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I got mine yesterday afternoon (AZ). I didn’t sleep last night and feel awful today. Fever, body aches, chills, skin crawling. Hopefully I’ll get a better sleep tonight and feel better tomorrow. My husband feels lousy too but no fever.12
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Woohoo! Got the fever. Have had every side effect listed.
Ummm.. I hope no anaphylaxis, shingles or blood clots! Not sure which you got but they are the two I'm worried about when I get mine which will be AstraZeneca. You sound rather happy though so that is goodI'm going for a shingles shot before it I think. I'm old enough now.
Moderna, those were the listed side effects on the CDC site. Down to just a lingering headache now, so very happy.
My mom thinks since the vaccine hit me this hard that I would have been in trouble if I had caught covid.8 -
Woohoo! Got the fever. Have had every side effect listed.
Ummm.. I hope no anaphylaxis, shingles or blood clots! Not sure which you got but they are the two I'm worried about when I get mine which will be AstraZeneca. You sound rather happy though so that is goodI'm going for a shingles shot before it I think. I'm old enough now.
Moderna, those were the listed side effects on the CDC site. Down to just a lingering headache now, so very happy.
My mom thinks since the vaccine hit me this hard that I would have been in trouble if I had caught covid.
Very happy for you that you got the Vax and got over the side effects. Wonder when I will. Soon I think.6 -
Woohoo! Got the fever. Have had every side effect listed.
Ummm.. I hope no anaphylaxis, shingles or blood clots! Not sure which you got but they are the two I'm worried about when I get mine which will be AstraZeneca. You sound rather happy though so that is goodI'm going for a shingles shot before it I think. I'm old enough now.
Best to check with your doctor first. It’s not recommended to get vaccines close to each other and my husbands doctor told him to get the covid vaccine first. We had our 2nd Moderna shot two weeks ago, and now have the full effect. 94%. He’s getting the shingles vaccine in May.5 -
Here in Australia the advice is not to get Covid vaccine within 2 weeks of any other vaccine.(before or after)
Bit tricky as now is also flu vaccine season here - and we have to be careful to have 2 week minimum interval.
But it applies to Covid and any other vaccine.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia the advice is not to get Covid vaccine within 2 weeks of any other vaccine.(before or after)
Bit tricky as now is also flu vaccine season here - and we have to be careful to have 2 week minimum interval.
But it applies to Covid and any other vaccine.
When we get the vaccine in the USA, they have a form we fill out with a bunch of questions. I forget how long, but one of the questions is if we have had any other vaccine within the prior X number of day (weeks, months?). I assume they would not give the Covid vaccine if someone marked Yes to that question.8 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia the advice is not to get Covid vaccine within 2 weeks of any other vaccine.(before or after)
Bit tricky as now is also flu vaccine season here - and we have to be careful to have 2 week minimum interval.
But it applies to Covid and any other vaccine.
When we get the vaccine in the USA, they have a form we fill out with a bunch of questions. I forget how long, but one of the questions is if we have had any other vaccine within the prior X number of day (weeks, months?). I assume they would not give the Covid vaccine if someone marked Yes to that question.
I filled out a similar form, and although it asked if we had gotten another vaccine within the past 14 days, it specifically stated "not a contraindication." The question about pregnancy was the same.3 -
Well, this is disturbing news about the “Double Mutant” variant. Especially how it has quickly become the dominant strain in multiple countries and might be driving more severe illness in younger people. 😞 https://apple.news/AAh0yiivNQX6UFiJq-wfXnw2
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia the advice is not to get Covid vaccine within 2 weeks of any other vaccine.(before or after)
Bit tricky as now is also flu vaccine season here - and we have to be careful to have 2 week minimum interval.
But it applies to Covid and any other vaccine.
When we get the vaccine in the USA, they have a form we fill out with a bunch of questions. I forget how long, but one of the questions is if we have had any other vaccine within the prior X number of day (weeks, months?). I assume they would not give the Covid vaccine if someone marked Yes to that question.
I filled out a similar form, and although it asked if we had gotten another vaccine within the past 14 days, it specifically stated "not a contraindication." The question about pregnancy was the same.
Is a contraindication here ( having any other vaccine in previous 2 weeks)
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Today, I'm two weeks past my second shot, so considered fully vaccinated!
I'm getting together with my fully vaccinated parents and sister today to celebrate.
Maybe even give them hugs for the first time in over a year.19 -
Canada has updated it's guidance to allow anyone over 30 to get the Astra Zeneca vaccine - "if they don't want to wait for an mRNA vaccine." We are getting enough mRNA to (eventually) cover everyone so they aren't forcing anyone to get it, but I guess with cases surging they want to give the option to take whatever is available first. I'm not sure that we even have any Astra Zeneca left anyway, but we could potentially get more from the US because they haven't approved it yet.
Prime Minister and his wife got it yesterday - politicians really have no choice I guess they have to take it if they expect others to.
Interestingly we have had two VIIT reactions in the province and they have both been men in their 60s (although we just started giving it to 40+ year olds last week so that is probably a factor)2 -
My city is opening vaccination for 55+ age group. That’s my parents’ and their friends’ age group and my oldest coworkers belong in that group as well. Really happy things are progressing and people around me are slowly but surely starting to form herd immunity while infection numbers are going down.
Restaurants opened this week for daytime only, alcohol sales must end at 5PM and food service ends at 7PM, I think. Still not going to any restaurants, at least not before the end of next week, to wait and see if infection numbers keep going down. It’s nice to have more variety for delivery options as many places closed their kitchens as well.
If the numbers keep going down, I might start going back to the office a couple of days per week in May. I really miss the social interaction and would love to have a few months of some kind of social life before starting maternity leave and staying home with the baby.
Please be extra careful - I don't want to scare you but the variants here are hitting pregnant women harder than the first two waves. I saw a report that at one hospital in Toronto 6 of their 20 ICU beds were pregnant women.
There are lots of calls here for the gov't to make pregnant women a priority group for vaccination, because most don't qualify based on age yet.
Of course Covid is out of control here right now (pushing 5000 cases per day) not sure how the cases are where you are.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-doctors-advocate-for-higher-vaccine-priority-for-pregnant-people-as-icu-rates-climb-1.5992628
Not sure what the disagrees were about with this, but Ontario has now moved pregnant women into the highest priority vaccine group.9 -
Yes that is the difference in risk benefit scenarios - Canada has rampant community transmission.
Australia has almost none - therefore it is safe to discourage vaccination of pregnant women and hold off on AZ vaccine for under 50 s even though that means no vaccine availability for many in practice since regional areas do not have Pfizer, the only other vaccine available anywhere in Aus.
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paperpudding wrote: »Yes that is the difference in risk benefit scenarios - Canada has rampant community transmission.
Australia has almost none - therefore it is safe to discourage vaccination of pregnant women and hold off on AZ vaccine for under 50 s even though that means no vaccine availability for many in practice since regional areas do not have Pfizer, the only other vaccine available anywhere in Aus.
Yep - life sucks here right now. Most people are willing to take whatever vaccine they can get.10 -
paperpudding wrote: »Yes that is the difference in risk benefit scenarios - Canada has rampant community transmission.
Australia has almost none - therefore it is safe to discourage vaccination of pregnant women and hold off on AZ vaccine for under 50 s even though that means no vaccine availability for many in practice since regional areas do not have Pfizer, the only other vaccine available anywhere in Aus.
Yep - life sucks here right now. Most people are willing to take whatever vaccine they can get.
We have very close to zero cases still of Covid in Australia and I'm still going to get my AZ shot when I'm able to which should be very soon. I have too much I want to see and do yet so if a shot keeps me out of hospital then give it to me because we know Covid can go crazy anywhere in the blink of an eye. I'm extremely sad to hear Canada is going through such terrible times. My best MFP friend is there too and has to look after PPE and allergic to almost all the vaccines bar one. So horribleStay safe.
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paperpudding wrote: »Yes that is the difference in risk benefit scenarios - Canada has rampant community transmission.
Australia has almost none - therefore it is safe to discourage vaccination of pregnant women and hold off on AZ vaccine for under 50 s even though that means no vaccine availability for many in practice since regional areas do not have Pfizer, the only other vaccine available anywhere in Aus.
Yep - life sucks here right now. Most people are willing to take whatever vaccine they can get.
I'm sorry things are so bad there.
Ive had first dose of AZ vaccine myself - health worker in category phase 1b.
But I am over 50 .
I understand people getting whatever vaccine they can and governments making any vaccine available - when risk of disease outweighs risk of vaccine.
I also understand reasonable vaccine hesitancy (that is different from silly anti vac conspiracy nonsense) and governments being more cautious in what they make available to whom in different situations.
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paperpudding wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia the advice is not to get Covid vaccine within 2 weeks of any other vaccine.(before or after)
Bit tricky as now is also flu vaccine season here - and we have to be careful to have 2 week minimum interval.
But it applies to Covid and any other vaccine.
When we get the vaccine in the USA, they have a form we fill out with a bunch of questions. I forget how long, but one of the questions is if we have had any other vaccine within the prior X number of day (weeks, months?). I assume they would not give the Covid vaccine if someone marked Yes to that question.
I filled out a similar form, and although it asked if we had gotten another vaccine within the past 14 days, it specifically stated "not a contraindication." The question about pregnancy was the same.
Is a contraindication here ( having any other vaccine in previous 2 weeks)
It was for me, too. California.1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My SIL texted me that her neighbor had gone to the health dept vaccine clinic nearby for her appt and heard they had a couple of hundred extra J&J shots that they were accepting walk ins for. I put on some real pants and ran down there and within 15 minutes I was vaccinated.
I am on their mailing list and follow them on FB, and there were no emails or posts advertising it. And there were folks there, but no line. I'm so grateful I found out about it, but no idea why they weren't pulling names off the state list and texting people.
So I ran a bit of a fever last night and felt generally achy. I woke up this morning and the fever is gone for now, but the news said the FDA is suggesting the US halt J&J because it's also seeing rare cases of this blood clot disorder. Oh boy
Nate Silver has a valid point if you follow him on Twitter. Basically pointing out that the number of deaths prevented by going forward with the vaccine far outweighs the number of deaths from this blood clot issue. He is right.
From a public health perspective it makes sense, even if 1/1000 people died from the vaccine, the other 999 would be protected from COVID death. But do I want to be that one person who sacrifices myself for the cause? Not really.
I think the main issue here is that we have other vaccines available that don't *seem* to have the same reaction. So is it really ethical to continue using vaccines that do cause this reaction?
As paperpudding suggested that probably depends on how bad the outbreak is in a given place. In Australia it would seem that they could safely wait without too much death and destruction happening. Here in Ontario cases are out of control and our hospitals are getting overwhelmed, so might not be the best idea to wait.
J&J is the only single-dose, and I am hearing from a lot of people that won't do 2, but will take 1. Or they are ok with J&J because it works differently supposedly. In addition, a single-dose works best for transient populations (such as prisons).
Finally, there is that question of how many vaccine doses are available otherwise. Does pulling J&J delay some from getting a vaccine. My understanding is that the answer is Yes... and that's why the risk is so much higher to pull it.
FTR nobody is "sacrificing" themselves - it isn't known if you will be the 1 in 7 million that dies from the vaccine. It is taking a risk of getting Covid (1 in 15,000 deaths if using conservative estimates and incorrectly ignoring compounded spread to others) vs. taking the risk of death from vaccine at 1 in 7,000,000.
My "sacrificing myself" comment was based on my hypothetical 1/1000 scenario regarding risk in general not specific to the 1 in 7 million. However the 1 in 7 million isn't necessarily accurate either as they don't have all the data. For example if elderly populations were vaccinated first (and make up say half of the 7 million) and they react less frequently then the risk to someone 30 years old could be significantly higher. Also they originally said that women were at higher risk for AZ but that could due to the fact that the proportion of women in health care fields is higher, so they got the vaccine first.
All that said the risk does appear to be quite low - but we won't know until a lot more data comes in how low it really is.
Elderly who wanted vaccines got them before J&J became available in US, so highly unlikely that half are elderly. Recipients will skew young.
At least here in California, the J&J vaccine was also very popular for and among the homeless population here because it was one dose. I would guess that's the case elsewhere as well, too. Our Public Health/COVID Response Director said the pause in administering J&J was also likely to give time to track down those who might have had side effects as they might not be readily identifiable as CVST or that they are related to the vaccine, given that the reactions have occurred at least six days after the person received the vaccine.
Yeah, there is a cost to any time lost with the J&J vaxx because there are a number of people for whom getting them in (or going to them) more than once is unlikely or at least difficult. It was kind of apropos that J&J was coming in late behind the first two in the US, as it was going to be most useful in disadvantaged populations that would be lagging behind the haves anyway.
If they were using the pause to see if this was a larger problem that would reveal itself now that it was known, it doesn't appear like that's happened so far. Hopefully they are updating the fact sheet, getting the word out to the HC community how to treat this rare situation, and then they'll open it back up. If someone who has access to the other shots and no medical reason to avoid them want to choose to not get J&J and look for an mRna shot that's fine, but we are in a race so I hope this is a short pause.
I just read a good piece about the vaccination effort in NorCal. The mostly rural areas (not the Bay Area), are already leaning towards the anti-vaccine way and the sparsely populated areas make Moderna/Pfizer unrealistic because of the 1000-ish doses per vial. They can’t travel enough to get them into peoples’ arms in a day. And the. There’s coming back around for dose two. Because of the reluctance to vaccinate, public health officials have been going to the people instead of expecting them to come to a vaccination site.
I don’t know what the response will be to J&J now.3 -
After my first moderna shot the pharmacist didn't say anything about avoiding painkillers. This time I was told to take Tylenol and avoid ibuprofin. I just checked the CDC guidance and it doesn't suggest any restrictions post shot. Any ideas why there is a difference?
Something in the NSAIDs can interfere with the immune response, whereas acetaminophen doesn’t. I know the actual explanation is deeper, but that was all I needed to know. 😃2 -
I read an article from Reuters today that said India was currently averaging almost one COVID death every four minutes. 💔9
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I read an article from Reuters today that said India was currently averaging almost one COVID death every four minutes. 💔
This is heartbreaking. I know that they live in very tight and close conditions in some areas of the country, and that is what COVID likes. Easy and total spread.
Drone images of mass cremations as India battles Covid-19
With a rising death toll in a second wave of the coronavirus pandemic, authorities in India have been forced to hold mass cremations at makeshift sites. The country has seen more than 16 million confirmed cases since the pandemic began.
Source: CNN
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/04/23/covid-cremations-india-jba-lon-orig.cnn6 -
We had our 2nd vaccine on Friday. I'm convinced how you feel the vaccine delivery more with some who are giving it rather than others. (dare I suggest women are more sensitive to their delivery than men. A young woman did our first, an older man the second he was rather sharp where as she was gentle if that makes sense) We've had no reaction what so ever to either. Happen as well because we have our heavy childminding responsibilities Friday and this weekend, giggle.
I feel for the population of India. Not only are they suffering the highest rate of infection and therefore deaths because of the close conditions the majority live in they are also suffering shortages of oxygen. Not just shortages, they are out of it. Their government is trying to increase supply but it can only take time they don't have. I was said yesterday pm, UK time, that they had received 500 litres which in the scheme of things will go now where.
This morning there was a report of a nasty fire in a south Mediterranean facing country . There had been an incident which caused an oxygen cylinder to explode in the intensive care department of a hospital, there have been dreadful casualties.
We in our Western bubbles are so fortunate. Internationally when we can get to grips with this thing, there will be many countries which will need support and this is before we get to thinking global warming, probably we should address the issues in parallel.9 -
I read an article from Reuters today that said India was currently averaging almost one COVID death every four minutes. 💔
This is heartbreaking. I know that they live in very tight and close conditions in some areas of the country, and that is what COVID likes. Easy and total spread.
Drone images of mass cremations as India battles Covid-19
With a rising death toll in a second wave of the coronavirus pandemic, authorities in India have been forced to hold mass cremations at makeshift sites. The country has seen more than 16 million confirmed cases since the pandemic began.
Source: CNN
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/04/23/covid-cremations-india-jba-lon-orig.cnn
Area wise, the size of the US is much bigger than India. Population of India is almost one billion more than the US. Even though India’s cases are spiking now, the US has had almost twice as many cases, and almost twice as many deaths, as India.4 -
@missysippy930
I understand that infections and deaths in a pandemic are always reported in relation to areas. I am referring to the human aspect of the situation, which is something that sometimes we fail to recognize and feel for, and not to statistics. I think that we are getting totally numb to human suffering and despair. For some people it may work, but not for me.
To my recollection, we didn't see in the continental USA, cremations "at makeshift sites" that can be seen from the air. The same type of images were reported from Brazil.
When hospitals, morgues, and crematories were overburden at the height of the pandemic in USA, the states or counties provided refrigerator trucks to keep the deceased until a proper burial could be arranged. I can’t imagen not being able to see and be with a dying loved one in a hospital, and then see their bodies being cremated in open fields. Last night in the news it was reported that sometimes the cremations took place in back yards as well. Very sad, and not over yet.
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@missysippy930
I understand that infections and deaths in a pandemic are always reported in relation to areas. I am referring to the human aspect of the situation, which is something that sometimes we fail to recognize and feel for, and not to statistics. I think that we are getting totally numb to human suffering and despair. For some people it may work, but not for me.
To my recollection, we didn't see in the continental USA, cremations "at makeshift sites" that can be seen from the air. The same type of images were reported from Brazil.
When hospitals, morgues, and crematories were overburden at the height of the pandemic in USA, the states or counties provided refrigerator trucks to keep the deceased until a proper burial could be arranged. I can’t imagen not being able to see and be with a dying loved one in a hospital, and then see their bodies being cremated in open fields. Last night in the news it was reported that sometimes the cremations took place in back yards as well. Very sad, and not over yet.
A couple of years ago, I saw a documentary that covered funerary practices in various parts of the world. (Pre-COVID.) Outdoor, open-air cremations are standard practice in India. The cremation sites I saw in that link look similar to the ones I saw in the documentary. You could see those from the air as well. In the highly populated areas especially, the cremation sites are large and they are burning bodies 24/7. There is a caste of people who basically are born into the trade, and it's a dirty, unhealthy job. And the types of fuels used depend on how much the family can pay - some burn better than others, and do a quicker, cleaner job, etc. Poor people just get burned in a pile together. Seeing a loved one cremated on a pyre of wood outdoors would not be especially traumatic in India. That's a normal cultural practice. Don't let it upset you.
What IS traumatic is that there are so many dying so quickly, there are more young people dying than normal (probably the more aggressive variants) and people are suffering miserably because there is no oxygen to keep them comfortable and support the lungs.
ETA: Found this interesting little tidbit regarding the funerals. DO NOT READ if you are sensitive. I personally find this kind of thing fascinating.
After cremation, ashes and bones are scattered in the sacred Ganges River. (George Harrison and Jerry Garcia's remains went in there, too.) They were having trouble with disease spreading back in the day when poor people (who couldn't afford cremation) just had their bodies tossed right in the river. So..."Today only bones and ashes are supposed to be scattered in the river. Even so the cremation process, especially among those who can not afford the large amount of wood needed to incinerate the entire body, leaves behind a lot of half burned body parts. To get rid of the body parts special snapping turtles are bred and released in the river that are taught to consume dead human flesh but not bother swimmers and bathers. These turtles consume about a pound of flesh a day and can reach a size of 70 pounds."8 -
missysippy930 wrote: »I read an article from Reuters today that said India was currently averaging almost one COVID death every four minutes. 💔
This is heartbreaking. I know that they live in very tight and close conditions in some areas of the country, and that is what COVID likes. Easy and total spread.
Drone images of mass cremations as India battles Covid-19
With a rising death toll in a second wave of the coronavirus pandemic, authorities in India have been forced to hold mass cremations at makeshift sites. The country has seen more than 16 million confirmed cases since the pandemic began.
Source: CNN
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/04/23/covid-cremations-india-jba-lon-orig.cnn
Area wise, the size of the US is much bigger than India. Population of India is almost one billion more than the US. Even though India’s cases are spiking now, the US has had almost twice as many cases, and almost twice as many deaths, as India.
The US had one day, back in December, where we reported a little over 400,000 new cases. The US had lots of other bad days where cases spiked into the 200,000s from December-February. This wave in India seems even more devastating than what we faced here. Over 300,000 daily. NYT said that represents a fraction of the cases. In addition to the shortage of supplies and beds, there's (apparently) an enormous amount of stigma attached to COVID there and people may not be reporting deaths or illnesses out of shame.
The US was strained to the brink during the last wave (some places more than others), but it seems India has gone over the edge with no sign of coming back.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavirus-deaths.html6 -
missysippy930 wrote: »I read an article from Reuters today that said India was currently averaging almost one COVID death every four minutes. 💔
This is heartbreaking. I know that they live in very tight and close conditions in some areas of the country, and that is what COVID likes. Easy and total spread.
Drone images of mass cremations as India battles Covid-19
With a rising death toll in a second wave of the coronavirus pandemic, authorities in India have been forced to hold mass cremations at makeshift sites. The country has seen more than 16 million confirmed cases since the pandemic began.
Source: CNN
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/04/23/covid-cremations-india-jba-lon-orig.cnn
Area wise, the size of the US is much bigger than India. Population of India is almost one billion more than the US. Even though India’s cases are spiking now, the US has had almost twice as many cases, and almost twice as many deaths, as India.
The US had one day, back in December, where we reported a little over 400,000 new cases. The US had lots of other bad days where cases spiked into the 200,000s from December-February. This wave in India seems even more devastating than what we faced here. Over 300,000 daily. NYT said that represents a fraction of the cases. In addition to the shortage of supplies and beds, there's (apparently) an enormous amount of stigma attached to COVID there and people may not be reporting deaths or illnesses out of shame.
The US was strained to the brink during the last wave (some places more than others), but it seems India has gone over the edge with no sign of coming back.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavirus-deaths.html
I have no opinion on US vs IndIa cases, but the worst period for US cases was one when testing was inadequate, A much better comparison between countries is deaths. US deaths in spring 2020 were terrible.5 -
My sister watches all the local news. I don't. She said Covid cases have increased 20% in our area.
WTH? Mostly in younger people and children.
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I have no opinion on US vs IndIa cases, but the worst period for US cases was one when testing was inadequate, A much better comparison between countries is deaths. US deaths in spring 2020 were terrible.
A lot of the early deaths were elderly people, especially those in nursing homes who were very vulnerable due to coexisting disease and/or age. In some places 2/3 of the deaths were from nursing homes in those early months. I had no idea there were so many people in PA who were over 100 until I looked at the list of those of that age who had died of/with Covid. That isn't the case now, especially in places like India and Brazil.1 -
My sister has a co-worker who has already booked a Disney vacation for right after their vaccination. I'm only one week post shot 2 and I'm fighting myself to stay safe until the two weeks are over. My aquarium has cycled and I want to go fish shopping.
This is not intended to downplay how serious the situation is in much of the world.6
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