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My workplace is made up of nearly all concientious employees too - I myself got the vaccine in my lunch break (was easy for me as it was on site where I work) - others have got it at the hospital after work or on their days off
(our site only offers AZ for over 50's - unlike me, most of our employees are under 50)
Nobody has taken time off afterward, people have pushed through with mild reactions or deliberately had it when they are rostered off next day.
Like others have mentioned, if I do need to go to the dentist or similar, I book it for least time off - first thing in morning for example and come in to work slightly late, rather than taking whole afternoon off.
I don't think I am a unicorn or that my workplace is unique in having concientious employees.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
To be honest you must work with a group of unicorns because that is not the way it is in most of the real world.
Call me a unicorn then, because that's how I am. I do the exact same thing, book appointments at the beginning or end of the day to minimize lost work time. My first shot was during my vacation time, and the second one is booked for a stat holiday.
I have "use it or lose it" sick time, it doesn't accrue or carry over. Most years I lose it. I used a week in 1998 for chicken pox, three days in 2015 because I was on IV antibiotics and they didn't want me in the office with an IV in my arm, and a week this year for a ruptured appendix. The only other sick time I've used in 33 years is to attend medical appointments.
I'm not going to use sick time if I'm not sick, and I rarely am.
Yeah I booked mine on Saturday morning just in case I wasn't feeling well enough to work or needed a nap after. And we actually did miss a "fun activity" - stayed home from the cottage for the same reason.5 -
As for reactions, little to none for first pfiser shot for both myself and my husband. For second shot, I was "off" the next day and as I am retired, I just made a lazy day of it. My husband woke up "off" as well but since we had both heard that it should only last a few hours, he decided to go off-shore fishing on his friend's boat. After a number of hours, during which he repeatedly screwed things up (and he is meticulous so that is very not normal), his friend said he was taking him back it. He had a temp of 101 and every inch of his body ached. Spent the evening lying on the floor because that was only way he did not hurt. Went to bed, and woke up fine Friday. I know way too many people with variations like my husband (daughter, SIL, and son for starters) for it to not be related to the vaccine. But, that is also what we were told we could expect. Glad to have gotten the vaccine so life is closer to normal than it has been in over a year. But now dreading the shingles vaccine........5
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I know shingles vaccine in US is different brand than we use in Australia - but I have given many shingles vaccines to people and nobody has reported much at all in way of side effects.2
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paperpudding wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
as someone who did have fatigue for 24 hours ish after the vaccine - No I dont call it a particularly adverse reaction either - went out of my way to say it was a mild reaction, in fact - but neither do I think it should be dismissed as imaginary or not worth mentioning or just an excuse (wasnt an excuse for anything in my case, I went to work next day and pushed through, going to bed straight afterwards )
Same for me. I felt off the next day (a Friday), but had some things I had to do, so I did them. I didn't manage to do my planned workout, but I was able to work. However, I did have some kind of reaction (not one that would discourage me from getting vaccinated).1 -
Re: "Yeah, in my experience, that "use any excuse" thing is far from universal."
Of course it's not universal. I haven't taken all (or even most of, or in some years more than a couple of days of) my vacation in forever and I never take sick days. But claiming no one games the system seems unrealistic. That said, I think many people planned time off in case of bad reactions (I know several people who planned time off in advance in case) and that doesn't say whether they had them or not (I do think plenty of people did have minor-ish bad reactions, including me, and I worked but didn't work out and I enjoy working out). But if I hadn't ended up having things I absolutely had to do on that Friday after, I would have taken it off.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »I know shingles vaccine in US is different brand than we use in Australia - but I have given many shingles vaccines to people and nobody has reported much at all in way of side effects.
@paperpudding I would swear I have read people saying that their shingles vaccine reaction was worse than their COVID. I hope that your observations are the reality.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »I know shingles vaccine in US is different brand than we use in Australia - but I have given many shingles vaccines to people and nobody has reported much at all in way of side effects.
@paperpudding I would swear I have read people saying that their shingles vaccine reaction was worse than their COVID. I hope that your observations are the reality.
I'm not sure how many people have said that.
It isn't my observation of patients here though ( we do use different brand to US,not sure if that matters)0 -
It's getting pretty hot again in Tucson. I ate out around 10 days ago inside for the first time since the Pandemic (I'm fully vaccinated). I was completely opposed to eating inside during the pandemic being unvaxed.
Well, this past weekend, for the entire weekend, I felt like I was fighting off a flu. No fever, but close to it, with a headache all weekend. Also felt seriously drained. Earlier in the week, I also had pink eye like symptoms in my left eye for two days and some diarrhea.
Once Monday hit, I was fine. Felt great. I'm convinced that if I hadn't been vaccinated, I would been pretty sick. Also makes me feel really grateful that we ate outside all of last year, no matter how brutally hot it was. That's the only time I could have possibly gotten anything because I'm masked all the time.5 -
Yes the US Shingles vaccine is a 2 shot series and it is one of the tougher ones. Shingrix I believe. The pharmacy who gave me the shot even noted that was common. But for me the symptoms were 48 hrs max with both shots. The fever was also shorter than the 2nd Pfizer. I was really reluctant to take the 2nd one but I figured I was halfway there so I did. My arm got extremely sore overnight and about 24 hrs in (at work) I started chills and sweats (fever) so I went home. This was before covid protocols. I was fine the next day.
@SModa61 I know you said you did not have a reaction but I recall you got very sick that day your husband went sailing. ???
I had an immediate reaction to the 2nd vaccine. The EMT called it an anxiety reaction and physically my heart rate soared within a few minutes of the shot like someone had given me an adrenilin shot. If it had kept going I would have probably passed out in my car. I felt off for 2 days and had a fever at the 24 hr mark. Since I was working remote I did not take any official time off.1 -
I posted about my reaction to vaccine 2 back when I had it. For me, it was more important to get it scheduled asap then to be picky about the day I had it. So I was scheduled for a Thursday morning for both shots. I worked for a bit, then left to get my shot, and came back to work.
For shot 1, I ended up leaving a little early (like an hour or so) due to a headache and fatigue (I work 100% on a computer and the headache was so bad I was nearly ill and nothing was touching the pain).
For shot 2, I worked the rest of Thursday even though I was fatigued, nauseated, and lightheaded. I did call in on Friday, but I could barely get out of bed because of the body aches, fever, nausea, and fatigue. However, I had already spoken to my boss about it so he was aware that was a possibility and had no problem with it (it had also hit some coworkers pretty hard including our director so everyone knew it could happen when people got their shots). I stayed home in bed the whole day. Even ordered in food for lunch and dinner because I felt so horrible.
Were they "serious" reactions? No.
Would I have called in sick if I had felt the same way due to actual illness? Yes.
I figure if people call in, there is a reason. I don't second guess them or think less of them because they use the time given to us. We all get sick, personal, and vacation days. People can use them as they see fit.
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I work in a team of around 30 people. I’m mainly working from home, but AFAIK no one phoned in sick after vaccination. Both my shots were on a Saturday and I work Tuesday - Friday so wouldn’t have been an issue.2
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cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
I've been meaning to comment on this tangent for some time.
My partner is about as far from a hypochondriac as you can get, and is unemployed, so has no psychological or employment reason to have a vaccine reaction. Yet, he was slammed by fatigue about 24 hours after his shot.
I think he had a stronger reaction than I did, and I am far more suggestible than he is.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »I know shingles vaccine in US is different brand than we use in Australia - but I have given many shingles vaccines to people and nobody has reported much at all in way of side effects.
@paperpudding I would swear I have read people saying that their shingles vaccine reaction was worse than their COVID. I hope that your observations are the reality.paperpudding wrote: »I'm not sure how many people have said that.
It isn't my observation of patients here though ( we do use different brand to US,not sure if that matters)
Here in the US we use Shingrix, which has more reports of reaction than the now discontinued in the US Zostavax.
https://www.singlecare.com/blog/shingrix-vs-zostavax/Compared to Zostavax, Shingrix has been reported to cause more systemic reactions like headache, fever, muscle pain (myalgia), and fatigue.
I am scheduled to have my second Shingrix shot in July. I'm very curious about my reaction because while I got really sick after my first shot, some or all of that may have been due to the Anaplasmosis I was diagnosed with later that month.5 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
To be honest you must work with a group of unicorns because that is not the way it is in most of the real world.
Call me a unicorn then, because that's how I am. I do the exact same thing, book appointments at the beginning or end of the day to minimize lost work time. My first shot was during my vacation time, and the second one is booked for a stat holiday.
I have "use it or lose it" sick time, it doesn't accrue or carry over. Most years I lose it. I used a week in 1998 for chicken pox, three days in 2015 because I was on IV antibiotics and they didn't want me in the office with an IV in my arm, and a week this year for a ruptured appendix. The only other sick time I've used in 33 years is to attend medical appointments.
I'm not going to use sick time if I'm not sick, and I rarely am.
Yeah I booked mine on Saturday morning just in case I wasn't feeling well enough to work or needed a nap after. And we actually did miss a "fun activity" - stayed home from the cottage for the same reason.
I had no opportunity to "book" anything. That's not the way it was rolled out in NM. You get a text from the NMDOH and they tell you to be at this place, at this time as your vaccination is ready. It's open now to make your own appointments, but that was not the case when I got mine. Your appointment came via text and if you missed it, you back into the pool.
I took sick time for the afternoon because my shot was at 1 and I didn't know if there would be a reaction or not...and it happened to be a Friday, so that was nice. I would have done the same if it was a Tuesday.
I swear, some of you sound like "I walked 20 miles in the snow both ways" people...get over yourselves.14 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
How high is that horse you're on? Don't fall now...5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »It's getting pretty hot again in Tucson. I ate out around 10 days ago inside for the first time since the Pandemic (I'm fully vaccinated). I was completely opposed to eating inside during the pandemic being unvaxed.
Well, this past weekend, for the entire weekend, I felt like I was fighting off a flu. No fever, but close to it, with a headache all weekend. Also felt seriously drained. Earlier in the week, I also had pink eye like symptoms in my left eye for two days and some diarrhea.
Once Monday hit, I was fine. Felt great. I'm convinced that if I hadn't been vaccinated, I would been pretty sick. Also makes me feel really grateful that we ate outside all of last year, no matter how brutally hot it was. That's the only time I could have possibly gotten anything because I'm masked all the time.
Mike, do you think that you had a mild case of COVID due to eating inside a restaurant? How crowded was the place, and what about ventilation?
I live in the southern CA desert and our temps are getting very high already. We had between 105F to 109F last week, including the weekend, and the same for this coming weekend. My husband and I (fully vaccinated since the end of February), had lunch inside Panera about two weeks ago because the outdoor tables were not very shaded. We had no problem because the place was not crowded (lots of people doing take out), and the tables were very much apart. Masks were worn by everybody. That was the first time that we ate indoors since February 2020.
This past Sunday we went to another restaurant and we managed to find an outdoor table placed under an umbrella. However, we felt that it was getting hot even in the shade and we ate pretty fast. I don't think that as the temps stay in the upper 100s we will be able to eat outdoors again, and since on 6/15 California will probably make masks "recommended," and social distance not so stringent, we are concerned about spending time in a restaurant or any indoor facility without masks. We had the same problem last year, and I hate to cook
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
To be honest you must work with a group of unicorns because that is not the way it is in most of the real world.
Call me a unicorn then, because that's how I am. I do the exact same thing, book appointments at the beginning or end of the day to minimize lost work time. My first shot was during my vacation time, and the second one is booked for a stat holiday.
I have "use it or lose it" sick time, it doesn't accrue or carry over. Most years I lose it. I used a week in 1998 for chicken pox, three days in 2015 because I was on IV antibiotics and they didn't want me in the office with an IV in my arm, and a week this year for a ruptured appendix. The only other sick time I've used in 33 years is to attend medical appointments.
I'm not going to use sick time if I'm not sick, and I rarely am.
Yeah I booked mine on Saturday morning just in case I wasn't feeling well enough to work or needed a nap after. And we actually did miss a "fun activity" - stayed home from the cottage for the same reason.
I had no opportunity to "book" anything. That's not the way it was rolled out in NM. You get a text from the NMDOH and they tell you to be at this place, at this time as your vaccination is ready. It's open now to make your own appointments, but that was not the case when I got mine. Your appointment came via text and if you missed it, you back into the pool.
I took sick time for the afternoon because my shot was at 1 and I didn't know if there would be a reaction or not...and it happened to be a Friday, so that was nice. I would have done the same if it was a Tuesday.
I swear, some of you sound like "I walked 20 miles in the snow both ways" people...get over yourselves.
I didn't mean for it to sound that way.
I absolutely think that it is appropriate to book the day/afternoon off in case of a reaction.3 -
Re: "Yeah, in my experience, that "use any excuse" thing is far from universal."
Of course it's not universal. I haven't taken all (or even most of, or in some years more than a couple of days of) my vacation in forever and I never take sick days. But claiming no one games the system seems unrealistic. That said, I think many people planned time off in case of bad reactions (I know several people who planned time off in advance in case) and that doesn't say whether they had them or not (I do think plenty of people did have minor-ish bad reactions, including me, and I worked but didn't work out and I enjoy working out). But if I hadn't ended up having things I absolutely had to do on that Friday after, I would have taken it off.
It's definitely not universal, but it most definitely happens. My organization consists of 135 people which is the smallest I've ever worked for. We strongly encouraged employees to take their sick time if they had it available on the days they received their shots just in case, and the vast majority did.
We didn't have anywhere close to 1/3 or our organization call in after their shot saying that they weren't feeling well....that would have been about 44/45 people. As I recall, we've had about 10-12 that have said they didn't feel well enough to come to work...mostly headache and/or fatigue. I know of at least three that I would say it is about a 90% probability of being utter BS due to past history, but not enough there to actually do anything more than have them on a "watch close" list.
I have to say though...I don't really understand the "martyrdom" of not using paid time off which is part of one's benefit package, especially if it's use it or lose it. I use mine...I try to keep a bank of 3 weeks vacation and 2 weeks of sick just incase something happens, but otherwise I have no qualms using a benefit that is part of my compensation package. We have a few people that rarely take any time off and it's easy to see that it wears them down...they would be better and more productive if they took some time off for themselves. I am impressed by people getting their stuff done, not necessarily by having a butt in a seat every single day.16 -
kshama2001 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
I've been meaning to comment on this tangent for some time.
My partner is about as far from a hypochondriac as you can get, and is unemployed, so has no psychological or employment reason to have a vaccine reaction. Yet, he was slammed by fatigue about 24 hours after his shot.
I think he had a stronger reaction than I did, and I am far more suggestible than he is.
Plenty of people have had reactions, and it seems variable. A friend of mine felt bad for a day after the first shot when he's someone who expected to have no reaction, and since everyone had told him they had no reaction of significance to the first shot (including me). He had almost no reaction to the second (which some think suggests prior covid). I had no reaction to the first, but felt tired and a little sore and like I was getting sick after the second.
I certainly don't think everyone is making it up, but I do know many people who scheduled days off in advance because of the likelihood they would not feel up to it.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Re: "Yeah, in my experience, that "use any excuse" thing is far from universal."
Of course it's not universal. I haven't taken all (or even most of, or in some years more than a couple of days of) my vacation in forever and I never take sick days. But claiming no one games the system seems unrealistic. That said, I think many people planned time off in case of bad reactions (I know several people who planned time off in advance in case) and that doesn't say whether they had them or not (I do think plenty of people did have minor-ish bad reactions, including me, and I worked but didn't work out and I enjoy working out). But if I hadn't ended up having things I absolutely had to do on that Friday after, I would have taken it off.
It's definitely not universal, but it most definitely happens. My organization consists of 135 people which is the smallest I've ever worked for. We strongly encouraged employees to take their sick time if they had it available on the days they received their shots just in case, and the vast majority did.
We didn't have anywhere close to 1/3 or our organization call in after their shot saying that they weren't feeling well....that would have been about 44/45 people. As I recall, we've had about 10-12 that have said they didn't feel well enough to come to work...mostly headache and/or fatigue. I know of at least three that I would say it is about a 90% probability of being utter BS due to past history, but not enough there to actually do anything more than have them on a "watch close" list.
I have to say though...I don't really understand the "martyrdom" of not using paid time off which is part of one's benefit package, especially if it's use it or lose it. I use mine...I try to keep a bank of 3 weeks vacation and 2 weeks of sick just incase something happens, but otherwise I have no qualms using a benefit that is part of my compensation package. We have a few people that rarely take any time off and it's easy to see that it wears them down...they would be better and more productive if they took some time off for themselves. I am impressed by people getting their stuff done, not necessarily by having a butt in a seat every single day.
I think my work is a bit unsual. We only have 7 people in our office, are flexible to work in or out of the office, and we track our own hours. No one would even know and/or care if I took the afternoon off. As long as we get our work done no one is keeping track of how or when we do that.
Because of Covid and lockdowns (that limited the number of people in the office) I went in every Sunday from Jan-May and am taking every Monday and Friday off Jul-Sep for lieu time and vacation. I'm guessing not everyone has that kind of flexibility.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
How high is that horse you're on? Don't fall now...
If you think that being motivated by one’s job or defending coworkers when others suggest they’re lazy liars puts one on a high horse, then sure. My horse is high by your standards. If that’s really the case, I’m just going to bow out of this conversation so you can continue living in your world of unmotivated liars and making snide comments to strangers, I’d rather not be a part of that one. I came here to discuss covid and participate in the previous subject of how many people experience reactions to the vaccine, not to be called a unicorn or a high-horse-rider for being motivated by my job or defending and liking my coworkers, who incidentally are also motivated by their jobs. I have appreciated the various viewpoints and perspectives in this discussion, but these kinds of remarks make me want to stay in unicorn land. At least people are respectful there.
Congratulations on making me cry, though. You must feel so much better about yourself.11 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
How high is that horse you're on? Don't fall now...
If you think that being motivated by one’s job or defending coworkers when others suggest they’re lazy liars puts one on a high horse, then sure. My horse is high by your standards. If that’s really the case, I’m just going to bow out of this conversation so you can continue living in your world of unmotivated liars and making snide comments to strangers, I’d rather not be a part of that one. I came here to discuss covid and participate in the previous subject of how many people experience reactions to the vaccine, not to be called a unicorn or a high-horse-rider for being motivated by my job or defending and liking my coworkers, who incidentally are also motivated by their jobs. I have appreciated the various viewpoints and perspectives in this discussion, but these kinds of remarks make me want to stay in unicorn land. At least people are respectful there.
Congratulations on making me cry, though. You must feel so much better about yourself.
I'm very motivated by my job...I didn't get to being the CFO out of any lack of motivation or hard work. Talking about how you never take time off because you're just that hard of a worker is being on a high horse...as if people who use something that is a part of their benefits package aren't hard workers. That is literally the definition of "high horse". I proposed a scenario in which people could and do abuse the system...it's not some kind of remote possibility, it happens all the time...then you went off on how lazy I am or my employees are when I was simply putting out a very real world scenario.
I wasn't implying that everyone out there games the system...most employees are good and I believe most people want to work and work hard, but people do game and/or milk the system all the time. I've never been in any workplace that it doesn't happen. In my current employ we have 135 people...is it realistic at all that every single one of those is just a model employee that would never resort to lying about being sick? I think that would be incredibly naïve. Previous to this I worked in a place with thousands...I don't think you'll find anywhere with thousands of employees who are all just perfect model employees. I didn't make the unicorn comment, but that's where it comes from. It's utterly unrealistic to think everyone is just perfect. Most are great, but there are plenty of bad apples too.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
How high is that horse you're on? Don't fall now...
If you think that being motivated by one’s job or defending coworkers when others suggest they’re lazy liars puts one on a high horse, then sure. My horse is high by your standards. If that’s really the case, I’m just going to bow out of this conversation so you can continue living in your world of unmotivated liars and making snide comments to strangers, I’d rather not be a part of that one. I came here to discuss covid and participate in the previous subject of how many people experience reactions to the vaccine, not to be called a unicorn or a high-horse-rider for being motivated by my job or defending and liking my coworkers, who incidentally are also motivated by their jobs. I have appreciated the various viewpoints and perspectives in this discussion, but these kinds of remarks make me want to stay in unicorn land. At least people are respectful there.
Congratulations on making me cry, though. You must feel so much better about yourself.
I'm very motivated by my job...I didn't get to being the CFO out of any lack of motivation or hard work. Talking about how you never take time off because you're just that hard of a worker is being on a high horse...as if people who use something that is a part of their benefits package aren't hard workers. That is literally the definition of "high horse". I proposed a scenario in which people could and do abuse the system...it's not some kind of remote possibility, it happens all the time...then you went off on how lazy I am or my employees are when I was simply putting out a very real world scenario.
I wasn't implying that everyone out there games the system...most employees are good and I believe most people want to work and work hard, but people do game and/or milk the system all the time. I've never been in any workplace that it doesn't happen. In my current employ we have 135 people...is it realistic at all that every single one of those is just a model employee that would never resort to lying about being sick? I think that would be incredibly naïve. Previous to this I worked in a place with thousands...I don't think you'll find anywhere with thousands of employees who are all just perfect model employees. I didn't make the unicorn comment, but that's where it comes from. It's utterly unrealistic to think everyone is just perfect. Most are great, but there are plenty of bad apples too.
I'm not really following the "game the system" thing.
You seemed to be implying that people who booked time off but didn't have a reaction were somehow doing something wrong. But then you said you did exactly that? I'm really not following the point you are making tbh.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I have to say though...I don't really understand the "martyrdom" of not using paid time off which is part of one's benefit package, especially if it's use it or lose it. I use mine...I try to keep a bank of 3 weeks vacation and 2 weeks of sick just incase something happens, but otherwise I have no qualms using a benefit that is part of my compensation package. We have a few people that rarely take any time off and it's easy to see that it wears them down...they would be better and more productive if they took some time off for themselves. I am impressed by people getting their stuff done, not necessarily by having a butt in a seat every single day.
For me, it's sick time and, as such, it would be necessary for me to lie and say that I'm too unwell to come to work. It's not acceptable to call in and say that I'm using my paid benefits.
I get eight weeks vacation and I use it (can't carry over or get paid out). For a couple years when they changed the vacation accrual system I got ten weeks each year and I used all of that too. It's not that I don't get or take time off, it's that I rarely get sick. Although I've burned more than half my time already this year a) being genuinely sick b) having Covidesque symptoms, without an alternate diagnosis, that prohibited going to the office c) attending numerous medical appointments.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
How high is that horse you're on? Don't fall now...
If you think that being motivated by one’s job or defending coworkers when others suggest they’re lazy liars puts one on a high horse, then sure. My horse is high by your standards. If that’s really the case, I’m just going to bow out of this conversation so you can continue living in your world of unmotivated liars and making snide comments to strangers, I’d rather not be a part of that one. I came here to discuss covid and participate in the previous subject of how many people experience reactions to the vaccine, not to be called a unicorn or a high-horse-rider for being motivated by my job or defending and liking my coworkers, who incidentally are also motivated by their jobs. I have appreciated the various viewpoints and perspectives in this discussion, but these kinds of remarks make me want to stay in unicorn land. At least people are respectful there.
Congratulations on making me cry, though. You must feel so much better about yourself.
I'm very motivated by my job...I didn't get to being the CFO out of any lack of motivation or hard work. Talking about how you never take time off because you're just that hard of a worker is being on a high horse...as if people who use something that is a part of their benefits package aren't hard workers. That is literally the definition of "high horse". I proposed a scenario in which people could and do abuse the system...it's not some kind of remote possibility, it happens all the time...then you went off on how lazy I am or my employees are when I was simply putting out a very real world scenario.
I wasn't implying that everyone out there games the system...most employees are good and I believe most people want to work and work hard, but people do game and/or milk the system all the time. I've never been in any workplace that it doesn't happen. In my current employ we have 135 people...is it realistic at all that every single one of those is just a model employee that would never resort to lying about being sick? I think that would be incredibly naïve. Previous to this I worked in a place with thousands...I don't think you'll find anywhere with thousands of employees who are all just perfect model employees. I didn't make the unicorn comment, but that's where it comes from. It's utterly unrealistic to think everyone is just perfect. Most are great, but there are plenty of bad apples too.
I'm not really following the "game the system" thing.
You seemed to be implying that people who booked time off but didn't have a reaction were somehow doing something wrong. But then you said you did exactly that? I'm really not following the point you are making tbh.
No, I'm talking about people getting a shot and later calling in saying they aren't well when in fact they are fine but the excuse is convenient and believable vs say...calling in sick the day after the superbowl. Gaming maybe not the right word...milking it may be a better term. People who took time off just in case were pre-approved for their vaccination day and that's fine. I'm talking about the one's who call in the next day or two. Most definitely some of those are valid, but some people also milk the system when they can.
The OP said that about 1/3 of her office had negative reactions and called in sick after the fact and I pointed out that perhaps some of them were using it as an excuse to take extra time off and maybe all of them weren't in fact having any ill effects. It happens...and then she went on going about how everyone at her office is the perfect employee and that would never happen and I've frankly never seen that anywhere I've worked.
Adverse reactions to COVID vaccinations do give people an excuse to call in later and say they aren't well...not saying it's everyone, just that it happens. 1/3 of my organization would be about 45 people calling in the day after saying they aren't well and I just haven't seen that at my office, and if I did I would personally be skeptical that every single one of them was really under the weather and not just wanting to take a day off. That's all I'm saying.
I've been in executive management for 17 years and I've seen all manner of these kinds of things going on. Again, most people are good...some people aren't. I haven't seen that level of call in at my office for any kind of adverse reaction, so to me, 1/3 of an organization sounds like a whole lot of people, particularly when none of my family and friends have really had anything, and only a handful at my office called in later for a headache or fatigue. Just from my own experience, 1/3 of a organization coming down with symptoms needing to stay at home sick from the vaccine seems like a lot and it would make me skeptical...but again, I've seen a lot of nonsense in 17 years.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
How high is that horse you're on? Don't fall now...
If you think that being motivated by one’s job or defending coworkers when others suggest they’re lazy liars puts one on a high horse, then sure. My horse is high by your standards. If that’s really the case, I’m just going to bow out of this conversation so you can continue living in your world of unmotivated liars and making snide comments to strangers, I’d rather not be a part of that one. I came here to discuss covid and participate in the previous subject of how many people experience reactions to the vaccine, not to be called a unicorn or a high-horse-rider for being motivated by my job or defending and liking my coworkers, who incidentally are also motivated by their jobs. I have appreciated the various viewpoints and perspectives in this discussion, but these kinds of remarks make me want to stay in unicorn land. At least people are respectful there.
Congratulations on making me cry, though. You must feel so much better about yourself.
I'm very motivated by my job...I didn't get to being the CFO out of any lack of motivation or hard work. Talking about how you never take time off because you're just that hard of a worker is being on a high horse...as if people who use something that is a part of their benefits package aren't hard workers. That is literally the definition of "high horse". I proposed a scenario in which people could and do abuse the system...it's not some kind of remote possibility, it happens all the time...then you went off on how lazy I am or my employees are when I was simply putting out a very real world scenario.
I wasn't implying that everyone out there games the system...most employees are good and I believe most people want to work and work hard, but people do game and/or milk the system all the time. I've never been in any workplace that it doesn't happen. In my current employ we have 135 people...is it realistic at all that every single one of those is just a model employee that would never resort to lying about being sick? I think that would be incredibly naïve. Previous to this I worked in a place with thousands...I don't think you'll find anywhere with thousands of employees who are all just perfect model employees. I didn't make the unicorn comment, but that's where it comes from. It's utterly unrealistic to think everyone is just perfect. Most are great, but there are plenty of bad apples too.
I'm not really following the "game the system" thing.
You seemed to be implying that people who booked time off but didn't have a reaction were somehow doing something wrong. But then you said you did exactly that? I'm really not following the point you are making tbh.
No, I'm talking about people getting a shot and later calling in saying they aren't well when in fact they are fine but the excuse is convenient and believable vs say...calling in sick the day after the superbowl. Gaming maybe not the right word...milking it may be a better term. People who took time off just in case were pre-approved for their vaccination day and that's fine. I'm talking about the one's who call in the next day or two. Most definitely some of those are valid, but some people also milk the system when they can.
The OP said that about 1/3 of her office had negative reactions and called in sick after the fact and I pointed out that perhaps some of them were using it as an excuse to take extra time off and maybe all of them weren't in fact having any ill effects. It happens...and then she went on going about how everyone at her office is the perfect employee and that would never happen and I've frankly never seen that anywhere I've worked.
Adverse reactions to COVID vaccinations do give people an excuse to call in later and say they aren't well...not saying it's everyone, just that it happens. 1/3 of my organization would be about 45 people calling in the day after saying they aren't well and I just haven't seen that at my office, and if I did I would personally be skeptical that every single one of them was really under the weather and not just wanting to take a day off. That's all I'm saying.
I've been in executive management for 17 years and I've seen all manner of these kinds of things going on. Again, most people are good...some people aren't. I haven't seen that level of call in at my office for any kind of adverse reaction, so to me, 1/3 of an organization sounds like a whole lot of people, particularly when none of my family and friends have really had anything, and only a handful at my office called in later for a headache or fatigue. Just from my own experience, 1/3 of a organization coming down with symptoms needing to stay at home sick from the vaccine seems like a lot and it would make me skeptical...but again, I've seen a lot of nonsense in 17 years.
Got it.
Yeah I wouldn't say that I work with perfect people, but I work with professionals in their 40's through 60's so the idea that one of them would lie about being sick to take a day off just doesn't make sense to me. It seems like something teenagers who work at McDonalds would do.
But then as I said my work is super flexible so if someone wanted to take a day off for any random reason no one would really care anyway - we don't track our time that way it is cumulative for the whole year and we self track so it's a totally different scenario. (My employment contract specifies a minimum number of hours I have to work for the year - hours per day/week vary by seasonal work load.)
I've worked this way for 12 years so the idea that grown adults have employers that are so restrictive that they have to lie to get a day off seems kind of foreign to me. I took last Friday afternoon off just because I felt like it. Maybe the OP's work structure is more like mine.4 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
How high is that horse you're on? Don't fall now...
If you think that being motivated by one’s job or defending coworkers when others suggest they’re lazy liars puts one on a high horse, then sure. My horse is high by your standards. If that’s really the case, I’m just going to bow out of this conversation so you can continue living in your world of unmotivated liars and making snide comments to strangers, I’d rather not be a part of that one. I came here to discuss covid and participate in the previous subject of how many people experience reactions to the vaccine, not to be called a unicorn or a high-horse-rider for being motivated by my job or defending and liking my coworkers, who incidentally are also motivated by their jobs. I have appreciated the various viewpoints and perspectives in this discussion, but these kinds of remarks make me want to stay in unicorn land. At least people are respectful there.
Congratulations on making me cry, though. You must feel so much better about yourself.
I'm very motivated by my job...I didn't get to being the CFO out of any lack of motivation or hard work. Talking about how you never take time off because you're just that hard of a worker is being on a high horse...as if people who use something that is a part of their benefits package aren't hard workers. That is literally the definition of "high horse". I proposed a scenario in which people could and do abuse the system...it's not some kind of remote possibility, it happens all the time...then you went off on how lazy I am or my employees are when I was simply putting out a very real world scenario.
I wasn't implying that everyone out there games the system...most employees are good and I believe most people want to work and work hard, but people do game and/or milk the system all the time. I've never been in any workplace that it doesn't happen. In my current employ we have 135 people...is it realistic at all that every single one of those is just a model employee that would never resort to lying about being sick? I think that would be incredibly naïve. Previous to this I worked in a place with thousands...I don't think you'll find anywhere with thousands of employees who are all just perfect model employees. I didn't make the unicorn comment, but that's where it comes from. It's utterly unrealistic to think everyone is just perfect. Most are great, but there are plenty of bad apples too.
I'm not really following the "game the system" thing.
You seemed to be implying that people who booked time off but didn't have a reaction were somehow doing something wrong. But then you said you did exactly that? I'm really not following the point you are making tbh.
No, I'm talking about people getting a shot and later calling in saying they aren't well when in fact they are fine but the excuse is convenient and believable vs say...calling in sick the day after the superbowl. Gaming maybe not the right word...milking it may be a better term. People who took time off just in case were pre-approved for their vaccination day and that's fine. I'm talking about the one's who call in the next day or two. Most definitely some of those are valid, but some people also milk the system when they can.
The OP said that about 1/3 of her office had negative reactions and called in sick after the fact and I pointed out that perhaps some of them were using it as an excuse to take extra time off and maybe all of them weren't in fact having any ill effects. It happens...and then she went on going about how everyone at her office is the perfect employee and that would never happen and I've frankly never seen that anywhere I've worked.
Adverse reactions to COVID vaccinations do give people an excuse to call in later and say they aren't well...not saying it's everyone, just that it happens. 1/3 of my organization would be about 45 people calling in the day after saying they aren't well and I just haven't seen that at my office, and if I did I would personally be skeptical that every single one of them was really under the weather and not just wanting to take a day off. That's all I'm saying.
I've been in executive management for 17 years and I've seen all manner of these kinds of things going on. Again, most people are good...some people aren't. I haven't seen that level of call in at my office for any kind of adverse reaction, so to me, 1/3 of an organization sounds like a whole lot of people, particularly when none of my family and friends have really had anything, and only a handful at my office called in later for a headache or fatigue. Just from my own experience, 1/3 of a organization coming down with symptoms needing to stay at home sick from the vaccine seems like a lot and it would make me skeptical...but again, I've seen a lot of nonsense in 17 years.
Got it.
Yeah I wouldn't say that I work with perfect people, but I work with professionals in their 40's through 60's so the idea that one of them would lie about being sick to take a day off just doesn't make sense to me. It seems like something teenagers who work at McDonalds would do.
But then as I said my work is super flexible so if someone wanted to take a day off for any random reason no one would really care anyway - we don't track our time that way it is cumulative for the whole year and we self track so it's a totally different scenario. (My employment contract specifies a minimum number of hours I have to work for the year - hours per day/week vary by seasonal work load.)
I've worked this way for 12 years so the idea that grown adults have employers that are so restrictive that they have to lie to get a day off seems kind of foreign to me. I took last Friday afternoon off just because I felt like it. Maybe the OP's work structure is more like mine.
Our issue is that my organization distinguishes between sick and annual leave. There are some people who would rather use their sick leave than burn annual leave to stay and home and hang out. We have a very generous leave policy in terms of hours people can take off but some people want to hoard their annual (vacation) leave and use sick leave for anything under the sun. Part of that is because annual leave is mandatory payout if fired or they quit, while sick leave just accumulates into oblivion with no payout...basically, it's not worth cash money if someone decides to quit. I would love that to change, but it's well above my pay grade at the moment. If it were me, it would just be one pool of PTO and could be used in any manner you wish. As it is, annual leave can be used for anything, but sick leave can only be used for being sick or caring for a dependent who is sick...so some people fake sick for a day off. I'm 47 and some of these people are in their 50s and 60s...so definitely not teenage McDonalds workers. They don't have to lie...they just do.
We fired a few people during this COVID thing because we had a policy for out of state travel that you had to quarantine upon return. We had a few lie about it and say they were just taking some time at home and then they posted stuff on Insta, twitter, and FB that said otherwise and came into the office. This was at the height of our infection rates with a no tolerance policy in place. Their reasons were largely political and "you can't tell me what to do" kind of thing.6 -
SummerSkier wrote: »Yes the US Shingles vaccine is a 2 shot series and it is one of the tougher ones. Shingrix I believe. The pharmacy who gave me the shot even noted that was common. But for me the symptoms were 48 hrs max with both shots. The fever was also shorter than the 2nd Pfizer. I was really reluctant to take the 2nd one but I figured I was halfway there so I did. My arm got extremely sore overnight and about 24 hrs in (at work) I started chills and sweats (fever) so I went home. This was before covid protocols. I was fine the next day.
@SModa61 I know you said you did not have a reaction but I recall you got very sick that day your husband went sailing. ???
I had an immediate reaction to the 2nd vaccine. The EMT called it an anxiety reaction and physically my heart rate soared within a few minutes of the shot like someone had given me an adrenilin shot. If it had kept going I would have probably passed out in my car. I felt off for 2 days and had a fever at the 24 hr mark. Since I was working remote I did not take any official time off.
@summerskier Your memory made me look up what I wrote you after my second shot. You are right I was not feeling great, but there was more to the story so that is likely why I don't remember it being much to be blamed on the vaccination, though I do believe it added to my "offness". In contrast, how crappy hubby felt had no other explanation than the vaccine.
This is what I wrote a day or so after: "So me and vaccine day...... well we tried to make the most of the drive to key west by making a day of it. We started with a half day sail that was a gift from our kids for XXXXX's 60th birthday. Well I was sick within 15 minutes of setting sail. Just what I needed that day. They changed course and I eventually felt better, but better is still relative. We get off the boat and my stomach is now off AND I am hungry. But we head to CVS to see if they will take us early and they do, so we were vaccinated around 2:30 on Wednesday. By this point, I am feeling really crappy. I apparently had caffiene withdrawl kicking in on top of everything else. We head for an early dinner because I needed something to settle my stomach. I ordered nachos as the carb loaded option sounded appealing. Well out came a roughly 3 lb platter that could feed a group of football players. By the time I got home, I headed straight to bed. Thursday, i felt crappy. Low temp, continued upset stomach and body aches. Yesterday "I don't care" eating. argh. I hate seeing my bad behaviors creep back in and they have this entire past week. "
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cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think adverse reactions are relatively rare. Everyone I know personally is fully vaccinated and not a single one of them had anything more than a sore arm like they would with any other shot.
Judging by work hour logging at my workplace, roughly a third of all vaccinated employees have taken some sick leave (either partial day or a full day) after their vaccination. Based on that, I don’t think it’s ”rare”.
Yeah, nobody would ever think to use that as an excuse to take some time off work? I took a half day off as well mostly as a "just in case" and I was totally fine...and it was a Friday sooooo...
How many of these people skipped some other fun activity? I bet it wasn't 1/3. I also wouldn't call a headache and fatigue for a day a particularly adverse reaction...which seems to be the most common complaint from people who've had some kind of issue after the vaccine.
To be honest, I find it quite disrespectful of you and some others in this thread to imply that either I’m naively stupid or my coworkers are lazy liars who take advantage of the situation just to skip work. I have access to everyone’s hour logs, including comments, which clearly state the symptoms they had, and I know these people personally. You don’t. Many have also complained about ruined weekend or evening plans because of vaccine reactions. Don’t know why I’m mentioning this though, since you’ll probably assume they’re just saying that to cover their lies.
Everything is, of course, possible, and workplaces and cultures are different. You just admitted to taking half a day off and starting your weekend early just because you had the convenient excuse of getting vaccinated. At a different job, I might do the same thing. My colleagues just tend to be motivated and committed enough to not do that, and I frequently see evening/weekend hours logged by someone catching up after an absence, even though nobody is expecting or requesting that. Workplaces here are legally required to give pregnant employees paid time off to attend maternity healthcare appointments. I could book them in the middle of the day and take 2-3 hours per appointment to get there, have the appointment and get back. Instead, I voluntarily book them either first thing in the morning or last thing in the afternoon to be efficient, and usually end up covering those hours some other day on the week of the appointment, because I care more about my job and getting everything done than maximising potential paid time off. Most of my colleagues share this mindset, even though nobody is expecting it or pressuring us in any way.
On a different note, the neighboring city (where most of my friends live) opened vaccinations for my age group today - some of my friends booked their appointments at midnight and already received their first shot today. In my city the age group should open next week.
In the last year, 40 percent of employees have called in sick to work when they were not actually sick, up from 35 percent in 2016, according to a new report from CareerBuilder. Women were more likely to take a sick day when they were well – 43 percent compared to 35 percent of men.
https://www.bizjournals.com/bizwomen/news/latest-news/2017/11/more-staffers-calling-in-sick-even-if-theyre-not.html?page=all#:~:text=In the last year, 40 percent of employees have called,to 35 percent of men.
This was from 2017, guessing it's more now.
Now I work in a professional setting where we don't have a limit on sick time (unless it gets to stupid levels). We also don't have anyone doing our work while we are out sick for a few days. We're generally expected to meet due dates whether sick or not. So in our case not a lot calling in sick, you just chug along unless you're on death's door because you're not looking to be working 16 hour days to make up for time spent being sick. Other situations, like in the factory outside my office, lot more calling in sick.2
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