbing, heating system, etc.) since March has been very good about wearing masks the whole time. Scammers need to get their act together if they want their con(fidence) act to work.
On the upside, I'm finished with my quarantine after my exposure to someone who tested positive (we both wore our masks while we were talking together, outside, so I'm not surprised I never had any symptoms -- I didn't get tested, so I can't swear I wasn't infected). Going to head out to the post office in a bit with some bills I've been waiting to pay until my quarantine was over. Maybe I'll pick up some food while I'm out. Whoo-hoo, living large.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Someone knocked loudly on my door this afternoon, going door to door with a clipboard and a mask that he immediately pulled down when he began speaking. I told him to stay back if he was going to do that (he had stepped off the porch before I opened the door but began walking toward me after he pulled the mask down).
I didn't listen to much of his spiel, as it started by implying he was from my electric utility when I don't think he was (different company name on his shirt -- I read all my bill inserts, so if it were an affiliate company, I think I would know). He also seemed to want to come inside for an energy audit -- no way if the first thing you do is take the mask off. Everybody who has come to house from various legit service companies (plumbing, heating system, etc.) since March has been very good about wearing masks the whole time. Scammers need to get their act together if they want their con(fidence) act to work.
On the upside, I'm finished with my quarantine after my exposure to someone who tested positive (we both wore our masks while we were talking together, outside, so I'm not surprised I never had any symptoms -- I didn't get tested, so I can't swear I wasn't infected). Going to head out to the post office in a bit with some bills I've been waiting to pay until my quarantine was over. Maybe I'll pick up some food while I'm out. Whoo-hoo, living large.
You handled that situation really well. I don't think that guy was genuine at all.
Recently had issues with our home phone. The company called to confirm the technician's visit time and assured us that he would be wearing a mask and following all the mandatory COVID19 protocols.
As to those bills you were waiting to go out and pay after quarantine, this virus has taught a lot more people about online bill payment systems. I was gradually evolving over the last few years, but during the lockdown it wasn't possible to go out to pay anything, so my list is now complete. One company has a slogan - why stand in line when you can pay online?6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Someone knocked loudly on my door this afternoon, going door to door with a clipboard and a mask that he immediately pulled down when he began speaking. I told him to stay back if he was going to do that (he had stepped off the porch before I opened the door but began walking toward me after he pulled the mask down).
I didn't listen to much of his spiel, as it started by implying he was from my electric utility when I don't think he was (different company name on his shirt -- I read all my bill inserts, so if it were an affiliate company, I think I would know). He also seemed to want to come inside for an energy audit -- no way if the first thing you do is take the mask off. Everybody who has come to house from various legit service companies (plumbing, heating system, etc.) since March has been very good about wearing masks the whole time. Scammers need to get their act together if they want their con(fidence) act to work.
On the upside, I'm finished with my quarantine after my exposure to someone who tested positive (we both wore our masks while we were talking together, outside, so I'm not surprised I never had any symptoms -- I didn't get tested, so I can't swear I wasn't infected). Going to head out to the post office in a bit with some bills I've been waiting to pay until my quarantine was over. Maybe I'll pick up some food while I'm out. Whoo-hoo, living large.
You handled that situation really well. I don't think that guy was genuine at all.
Recently had issues with our home phone. The company called to confirm the technician's visit time and assured us that he would be wearing a mask and following all the mandatory COVID19 protocols.
As to those bills you were waiting to go out and pay after quarantine, this virus has taught a lot more people about online bill payment systems. I was gradually evolving over the last few years, but during the lockdown it wasn't possible to go out to pay anything, so my list is now complete. One company has a slogan - why stand in line when you can pay online?
I pay most things online, but these two I used to go out of my way to pay in person on my way to work as an excuse to take an extra long walk. The last time I looked at their online payment site, they had really onerous user terms where you give up way too much in privacy and liability (both liability they ask you to assume and liability they ask you to relieve them of), plus fees for the privilege of paying online.
They send the paper bills really early, and even without extra exercise (since I'm WFH), it's nice to occasionally have an excuse to get out of the house, and the car does need to be taken out on the road occasionally to keep it in running condition. I've gone two and even three weeks between drives sometimes during the last seven months.1 -
How do you think that? Scofflaw?Theoldguy1 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Gotta love California. Our new guideline to get us through the holidays. Ha
Sorry had to Google since I thought it was internet BS.
So what is done if someone waves a middle finger at one or all of the guidelines?
Nothing. It's not enforceable. They're just hoping that people will see the guidelines and be more thoughtful and cautious this season. Maybe try to adhere somewhat to it. Better than putting out no guidance at all and people just think it's business as usual.
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For those who will have family/college kids staying with you over the holidays, how are preparing your homes?
We bought this last year for one daughter’s bedroom because she complained of allergies. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004VGIGVY
DH thinks it’s all placebo and actually does nothing. It purports to have UV radiation in addition to hepa filter. My dentist put them in all his exam rooms after reopening. I’m wondering if it would help to have one in each person’s room, just to minimize circulation of anything that they might exhale. When anyone in our family had to quarantine during the summer, they spent ALL their time in their room or outside. (With room service provided by moi.) we also worked on making outdoor spaces better for colder weather.
What do you guys think? Do the stand alone air filters make a difference?
Im also interested in how you’re preparing mentally.2 -
Yesterday it was reported here that some restaurants (Minnesota Twin Cities metro area) are voluntarily closing until Spring. Winter came early this year, and outside dining isn’t realistic, or desirable. It’s not economically feasible for many of them to stay open at such limited capacity. Covid is spiking here, as it is in so many places in our country. Positivity rate was at a little over 11% yesterday.
JW, for those in California, how, or even will, your state be enforcing their new guidelines? Do they think people will just follow them because it will slow the spread. How’s that working for masks and social distancing throughout the country. Apparently not well.4 -
Same here, missysippy. They've sent the task force out from D.C. to our hospitals, 500-700 new cases every day.
'Rona messes with your head even when you're not thinking about it. It's running in the background. My priorities have changed. The small things don't matter and don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. We've got more important things to do than worry our heads over things that will not matter two weeks from now.5 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »Same here, missysippy. They've sent the task force out from D.C. to our hospitals, 500-700 new cases every day.
'Rona messes with your head even when you're not thinking about it. It's running in the background. My priorities have changed. The small things don't matter and don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. We've got more important things to do than worry our heads over things that will not matter two weeks from now.
I'm with you hon. Italy's cases are skyrocketing and we're in a mini Lockdown. Yes, it's depressing if you dwell on it. My pool-fitness center closed, and I depended on it to get me through. I decided to mimic my program at home, substituting walk-jogging for swimming. This morning I got up early, pulled out a step stool, my elastic bands, broomstick, and two 5 lb water bottles (better than nothing). I did an hour, incorporating squats, and other exercises I've been wanting to try (sitting against a wall). It lifted my mood. Tomorrow I'll go for a jog around the piazza for an hour. Now if I could just lose 10lbs--there's always hope.
If the News continues to be bad, I may just pull the plug on the TV.15 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »Same here, missysippy. They've sent the task force out from D.C. to our hospitals, 500-700 new cases every day.
'Rona messes with your head even when you're not thinking about it. It's running in the background. My priorities have changed. The small things don't matter and don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. We've got more important things to do than worry our heads over things that will not matter two weeks from now.
If the News continues to be bad, I may just pull the plug on the TV.
Another good reason for pulling the plug on the tv here besides covid news, is political ads. It’s just too depressing. We all need more positivity. 2020 has been a very bad year.13 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Someone knocked loudly on my door this afternoon, going door to door with a clipboard and a mask that he immediately pulled down when he began speaking. I told him to stay back if he was going to do that (he had stepped off the porch before I opened the door but began walking toward me after he pulled the mask down).
I didn't listen to much of his spiel, as it started by implying he was from my electric utility when I don't think he was (different company name on his shirt -- I read all my bill inserts, so if it were an affiliate company, I think I would know). He also seemed to want to come inside for an energy audit -- no way if the first thing you do is take the mask off. Everybody who has come to house from various legit service companies (plumbing, heating system, etc.) since March has been very good about wearing masks the whole time. Scammers need to get their act together if they want their con(fidence) act to work.
On the upside, I'm finished with my quarantine after my exposure to someone who tested positive (we both wore our masks while we were talking together, outside, so I'm not surprised I never had any symptoms -- I didn't get tested, so I can't swear I wasn't infected). Going to head out to the post office in a bit with some bills I've been waiting to pay until my quarantine was over. Maybe I'll pick up some food while I'm out. Whoo-hoo, living large.
Legit utility person will show an ID first thing. To be honest if I didn't request someone, I don't waste time answering the door. Same with phone numbers I don't have on caller ID.7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »You are assuming that this virus was controllable. Viruses like sharks have been around longer than man and both seem to control the responses of man more than the other way around. It has been said from the get go this coming winter was going to be very hard but hopefully the experts are wrong. You are correct often the second and third waves are worse.
Out of the UK last week we heard Covid-19 may be with us for years to come. Keep in mind most of what we have heard since March 2020 has been filtered by non medical people.
We now understand the lack good health practices invites pandemics historically speaking.
It was. Several countries have done it/are doing it. But as the person above you said, it's too late for those that didn't get control of it early. The horse has well and truly bolted.
Will you please share the current Covid-19 stats for 3 of the several countries that you claim have done it/are doing it?
China has claimed the virus behind Covid-19 was the work of the USA and that may have some merit but most nations are pointing fingers towards mainland China. Assuming the virus did come from China once it was exported by plane directly to the USA west coast and to the east coast way of Italy medically speaking Covid-19 was not controllable in the USA or other countries period.
Today in the USA alone we are certain millions are walking around spreading the virus with no outward symptoms. A killer virus that can hide undetected by outward signs in infected humans is NOT controllable period. It can be Managed but not Controlled.
You are correct, managed is what I was meaning.
FWIW, New Zealand's current cases (as of yesterday). That one new case is someone in Managed Isolation (ie someone who has just arrived from overseas and is in mandatory MIQ for 14 days - yes, we have the audacity to confine anyone coming into the country to a 4/5 star hotel for a couple of weeks after arrival). The current community cases stem from someone who does some sort of repair work or something on ships, who contracted it on a ship they worked on recently, and close contacts of that person:
Australia is also doing well. The state of Victoria had a nasty re-emergence starting a few months back, and have just now come out of a very strict 12 week lockdown to get that under control (which they have).
Yes, both of these countries are islands. So's the UK. We most certainly had some advantages, but mostly our success in managing the pandemic was down to swift and decisive action by our leaders.
Yes!! I love the New Zealand model. I have a relative living there, so get a few updates on how well it has worked for them.
New Zealand made the right decision very early on of being an island.10 -
For those who will have family/college kids staying with you over the holidays, how are preparing your homes?
We bought this last year for one daughter’s bedroom because she complained of allergies. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004VGIGVY
DH thinks it’s all placebo and actually does nothing. It purports to have UV radiation in addition to hepa filter. My dentist put them in all his exam rooms after reopening. I’m wondering if it would help to have one in each person’s room, just to minimize circulation of anything that they might exhale. When anyone in our family had to quarantine during the summer, they spent ALL their time in their room or outside. (With room service provided by moi.) we also worked on making outdoor spaces better for colder weather.
What do you guys think? Do the stand alone air filters make a difference?
Im also interested in how you’re preparing mentally.
I'm interested in the answers about air filters. I've been hearing about them being used in schools, etc.
I was very sick with chemical sensitivity 20 years ago and bought two very expensive ones, which may have helped with chemicals, but I also developed noise sensitivity and could not stand the fan noise
I found one when I was cleaning out Mom's barn and was wondering if I should hang on to it and if I can get a filter for it that would do something for the coronavirus, but can't imagine a situation where I'd actually use it - we're just spending the holidays with my mother and brother, with whom we've been maskless around this whole time (and we are not out in the world much at all.)0 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »'Rona messes with your head even when you're not thinking about it. It's running in the background. My priorities have changed. The small things don't matter and don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. We've got more important things to do than worry our heads over things that will not matter two weeks from now.
QFT.
"Running in the background" is so true.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »For those who will have family/college kids staying with you over the holidays, how are preparing your homes?
We bought this last year for one daughter’s bedroom because she complained of allergies. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004VGIGVY
DH thinks it’s all placebo and actually does nothing. It purports to have UV radiation in addition to hepa filter. My dentist put them in all his exam rooms after reopening. I’m wondering if it would help to have one in each person’s room, just to minimize circulation of anything that they might exhale. When anyone in our family had to quarantine during the summer, they spent ALL their time in their room or outside. (With room service provided by moi.) we also worked on making outdoor spaces better for colder weather.
What do you guys think? Do the stand alone air filters make a difference?
Im also interested in how you’re preparing mentally.
I'm interested in the answers about air filters. I've been hearing about them being used in schools, etc.
I was very sick with chemical sensitivity 20 years ago and bought two very expensive ones, which may have helped with chemicals, but I also developed noise sensitivity and could not stand the fan noise
I found one when I was cleaning out Mom's barn and was wondering if I should hang on to it and if I can get a filter for it that would do something for the coronavirus, but can't imagine a situation where I'd actually use it - we're just spending the holidays with my mother and brother, with whom we've been maskless around this whole time (and we are not out in the world much at all.)
My understanding is the filter isn't effective on viral particles but the UV radiation is. I would not like the fan noise, either, but my daughters learned to prefer white noise for sleep when they lived in dorms. I hope your holidays are nice with your small crew. :flowerforyou:1 -
Question about COVID risk assessment...
I have an opportunity to be an Election Judge on Tuesday. Indoors all day, and I would be wearing a mask, but masks can't be mandated for voters, and there can't be health checks/temperature screenings. Social distancing would be encouraged, but I imagine if you're helping someone with a voting machine, there's only so much you can do to stay 6 feet apart.
I live in an area where mask-wearing is very common and expected everywhere, so I doubt there would be many (if any) un-masked people there to vote. I am not in a high-risk group, but I have family members (not in my household) who are. I guess I'm most worried about the length of time in an indoor space with potentially thousands of different people. Our COVID positivity rates have been spiking in the last few weeks.
It's a dilemma for me, because I want very much to do what I can to help people vote. But, I'm also very nervous about the risks.
I'll obviously have to make my own best decision on this, but just curious as to what you all would do.10 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Question about COVID risk assessment...
I have an opportunity to be an Election Judge on Tuesday. Indoors all day, and I would be wearing a mask, but masks can't be mandated for voters, and there can't be health checks/temperature screenings. Social distancing would be encouraged, but I imagine if you're helping someone with a voting machine, there's only so much you can do to stay 6 feet apart.
I live in an area where mask-wearing is very common and expected everywhere, so I doubt there would be many (if any) un-masked people there to vote. I am not in a high-risk group, but I have family members (not in my household) who are. I guess I'm most worried about the length of time in an indoor space with potentially thousands of different people. Our COVID positivity rates have been spiking in the last few weeks.
It's a dilemma for me, because I want very much to do what I can to help people vote. But, I'm also very nervous about the risks.
I'll obviously have to make my own best decision on this, but just curious as to what you all would do.
This would personally be too much risk for me, but I can also see the value in helping others vote and I wouldn't think someone else was being foolhardy if their priorities led them to make a different call.4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Question about COVID risk assessment...
I have an opportunity to be an Election Judge on Tuesday. Indoors all day, and I would be wearing a mask, but masks can't be mandated for voters, and there can't be health checks/temperature screenings. Social distancing would be encouraged, but I imagine if you're helping someone with a voting machine, there's only so much you can do to stay 6 feet apart.
I live in an area where mask-wearing is very common and expected everywhere, so I doubt there would be many (if any) un-masked people there to vote. I am not in a high-risk group, but I have family members (not in my household) who are. I guess I'm most worried about the length of time in an indoor space with potentially thousands of different people. Our COVID positivity rates have been spiking in the last few weeks.
It's a dilemma for me, because I want very much to do what I can to help people vote. But, I'm also very nervous about the risks.
I'll obviously have to make my own best decision on this, but just curious as to what you all would do.
I would do it. I actually was thinking seriously about doing it, but ended up having a work conflict on Tuesday.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Question about COVID risk assessment...
I have an opportunity to be an Election Judge on Tuesday. Indoors all day, and I would be wearing a mask, but masks can't be mandated for voters, and there can't be health checks/temperature screenings. Social distancing would be encouraged, but I imagine if you're helping someone with a voting machine, there's only so much you can do to stay 6 feet apart.
I live in an area where mask-wearing is very common and expected everywhere, so I doubt there would be many (if any) un-masked people there to vote. I am not in a high-risk group, but I have family members (not in my household) who are. I guess I'm most worried about the length of time in an indoor space with potentially thousands of different people. Our COVID positivity rates have been spiking in the last few weeks.
It's a dilemma for me, because I want very much to do what I can to help people vote. But, I'm also very nervous about the risks.
I'll obviously have to make my own best decision on this, but just curious as to what you all would do.
Personally, I wouldn't do it... but I'm in a high risk group medically. If I wasn't, I would probably see if I could find a mask that is N95 to wear for my protection and then put a fashionable cloth mask over it for additional good measure and appearance.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Question about COVID risk assessment...
I have an opportunity to be an Election Judge on Tuesday. Indoors all day, and I would be wearing a mask, but masks can't be mandated for voters, and there can't be health checks/temperature screenings. Social distancing would be encouraged, but I imagine if you're helping someone with a voting machine, there's only so much you can do to stay 6 feet apart.
I live in an area where mask-wearing is very common and expected everywhere, so I doubt there would be many (if any) un-masked people there to vote. I am not in a high-risk group, but I have family members (not in my household) who are. I guess I'm most worried about the length of time in an indoor space with potentially thousands of different people. Our COVID positivity rates have been spiking in the last few weeks.
It's a dilemma for me, because I want very much to do what I can to help people vote. But, I'm also very nervous about the risks.
I'll obviously have to make my own best decision on this, but just curious as to what you all would do.
I normally do this every year for the past almost 20 years. This year will be a no for me. The risks outweigh the benefits for me. Not only because of covid but anything else that might pop off.3 -
I would not do it-- either- I am in the age risk category for CoVid and too many people ignore the risk to others-. Maybe next year but not this time-- too many hours in an enclosed building esp. if you don't know about the ventilation of the building1
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I would do it if I just had myself to worry about. I thought about volunteering when I heard that there were concerns about having enough election volunteers. However, with a high risk spouse, I have to be cautious.1
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