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Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »PSA for all those who are WFH and hoping to do it at least part time long term, for the love of all that is good, get yourself (whether employer pays or your do) a real desk (preferably height adjustable to allow standing), monitor, external keyboard and mouse. And learn how to adjust all of it for proper position.
As a long term office worker I've had numerous orthopedic injuries/surgeries the doctor can trace back to poor office ergonomics even though the company I work for has always bought high end Steelcase office furniture.
She looks all happy now but this position is beating the hell out of her body and setting her up for a bunch of problems.
Hope the disagree on this post was an accidental scroll-by, because the post itself is so true. I worked in IT. Our department had multiple people developing cumulative-stress pain & injuries from office work, until we trained a smart staff member in ergonomic office set-up, and empowered her to order what people needed and help put it in place. Pretty soon, we stopped seeing the wrist braces, new workers' comp claims, and other signs of employee injury/distress. Big payoff for everyone.
As you know Ann, I do a ton of indoor rowing. I've had disk issues for nearly two years now. I'm battling through them, but how it started was a terrible desk chair. When I moved last year and put it back together, I noticed then that the cushion of it on the bottom was uneven. I had never had a problem with the thoracic area of my spine before. At first I thought rowing was to blame, but after noticing how I was askew at my desk, the chair had a lot more to do with my disc. It's mostly better now, but I will never buy the cheapest chair again. An exercise ball is a great alternative to a cheap desk chair, if someone can't afford a decent ergonomic chair.
I think my present one, which is great, was like $150. That's about as cheap as you can find a decent one.
Chair is a important but I still had back issues with Steelcase desk chairs that were $800 each when my company was buying 100s at at time when redoing offices. To me it was just the 8-10 hours a day locked in one position.
If one thinks about it the time spend in a poor posture 8-10 hours a day is most likely going to have a bigger impact on how the body feels vs 1-2 hours of exercise.
That's why I firmly believe in the importance of movement. Need to try and counteract the modern lifestyle.
This is from both memory and relative ignorance, but (while we did buy a bunch of better chairs), some of the more effective changes our department made were cheaper: Keyboard trays, monitor stands, and (a biggie) just getting all the parts in the right alignment with the person's body, in a 3D kind of way. Of course, this was in an office so everyone already had desk-equivalents (cubicle stuff, so the main work surfaces were height-adjustable . . . but if your monitor and keyboard and mouse are all sitting on the same surface, there's probably already a problem).
Laptops or tablets are kind of inherently a problem, I think, putting at least one aspect in the wrong place at all times. (Less so if not key/gesture controlled.)
In the past, I've MacGyver-ed some set-up at home using items around the house as monitor risers or keyboard surfaces, to improve my own situation when I was using the computer a lot.
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Imma post this here, after putting it on another thread. I've seen comments in various threads about masks getting soggy with long wear, getting sucked into mouth/nose, etc. One of my friends gave me this thing she bought (I think) on Amazon (in a multi-pack, not expensive) that she found helpful for that. I haven't tried it yet myself. (I stuck the automatic pencil underneath so the size/shape would be a little more understandable. "Mask bracket" "mask cup" "mask cage" maybe?
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I was at the laundromat last night and went to use a dryer after it had become available (the only one available in that type/size). People were still nearby taking clothes from other dryers, so I asked if they were done. They said they were. I started pulling their trash out - dryer sheets and cough drop wrappers. The mom asked if there was stuff in it yet and I said it was just trash. She took it and said "Must be from her pockets." Probably referring to teenage daughter. I went on, but then thought a few min. later... are they using cough drops to hide symptoms? I wouldguess it possible in a paucisymptomatic / mild case. They weren't wearing masks either. I used hand sanitizer, and hope I am wrong. I know normal colds are still a thing, but is concerning nonetheless.13
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I don’t know what it is about laundromats. My daughter says there are a lot of unmasked people there when she goes too. As far as cough drops go, my mother and husband have them all the time. I guess it helps with dry mouth issues. 🤷🏻♀️5
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A moment of dark irony in an interview I heard today**: One factor that has speeded Covid vaccine development is that some countries have done an execrable job of containing the virus. (US is the poster child, of course.) If everywhere were controlling well (like Australia, for one), the phase 3 trials would take longer.
Why? The more rampant the viral infections in the population, the faster evidence accumulates that there's a difference in the vaccinated vs. placebo arms of the trial, because more people are getting exposed/sick, rolling up the evidentiary case counts among trial participants.
I assume it's an extra plus (for the trials' speed, not for the country) that it's running rampant in a developed country, with more resources for keeping track of trial participants and that sort of thing.
** It was a good interview, diverse topics related to the virus. NPR's "Fresh Air" program, interviewing Ed Yong, a science journalist from The Atlantic who's been covering the pandemic long term. Full interview audio, text summary: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/17/947094492/without-resources-vaccine-rollout-could-fall-at-the-last-hurdle-journalist-says9 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I was at the laundromat last night and went to use a dryer after it had become available (the only one available in that type/size). People were still nearby taking clothes from other dryers, so I asked if they were done. They said they were. I started pulling their trash out - dryer sheets and cough drop wrappers. The mom asked if there was stuff in it yet and I said it was just trash. She took it and said "Must be from her pockets." Probably referring to teenage daughter. I went on, but then thought a few min. later... are they using cough drops to hide symptoms? I wouldguess it possible in a paucisymptomatic / mild case. They weren't wearing masks either. I used hand sanitizer, and hope I am wrong. I know normal colds are still a thing, but is concerning nonetheless.
Covid hates soap and hopefully the trash had gone through the wash before being put in the dryer. Still, yuck!6 -
A moment of dark irony in an interview I heard today**: One factor that has speeded Covid vaccine development is that some countries have done an execrable job of containing the virus. (US is the poster child, of course.) If everywhere were controlling well (like Australia, for one), the phase 3 trials would take longer.
Why? The more rampant the viral infections in the population, the faster evidence accumulates that there's a difference in the vaccinated vs. placebo arms of the trial, because more people are getting exposed/sick, rolling up the evidentiary case counts among trial participants.
I assume it's an extra plus (for the trials' speed, not for the country) that it's running rampant in a developed country, with more resources for keeping track of trial participants and that sort of thing.
** It was a good interview, diverse topics related to the virus. NPR's "Fresh Air" program, interviewing Ed Yong, a science journalist from The Atlantic who's been covering the pandemic long term. Full interview audio, text summary: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/17/947094492/without-resources-vaccine-rollout-could-fall-at-the-last-hurdle-journalist-says
Back in early summer, I read a couple of articles stating that the British trials were in trouble because the number of cases had dropped so much they couldn't be sure of sufficient exposure. With the second wave, hopefully enough of the vaccinated got exposed to the virus to show effectiveness. I can see why it would be a problem. How can they know a vaccine is 95% effective if there aren't many cases in the community? Ethics doesn't permit the researchers to deliberately expose people to a virus that might kill them or have long term consequences, so they have to rely on community spread.3 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »A moment of dark irony in an interview I heard today**: One factor that has speeded Covid vaccine development is that some countries have done an execrable job of containing the virus. (US is the poster child, of course.) If everywhere were controlling well (like Australia, for one), the phase 3 trials would take longer.
Why? The more rampant the viral infections in the population, the faster evidence accumulates that there's a difference in the vaccinated vs. placebo arms of the trial, because more people are getting exposed/sick, rolling up the evidentiary case counts among trial participants.
I assume it's an extra plus (for the trials' speed, not for the country) that it's running rampant in a developed country, with more resources for keeping track of trial participants and that sort of thing.
** It was a good interview, diverse topics related to the virus. NPR's "Fresh Air" program, interviewing Ed Yong, a science journalist from The Atlantic who's been covering the pandemic long term. Full interview audio, text summary: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/17/947094492/without-resources-vaccine-rollout-could-fall-at-the-last-hurdle-journalist-says
Back in early summer, I read a couple of articles stating that the British trials were in trouble because the number of cases had dropped so much they couldn't be sure of sufficient exposure. With the second wave, hopefully enough of the vaccinated got exposed to the virus to show effectiveness. I can see why it would be a problem. How can they know a vaccine is 95% effective if there aren't many cases in the community? Ethics doesn't permit the researchers to deliberately expose people to a virus that might kill them or have long term consequences, so they have to rely on community spread.
Actually, ethics does allow that, with informed consent, as I understand it, though it's controversial. They're called "challenge trials". Random article about it, from a non-whack-a-doo source:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02821-45 -
kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »My company is taking surveys about how we would feel WFH 3 days/wk, in office for two, but no assigned cubes. (i.e. you just get assigned one on the two days you're in).
I'm all for that. I work more from home without the 45 min commute each way.
My company has tossed around a similar possibility and I have to say, the thought of sitting at a desk that some other random person sat at the day before makes me gag. There's the in-office nail clippers, the people that eat all kinds of greasy or crumbly food at their desks, etc. There are not enough sanitizing wipes in the world to make me comfortable 😷
So you never use public transportation?
I haven't since March 16 (I remember since it was a Monday after the week in which covid gradually became the biggest thing, and immediately after the St Patrick's Day observed weekend when lots of people locally were acting like complete idiots in the bars). After I got to work that day, I was "am I crazy." I rode it home that night (the L, brown line) and it was already pretty much empty (had been that morning too), and drove to work the next three days (worked from home on that Friday). Since then, I've driven every time I've come into the office or gone somewhere I would ordinarily take public transit since (unless close enough to walk).
Personally, though, pre covid, it never bothered me (some lines were cleaner than others), but it's also a limited time and IME you don't feel like it's yours so you are touching things in the way I do when sitting in my office. It is likely irrational, but I'd really hate having a communal desk. (Probably not likely, but I do think there will be a movement to reduce/consolidate office space after this, and to let people work more from home. I like the flexibility, but I miss working in the office with my co workers a lot, and still do about once a week (was doing it more before the cases spiked up again). However, I also do like that it takes me no time to get to work. Back in the day even the L was faster than commuting, but now driving is way faster. Parking would be too expensive to be worth it if my employer weren't currently paying, however.)Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »My company is taking surveys about how we would feel WFH 3 days/wk, in office for two, but no assigned cubes. (i.e. you just get assigned one on the two days you're in).
I'm all for that. I work more from home without the 45 min commute each way.
My company has tossed around a similar possibility and I have to say, the thought of sitting at a desk that some other random person sat at the day before makes me gag. There's the in-office nail clippers, the people that eat all kinds of greasy or crumbly food at their desks, etc. There are not enough sanitizing wipes in the world to make me comfortable 😷
So you never use public transportation?
Nope, owned my own car since the age of 16. I've never lived in an area where public transport was a big thing.
I'm in the same situation with car since 16. We have public transit were I live now but have never been on it. Have been on subways, etc. on trips to larger cities as well as planes, airport and other shuttles. Those are dirty as all get our but I just suck it up and figure I'm building my immune system.
They were redoing some of our offices before 'rona and in the new designs nobody had an assigned area (except for a small locker) with typically working there 5 days a week. You just came in and sat down in an open slot.
...I find the discussion about working from home being distracting interesting, because in my experience it’s the opposite. I work as a video game artist and being in an office meant everyone was always hanging out together or gaming or eating, when it wasn’t time for a pointless meeting. Working from home, you do what needs done to meet the deadline in a focused fashion, then the rest of your time is your own.
Yes, I found my coworkers FAR more distracting when I was in the same building with them as opposed to 1,000 + miles away.
ITA. In office, I spent at least an hour a day with someone standing in my office doorway rambling on about something I did not need to know. Not to mention people having loud conversations, smelling their food. I get more sleep now too, minus the commute, so I get more done in the AM than I used to. I intend to ask to WFH at least a day or two a week when the apocalypse is over.
To be fair, I'm 100% an introvert, and have no trouble focusing and ignoring the world when I'm by myself
@kimny72
When asked "What will you miss about 2020?" one person responded they will miss having the ability to mute their colleagues.
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From what I understand, trials of the vaccine in the UK would have taken so long to show much so because this is a big international effort many of the trials were carried off shore. I think some may well have taken place in Brazil, though it may well have been somewhere else in the southern Americas. It was somewhere where the cases and "R" number and cases were much higher than our own.3
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Well, my best friend has had a potential exposure again. Her roommate had a close exposure at work with 2 coworkers testing positive. So my friend is now waiting to hear from her job on what they want her to do and we have canceled our plans for Yule. The roommate is going to get tested Sunday (soonest she can get in) and we were having dinner Tuesday so the odds of results coming back in time are slim (I would need to know by Monday evening for meal prep).
We will still exchange gifts on Tuesday. I will drive over to her house and she will put my gift on the front step. I will leave hers and grab mine, then go back to my car so she can grab her's.
Just so frustrated. That dinner was going to be my only holiday celebration. My depression has already been really bad due to Covid and the holidays. This is just like one more thing to bring me down.25 -
Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.22
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It's a mess snowflake so you can't be mad, they are trying to keep you all safe. You have to do what needs to be done. I'm mad too because I have flyer points to use and can't but that is my fault watching bloggers on Positano. So beautiful. At least I've already been once. You have your close family with you at least. Big hugs. They still get to eat your lovely food too! You are the best food photographer honestly.
Athijade, if there is anything I can do let me know. Please don't be down. This will be all over soon. Just remember that.
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kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »My company is taking surveys about how we would feel WFH 3 days/wk, in office for two, but no assigned cubes. (i.e. you just get assigned one on the two days you're in).
I'm all for that. I work more from home without the 45 min commute each way.
My company has tossed around a similar possibility and I have to say, the thought of sitting at a desk that some other random person sat at the day before makes me gag. There's the in-office nail clippers, the people that eat all kinds of greasy or crumbly food at their desks, etc. There are not enough sanitizing wipes in the world to make me comfortable 😷
So you never use public transportation?
I haven't since March 16 (I remember since it was a Monday after the week in which covid gradually became the biggest thing, and immediately after the St Patrick's Day observed weekend when lots of people locally were acting like complete idiots in the bars). After I got to work that day, I was "am I crazy." I rode it home that night (the L, brown line) and it was already pretty much empty (had been that morning too), and drove to work the next three days (worked from home on that Friday). Since then, I've driven every time I've come into the office or gone somewhere I would ordinarily take public transit since (unless close enough to walk).
Personally, though, pre covid, it never bothered me (some lines were cleaner than others), but it's also a limited time and IME you don't feel like it's yours so you are touching things in the way I do when sitting in my office. It is likely irrational, but I'd really hate having a communal desk. (Probably not likely, but I do think there will be a movement to reduce/consolidate office space after this, and to let people work more from home. I like the flexibility, but I miss working in the office with my co workers a lot, and still do about once a week (was doing it more before the cases spiked up again). However, I also do like that it takes me no time to get to work. Back in the day even the L was faster than commuting, but now driving is way faster. Parking would be too expensive to be worth it if my employer weren't currently paying, however.)Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »My company is taking surveys about how we would feel WFH 3 days/wk, in office for two, but no assigned cubes. (i.e. you just get assigned one on the two days you're in).
I'm all for that. I work more from home without the 45 min commute each way.
My company has tossed around a similar possibility and I have to say, the thought of sitting at a desk that some other random person sat at the day before makes me gag. There's the in-office nail clippers, the people that eat all kinds of greasy or crumbly food at their desks, etc. There are not enough sanitizing wipes in the world to make me comfortable 😷
So you never use public transportation?
Nope, owned my own car since the age of 16. I've never lived in an area where public transport was a big thing.
I'm in the same situation with car since 16. We have public transit were I live now but have never been on it. Have been on subways, etc. on trips to larger cities as well as planes, airport and other shuttles. Those are dirty as all get our but I just suck it up and figure I'm building my immune system.
They were redoing some of our offices before 'rona and in the new designs nobody had an assigned area (except for a small locker) with typically working there 5 days a week. You just came in and sat down in an open slot.
...I find the discussion about working from home being distracting interesting, because in my experience it’s the opposite. I work as a video game artist and being in an office meant everyone was always hanging out together or gaming or eating, when it wasn’t time for a pointless meeting. Working from home, you do what needs done to meet the deadline in a focused fashion, then the rest of your time is your own.
Yes, I found my coworkers FAR more distracting when I was in the same building with them as opposed to 1,000 + miles away.
ITA. In office, I spent at least an hour a day with someone standing in my office doorway rambling on about something I did not need to know. Not to mention people having loud conversations, smelling their food. I get more sleep now too, minus the commute, so I get more done in the AM than I used to. I intend to ask to WFH at least a day or two a week when the apocalypse is over.
To be fair, I'm 100% an introvert, and have no trouble focusing and ignoring the world when I'm by myself
@kimny72
When asked "What will you miss about 2020?" one person responded they will miss having the ability to mute their colleagues.
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So I'm listening to This Week in Virology and they said Moderna in their trial did a nasal swab several days after giving the first shot. Since the virus is spread mostly through respiratory droplets, testing for evidence of the virus by nasal swab is considered a good way to test for infectiousness (If you don't have viral particles in your nose, you probably aren't expelling viral particles when you breath or talk). And Moderna's initial data suggests that after just the first shot, the vaccine did partially reduce infectiousness, not just disease. They stressed again this is limited data, and there was no data on this for after the second shot, but they still see hope that the mRNA vaccines will at least reduce infectiousness somewhat.16
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snowflake954 wrote: »Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.
Those date ranges seem a little counterproductive, I'd think that would mean everyone would mob the shops on Dec 28th and Jan 4th whether they needed to or not, just to get out of captivity. At the very least, people will be saving their errands for "legal" days.2 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.
Those date ranges seem a little counterproductive, I'd think that would mean everyone would mob the shops on Dec 28th and Jan 4th whether they needed to or not, just to get out of captivity. At the very least, people will be saving their errands for "legal" days.
I suspect the first two (Christmas and New Year) are designed to discourage large gatherings for those events.3 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.
Those date ranges seem a little counterproductive, I'd think that would mean everyone would mob the shops on Dec 28th and Jan 4th whether they needed to or not, just to get out of captivity. At the very least, people will be saving their errands for "legal" days.
That's true, but our "legal days" are still strict, and have been for 2 months. What makes me mad is that we're paying for the people who aren't careful enough. There are crowds shopping, in outside bars, etc and are too close together. The great exodus North to South has started. People have to get tested before moving, because there will be check points on the freeways, train stations, and airports. Sigh.
I'm venting, because it means I'll be locked up cooking for everyone--Christmas Eve (fish), Christmas Day, St Stephen's (26th), New Years Eve, New Years Day, and Ephifany. All big holidays here (Italy) with lots of traditional food. I can't even go for a walk in the afternoons, or take a break in a coffee shop with a cappuccino. My son and wife and little kiddies (live across the landing) will be here since she can't be with her parents part of the time (they live outside Rome and the rules say everyone stays home). That means cooking for 6 adults for all these meals. Tomorrow is also my birthday. I'll be 66, great birthday present.24 -
snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.
Those date ranges seem a little counterproductive, I'd think that would mean everyone would mob the shops on Dec 28th and Jan 4th whether they needed to or not, just to get out of captivity. At the very least, people will be saving their errands for "legal" days.
That's true, but our "legal days" are still strict, and have been for 2 months. What makes me mad is that we're paying for the people who aren't careful enough. There are crowds shopping, in outside bars, etc and are too close together. The great exodus North to South has started. People have to get tested before moving, because there will be check points on the freeways, train stations, and airports. Sigh.
I'm venting, because it means I'll be locked up cooking for everyone--Christmas Eve (fish), Christmas Day, St Stephen's (26th), New Years Eve, New Years Day, and Ephifany. All big holidays here (Italy) with lots of traditional food. I can't even go for a walk in the afternoons, or take a break in a coffee shop with a cappuccino. My son and wife and little kiddies (live across the landing) will be here since she can't be with her parents part of the time (they live outside Rome and the rules say everyone stays home). That means cooking for 6 adults for all these meals. Tomorrow is also my birthday. I'll be 66, great birthday present.
Wow.. thats a lot of cooking.
Happy birthday for tomorrow, I hope the family helps and gives you a little break 🙂5 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.
Those date ranges seem a little counterproductive, I'd think that would mean everyone would mob the shops on Dec 28th and Jan 4th whether they needed to or not, just to get out of captivity. At the very least, people will be saving their errands for "legal" days.
I suspect the first two (Christmas and New Year) are designed to discourage large gatherings for those events.
I agree with this. Our governor (Minnesota) is opening a few things up, but holding off on others until after the new year. Restaurants are opening today for outside dining only if the temperature is above 27F. Gyms @ 25% capacity or limited to 100 persons in larger gyms. Gatherings limited to 2 families if indoors, 3 families if outdoors. I’m pretty sure it’s to get us through the New Year without any new surge. This is Minnesota. I’ve never heard of people celebrating Christmas or dining outside in the winter. It’s been unseasonably nice here. We got a dusting of snow last night. but, still, JMHO, not warm enough to dine outside or celebrate outside. 🤷🏻♀️ No changes in our plans for Christmas or new year’s from months ago. It’s frustrating, but hoping for a better 2021.
Also, as with most states, an issue of not receiving allotments of the vaccine that were supposed to be here. Looks like it will be a long process.2 -
@Snowflake Happy Birthday to you; try to remember this too shall pass. With luck, faith, and good science, it'll get better. Oh AND better compliance by all!!!!
I am completely with you on your statement about paying for the people who aren't being careful.
This year will be our 1st ever that none of our kids will be here with us during the holidays. There have always been a good-sized gathering for Christmas; this year i's dh and myself.:( Yet I keep hearing about other families that are still living life like usual, and have ever since this whole thing began. So yes, I totally get it and it makes me angry, bitter and resentful. But what are you gonna do? 10 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.
Those date ranges seem a little counterproductive, I'd think that would mean everyone would mob the shops on Dec 28th and Jan 4th whether they needed to or not, just to get out of captivity. At the very least, people will be saving their errands for "legal" days.
That's true, but our "legal days" are still strict, and have been for 2 months. What makes me mad is that we're paying for the people who aren't careful enough. There are crowds shopping, in outside bars, etc and are too close together. The great exodus North to South has started. People have to get tested before moving, because there will be check points on the freeways, train stations, and airports. Sigh.
I'm venting, because it means I'll be locked up cooking for everyone--Christmas Eve (fish), Christmas Day, St Stephen's (26th), New Years Eve, New Years Day, and Ephifany. All big holidays here (Italy) with lots of traditional food. I can't even go for a walk in the afternoons, or take a break in a coffee shop with a cappuccino. My son and wife and little kiddies (live across the landing) will be here since she can't be with her parents part of the time (they live outside Rome and the rules say everyone stays home). That means cooking for 6 adults for all these meals. Tomorrow is also my birthday. I'll be 66, great birthday present.
Sorry reality check. Sounds like you will be able to be with family for the holidays and your birthday, if you really don't want them I'm sure nobody is holding a gun to your head to have them over. Many would love to be able to see family for the holidays (this year especially or any year for that matter), it's a fantastic birthday present. Count your blessings and happy birthday.
This is a good reminder. It sounds like you will have a hectic and stressful time with all the cooking and I don't diminish that, but perhaps it will help to focus on the fact that it's a blessing to have time with family in the current circumstances. This year I too won't see anyone between now and January, no family nor friends, for the first time ever. In fact, I have only seen my parents once this year and I miss them. Focussing on the good might help you enjoy it all through the hard work. Happy birthday!!10 -
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Happy birthday 🎂!
I hope your family in Minnesota are doing well🙏🏻. It has to be worrying for you. Know that things are improving here somewhat. Our governor is a good man, who truly has our safety and wellness at heart.
Hang in there. You’ve been a voice of reason through this all for many here, from the beginning. Many of us appreciate it so much!
It IS disheartening, to see others so lackadaisical, when most are following guidelines. It’s sad too.10 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Tomorrow is also my birthday. I'll be 66, great birthday present.
Happy birthday! Sorry about all the cooking, the other adults should be pitching in with that.10 -
Snowflake - Happy Birthday! Can you ask your DIL to cook every other meal instead of making you do it all? Or just say that you will prepare one meal for the whole family, and for every other meal they are on their own?
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snowflake954 wrote: »Tomorrow is also my birthday. I'll be 66, great birthday present.
Happy birthday at least!
Can you ask your DIL to pick up some of the cooking? Or other members of your family? You shouldn't need to be responsible for all of that and no one should expect you to be.
Went grocery shopping this morning. The only time I plan to leave the house the rest of the week is to drop off gifts. Even just shopping wore me out. Ordering pizza tonight for dinner which should last me a few days. Got a nice bone in ribeye for Yule since it is just me now.
Just feeling really lonely. I live alone with my 2 cats. I work from home. Holidays are already hard for me (all my grandparents and both my parents have passed away... I am not even 40 yet). Adding in the fact I am so closed off from any personal contact and my depression is just really bad right now. Right now my focus is to try and take care of myself and make it through the next week.
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snowflake954 wrote: »Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.
I'd be mad too...sounds like the Gestapo to me.5 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Tomorrow is also my birthday. I'll be 66, great birthday present.
Happy birthday at least!
Can you ask your DIL to pick up some of the cooking? Or other members of your family? You shouldn't need to be responsible for all of that and no one should expect you to be.
Went grocery shopping this morning. The only time I plan to leave the house the rest of the week is to drop off gifts. Even just shopping wore me out. Ordering pizza tonight for dinner which should last me a few days. Got a nice bone in ribeye for Yule since it is just me now.
Just feeling really lonely. I live alone with my 2 cats. I work from home. Holidays are already hard for me (all my grandparents and both my parents have passed away... I am not even 40 yet). Adding in the fact I am so closed off from any personal contact and my depression is just really bad right now. Right now my focus is to try and take care of myself and make it through the next week.snowflake954 wrote: »Tomorrow is also my birthday. I'll be 66, great birthday present.
Happy birthday at least!
Can you ask your DIL to pick up some of the cooking? Or other members of your family? You shouldn't need to be responsible for all of that and no one should expect you to be.
Went grocery shopping this morning. The only time I plan to leave the house the rest of the week is to drop off gifts. Even just shopping wore me out. Ordering pizza tonight for dinner which should last me a few days. Got a nice bone in ribeye for Yule since it is just me now.
Just feeling really lonely. I live alone with my 2 cats. I work from home. Holidays are already hard for me (all my grandparents and both my parents have passed away... I am not even 40 yet). Adding in the fact I am so closed off from any personal contact and my depression is just really bad right now. Right now my focus is to try and take care of myself and make it through the next week.
If you’re in SE Minnesota or Western Wisconsin you’re invited. It’s just DD, DH & me. We can have two families over. Daughter is 36, so about your age.
I’m totally serious. No covid so far. Daughter has been working from home for 3 years. She’s lonely, and a little depressed. I worry so about my only chick.11 -
UK, rules have changed, London and the south east have a new level 4 because of the variant virus. Easing of restrictions there and elsewhere have been dropped too. There is probably more.................6
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My son and his girlfriend were both vaccinated yesterday at the hospital where they work. No problems so far.18
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