Good news for people who like eating fat!
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blktngldhrt wrote: »I've yet to see a hf thread that didn't end up being a ridiculous debate about something not really related to hf..
It's funny, I hadn't really gathered this was a HF thread (although I've now read the linked article and I guess it is, or specifically a HFLC thread). I'd thought of it as a fun thread for all fat lovers (the macro, of course).0 -
baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
"Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!"
Table sugar is sucrose, is it not?0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »Would you like to coach me and manipulate my strength training and macros? I don't think I would fair well building muscle on a ketogenic caloric deficit, but I do love to take advice from people from people who cannot even implement it themselves.
Based on your photo clearly you are doing fine running your own training. I just posted what one stated how to do strength training and lose weight at the same time.
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baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
I do process pineapple and beets into sugar at home from time to time. So even though the banana is the devil's fruit... I can make it rain crystal with beets.0 -
"We don't tolerate folks who don't tolerate, round these here parts."blktngldhrt wrote: »..saying someone is demonizing something is probably one of the most annoying things I've come across on these boards. since everyone is just nitpicking..
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I've mentioned a bunch of times that I get meat from local farms...
That's definitely not natural.
Luckily I don't care a bit whether something is natural or not.
I also cook the meat.
et tu sushi?
I have to admit that I don't get my sushi from local farms! ;-)
probably for the best !!!
Oh, I wanted to add.
DO NOT eat Izumidai. That's frozen *kitten* tilapia. First rule of sushi club is one does not eat fresh water fish that is uncooked. Second rule of sushi club is to stab anyone who calls it red snapper or tai.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
Ah, insults. The sure sign you have nothing pertinent to say.-1 -
baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
"Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!"
Table sugar is sucrose, is it not?
The discussion was about what is natural not what nutrients table sugar contains. Sucrose found in fruits does not make table sugar natural.-1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Would you like to coach me and manipulate my strength training and macros? I don't think I would fair well building muscle on a ketogenic caloric deficit, but I do love to take advice from people from people who cannot even implement it themselves.
Based on your photo clearly you are doing fine running your own training. I just posted what one stated how to do strength training and lose weight at the same time.
Strength Training =/= Hypertrophy Training while in a deficit. Like I had originally stated.... Neuromuscular adaptations. Getting stronger while in a deficit is one thing, LBM increases is a totally different animal with way more factors involved for that to occur, especially on a noticeable level. Furthermore, the chance that it is all skeletal muscle is even more slim.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Would you like to coach me and manipulate my strength training and macros? I don't think I would fair well building muscle on a ketogenic caloric deficit, but I do love to take advice from people from people who cannot even implement it themselves.
Based on your photo clearly you are doing fine running your own training. I just posted what one stated how to do strength training and lose weight at the same time.
no no you said build muscle and lose fat at the same time was possible for everyone…and that anyone who disagrees was practicing "black magic"…
which coming from you was hilarious, as all of your posts are "voodoo"...0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
"Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!"
Table sugar is sucrose, is it not?
The discussion was about what is natural not what nutrients table sugar contains. Sucrose found in fruits does not make table sugar natural.
Ok, is the below natural sucrose from fruit or "unnatural" table sugar?
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GaleHawkins wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Would you like to coach me and manipulate my strength training and macros? I don't think I would fair well building muscle on a ketogenic caloric deficit, but I do love to take advice from people from people who cannot even implement it themselves.
Based on your photo clearly you are doing fine running your own training. I just posted what one stated how to do strength training and lose weight at the same time.
no no you said build muscle and lose fat at the same time was possible for everyone…and that anyone who disagrees was practicing "black magic"…
which coming from you was hilarious, as all of your posts are "voodoo"...
No, no. You just need to have the right mindset and believe you can put on muscle; then it will happen.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
"Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!"
Table sugar is sucrose, is it not?
The discussion was about what is natural not what nutrients table sugar contains. Sucrose found in fruits does not make table sugar natural.
Ok, is the below natural sucrose from fruit or "unnatural" table sugar?
The FDA does not regulate the "natural" label on foods because there is no actual definition of how it's used in regards to food.0 -
in4 moar fats! 305g isn't enough!
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
"Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!"
Table sugar is sucrose, is it not?
The discussion was about what is natural not what nutrients table sugar contains. Sucrose found in fruits does not make table sugar natural.
Ok, is the below natural sucrose from fruit or "unnatural" table sugar?
Neither. It's a picture.-1 -
baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
I do process pineapple and beets into sugar at home from time to time. So even though the banana is the devil's fruit... I can make it rain crystal with beets.
That's pretty awesome actually.
Sucrose in bananas, and beets, and in Skittles are the same thing. And even though I'm not concerned with the level of processing, table sugar in fact IS a derivation and extraction so it's got more hands on it, so to speak than a piece of untampered with fruit. I'm just saying dropping in here and summoning the sugar demon is inappropriate in this circumstance. What the thread wanted was the "processed" demon. They're falling down on the job with their trolling. There'll be another sugar thread in 2.5 seconds; there isn't any sugar demonizing in here. If you want to find that demon, the summoning ceremony needs to be performed elsewhere for maximum chance of success. I appreciate the ambition though.-1 -
Of course there is the matter of level of processing based on manufacturer. For example, piloncillo is a product that I would consider to be essentially raw. Then you have white sugar from C&H which has gone through a multitude of processes in order to purify the sugar as much as possible.
Does that change the nature of the sucrose being eaten? I'd say no. It does remove any synergists that may be present in the whole fruit/grass/vegetable being used for sugar production. Is that a bad thing? No. Is that a good thing? No. Is that a thing? Yes.
Ultimately, it's not a big deal.0 -
baconslave wrote: »baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
I do process pineapple and beets into sugar at home from time to time. So even though the banana is the devil's fruit... I can make it rain crystal with beets.
That's pretty awesome actually.
Sucrose in bananas, and beets, and in Skittles are the same thing. And even though I'm not concerned with the level of processing, table sugar in fact IS a derivation and extraction so it's got more hands on it, so to speak than a piece of untampered with fruit. I'm just saying dropping in here and summoning the sugar demon is inappropriate in this circumstance. What the thread wanted was the "processed" demon. They're falling down on the job with their trolling. There'll be another sugar thread in 2.5 seconds; there isn't any sugar demonizing in here. If you want to find that demon, the summoning ceremony needs to be performed elsewhere for maximum chance of success. I appreciate the ambition though.
^I love that this was flagged for abuse...
And I forgot my protein shake for breakfast, so I went with a breakfast sandwich instead. Chose sausage, cheese and egg. It was tasty and full of fat. Carbs too since it was on ciabatta; it was a good balance.0 -
baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
"Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!"
Table sugar is sucrose, is it not?
The argument wasn't in the kind of sugar, it was in the level of processing. Table sugar is a refined product of another plant entirely. And while table sugar is sucrose, it isn't banana flesh. So no, crystallized table sugar is not found in fruit. Sucrose is; sugar crystals from cane is not.
How table sugar is made:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MIgavNuBRRA
How fruit is made:
Now that we understand how things work, I leave the argument to whomever cares as to which is better.0 -
baconslave wrote: »baconslave wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.
Sucrose isn't natural? Weird how it's found in all sorts of fruits
Crystalized table sugar is found in fruits?? Do tell!
Sucrose isn't found in fruits? No ignorance there
So you cut open a banana and sugar granules pour out?
I want what you're smoking.
Nobody said there was no sucrose in fruit.
I do process pineapple and beets into sugar at home from time to time. So even though the banana is the devil's fruit... I can make it rain crystal with beets.
That's pretty awesome actually.
Sucrose in bananas, and beets, and in Skittles are the same thing. And even though I'm not concerned with the level of processing, table sugar in fact IS a derivation and extraction so it's got more hands on it, so to speak than a piece of untampered with fruit. I'm just saying dropping in here and summoning the sugar demon is inappropriate in this circumstance. What the thread wanted was the "processed" demon. They're falling down on the job with their trolling. There'll be another sugar thread in 2.5 seconds; there isn't any sugar demonizing in here. If you want to find that demon, the summoning ceremony needs to be performed elsewhere for maximum chance of success. I appreciate the ambition though.
^I love that this was flagged for abuse...
And I forgot my protein shake for breakfast, so I went with a breakfast sandwich instead. Chose sausage, cheese and egg. It was tasty and full of fat. Carbs too since it was on ciabatta; it was a good balance.
Me, too. I giggled inside. Apparently talking about the devil is abusive. Assuming he exists. Or was it me thinking making your own sugar is cool?
Either way, got my genuine laugh for this morning. Thanks flag-stalker.
Your breakfast sounds yummy! I had bacon and deviled eggs. Bacon in the oven and popped the eggs out of a dish in the fridge. I'm seriously lazy this morning.0 -
Yeah, I saw that flag and thought to myself, "Man, the passive aggressive kids should just go to school and gtfo."0
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Of course there is the matter of level of processing based on manufacturer. For example, piloncillo is a product that I would consider to be essentially raw. Then you have white sugar from C&H which has gone through a multitude of processes in order to purify the sugar as much as possible.
Does that change the nature of the sucrose being eaten? I'd say no. It does remove any synergists that may be present in the whole fruit/grass/vegetable being used for sugar production. Is that a bad thing? No. Is that a good thing? No. Is that a thing? Yes.
Ultimately, it's not a big deal.
Precisely.
It is a big deal to some who feel they'd like to get away from what they view as excessive processing. Not a terrible goal. If it works for them. But for me, life is complicated enough without adding the removal of (what I view as) harmless conveniences from my life.0 -
baconslave wrote: »What the thread wanted was the "processed" demon. They're falling down on the job with their trolling.
Hmm. Actually it was the "natural" demon, although that IS related, of course. And I really don't think I'm a troll, given that it was my silly throwaway comment that started this nightmare. It was responsive to something in the thread too, but there were several sugar ones that I was reading at the same time (I'm addicted to sugar threads!), so it's possible I conflated a couple.
Anyway, I agree that this thread should get back to fat. Had any good bacon lately?
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lemurcat12 wrote: »baconslave wrote: »What the thread wanted was the "processed" demon. They're falling down on the job with their trolling.
Hmm. Actually it was the "natural" demon, although that IS related, of course. And I really don't think I'm a troll, given that it was my silly throwaway comment that started this nightmare. It was responsive to something in the thread too, but there were several sugar ones that I was reading at the same time (I'm addicted to sugar threads!), so it's possible I conflated a couple.
Anyway, I agree that this thread should get back to fat. Had any good bacon lately?
Mmm, bacon; something we can all agree on.
Bacon question: so I understand the "point" of uncured bacon, but what is the difference flavor-wise. Anyone know? I've seen it at trader joe's but never picked it up.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »baconslave wrote: »What the thread wanted was the "processed" demon. They're falling down on the job with their trolling.
Hmm. Actually it was the "natural" demon, although that IS related, of course. And I really don't think I'm a troll, given that it was my silly throwaway comment that started this nightmare. It was responsive to something in the thread too, but there were several sugar ones that I was reading at the same time (I'm addicted to sugar threads!), so it's possible I conflated a couple.
Anyway, I agree that this thread should get back to fat. Had any good bacon lately?
I didn't accuse you of trolling. You are keeping up with a rational discussion. I might possibly have maybe insinuated that those who are trying to make this thread out to be one demonizing sugar, by dropping references to that effect, are trolling.
And you are right, I shouldn't have left Mr. Demon Naturale out. He's likely to retaliate. Bad juju.0 -
My husband is a bacon-cheapskate. He only gets the bargain bacon, which is a tragedy.0
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baconslave wrote: »My husband is a bacon-cheapskate. He only gets the bargain bacon, which is a tragedy.
You should teach him to make bacon. Then he'll make bacon for you. I'm making my year's bacon here soon. Going to do half a dry aged, and the other half a normal unsmoked bacon.
IF properly applied. There is a huge difference between a staple like sugar or flour, as compared to a box of hamburger helper, campbell's soup, or gluten free sourdough bread. (I didn't know that was real until a month ago I saw it at Safeway.) Most of the "I can't eat devil foods" is because a lot of people have been caught up in some savvy and profitable marketing.It is a big deal to some who feel they'd like to get away from what they view as excessive processing. Not a terrible goal.0 -
baconslave wrote: »My husband is a bacon-cheapskate. He only gets the bargain bacon, which is a tragedy.
So back to my farm fetish (uh, that could be taken to mean something else entirely), I have been eating less bacon than I used to, because when I priced out the gorgeous thick strips based on the likely best entry (although I know it's a guessing game), the calories definitely put it in the only once in a while category. There was some quite reasonable calorie bacon (pork, not turkey, of course) that I used to buy that would have fit into my calories quite well, but it's true it wasn't really the Platonic ideal of bacon. But still.
I don't currently regret this, but some day I might decide to buy some of that stuff again and see how it is.
On the "natural" or "processed" topic (such as it is), I often think of this kind of thing when people insist that processed food has more calories.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »baconslave wrote: »What the thread wanted was the "processed" demon. They're falling down on the job with their trolling.
Hmm. Actually it was the "natural" demon, although that IS related, of course. And I really don't think I'm a troll, given that it was my silly throwaway comment that started this nightmare. It was responsive to something in the thread too, but there were several sugar ones that I was reading at the same time (I'm addicted to sugar threads!), so it's possible I conflated a couple.
Anyway, I agree that this thread should get back to fat. Had any good bacon lately?
Mmm, bacon; something we can all agree on.
I had some good bacon over the weekend, but I couldn't tell you the last time I had it before that. I don't really understand the obsession with bacon. It's good, but when it comes to meat, and espeically pork, there are SO many better options IMO.
But I disagree that this thread demonized anything. There were discussions about stevia and sugar and sucrose and processing and natural, but I don't remember anyone saying any of it was evil or bad.0 -
Go on.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I had some good bacon over the weekend, but I couldn't tell you the last time I had it before that. I don't really understand the obsession with bacon. It's good, but when it comes to meat, and espeically pork, there are SO many better options IMO.
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