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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I'm just talking about the real world, and in my area the vaxxed act like their are bulletproof. Only vaxxed people are allowed to go to events, bars or restaurants. Places where they are mingling unmasked..
Since unvaxxed can't even enter a bar or restaurant, they are stuck at home. They are also required to wear a mask when they go shopping, so all around they are low risk of transmission outside of their home. Protesters are rare and not normal activity.
The unvaxxed where I live also go to stores, restaurants, etc. without masks. Walmart is now just recommending unvaccinated customers wear masks. But for the brief time it was a rule, unvaxxed customers still didn't wear a mask. Then again, when Walmart required masks for everyone, people still didn't wear it and nobody enforced the policy anyway.
There really is a wide variety of behavior on this issue. Where I live, they just lifted the mandate to wear masks indoors in public spaces about a week ago, and everywhere I've gone during that time, everybody inside has been wearing a mask.1 -
Question for you all.
So now Pfizer is approved for the 5 - 11 year olds and if I heard/understood correctly, the dosage is reduced (I think a 5th). Now, thinking back to when the vaccines were first released, I swear that I remember discussions on dosage vs the physical characteristics of the recipient. Was it not stated at that time that vaccinations (or at least these vaccinations) did "not work that way" and dosage did not matter whether the individual was 100 lbs or 300 lbs. I have to assume that the current policy of customized dosage is more accurate, but does this not lead us to question if the one-size-fits-all standard for adults might not be adaquate.
What am I missing?
It's not customized. All kids 5-11 get the same dose (my understanding that it's 1/3 the adult/teen dose). What I have heard is that it's about differences in children's immune system functions from adults, not about size.7 -
Question for you all.
So now Pfizer is approved for the 5 - 11 year olds and if I heard/understood correctly, the dosage is reduced (I think a 5th). Now, thinking back to when the vaccines were first released, I swear that I remember discussions on dosage vs the physical characteristics of the recipient. Was it not stated at that time that vaccinations (or at least these vaccinations) did "not work that way" and dosage did not matter whether the individual was 100 lbs or 300 lbs. I have to assume that the current policy of customized dosage is more accurate, but does this not lead us to question if the one-size-fits-all standard for adults might not be adaquate.
What am I missing?
I can't answer specifically, but children aren't just little adults, there are other variables to be considered.
I don't remember seeing anything out there regarding dosage based on size. Considering the vaccine is just posing as a virus to teach your immune system how to fight it, and I've never heard that bigger people are more or less likely to get sick from viruses because it would take a larger amount of the virus in their system to get an immune response, it doesn't seem to me it would matter. Though of course I'm not a doctor
I know they discussed at some point on TWIV that in an effort to get the vaccines out as quickly as was safely possible, they tested to make sure the dosage was "enough" but it was possible that over time we'd find out that you could get away with less. Not sure if that's related or not.
ETA: TWIV has gotten questions asking if a child is 11, should they get the child's dose or wait for their 12th b-day to get the teen dose. They did say that's a question for your pediatrician, if the child is healthy and developing "normally" it probably is something not worth worrying about, just get whichever one is available.
Also Moderna had a much higher dose of active ingredient in their shot than Pfizer. I think the idea is to give the lowest possible dose that triggers an immune response, to minimize adverse effects maybe? Not sure why Moderna felt the need to dose so much higher than Pfizer though.
I had two Pfizer and just gonna hedge my bets and try to get Moderna for my 3rd shot (if and when that is available here.)
It does seem odd that an 11 year old would get 1/3 of the dose of a 12 year old.
(Edit: oops I quoted the wrong post here - this was supposed to be in response to SModa61)2 -
@SModa61 ! After posting I decided to listen to TWIV while I worked and Mondays epi was a Q&A with Dr Daniel Griffith and he talked about this
He said there is an age based development process for the immune system which leads to the dosing differences. A woman said her son is 4 and 1/2 and big for his age so can he get the 5-11 shot early, and he said no, she should wait.7 -
Question for you all.
So now Pfizer is approved for the 5 - 11 year olds and if I heard/understood correctly, the dosage is reduced (I think a 5th). Now, thinking back to when the vaccines were first released, I swear that I remember discussions on dosage vs the physical characteristics of the recipient. Was it not stated at that time that vaccinations (or at least these vaccinations) did "not work that way" and dosage did not matter whether the individual was 100 lbs or 300 lbs. I have to assume that the current policy of customized dosage is more accurate, but does this not lead us to question if the one-size-fits-all standard for adults might not be adaquate.
What am I missing?
I can't answer specifically, but children aren't just little adults, there are other variables to be considered.
I don't remember seeing anything out there regarding dosage based on size. Considering the vaccine is just posing as a virus to teach your immune system how to fight it, and I've never heard that bigger people are more or less likely to get sick from viruses because it would take a larger amount of the virus in their system to get an immune response, it doesn't seem to me it would matter. Though of course I'm not a doctor
I know they discussed at some point on TWIV that in an effort to get the vaccines out as quickly as was safely possible, they tested to make sure the dosage was "enough" but it was possible that over time we'd find out that you could get away with less. Not sure if that's related or not.
ETA: TWIV has gotten questions asking if a child is 11, should they get the child's dose or wait for their 12th b-day to get the teen dose. They did say that's a question for your pediatrician, if the child is healthy and developing "normally" it probably is something not worth worrying about, just get whichever one is available.
Also Moderna had a much higher dose of active ingredient in their shot than Pfizer. I think the idea is to give the lowest possible dose that triggers an immune response, to minimize adverse effects maybe? Not sure why Moderna felt the need to dose so much higher than Pfizer though.
I had two Pfizer and just gonna hedge my bets and try to get Moderna for my 3rd shot (if and when that is available here.)
It does seem odd that an 11 year old would get 1/3 of the dose of a 12 year old.
(Edit: oops I quoted the wrong post here - this was supposed to be in response to SModa61)
The approved Moderna booster is actually a half dose. (They were just talking about this too). I think he said Pfizer is 30-30-30 and Moderna is 100-100-50. But don't quote me on those numbers...4 -
Question for you all.
So now Pfizer is approved for the 5 - 11 year olds and if I heard/understood correctly, the dosage is reduced (I think a 5th). Now, thinking back to when the vaccines were first released, I swear that I remember discussions on dosage vs the physical characteristics of the recipient. Was it not stated at that time that vaccinations (or at least these vaccinations) did "not work that way" and dosage did not matter whether the individual was 100 lbs or 300 lbs. I have to assume that the current policy of customized dosage is more accurate, but does this not lead us to question if the one-size-fits-all standard for adults might not be adaquate.
What am I missing?
I can't answer specifically, but children aren't just little adults, there are other variables to be considered.
I don't remember seeing anything out there regarding dosage based on size. Considering the vaccine is just posing as a virus to teach your immune system how to fight it, and I've never heard that bigger people are more or less likely to get sick from viruses because it would take a larger amount of the virus in their system to get an immune response, it doesn't seem to me it would matter. Though of course I'm not a doctor
I know they discussed at some point on TWIV that in an effort to get the vaccines out as quickly as was safely possible, they tested to make sure the dosage was "enough" but it was possible that over time we'd find out that you could get away with less. Not sure if that's related or not.
ETA: TWIV has gotten questions asking if a child is 11, should they get the child's dose or wait for their 12th b-day to get the teen dose. They did say that's a question for your pediatrician, if the child is healthy and developing "normally" it probably is something not worth worrying about, just get whichever one is available.
Also Moderna had a much higher dose of active ingredient in their shot than Pfizer. I think the idea is to give the lowest possible dose that triggers an immune response, to minimize adverse effects maybe? Not sure why Moderna felt the need to dose so much higher than Pfizer though.
I had two Pfizer and just gonna hedge my bets and try to get Moderna for my 3rd shot (if and when that is available here.)
It does seem odd that an 11 year old would get 1/3 of the dose of a 12 year old.
(Edit: oops I quoted the wrong post here - this was supposed to be in response to SModa61)
The approved Moderna booster is actually a half dose. (They were just talking about this too). I think he said Pfizer is 30-30-30 and Moderna is 100-100-50. But don't quote me on those numbers...
Oh damn - well it is what it is I guess - anything is better than nothing. Happy that my "kids" (adults) all got one of each anyway.
Apparently the dosing schedule makes a difference too with longer spacing actually giving a "better" immune response. My doses were 13 weeks apart so maybe I won on that front.4 -
@SModa61 ! After posting I decided to listen to TWIV while I worked and Mondays epi was a Q&A with Dr Daniel Griffith and he talked about this
He said there is an age based development process for the immune system which leads to the dosing differences. A woman said her son is 4 and 1/2 and big for his age so can he get the 5-11 shot early, and he said no, she should wait.
@kimny72 Thank you so much for the effort and getting me that explanation. There was a reason I asked my question here.
I knew I would get a helpful answer! 3 -
I am not aware of any vaccines that give different amounts based on the size of the recipient (as oppossed to the age of the recipient)
However differences in dosing requirements according to age are not a new thing - several vaccines have an adult and a paediatric version - eg Hep A, Hep B
Flu vaccine also has an over 65's version
and several others have differences in spacing or number of doses required although each dose is not different - eg Gardisil, flu vaccine
of course like all such things there has to be a cut off point - although in reality, obviously it isnt a single point but a gradient.
Meaning, for example, I would never give a 20 year old the over 65's flu vaccine - but if it was all that was available I might give it somebody of 64.4 -
Just curious, regarding the vaccines for 5-11 yo, has anyone heard what kinds of possible side effects it may have??
I'd google but as I've said before, I trust most of you much more than I'd trust random sites. 3 -
Just curious, regarding the vaccines for 5-11 yo, has anyone heard what kinds of possible side effects it may have??
I'd google but as I've said before, I trust most of you much more than I'd trust random sites.
In the trials, they said the kids had similar side effects to many adults...sore arms, headache, fever, but the symptoms were short-lived. As with adults, some had no effects.4 -
Just curious, regarding the vaccines for 5-11 yo, has anyone heard what kinds of possible side effects it may have??
I'd google but as I've said before, I trust most of you much more than I'd trust random sites.
Just to add a personal experience:
My boss's twin 7 yr old boys were in the trial. One had basically no reaction to either shot. The other had a fever starting about 12 hrs after the second shot that lasted about a day. They are both high risk and he was very emotional when he told us they were told this week that they did in fact get the actual vaccine!12 -
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.2 -
I worry about winter and the holidays. Last year we saw a surge in cases and many doctors seem to be concerned that the same thing could happen this year. People are indoors more and are gathering for Thanksgiving, Yule, Christmas, Hanukkah, and other holidays. In many areas (in the US/Europe/Asia), you can't really celebrate outside this time of year. For example, it is currently 28* F where I am.
I really need to sign up for my booster. If I can get in in the next 2 weeks it shouldn't interfere with Thanksgiving too much if I react like I did for shot #2. I need to double check my card though to see what date I got shot #2 and make sure I am 6 months out. I know it is sometime this month, just not sure exactly when.7 -
I worry about winter and the holidays. Last year we saw a surge in cases and many doctors seem to be concerned that the same thing could happen this year. People are indoors more and are gathering for Thanksgiving, Yule, Christmas, Hanukkah, and other holidays. In many areas (in the US/Europe/Asia), you can't really celebrate outside this time of year. For example, it is currently 28* F where I am.
I really need to sign up for my booster. If I can get in in the next 2 weeks it shouldn't interfere with Thanksgiving too much if I react like I did for shot #2. I need to double check my card though to see what date I got shot #2 and make sure I am 6 months out. I know it is sometime this month, just not sure exactly when.
Remember that last winter no one (except trial participants) were vaxxed and this winter lots of people are. I'm sure there are some states and counties where we will again see some horrible numbers, but in places where vaxx numbers are high an outbreak might mean higher cases but not the hospitalization spikes we saw last year.
I'm with you though, I'd like to get a booster before Thanksgiving. I got J&J and I'm still a little confused though if I'm offered the Moderna if I should get a full shot or the booster half shot. Maybe I'll just look for a Pfizer.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.3 -
Got my Moderna booster yesterday PM. Was quite pleased I did not have the same immed reaction I had to my 2nd Pfizer dose where my heart started racing, and I felt strange for hours. And so far I am not yet 24 hrs in, and I could do without the extra grapefruit on my shoulder - probably should ice that. I think all the vaccine must be sitting in my shoulder. He did draw a bit of blood when he gave me the shot...
I chose Moderna even tho I had the Pfizer because I have heard from a few friends about more breakthroughs with Pfizer. It could just be more people have possibly had that but I am talking from group setting outbreaks where the moderna folks did NOT get sick and the Pfizer ones did. 100%. And also a half dose. And also because I had that immed reaction to the 2nd Pfizer etc etc etc..
My friend who got J&J asked their Dr and was told to go Moderna also but not sure if just the booster or full dose. Not sure it matters or if there is even any data on mixing and matching at all.
I just scheduled it at the grocery store and it was in and out. They did not even ask to see my ID or my vax card. I think they just want to get as many folks vaccinated as they can at this point.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Kind of boggles my mind that Germany only has 66% vaccinated.
Here in Ontario we started our vaccines later than most and I think we are pushing 88% of eligible, and 78% of the entire population - hoping that will keep us from having another wave here.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Kind of boggles my mind that Germany only has 66% vaccinated.
Here in Ontario we started our vaccines later than most and I think we are pushing 88% of eligible, and 78% of the entire population - hoping that will keep us from having another wave here.
I hope you're right, but in the UK I believe about 80% of everyone over age 12 has been fully vaccinated and it seems to be at the peak of another wave now.
The important thing is though, as mentioned above, if vaccines take us to a point where case numbers may be high but there are fewer serious hospitalisations and deaths, that's a big benefit.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Now that you realize you're a year behind you can move twice as fast to catch up. :-)3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!
https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Yes, yes you did, Rumpelstiltskin.
Or maybe it's the Freudian way of letting us know we probably want to skip right past 2022 also.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.8 -
The vaccine is out of your system within a couple of weeks. There is absolutely no reason to think that there will be some kind of long term sinister effects. The rNA vaccines have to be kept so cold because they are fragile and break down quickly.
It's viruses that can hide in your body (like the chicken pox) and reemerge in a couple of decades to do more damage.13 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Yep, he practiced general medicine in the 90's and then worked in technology. Now he seems to make a living spreading misinformation on you tube, and teaching other doctors how to do the same. He's had several videos removed by you tube.17 -
The vaccine is out of your system within a couple of weeks. There is absolutely no reason to think that there will be some kind of long term sinister effects. The rNA vaccines have to be kept so cold because they are fragile and break down quickly.
It's viruses that can hide in your body (like the chicken pox) and reemerge in a couple of decades to do more damage.
My father said if you are looking for a bugger bear you are sure to find one. 3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Now that you realize you're a year behind you can move twice as fast to catch up. :-)
So that's double calories burned and more ice cream for me, right? 6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are well stocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Wait, what? Did I fall asleep and miss a year again?
Yes, yes you did, Rumpelstiltskin.
Or maybe it's the Freudian way of letting us know we probably want to skip right past 2022 also.
I'm so afraid you're right.3 -
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar
I never thought I would be reading this kind of headlines as we rush upon 2023.
Thankfully here in Kentucky USA currently there's no limits on gas and other fossil fuel purchases. Grocery stores are welstocked with no purchase limits. Death and hospitalizations had been on a steady decline but that may be about to change.
Huh...I didn't realize that vaccine resistance continues to be such a problem worldwide.
Yes and the reason among health care workers is in part due to the lack scientific data where the net value of COVID-19 vaccines will positive or negative for our health over the next 50-75 years.
In my case before my first Moderna vaccine shot the Covid-19 blood clots side effects almost ended my life.
If I am bitten by a deadly poisonous snake I hope someone breaks the speed limit trying to get me to a place where I can get a shot. I realize that would put me and the others at risk of dying in a car accident but a potential death is easier deal with mentally than a certain death.
Medically I understand long term Covid-19 vaccinations may harm me and shorten my life expectancy. Yet just getting COVID-19 may cause the same risk.
Being 70 and the kids being 24 I wouldn't want to be tying up a ventilator that might save a young person's life.
COVID-19 vaccines I know help manage this Pandemic in the short run so to hades with the long term What Ifs!https://youtu.be/-SYL-iU0E9Q
This is some new research to me.
This Dr is spreading misinformation.
Are you trying to say the study is bad, or his commentary on the research?
You can do better than just throwing out an ad hominem2
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