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On the plus side, for her doctor's appointments - they have stopped overbooking and now she can get in and out. But now I'm aware of the issue of medical overbooking and will be very annoyed by it when it starts happening again. I've been really enjoying all these mostly empty waiting rooms for my own medical issues.
Not sure where you live.
In Australia, waiting rooms are less full than they used to be because Medicare has approved phone consults, I think until the end of March, at this stage.
The bookings are not any less full, just many of the patients are not physically in the surgery.6 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Genuine question here, this is not directed at anyone but is something I’ve thought about when the subject of ‘children falling behind with schooling’ comes up.
Who exactly are they ‘falling behind’? The virus impacts their whole peer group not just a select few. If they’re all effected by either school closures, home schooling, online learning, limited contact teaching or whatever measures are in place where they live, then they’re all equally disadvantaged.
An entire generation world wide is in the same situation, so it’s not as if when it comes to finding their place in the world when they leave education they’ll be up against their peers who had a different experience.
Unless by then we’ve been invaded by people from other planets where COVID didn’t exist! 😂
The thing is the kids are not in the same situation.
Student A:
Some kids are internally motivated and do all their assigned work, plus study for AP tests and train for their sport or their school music which they hope to participate in when safe. Some kids have supportive parents, that help them in any way they can to make sure they get their stuff done. These kids have a crappy situation but probably not falling behind in school
Student B:
Then there are kids with no motivation that don't log on and don't do their work, just play on the phone, video game, etc, no parent support.
Now the Student B kids probably weren't the star students to start off, but I would guess they are suffering more than the Student A type as far as getting an education. I.e., the bottom is getting lower.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
I think there was a couple of us...I was one. It wasn't so much that I had never heard a two weeks statement, it was more to the point that even with that two weeks, there was a much longer phased opening plan...so I guess I never heard 2 weeks and then we're done and back to normal pre-COVID. Most of what I heard on national news from the beginning was that we would be in a long period of restrictions...easing of restrictions...tightening of restrictions again, etc until a vaccine was not only available, but widely distributed. My assumption from the beginning was that we'd be living this well into 2021...maybe that's why I'm not as frustrated with things as some and I don't think it's a big conspiracy as many think...I've mentally been in this as a long haul kind of thing since March.
ETA: locally speaking, we shut down on March 10...our DOH said it would be a minimum of 4 weeks and they were pretty candid about that being a minimum and were very open about it likely being a longer shut down. They also had a gaiting criteria out by the end of March illustrating phased opening plans once certain criteria were met. It was pretty clear that late May or early June would probably be the earliest that things would start opening up on a restricted basis...which was pretty much the case. Most things were open here with restrictions starting in early June...really the only things not open were large entertainment venues like concert stadiums and movie theaters. We shut down again in November and are now only slightly more open than we were with the November reset.5 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Genuine question here, this is not directed at anyone but is something I’ve thought about when the subject of ‘children falling behind with schooling’ comes up.
Who exactly are they ‘falling behind’? The virus impacts their whole peer group not just a select few. If they’re all effected by either school closures, home schooling, online learning, limited contact teaching or whatever measures are in place where they live, then they’re all equally disadvantaged.
An entire generation world wide is in the same situation, so it’s not as if when it comes to finding their place in the world when they leave education they’ll be up against their peers who had a different experience.
Unless by then we’ve been invaded by people from other planets where COVID didn’t exist! 😂
I think the "disparate impact" is happening with respect to families in more difficult situations.
Before going on, I want to underscore that I support most of the restrictions that are in place as public health measures. Now, I'm going on . . . .
Families where both parents have to work, who don't have other family members/friends to supervise their children's home schooling, are at a relative disadvantage to children who have a parent or other in the home to provide that supervision. Even with a parent in the home, students with attentive or well-educated parents may be at an advantage, compared to students whose parents are struggling psychologically themselves, or whose own educational success was very limited.
Families that are relatively wealthier can afford technology or education-advancement services and products that may advantage their children, as compared with families in financially insecure situations. (This is not just "extras", but perhaps the difference between following an online class at home on a nice laptop with fast internet, vs. somewhere in a public library parking lot on a smart phone.) Children in smaller, crowded living quarters with more family members (or an extended household) are potentially at a disadvantage when it comes to noise, distractions, etc., vs. children who have a quiet, suitably set-up place to do their online schooling.
And so forth.
That's in addition to personal personality factors that differ between children.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
I think there was a couple of us...I was one. It wasn't so much that I had never heard a two weeks statement, it was more to the point that even with that two weeks, there was a much longer phased opening plan...so I guess I never heard 2 weeks and then we're done and back to normal pre-COVID. Most of what I heard on national news from the beginning was that we would be in a long period of restrictions...easing of restrictions...tightening of restrictions again, etc until a vaccine was not only available, but widely distributed. My assumption from the beginning was that we'd be living this well into 2021...maybe that's why I'm not as frustrated with things as some and I don't think it's a big conspiracy as many think...I've mentally been in this as a long haul kind of thing since March.
Reflecting back on things I thought about last spring. I was preparing for fast and devastating over a short term. I recall buying foods that did not need electricity to store or to prepare. I was buying gallons of water. Enough to last a few weeks. I was instructing my adult kids to to the same. I was not thinking this was going to be a long-haul.3 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Genuine question here, this is not directed at anyone but is something I’ve thought about when the subject of ‘children falling behind with schooling’ comes up.
Who exactly are they ‘falling behind’? The virus impacts their whole peer group not just a select few. If they’re all effected by either school closures, home schooling, online learning, limited contact teaching or whatever measures are in place where they live, then they’re all equally disadvantaged.
An entire generation world wide is in the same situation, so it’s not as if when it comes to finding their place in the world when they leave education they’ll be up against their peers who had a different experience.
Unless by then we’ve been invaded by people from other planets where COVID didn’t exist! 😂Theoldguy1 wrote: »The thing is the kids are not in the same situation.
Student A:
Some kids are internally motivated and do all their assigned work, plus study for AP tests and train for their sport or their school music which they hope to participate in when safe. Some kids have supportive parents, that help them in any way they can to make sure they get their stuff done. These kids have a crappy situation but probably not falling behind in school
Student B:
Then there are kids with no motivation that don't log on and don't do their work, just play on the phone, video game, etc, no parent support.
Now the Student B kids probably weren't the star students to start off, but I would guess they are suffering more than the Student A type as far as getting an education. I.e., the bottom is getting lower.
In addition to this, different school districts are running their programs very differently. Some of the following might be age-related.
My 13 yo nephew is going hybrid part time and THERE IS NO TEACHER INTERACTION WHATSOEVER on the remote days - the teachers are working with the in person students on those days.
My neighbor's 11 yo does have teacher interaction in her remote modules. I think she is full time remote.
(Interestingly, my nephew is in the more affluent of the two districts.)
My physical therapist hires a tutor to come in for her kids during school hours. Obviously, not all families have the means to do this.
Also, not all families have decent internet connections or computers and not all school districts are able to provide their students with devices.
Lack of equipment has been an ongoing discussion on my local PBS talk radio:
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/21/andrea-campbell-pushing-for-transparency-on-bps-tech-as-district-switches-to-remote/
...“Despite BPS’s promise that all students in need of a Chromebook would receive one, data from September showed that in some majority Black and Latinx schools, as many as 80 percent of the requests for Chromebooks were not fulfilled.”5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I don't understand why the vaccine rollout is so terrible. Sounds like some places have extra doses while other places don't have enough. I feel like the phased approach is holding things back in places with extra doses. Those places where they have enough vaccine, but can't give it to anyone because they haven't been told to go on to the next phase yet. Someone needs to take inventory and just get these shots to people. Maybe deploy the national guards and train them to give injections. 100K soildiers working 12 hrs per day would have these vaccines done much sooner. Only question is supply to do that.
Just my opinion but I think the problem is this needed to be organized from the top down and it wasn't. And I'd bet some states assumed it would be and we're caught unprepared when it wasn't.
The doctor who gives updates on This Week in Virology works at one of the larger NYC hospitals (I forget which one). He said they were notified back in Nov that they were on the list to get a certain amount of vials for staff vaccinations. So they put a plan together and waited to get more info on timing. And waited. And then 1200 doses of vaccine just showed up on their loading dock one Tues morning in Jan. They had to scramble to look at staff schedules and dept occupancy to come up with a schedule right there on the spot. Luckily they were well organized and they banged out the jabs, but a less well prepared organization might not have been ready.
I agree,they need to get creative getting in trained personnel to administer the shots and less picky about who their giving them to.
(This is not a disagreement, rather more just quoting you to continue this subtopic.)
I agree that some level of central coordination is missing, but I also think that fully-centralized planning might not be ideal, for two general reasons. (BTW, I recognize that I'm oversimplifying, as I go on with this thought.)
One is that some localities have handled the distribution so far pretty well (within the constraints of supply and such), while others have not. Where would a fully-centralized plan fall on the effectiveness scale? I feel like many people saying "we ought to have a strong central plan" are assuming it would be a *good* plan. Well, maybe. It's challenging to make a good plan, quickly, for a novel situation; and the larger the scale, the harder it gets, IMO.
The other is that I think more localized governmental entities have a better handle on local constraints and conditions. What will work well for spread-out rural populations with limited big hospitals is probably different than what works in a dense major city with similarly scaled big health-care facilities, for example.
Now, in reality, it's possible to have central coordination to some degree, with local flexibility within that framework. There's no question in my mind that the federal piece of this, in the US, has been handled poorly.
The novelty of the situation is very relevant. We don't have some planning luxuries we might in a less urgent scenario.
I think one of the strengths of the US's multi-tier governmental systems, as a generality, is this: When different approaches to solving problems are tried in different localities, we have an opportunity to review the results, and learn from the best models, over time. In the current situation, the novelty of the needs, and the urgency of getting solutions, isn't really benefiting from that idea of trying multiple approaches in different places and comparing results.
No one has a moment's time to do a lot of consulting with peers in different localities, as might be the norm in less urgent situations. (That sort of consultation is one of the things that professional associations, etc., are useful for, in many situations. In my professional life, if we needed to do new-thing X, we'd be talking with other similar organizations to see who'd done X, and learning from their experience. This train is just rolling faster than that, at the moment; and no one's done this before. We haven't had time for "pilot projects".) I assume more of that review/consultation/adjustment will happen, over time, since this crisis/process will be going on for a while.
There's a tendency amongst the public, I think, to expect things to work well right out of the gate (they pretty much never do, IME, but the stakes aren't usually this high, or the results this visible). In other situations new processes sometimes look to the general public like they work well at the start, because trials/pilots were not very well publicized, but were helpful in working out kinks before going full-scale. (In a way, this is similar to the way some people saw the learning process by scientists early on, with findings and results changing the experts' minds, as flip-flopping or wishy-washiness.)
There's also a tendency to believe that a strong central authority (like a national pandemic czar) and strict authority structures with rigid rules are going to be the best way to get things done. I think that's mostly not true, either.
I keep reminding myself that all (well, most) of the health systems, governmental entities, etc., are just collections of regular people like me, doing the best they can in these difficult circumstances, and that in most cases they're aware of factors and considerations that I as a non-specialist have no expertise about. It's always pretty easy to second-guess how someone else should be doing a job I'd have no idea how to do myself, if I were challenged to try. 😆
I agree with this post. I used to think government coordination would have stopped this thing, and it might have had a plan been ready for this type of disaster. I remember as a kid in school being told what we would do if there were an atomic attack (this in rural Minnesota). We also had fire drills. There used to be the idea of prevention and a plan--preparedness. The federal government would have had to have centers, and stockpiles, and dry runs at every level to make it work.
Once COVID hit it was too late. In Italy we're under central government control and COVID is still here and going strong. The regions do not like the government mandates and either issue stricter controls or want more opening. This is a much smaller country than the US.
As Ann said, we can just do our best as citizens, and it's just not easy to understand what it takes to get everything moving.
I remember this too, suburban Minneapolis, elementary school. We crouched down in the halls covering our heads with our arms during drills 😳 They also talked about loading us into boxcars to get us away from the city. Wouldn’t fly today. No school psychologists then. This was during the Cuban missile crisis.
There’s definitely no easy solution to covid. It would be nice if everyone took this seriously, and did the basics that slow down the spread. One young girl interviewed the other day about holiday partying, traveling, and socializing, said she has to live her life, and have fun🤷🏻♀️
I remember practicing going under our desks, like that was really going to make a difference. This was likely early 1970's given the classroom I am picturing in my mind? Am I hallucinating? I have no idea what we would have been hiding from.
I grew up in Tornado Land. We practiced getting under our desks until the threat of nuclear bombs. Then they cleaned out the basement well enough for all of us to squeeze in. It was storage and the janitors’ things. They took each class, one class at a time, downstairs and said if they took us down there, we’d have to stand close for all of us to fit in. They never had a practice or said anything about it ever again.
My dad was on the school board, and he said it was because all the practice was scaring some of the kids and their parents.
Maybe something similar happened in your case. Maybe your middle school had a basement and your grade school didn’t?1 -
I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
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cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
I think there was a couple of us...I was one. It wasn't so much that I had never heard a two weeks statement, it was more to the point that even with that two weeks, there was a much longer phased opening plan...so I guess I never heard 2 weeks and then we're done and back to normal pre-COVID. Most of what I heard on national news from the beginning was that we would be in a long period of restrictions...easing of restrictions...tightening of restrictions again, etc until a vaccine was not only available, but widely distributed. My assumption from the beginning was that we'd be living this well into 2021...maybe that's why I'm not as frustrated with things as some and I don't think it's a big conspiracy as many think...I've mentally been in this as a long haul kind of thing since March.
Reflecting back on things I thought about last spring. I was preparing for fast and devastating over a short term. I recall buying foods that did not need electricity to store or to prepare. I was buying gallons of water. Enough to last a few weeks. I was instructing my adult kids to to the same. I was not thinking this was going to be a long-haul.
I was preparing for two weeks last spring because that's what the quarantine period was. Here's a post from March 3, 2020 Me:kshama2001 wrote: »As far as preparing, I'm am stocking up on food sufficient for a couple weeks. Just enough in case there were a requirement to self-quarantine at home for a period of time. Not hording anything, but putting a couple extra packs of chicken and fish and frozen vegetables in the freezer, as well as the typical staples eggs, rice, bread, that keep well. There hasn't been any confirmed cases in my area yet, but I don't want to be behind the curve in case people get stupid once a few are reported.
I just listened to Radio Boston with guest Dr. Leonard Marcus, founding Co-Director of the National Preparedness Leadership Initiative, a collaborative effort of HSPH and the Kennedy School of Government, developed in collaboration with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the White House, and the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Defense.
At the end of the show when asked to pass along one key message, he said, "The key message is: Get prepared to be quarantined... what would you do? Have the procedures, have the food, go through the drill with your friends and family.
Host: And that means food and medications, right?
Lenny: All of your essentials. ...imagine that you will be out of the loop for two weeks and prepare yourself for that eventuality.2 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Genuine question here, this is not directed at anyone but is something I’ve thought about when the subject of ‘children falling behind with schooling’ comes up.
Who exactly are they ‘falling behind’? The virus impacts their whole peer group not just a select few. If they’re all effected by either school closures, home schooling, online learning, limited contact teaching or whatever measures are in place where they live, then they’re all equally disadvantaged.
An entire generation world wide is in the same situation, so it’s not as if when it comes to finding their place in the world when they leave education they’ll be up against their peers who had a different experience.
Unless by then we’ve been invaded by people from other planets where COVID didn’t exist! 😂
I've thought of this myself and then had to stop myself and remember that to a large extent I and my family live in a bit of a bubble. I live in a village outside of Albuquerque with a population of about 8,500...many of whom are retired. We have a very strong sense of community, and most people either know each other or know of each other and that community aspect spills over into our very small elementary school. It is substantially different than going to school in Albuquerque or Rio Rancho where schools have thousands of kids and nobody really knows anyone or what's going on.
Even with online learning, our teachers are very active and attentive with their students. My 10 year old's class is 12 students and my 8 year old's class is 10 students so teachers can more easily focus on students that might be struggling in one area or another...I know that isn't the case elsewhere. My 10 year old was struggling a bit with reading comprehension...something his teacher noticed, not us...she started spending an additional 1.5 hours per week with him individually working on this...something I doubt happens in many places.
It seems that we also have a high degree of parental involvement here, which I think has always been the case. We do not have a middle school or high school, and a high percentage of students attending our public elementary school end up going on to private schools in the area rather than transferring to Albuquerque or Rio Rancho. They can be somewhat rigorous to get into, so most parents here seem to stay pretty on top of their kids...6 -
I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
The last time I had a flu shot was 30 years ago and I had a really bad reaction, but last fall when medical experts I trusted were recommending the flu shot I did get it.
I imagine the bad reactions you are hearing about are anecdotes rather than statistics?
@kimny72 - any thoughts on this?4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
I think there was a couple of us...I was one. It wasn't so much that I had never heard a two weeks statement, it was more to the point that even with that two weeks, there was a much longer phased opening plan...so I guess I never heard 2 weeks and then we're done and back to normal pre-COVID. Most of what I heard on national news from the beginning was that we would be in a long period of restrictions...easing of restrictions...tightening of restrictions again, etc until a vaccine was not only available, but widely distributed. My assumption from the beginning was that we'd be living this well into 2021...maybe that's why I'm not as frustrated with things as some and I don't think it's a big conspiracy as many think...I've mentally been in this as a long haul kind of thing since March.
Reflecting back on things I thought about last spring. I was preparing for fast and devastating over a short term. I recall buying foods that did not need electricity to store or to prepare. I was buying gallons of water. Enough to last a few weeks. I was instructing my adult kids to to the same. I was not thinking this was going to be a long-haul.
I was preparing for two weeks last spring because that's what the quarantine period was. Here's a post from March 3, 2020 Me:kshama2001 wrote: »As far as preparing, I'm am stocking up on food sufficient for a couple weeks. Just enough in case there were a requirement to self-quarantine at home for a period of time. Not hording anything, but putting a couple extra packs of chicken and fish and frozen vegetables in the freezer, as well as the typical staples eggs, rice, bread, that keep well. There hasn't been any confirmed cases in my area yet, but I don't want to be behind the curve in case people get stupid once a few are reported.
I just listened to Radio Boston with guest Dr. Leonard Marcus, founding Co-Director of the National Preparedness Leadership Initiative, a collaborative effort of HSPH and the Kennedy School of Government, developed in collaboration with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the White House, and the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Defense.
At the end of the show when asked to pass along one key message, he said, "The key message is: Get prepared to be quarantined... what would you do? Have the procedures, have the food, go through the drill with your friends and family.
Host: And that means food and medications, right?
Lenny: All of your essentials. ...imagine that you will be out of the loop for two weeks and prepare yourself for that eventuality.
But that was for being sick with the virus right? I think of "quarantine" as being sick and being locked down in your home. We still have our stash of shelf stable essentials in the event we have to quarantine for two weeks, as well as our plan...which is basically if one of us get sick, that person is quarantined to the master bedroom in that it has a bathroom and a door to a patio for fresh air, and food can be left at the door. If all of us are sick, it doesn't much matter...4 -
I remember checking the FEMA site recommendations for pandemics a couple years ago. It had graphs showing waves and said to have enough supplies to not leave home for three weeks at a time for each wave. I just went back to check it now and it's all been rewritten for covid. It's like the hospital where I worked had 'plans' for a pandemic, but nothing they could implement without weeks of meetings and rewrites. We've learned so much in the last year, but we aren't anywhere near to knowing all we need.5
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I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
I know a couple of people IRL life and a couple of people on Twitter who just got their second shot and had nothing but a sore arm. Remember that the stories that get amplified the loudest are always unfortunately the negative ones
Now that's not to say you won't maybe feel like crap after both for a day or two lol.
And so now ironically I'm going to amplify a negative story, whoops. I just read an interview with a surgeon who has been helping out at her hospital treating and testing covid patients for study data. She said the chest films of recovered covid patients are worse than ones you typically see in lifelong smokers. Even the ones who didn't require hospitalization and said they felt recovered often had scarred lungs. At least for me, the fact that we don't yet know the long term health consequences of surviving even a mild case of covid makes the vaccine less scary.
Hopefully as we all start to get the opportunity to get vaccinated we will post our experience here and give everyone more of an idea of how it will go.
ETA: Having said that, if you're not sure your early place in line is necessary, waiting until it would otherwise be your turn isn't the end of the world. Being mentally ready is important too!5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
It was 2 weeks to "slow the spread" not END the spread. We were supposed to be flattening the curve so resources would not be overwhelmed by a sudden, massive spike of infections. It was supposed to give us time to prepare for the coming onslaught. Although the time seemed to be squandered... Did anyone really say or even think it would be over in 2 weeks?
The only person telling us it would magically completely disappear soon was the president. I can see how people who believed his statements would be disappointed when the pandemic kept going...
I'm not sure you can say that Fauci's comment was "equally wrong" since he said it would be several weeks with restrictions in place to get things under control. Since we never actually had anything consistent and coordinated in place, we can't actually know if he would have been right or wrong. We never did the things he told us we needed to do.
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I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
Reenie, have you gotten the shingles vaccine? I have to say, after listening to conversations about vaccines for the last month or two, I am looking forward to the covid vaccines and kind of scared of the shingles one!
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Genuine question here, this is not directed at anyone but is something I’ve thought about when the subject of ‘children falling behind with schooling’ comes up.
Who exactly are they ‘falling behind’? The virus impacts their whole peer group not just a select few. If they’re all effected by either school closures, home schooling, online learning, limited contact teaching or whatever measures are in place where they live, then they’re all equally disadvantaged.
An entire generation world wide is in the same situation, so it’s not as if when it comes to finding their place in the world when they leave education they’ll be up against their peers who had a different experience.
Unless by then we’ve been invaded by people from other planets where COVID didn’t exist! 😂
I think the "disparate impact" is happening with respect to families in more difficult situations.
Before going on, I want to underscore that I support most of the restrictions that are in place as public health measures. Now, I'm going on . . . .
Families where both parents have to work, who don't have other family members/friends to supervise their children's home schooling, are at a relative disadvantage to children who have a parent or other in the home to provide that supervision. Even with a parent in the home, students with attentive or well-educated parents may be at an advantage, compared to students whose parents are struggling psychologically themselves, or whose own educational success was very limited.
Families that are relatively wealthier can afford technology or education-advancement services and products that may advantage their children, as compared with families in financially insecure situations. (This is not just "extras", but perhaps the difference between following an online class at home on a nice laptop with fast internet, vs. somewhere in a public library parking lot on a smart phone.) Children in smaller, crowded living quarters with more family members (or an extended household) are potentially at a disadvantage when it comes to noise, distractions, etc., vs. children who have a quiet, suitably set-up place to do their online schooling.
And so forth.
That's in addition to personal personality factors that differ between children.
Yes, and all of this was true before the pandemic. There has always been a disparity in resources and opportunities depending on a child's home life. Just because kids are sitting together in a brick and mortar classroom doesn't mean they are all having an equal educational experience. Those homelife variables are going to be a powerful influence whether you're virtual or in-person. It's interesting that the public is just starting to notice or care about this. Teachers already know this.
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I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
Reenie, have you gotten the shingles vaccine? I have to say, after listening to conversations about vaccines for the last month or two, I am looking forward to the covid vaccines and kind of scared of the shingles one!
Sore arm a couple times and $400 out the door NBD.0 -
paperpudding wrote: »On the plus side, for her doctor's appointments - they have stopped overbooking and now she can get in and out. But now I'm aware of the issue of medical overbooking and will be very annoyed by it when it starts happening again. I've been really enjoying all these mostly empty waiting rooms for my own medical issues.
Not sure where you live.
In Australia, waiting rooms are less full than they used to be because Medicare has approved phone consults, I think until the end of March, at this stage.
The bookings are not any less full, just many of the patients are not physically in the surgery.
I think Telehealth is here to stay..
The temporary telehealth services that were introduced by the Australian Government at the start of the pandemic will become a permanent part of the Australian Medicare system, Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt said on Friday last week.( from a Nov 2020 news article)
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