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Wow, masking has dropped way off here.
The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?
I don't really think anyone has a problem with/if people want to continue to mask. People do seem to have some kind of a problem with people who no longer want to mask because they are fully vaccinated and the CDC says you don't have to. I'm far more protected with the vaccine than I ever was with the mask and at this point I don't really see any point in wearing one unless it's required somewhere or requested of me...in which case I have no problem either. I have no problem at all with people wanting to continue wearing a mask...it's their own personal decision. Hell, I know people who wore masks in public long before COVID.
There have already been several comments in here about "why would you take your mask off so soon" and such...as if those of us who no longer are wearing one because we're fully vaccinated are doing something egregious or totally outrageous.17 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
There's a difference between the CDC saying you don't have to wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated and saying that you shouldn't wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated.
The CDC's recommendations are about public health policy. They have determined that the odds of transmission chains developing from the 5% of fully vaccinated people who won't develop full immunity to current variants is not a public health concern. If I happen to be one of those 5% and end up getting exposed and having COVID, it's not a public health issue, because the odds that I'll start a transmission chain are low if I'm in a community where everyone who isn't fully vaccinated is masking up (which I suspect those who aren't fully vaccinated are less likely to do if they've got a crowd of fully vaccinated maskless folk to hide in). But it's still a personal health issue for me.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »Breaking news: AZ vaccine in Australia will only be for over 60's
Pfizer for all under 60's
Changed from 50 as of today.
I presume those under 60 who have already had one dose of AZ still get their 2nd dose though
We (Canada) are giving those who received AZ the option of taking Pfizer or Moderna for their second dose. Everyone I know who got first dose AZ chose to get an mRNA second shot. I guess vaccine science in general supports mixing doses, and the preliminary data on this specific combination is good.
(But we aren't using AZ for first doses for anyone anymore - there was a small cohort of about I believe a million people who received it.)
Also now that we are getting a boatload of Moderna vaccine I suspect that they will start mixing that with those who got Pfizer for the first dose. Because our strategy was to give everyone we could a first dose, we now are getting a bunch of Moderna in time for second shots - but hardly anyone got it for their first.
Everyone I know who went to the public health unit vaccine clinic got Pfizer except me, I got Moderna. The SO got his two days after me (same week) and got Pfizer.
When Ford announced the accelerated second shots in Ontario, in our district we were looking at shortages of Moderna so I thought they might mix mine. So it's interesting to hear now that there's a big influx of Moderna.
When my oldest son got his first (in Toronto) he got Pfizer but they said it just depends what they have that day, some days that same clinic were giving Moderna. We are supposed to be getting I think 7 million Moderna in June so you should be good for your second dose. But yeah since most people got Pfizer for their first dose if they don't mix it it seems like they will have too much Moderna? Idk - I guess that is what happens when they stopped holding the second doses and just used whatever they had for the first.
I got both Pfizer but if they had given me Moderna for my second I honestly wouldn't have cared - I'm sure it would be fine. My neighbour asked my husband which vaccine he got and he didn't even know, he just took what they gave him, lol. Some people are picky though - my son insisted he would only take the Pfizer vaccine - idk why I think they are both basically the same.
Did you have side effects from your first dose? I have the impression that Moderna has more side effects than Pfizer.
My second shot isn't until September 6th and I won't even be eligible to rebook until August 2nd, don't know if that will actually get me an appointment any earlier than what I already have so who knows what the supply will be then.
I had NO side effects whatsoever, other than a day or two of mild tenderness at the injection site if I touched it, which was probably from the injection itself and not the vaccine.
When I gave verbal consent to be vaccinated I was specifically asked "for the Moderna vaccine" so I knew which one it was, plus my emailed "receipt" states the type.
Oh yeah I am sure that my husband was told the type as well he just didn't pay attention to it.
I knew what we were getting.
I read yesterday that everyone is going to be eligible to rebook by June 28 I think they are really pushing to get everyone in sooner. My kids are also early September at this point.
A new wrinkle in the mixed doses I never thought of is travel - people are wondering if they will be considered "fully vaccinated" by international standards.
Yes, I just saw that this morning. Although "eligible to book" and getting a spot quickly are two different things here. I'm not sure how far away appointments are being booked now. My dad was in the first group (80+) and only had to wait two weeks for his new appointment but that's not a big population cohort.
I saw something about international travellers who have been vaccinated with Astra Zeneca not being allowed to enter the US because it's not an approved vaccine so they won't be considered "vaccinated"? Given the popularity of AZ overseas, you'd think that would really hurt tourism.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?
I don't really think anyone has a problem with/if people want to continue to mask. People do seem to have some kind of a problem with people who no longer want to mask because they are fully vaccinated and the CDC says you don't have to.... There have already been several comments in here about "why would you take your mask off so soon" and such...as if those of us who no longer are wearing one because we're fully vaccinated are doing something egregious or totally outrageous.
Yes, that's how I've been interpreting the current comments too. No one objecting to people continuing to wear masks if they want, but instead just saying it's not bad or crazy to be comfortable not wearing one where it's not required. (Most places around here do still require it for shopping, so I wear it for that, and probably would for a while even where it's not -- I wore one in WFs yesterday. But I'm fine with others not wearing one too.)2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
There's a difference between the CDC saying you don't have to wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated and saying that you shouldn't wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated.
The CDC's recommendations are about public health policy. They have determined that the odds of transmission chains developing from the 5% of fully vaccinated people who won't develop full immunity to current variants is not a public health concern. If I happen to be one of those 5% and end up getting exposed and having COVID, it's not a public health issue, because the odds that I'll start a transmission chain are low if I'm in a community where everyone who isn't fully vaccinated is masking up (which I suspect those who aren't fully vaccinated are less likely to do if they've got a crowd of fully vaccinated maskless folk to hide in). But it's still a personal health issue for me.
This is a great explanation of what I'm wanting to say but couldn't put as clearly.
While my risk of getting infected may be very low, it's not zero, and they don't know what the long term affect of getting a slight infection are. It's not important to the community if I get infected now, because I won't need a hospital bed and I won't spread it, but it still matters to me. So I'm still wearing a mask in public indoor spaces, unless it's pretty empty (I've made a late night run to the market and not put on a mask because it was just me and I did self checkout). I'm waiting for data on long term consequences of asymptomatic or mild infections. Vaccination rate is only around 50% where I am.
Having said that, it's totally reasonable for vaccinated people to decide they're done worrying about this. Everyone has different risk thresholds and live in different circumstances. As long as you are not posing a risk to others, we all make wildly different choices about which of the innumerable small risks we face every day we're willing to shrug off, which we're willing to make minor adjustments to avoid, and which push our buttons and we'll go to great lengths to avoid.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?
I don't really think anyone has a problem with/if people want to continue to mask. People do seem to have some kind of a problem with people who no longer want to mask because they are fully vaccinated and the CDC says you don't have to. I'm far more protected with the vaccine than I ever was with the mask and at this point I don't really see any point in wearing one unless it's required somewhere or requested of me...in which case I have no problem either. I have no problem at all with people wanting to continue wearing a mask...it's their own personal decision. Hell, I know people who wore masks in public long before COVID.
There have already been several comments in here about "why would you take your mask off so soon" and such...as if those of us who no longer are wearing one because we're fully vaccinated are doing something egregious or totally outrageous.
I'm sure there's an element here of each of us noticing what we may be more sensitive to, but I *have* seen people having a problem with others continuing to mask.
I can't recall whether it's happened on this thread (quite possibly not), but in real life I've heard/seen people challenging others with "If you believed the CDC when they said a mask would protect you, why don't you believe them now when they say you don't need one if vaccinated? I thought you believed the science." That's been in something pretty close to those words, and the context made it feel a little pushy/pugnacious.
I think it was up-thread a ways, but it may've been on another thread: Someone (maybe @MikePfirrman?) reported being confronted by a complete stranger (!) about why he'd wear a mask if he was already vaccinated, while waiting for an appointment.
I agree that on this thread, in recent posts, it's been the opposite, i.e., the kind of aggressive "why would you stop wearing a mask so soon?". In fact, that's what encouraged me to write my PP, which, after saying I was still wearing a mask indoors with strangers, included the comment:It's a personal choice, though, not something I want to strongly urge on others, let alone hector them about. (Reciprocally, I don't see why anyone who feels differently than I do would feel the need or desire to talk me out of it, either.)
I can accept that your real life social milieu includes no one pressing people to stop wearing masks, once vaccinated. But it's a thing I've seen, more than once, in mine.
P.S. I have zero problem with vaccinated people choosing *not* to wear a mask in public, where that's OK with the business/public rules. It's fine, IMO.9 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
There's a difference between the CDC saying you don't have to wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated and saying that you shouldn't wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated.
The CDC's recommendations are about public health policy. They have determined that the odds of transmission chains developing from the 5% of fully vaccinated people who won't develop full immunity to current variants is not a public health concern. If I happen to be one of those 5% and end up getting exposed and having COVID, it's not a public health issue, because the odds that I'll start a transmission chain are low if I'm in a community where everyone who isn't fully vaccinated is masking up (which I suspect those who aren't fully vaccinated are less likely to do if they've got a crowd of fully vaccinated maskless folk to hide in). But it's still a personal health issue for me.
Understandable...for me it's not.
As I have said before, NM is 75% with at least one vax and 60% fully faxed...that combined with cases over the last 14-15 months puts us pretty close to if not at herd immunity. I'm not living this thing for the rest of my life...I'm moving on. We have 2M people in the entire state and are very rural and even the "city" isn't "the city"...we're moving on.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
There's a difference between the CDC saying you don't have to wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated and saying that you shouldn't wear a mask if you're fully vaccinated.
The CDC's recommendations are about public health policy. They have determined that the odds of transmission chains developing from the 5% of fully vaccinated people who won't develop full immunity to current variants is not a public health concern. If I happen to be one of those 5% and end up getting exposed and having COVID, it's not a public health issue, because the odds that I'll start a transmission chain are low if I'm in a community where everyone who isn't fully vaccinated is masking up (which I suspect those who aren't fully vaccinated are less likely to do if they've got a crowd of fully vaccinated maskless folk to hide in). But it's still a personal health issue for me.
Understandable...for me it's not.
As I have said before, NM is 75% with at least one vax and 60% fully faxed...that combined with cases over the last 14-15 months puts us pretty close to if not at herd immunity. I'm not living this thing for the rest of my life...I'm moving on. We have 2M people in the entire state and are very rural and even the "city" isn't "the city"...we're moving on.
If it sounded like I have a problem with other people who are vaccinated going maskless (assuming they're not violating any laws or requirements of property owners whose property they're on), I don't.
And I've actually been surprised by the speed at which I've started feeling comfortable doing things that I thought would take many more months for me to feel ready for, like eating in restaurants and going to a movie theater.
Of course, all those places have been much emptier than I had expected. Maybe if I arrived and found them back at pre-pandemic levels of crowding, I'd feel differently. But for the time being I'm still wearing my mask in indoor public spaces unless I need it off for eating and drinking. Or nobody's within 25 feet of me, which was easily the case in the movie theater.
It also feels polite to me, with so many people still unvaccinated, to not put the burden on someone who hasn't been able to get vaccinated for whatever reason of wondering whether this maskless person (me) is vaccinated or just a scofflaw (they're still requiring unvaccinated people to wear masks in indoor public spaces here).9 -
https://news.yahoo.com/no-new-lockdowns-biden-promises-201834771.html
This is from the Commander of all USA agencies. If you read the article you will see it was not an emphatic no.
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It seems to be a new kid in the block, so don't throw away your masks yet or get too comfy...
Delta variant will likely become dominant Covid-19 strain in US, CDC chief says
"The Delta variant of Covid-19 is expected to become the dominant strain in the United States, and it's further reason why people need to ramp up the vaccination pace, said the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
In an interview with CNN on Friday, Dr. Rochelle Walensky said that the Delta variant's increased transmissibility could allow it overtake the Alpha variant, first identified in the United Kingdom, in the US in the coming months...."
For the full article, click here: https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/18/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html2 -
Well, with the vaccine now widely available where I live, and California now "open," I'm cool with people masking or not to their own prerogative. It would be nice if the unvaxxed would stay masked but since theres no way to know, people gonna do what they want. I'm still seeing quite a few masked - I'd say a third to half.
I'm now unmasked in less crowded spaces, but still not rushing to crowded venues or theaters any time soon. Still eating on patios. That's my choice. I'll mingle when I'm ready. ✌
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
That is fine but I would'nt trust it too much but you do as you wish of course. If I lived there I wouldn't trust it all and keep cautious for a while longer. Take care. Do what you feel you need to do. I can't see being cautious a bad thing.
You can still take precautions without wearing a mask everywhere. If you're fully vaccinated, you're pretty well protected...far more protected than the mask ever provided in the first place. In NM pretty much nobody is wearing a mask anymore and we were pretty early adopters of the mask mandates. I'm really not sure why we would trust in the science as it evolved with masks and social distancing, etc and then all of a sudden not trust the science when our CDC tells us we don't have to wear a mask if we're fully vaccinated. You either trust the science or you don't.
Like I said, nobody really wears a mask here anymore...but people continue to social distance, wash hands, etc. NM is about 75% with at least one vaccine and 60% fully vaccinated. We are as of right now lifting all restrictions and fully opening July 1 unless something changes between now and a week and a half from now. Between the vaccine and cases, we're pretty much at herd immunity in NM. It's never going to go away completely and it's time to get on with living life.
Fair enough. I maybe don't get it since we didn't need to do the mask etc for more than two weeks. Anyway everyone should do what they feel safe with I guess.1 -
Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?
There is no problem. I said I am ditching the mask where it is not required, and will wear one in places that request or require it without question. If someone else chooses to continue wearing a mask I 100% respect that choice and have no issue with it.
Idk it seems like people are looking for an argument where there isn't one - I just said what I am doing and when questioned gave my reasons for that choice. I am not telling anyone else what they should do.9 -
Mask requirements haven't changed one iota here. Still required in all common areas at work (everywhere outside your personal workspace). Still required in all indoor public places, and I think outdoors if you can't maintain distancing.6
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I've now been to a number of stores since my state of Massachusetts dropped the mask requirement. People at supermarkets and Walmart appear to be 50% or less masked.
However, at Whole Foods last Tuesday there was a much higher mask usage, and I am very curious about this. I wonder if the patrons are just more cautious, or if they are not vaccinated because they are anti-vax/vax hesitant.
Vaccines have been widely available to adults in my state for long enough that anyone who wanted a shot could get a shot, and the people in this store, which is not in a foot-traffic location, are exceedingly unlikely to have barriers such as lack of transportation.
I'll never know for sure, of course, but I suspect it is a combination of some people being more cautious and some being hesitant/anti-vax.4 -
https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/559248-cdc-cant-regulate-cruises-judge
Sounds like bullying is being addressed.0 -
Well, with the vaccine now widely available where I live, and California now "open," I'm cool with people masking or not to their own prerogative. It would be nice if the unvaxxed would stay masked but since theres no way to know, people gonna do what they want. I'm still seeing quite a few masked - I'd say a third to half.
I'm now unmasked in less crowded spaces, but still not rushing to crowded venues or theaters any time soon. Still eating on patios. That's my choice. I'll mingle when I'm ready. ✌
In my area mask usage at the grocery store that I frequent is around 75% still.
At my workplace, they stated vaccinated individuals could not longer wear a mask weeks ago, and the couple of times I've worked from the office since then I'd say mask usage was under 25%. Mask wearing seems to be about a 50/50 mix of those who haven't been vaccinated versus those who have and a still choosing to wear.
I have been eating out once or twice a week now since being fully vaccinated. We still prefer to eat outdoors and the weather has been nice so we'd prefer that even without. Where we have eaten indoors, it's been spaced enough that we've been comfortable. Even during the pandemic, we did eat out at times including indoors where permitted. We chose places that were not busy and wore a mask except when eating.
Outdoors, mask usage is basically non-existent now. I've been starting to go back to some of the busier, narrow trails and beach paths that I've avoided for the most part during the pandemic.4 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Wow, masking has dropped way off here. The governor gave his permission that if you're fully vaccinated, you can go without a mask. I went to the grocery store this a.m. and besides myself, there was 1 other person I saw who was wearing a mask.
I'm not sure I agree or am comfortable about it but what are ya gonna do? I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and see what this new guideline does to our numbers.
I am now fully vaccinated (13 days post second dose) and I am going to ditch the mask as soon as it is allowable wherever I am not required to wear it. Any store I have been in recently still has a sign up telling us to wear one, so of course I do.
Why are you ditching the mask so soon? I wouldn't be if I lived there. You are still at risk of catching it and it's just a mask. Keep as safe as you can if in crowded places with others close to you. Just my thoughts on it unless it makes you feel unwell when using it then why not stay as say as possible for a little longer? Not enough are vaccinated yet.
We have a very high vaccination rate here (75% first dose so far) and I am confident in the science that the vaccines will protect us. Even with only first doses our cases are plummeting here. My family has all been vaccinated (most first and getting second soon) as are all my work colleagues.
I trusted the science as it evolved with masking, vaccines, distancing etc - so when the science also tells me that vaccines are effective and masks are no longer necessary I trust that as well.
The problem is that the delta variant is very infectious and one dose of any vaccine only offers about 30% protection, according to my readings. The only way to have more protection is to have both vaccines.
Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210610/delta-variant-and-covid-19-vaccines-what-to-know
A study conducted in the United Kingdom that was cited by the Biden administration finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the delta variant, which is officially designated B.1.617.2.
Two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, meanwhile, provided about 88% protection. The study is a pre-print and has not yet been peer reviewed. (Click here to learn more about coronavirus variants.)
The info I read is that one does of Pfizer is 94% effective in preventing hospitalization with the Delta variant, and 96% after two doses. I have had two doses - I am as protected as I am going to be at this point. If I do happen to get exposed I am VERY unlikely to need hospitalization or medical care.
I think that the end point of hospitalization rates and deaths is a more important gauge for effectiveness at this point.
I prefer NOT to get exposed. I trust science, I just have a problem these days trusting people... I am fully vaccinated since the end of February, but I don't know if people around me are fully vaccinated too or just faking it so they don't have to wear masks.
Better safe than sorry, and being careful doesn't affect anybody, so what's the problem?
I don't really think anyone has a problem with/if people want to continue to mask. People do seem to have some kind of a problem with people who no longer want to mask because they are fully vaccinated and the CDC says you don't have to. I'm far more protected with the vaccine than I ever was with the mask and at this point I don't really see any point in wearing one unless it's required somewhere or requested of me...in which case I have no problem either. I have no problem at all with people wanting to continue wearing a mask...it's their own personal decision. Hell, I know people who wore masks in public long before COVID.
There have already been several comments in here about "why would you take your mask off so soon" and such...as if those of us who no longer are wearing one because we're fully vaccinated are doing something egregious or totally outrageous.
I'm sure there's an element here of each of us noticing what we may be more sensitive to, but I *have* seen people having a problem with others continuing to mask.
I can't recall whether it's happened on this thread (quite possibly not), but in real life I've heard/seen people challenging others with "If you believed the CDC when they said a mask would protect you, why don't you believe them now when they say you don't need one if vaccinated? I thought you believed the science." That's been in something pretty close to those words, and the context made it feel a little pushy/pugnacious.
I think it varies quite a bit by location. Here, now, it seems pretty live and let live outside, with most stores I've been to still requiring them and people complying. But I've not noticed anyone here giving people a hard time for wearing masks outside, whereas at one point it was not unheard of for people to make comments about not wearing one outside. (And there were endless NextDoor threads about this.) Right around the time the CDC finally acknowledged they weren't needed outside unless in a big group where social distancing wasn't possible, people seemed to mostly collectively decide not to wear them outside. Of course if I'm just walking a short distance between places where they are required, I'll leave it on.
I personally don't care if people mask or not indoors at this point, except I am irritated by anyone who violates posted rules.4 -
Most people here are still masking inside public spaces, although more than half of all county residents are vaccinated (my understanding is that those under 12 are included in the totality/denominator of that calculation, so vaccinated adults should be a higher percentage). Most aren't masking outside, even in busy retail areas. I was in a pedestrian shopping area yesterday, and I walked up to a maskless guy outside who had a sign asking for money (please let's not get sidelined into a discussion about that) and he pulled up his mask before taking the money, which I thought was unnecessary, but totally his decision/right and none of my business. As I was walking away, I realized I had my mask on. I had just come out out of a shop and had forgotten to take it off. He probably put his mask on to mirror me, in case I would be offended if he didn't. 9
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Most people here were abandoning the masks well before things were even letting up and I doubt most are vaccinated sadly. Probably going to continue wearing a mask myself just in case despite having both vaccine doses since I have enough health issues without gambling on this. Also doesn't help that I'm allergic to 95% of cold/flu medications (Guaifenesin allergy)10
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kshama2001 wrote: »I've now been to a number of stores since my state of Massachusetts dropped the mask requirement. People at supermarkets and Walmart appear to be 50% or less masked.
However, at Whole Foods last Tuesday there was a much higher mask usage, and I am very curious about this. I wonder if the patrons are just more cautious, or if they are not vaccinated because they are anti-vax/vax hesitant.
Vaccines have been widely available to adults in my state for long enough that anyone who wanted a shot could get a shot, and the people in this store, which is not in a foot-traffic location, are exceedingly unlikely to have barriers such as lack of transportation.
I'll never know for sure, of course, but I suspect it is a combination of some people being more cautious and some being hesitant/anti-vax.
I noted the same thing here north of boston, but interestingly, my daughter had noted that in the stop and shop near her, it was almost 100% masked while on the same day the S&S near me was at 25-30% masked. Then, I was in whole foods last week (same community as DD's S&S) and yes there was a greater % of masks. Knowing the makeup of the various communities, I attribute the masks to greater caution and/or possible support or statement about masking in general (I should add that I do not see anti vax sentiments in either community). I am in a variety of community facebook groups including my local as well as the one with DD's S&S and whole foods. The conversations in these various community groups are different and contribute to my assumptions. Please note that this is solely an observational comment.
As for myself, yes I am maskless but I keep one in the car for "just in case". What has remained from this past year is my social distancing, especially because I am maskless and do not want to cause stress in others. My personal preference is to maintain my distance while seeing faces. But that is me.6 -
I am in Australia and the only location in my state right now that a mask is required is inside an airport (and on the aircraft) when the airport is open to the general public, but excludes parts of the airport when the general public is not allowed. I wear my mask from the staff carpark into the reception area of the office, but once I go through the office door I remove the mask. While in the non public office space we still have some strict requirements - max number of people as per the density requirements, wipe down communal spaces eg meeting rooms and lunch room after use, hand sanitising on entry / exit, stay home (and get tested) if cold or flu (and anything else that has similar symptoms to covid) until no symptoms and negative result etc.
I am fully vaccinated and it's been many many many months since an active case in my state, but when I am out and about I still make sure I distance where I can, sanitise my hands as often as possible, sanitise my shopping trolley etc, use the check-in codes when mandatory and even when optional. If someone gets in my space, I move myself back or move away.
I would prefer the ad hoc strict quarantine rules didn't apply and prefer the NSW model for lockdowns/quarantine but am not anti mask or anti vaccine and do follow all covid requirements because it isn't about me and I respect everyone's right to be safe and feel safe.
I am looking forward to a short trip to Melbourne in September and another trip to Darwin in October...assuming there are no lockdowns / quarantine requirements...but if there are...I will take the trips another time...it is what it is.
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Based on local and international news a new Covid-19 wave may be forming.
The 4th of July holiday may be additive to the Memorial Day Holiday activities as more and more burn their masks to celebrate vaccines ending the Covid-19 era.1 -
July 1 NM is lifting all government mandated restrictions...100% open...Yay!!!6
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tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »I am in Australia and the only location in my state right now that a mask is required is inside an airport (and on the aircraft) when the airport is open to the general public, but excludes parts of the airport when the general public is not allowed. I wear my mask from the staff carpark into the reception area of the office, but once I go through the office door I remove the mask. While in the non public office space we still have some strict requirements - max number of people as per the density requirements, wipe down communal spaces eg meeting rooms and lunch room after use, hand sanitising on entry / exit, stay home (and get tested) if cold or flu (and anything else that has similar symptoms to covid) until no symptoms and negative result etc.
I am fully vaccinated and it's been many many many months since an active case in my state, but when I am out and about I still make sure I distance where I can, sanitise my hands as often as possible, sanitise my shopping trolley etc, use the check-in codes when mandatory and even when optional. If someone gets in my space, I move myself back or move away.
I would prefer the ad hoc strict quarantine rules didn't apply and prefer the NSW model for lockdowns/quarantine but am not anti mask or anti vaccine and do follow all covid requirements because it isn't about me and I respect everyone's right to be safe and feel safe.
I am looking forward to a short trip to Melbourne in September and another trip to Darwin in October...assuming there are no lockdowns / quarantine requirements...but if there are...I will take the trips another time...it is what it is.
We just flew into Brisbane airport last week and today there it says one of the shops is an exposure site. Just missed it by a few days!1 -
what state are you in tiptoe?
I am in SA and as far as I know there is no mask wearing requirements here outside of quarantine hotels.
But there may be in airports, aircraft etc, I dont know - I havent been to one of them since before Covid
Mask wearing in aged care homes and medical facilities ended on Dec 23rd last year - that I do know, since I work in one.
Dr's still wear one if seeing a patient with cold/flu symptoms (in their car in the car park, such patients are not allowed into the surgery) and the occasional patient wears one by choice2 -
Here in New Zealand, we are still wearing masks on public transport (trains, buses) as well as planes.
We still have no community transmission at the moment, but people who have been making the most of the Aus/NZ travel bubble are asked to keep an eye on the locations of interest, and get tested if they have any symptoms.6 -
So, this is strictly a personal observation. I'm not sure if anyone else is experiencing this among people they know...
Since all of my friends and family are vaccinated, they are starting to venture out to public places a lot more, not wearing a mask when it's not required, socializing with other vaccinated people.
Many of these people have gotten sick lately...not with COVID...but various infections, colds, bacterial and viral things.
I'm wondering if this is the result of more than a year of quarantining and being protected from exposure to ANY germs. Maybe our immune systems are a little messed up.
It makes me want to hang out with snotty children or eat some dirt to start building my tolerance back up.16 -
I think I actually got sick in the past less than I thought and was attributing some allergy things to colds, as I haven't noticed much of a difference this year, even though I don't think I ever got covid and I spent most of the year working from home and socially distancing and wearing a mask.1
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https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210622-australia-struggles-to-quash-persistent-coronavirus-outbreaks
This Delta (former India??) variant is shaping up to make for a long winter in the USA the way it is popping up in states with low vaccination rates.1
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