Students forced to give passwords...
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Those who would give up freedom for safety deserve neither. It negates the point of me and all my brothers and sisters in arms serving to defend those rights most of civilians take for granted. If your child is being bullied and don't tell you, maybe you need to be asking yourself why your child feels they can't talk to you and not teach them that privacy and freedom must be sacrificed so someone can feel "safe". I was bullied growing up. I learned to defend myself and when I needed help I asked for it.
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Those who would give up freedom for safety deserve neither. It negates the point of me and all my brothers and sisters in arms serving to defend those rights most of civilians take for granted. If your child is being bullied and don't tell you, maybe you need to be asking yourself why your child feels they can't talk to you and not teach them that privacy and freedom must be sacrificed so someone can feel "safe". I was bullied growing up. I learned to defend myself and when I needed help I asked for it.Absolutely.0
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The school is responsible for education. Nothing else.0
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Just say no. At least, that's the first step.
When I was in school, we didn't have cell phones or Facebook. But we were warned of adults trying to invade children's privacy. It was of a more sexual nature, of course. And we were taught to say no. In other words, object.
Reading your child's Facebook is not the same as a sexual assault, but it is an invasion of privacy and the motives are similar... although, perhaps more similar to the webcam scandal, when the school was loaning kids laptops with webcams and watching them change and stuff. Whether it's sexual molestation, voyeurism, or reading private journal entries, the motive is the same. They want to be in your child's private life. And the advice is the same. Just say no. If that doesn't work, say it louder.
With each of these things, there is a simple solution. Sexual assault? Kick the perp in the junk. Webcam spying? Put duct tape over the camera. Facebook? The parents have the password and log the kid in. The kid doesn't have the password. They have to direct the school to the parents, who do have the password.0 -
I agree students should never be required to give passwords. Doesn't mean I don't think schools shouldn't be allowed to snoop if they have good reason to, but that still shouldn't require a student to give up a password.
I find macpatti's school's policy interesting - they can ask to see FB and a student can refuse, but clearly many cooperate. I understand that one might not want a school "raising" their child per se, because the U.S. is so diverse that it is impossible to teach a common culture (not talking about basic manners and things like that, which apparently no one teaches a lot of kids these days). However, I find this division - "my child, I raise them!" - starting to push a little too far. Obviously each person wants their child raised with their values, I'm not disputing a person's right to do so, but a lot of responses seem indicative of a bad attitude towards schools. Such an attitude by parents will be seen by their children, and then the children won't respect the school/teachers/etc., and then what is left for schools to do? Many parents aren't parenting and schools aren't allowed to parent, so who the heck is monitoring what kids are doing? Who's teaching them basic ethics and morals? Schools can't be blamed for everything, a lot of what has tied their hands are the squeaky wheels getting greased. Schools and parents need to come together and find some common ground. Neither is totally at fault, and neither is totally blameless.0 -
Why does a 13 year old need a Facebook page? My son is 12 and asked for one and I said NO.
And I can bet you that there is a 50% chance he has one now!0 -
My opinion? Kids under 18 don't need a facebook. They're too young. And yeah, my 13 year old 7th grader doesn't have one, either.0
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My opinion? Kids under 18 don't need a facebook. They're too young. And yeah, my 13 year old 7th grader doesn't have one, either.
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I pre-enrolled my son for Kindergarten yesterday, and I found lot of the questions to be intrusive. For example what dentist do we use, are we migrant workers, can the school nurse call my son's doctor directly...
This helps him with his ABC's how?
My daughter's school nurse demanded records from his doctor's appointment because SHE had diagnosed him and was sure she was right. She was wrong. And my daughter told her it was not her right to have that information and refused to give it to her. Yes, she could have been concerned about his health, but there was no need for concern.0 -
Reading your child's Facebook is not the same as a sexual assault, but it is an invasion of privacy and the motives are similar
Regarding the rest of what you typed, that's just sick individuals with other issues. It's sad that there are these people out there who have access to our children.0 -
IMO thats different, its one thing for a parent to snoop its all whole other beast for some alien body to do it.0
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I agree students should never be required to give passwords. Doesn't mean I don't think schools shouldn't be allowed to snoop if they have good reason to, but that still shouldn't require a student to give up a password.
I find macpatti's school's policy interesting - they can ask to see FB and a student can refuse, but clearly many cooperate. I understand that one might not want a school "raising" their child per se, because the U.S. is so diverse that it is impossible to teach a common culture (not talking about basic manners and things like that, which apparently no one teaches a lot of kids these days). However, I find this division - "my child, I raise them!" - starting to push a little too far. Obviously each person wants their child raised with their values, I'm not disputing a person's right to do so, but a lot of responses seem indicative of a bad attitude towards schools. Such an attitude by parents will be seen by their children, and then the children won't respect the school/teachers/etc., and then what is left for schools to do? Many parents aren't parenting and schools aren't allowed to parent, so who the heck is monitoring what kids are doing? Who's teaching them basic ethics and morals? Schools can't be blamed for everything, a lot of what has tied their hands are the squeaky wheels getting greased. Schools and parents need to come together and find some common ground. Neither is totally at fault, and neither is totally blameless.0 -
My opinion? Kids under 18 don't need a facebook. They're too young. And yeah, my 13 year old 7th grader doesn't have one, either.
That you know of....
You may think they don't have one, good chance they do!0 -
sorry maybe that was the wrong phrase to use, just trying to smart :laugh: oh I do you like your policy at your school.0
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I think that schools are taking things WAY to far these days. I had a bit with my kid's principle for telling my kids what order to eat their food in, and I am talking the food I pack in their lunch boxes, which is none of her damn business to begin with!! Then a first grader (6 years old) was expelled and charged with sexual harassment for singing "I'm sexy and I Know it" at school.. WTF ? all of this is WRONG and it is up to the parents to advocate for our children. If we do not do it, no one will!!0
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We were having a similar situation in Oregon. Job employers were requesting facebook passwords to look at potential employee's private facebook pages. There was a big blowout where Facebook threatened to take legal action because giving out passwords were against their terms of agreement. Its ridiculous.0
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Wow...this is sooo wrong!0
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You may think they don't have one, good chance they do!0
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Not only do I not think teachers have the right, I also don't know why they think they have the need. Facebook hasn't always existed, and bullying certainly hasn't always been confined to schools.
Did teachers follow students home and to the park, in the past, watching over them in case bullying happened somewhere that wasn't their 'territory'? I hope not!0 -
Schools are responsible for educating our children. Not raising them.0
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You may think they don't have one, good chance they do!
I was talking about a 13 year old in this case, most 13 year olds have them and many parents don't know they do.
I've been in IT security most of my life and I do seminars for parents in our HS district "ONline safety and our children" You would be surprised.0 -
Then a first grader (6 years old) was expelled and charged with sexual harassment for singing "I'm sexy and I Know it" at school.. WTF ? all of this is WRONG and it is up to the parents to advocate for our children. If we do not do it, no one will!!0
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a village" all you like but it is the PARENT'S responsibility to raise the children in the manner they choose. NO ONE ELSE has that right. I am so thankful most of my grandchildren are home schooled!!0
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I was talking about a 13 year old in this case, most 13 year olds have them and many parents don't know they do.0
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I was talking about a 13 year old in this case, most 13 year olds have them and many parents don't know they do.
Very true! It's amazing how parents at their friend's house reaaly don't watch what's going on.
Also regarding cellphones. I know at high schools kids can go the phone guy and get a prepaid cellphone no problem. The phone guy use to be the concert ticket guy. lol0 -
It's amazing how parents at their friend's house reaaly don't watch what's going on.0
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Then a first grader (6 years old) was expelled and charged with sexual harassment for singing "I'm sexy and I Know it" at school.. WTF ? all of this is WRONG and it is up to the parents to advocate for our children. If we do not do it, no one will!!
no, I am talking about my school . I am not aware of a story on the news.0 -
The name of the school makes it sound like a public school, which is funded by the government. Time to introduce your kids to the US Constitution and the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments. Private organizations are not so bound.
* Amendment 1 - people have the freedom of speech and press - they can express their opinions.
* Amendment 4 - people may be secure in their houses, papers and persons.
* Amendment 5 - people have the right to not incriminate themselves.
They are not required to divulge the password (protected by 5th amendment as of this writing - subject to change later this year). I would ask the principal for a copy of his warrant.
In searching the Internet, I see this is becoming a common occurence. I think the best policy is for your kids to say nothing except to request the presence of their parents. Be polite, but say nothing except to request the presence of their parents.
I'm sorry this happened to you.
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I guess I'm the odd one out but as far as I'm concerned I'd have no issue with the schools having passwords to my child's fb....it would cut down on all the social bullying plus I want my kids protected and if they want to help keep an extra eye then fine by me. If your child is as " behaved" as you think, why would there be an issue.
We, unfortunately, have found that some of the worst bullies at the school are teachers. Not all, by any means, but there are teachers out there on major power trips. And we all knew who they were.0 -
a village" all you like but it is the PARENT'S responsibility to raise the children in the manner they choose. NO ONE ELSE has that right. I am so thankful most of my grandchildren are home schooled!!
Sometimes I wonder if you possess a lick of common sense. Seriously.0
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