Why are people so negative regarding clean eating?

81Katz

Special K Cheddar Chips ... lmao

chelsifina

I just know you knock us for having a bit of white rice, or bread with our sandwich, but you guys make everyday situations difficult when your at a function and your like "Oh I cant really eat that right now" you make people who have not made the choice to be fit feel bad.

some ppl eat clean because they would eat 2L of ice cream if they had 1 bite, so I can think of who has more willpower. I just hate how people who eat clean act so arrogant. ALL OF MY POST IS GENERAL BY NO MEANS IS EVERYONE WHO EATS CLEAN ARROGANT, BUT SOME ARE. (I don't want to scare anyone on my FL, this is just my 2 cents)

You really don't know what people are thinking. When I am able to pass up a temptation, I am thinking about myself, not about you. It's not my problem if my food choices make others have bad feelings about their own choices. That's not within my control. (As a vegan, people eat meat in front of me all the time, and if someone apologizes for it or ask if they shouldn't eat it in front of me, I thank them for their courtesy but assure them not to worry on my behalf. It's not all about me.)

Any group of people in the world (clean eaters, IIFYM, vegans, Christians, Caucasians, Asians, cat people, anti-baby people, parents) have some arrogant people in them. You sound like you are giving a lot more energy to clean eaters than needed with how much you say you are thinking of them. If you can take a bite of trigger food and wrap the rest up for later, you do have more willpower in that area than I do. I wish I could do that. That's awesome for you. Celebrate that for yourself, leave everyone else out of it.

This ^

LorinaLynn

See, I don't get this! What is wrong with what she posted? She is talking about what works for her, is supporting another poster who shares a similar lifestyle, and described ways she tries to accomodate her lifestyle. She said absolutely nothing about you or people who eat differently or how she thinks she better than them? Why are trying to drag her down? Why can't we support one another on each other's journey, no matter how the journey may differ? Its really not that hard!

It's the last line. "I'm being good to my body, and you're not." If she'd ended it with, "I'm being good to my body," I wouldn't bat an eye.

I'm good to my body, too. I make sure my body gets what it needs nutritionally. Sometimes, though, it gets what it needs from pizza.

Achrya

I eat clean because I love the way my body feels I'm pescetarian transitioning to vegan and I love what my healthy eating choices have done for my body and my self esteem. If you're eating clean, you're helping your body so don't worry about what others say. My family teases me about it sometimes and they never accommodate me at family gatherings so I just bring my own food. The way I see it is they can call me stuck up or "too good for your food" but I'm being good to my body and you're not.

I'm gonna start saving comments like this so next time this conversation can go like this

"Why are you 'dirty' eaters so mad!"
"Cause clean eaters like to get smug and self-important."
"No Wai!"
*Copypasta clean eaters saying this like 'you aren't being good to your body' and 'clean eating is the healthiest way'*

You may be one of those that will have to keep a spreadsheet with different categories for ignorant comments, because you'll have so many to choose from, you would be limiting yourself to only stick to the clean eaters.

If in the future I feel I am served by keeping ignorant comments by other groups I may do that as well. Thank you for you helpful suggestion though.

MsEndomorph

Ooh I've never had a pop tart...now i have to out of curiosity!

Pop Tarts are Rubbish, Toaster Strudels are where its at!

Represent!

Even as a kid I thought Pop-Tarts were gross. Strawberry toaster strudels are the bomb-diggity.

Achrya

Both sides shove **** down the other sides' throats and it's just a perpetual battle of stupidity.

What do those who don't eat clean shove downs people's throats, exactly? No one has ever said 'don't eat clean' but rather 'you don't have to eat clean'/'clean eating doesn't exist cause no foods are dirty/bad'. No one wants clean eaters to change or subscribe to a different diet.

This DOES happen all the time. I was on a thread the other day where someone posted that they were interested in making other friends who were into clean eating. Tons of posts ensued where people, unsolicited, pretty much stated that all clean eaters are preachy, pushy, misguided people. One poster suggested that people who eat clean just don't have self control (like she did) and should focus more on eating junk food in moderation (like she does) It happens ALL the time, here and in the real world. I'm paleo for a myriad of health reasons, but I try not to tell people because I get so tired of being told that doing so is wrong for whatever reason, and then I am either forced to go into my medical history to justify my choices or just nod and agree. I am sure that there are clean eaters who are preachy and judgmental, just like there are those in every group, but it seems that a lot of them venom gets spewed at clean eating as a lifestyle. I just don't get it. No worries, everybody, I won't offer you ANY suggestions or relate what has been helpful to me!

Do you have a link to this thread so we may check it out to verify your claims?

AverageUkDude

I'm being good to my body and you're not.

Wow most people who do flexible dieting (iffym) manage to get their micro and macro nutrients too. Is the air thin up on that high horse of yours?

chelsifina

See, I don't get this! What is wrong with what she posted? She is talking about what works for her, is supporting another poster who shares a similar lifestyle, and described ways she tries to accomodate her lifestyle. She said absolutely nothing about you or people who eat differently or how she thinks she better than them? Why are trying to drag her down? Why can't we support one another on each other's journey, no matter how the journey may differ? Its really not that hard!

It's the last line. "I'm being good to my body, and you're not." If she'd ended it with, "I'm being good to my body," I wouldn't bat an eye.

I'm good to my body, too. I make sure my body gets what it needs nutritionally. Sometimes, though, it gets what it needs from pizza.

you are completely right. My bad.

Piriteze

Because 'clean eating' doesn't exist.

PikaKnight

Ooh I've never had a pop tart...now i have to out of curiosity!

Pop Tarts are Rubbish, Toaster Strudels are where its at!

Represent!

Even as a kid I thought Pop-Tarts were gross. Strawberry toaster strudels are the bomb-diggity.

I used to dislike strudels but tried them again and found that I like both pop-tarts and strudels. To me they aren't comparable though. Pop-tarts are more "snack-ish" and something I'd be okay eating for breakfast. Strudels are too sweet for the morning and something I'd rather have as an after meal dessert.

3foldchord

Ooh I've never had a pop tart...now i have to out of curiosity!

Pop Tarts are Rubbish, Toaster Strudels are where its at!

going to have to Google that one...but I am moderately excited at the prospect!

We get "Poptars" from the health food store, yay they are all natural.. That is not the point. The point is they have POMEGRANATE with frosting and sprinkles! I have not seen pomegranate from the Poptart brand.

PikaKnight

See, I don't get this! What is wrong with what she posted? She is talking about what works for her, is supporting another poster who shares a similar lifestyle, and described ways she tries to accomodate her lifestyle. She said absolutely nothing about you or people who eat differently or how she thinks she better than them? Why are trying to drag her down? Why can't we support one another on each other's journey, no matter how the journey may differ? Its really not that hard!

It's the last line. "I'm being good to my body, and you're not." If she'd ended it with, "I'm being good to my body," I wouldn't bat an eye.

I'm good to my body, too. I make sure my body gets what it needs nutritionally. Sometimes, though, it gets what it needs from pizza.

It's funny that there are a few clean eaters that go through PMs to tell you that you are doing it wrong so that they can't be called out for "being" pushy and "elitists" when they show up on the forums and whine about people coming down on them for eating clean.

FlaxMilk

If in the future I feel I am served by keeping ignorant comments by other groups I may do that as well. Thank you for you helpful suggestion though.

You are very welcome! There's no more efficient way to create bias than by picking a comments of a few and attributing them to the whole group.

Warchortle

Mr. Clean doesn't EVEN eat: brown rice cakes, sweet potatoes, chicken, and broccoli. COME AT ME!

chunkydunk714

So balls are dirty?

Got it

FlaxMilk

So balls are dirty?

Got it

Depends on the supplier.

chai_masala

I hated the clean eating movement the moment it started, mainly for how poorly named it is. Also, oversimplying food into "processed vs. unprocessed" doesn't jive with me.

chelsifina

Both sides shove **** down the other sides' throats and it's just a perpetual battle of stupidity.

What do those who don't eat clean shove downs people's throats, exactly? No one has ever said 'don't eat clean' but rather 'you don't have to eat clean'/'clean eating doesn't exist cause no foods are dirty/bad'. No one wants clean eaters to change or subscribe to a different diet.

This DOES happen all the time. I was on a thread the other day where someone posted that they were interested in making other friends who were into clean eating. Tons of posts ensued where people, unsolicited, pretty much stated that all clean eaters are preachy, pushy, misguided people. One poster suggested that people who eat clean just don't have self control (like she did) and should focus more on eating junk food in moderation (like she does) It happens ALL the time, here and in the real world. I'm paleo for a myriad of health reasons, but I try not to tell people because I get so tired of being told that doing so is wrong for whatever reason, and then I am either forced to go into my medical history to justify my choices or just nod and agree. I am sure that there are clean eaters who are preachy and judgmental, just like there are those in every group, but it seems that a lot of them venom gets spewed at clean eating as a lifestyle. I just don't get it. No worries, everybody, I won't offer you ANY suggestions or relate what has been helpful to me!

Do you have a link to this thread so we may check it out to verify your claims?

I can't get the thread to link correctly, and I can't figure out why. The title of the thread was "Anyone doing whole/real/clean eating out there?" Perhaps someone else will have better luck linking to it than I did. BTW, I really appreciate your thoughtful discussion style. You are having a conversation, not a shouting match, and I really appreciate that. I think I'm not cut out for the boards and all the attack. It makes me want to leave the site. Fortunately, I have fantastic MFP friends and wouldn't want to let them down.

chunkydunk714

So balls are dirty?

Got it

Depends on the supplier.

Good point

81Katz

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Achrya

If in the future I feel I am served by keeping ignorant comments by other groups I may do that as well. Thank you for you helpful suggestion though.

You are very welcome! There's no more efficient way to create bias than by picking a comments of a few and attributing them to the whole group.

FlaxMilk

If you aren't going to post a cat GIF, Dean Winchester is the way to go.

gottalose55

People are negative on other things too, like weight lifting and crossfit. I got emails about the evils of crossfit after I expressed interest.

BrainyBurro

People are negative on other things too, like weight lifting and crossfit. I got emails about the evils of crossfit after I expressed interest.

there is one lady on here who has made it her mission in life to prevent people from crossfitting ...not that there's anything wrong with that!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Achrya

Both sides shove **** down the other sides' throats and it's just a perpetual battle of stupidity.

What do those who don't eat clean shove downs people's throats, exactly? No one has ever said 'don't eat clean' but rather 'you don't have to eat clean'/'clean eating doesn't exist cause no foods are dirty/bad'. No one wants clean eaters to change or subscribe to a different diet.

This DOES happen all the time. I was on a thread the other day where someone posted that they were interested in making other friends who were into clean eating. Tons of posts ensued where people, unsolicited, pretty much stated that all clean eaters are preachy, pushy, misguided people. One poster suggested that people who eat clean just don't have self control (like she did) and should focus more on eating junk food in moderation (like she does) It happens ALL the time, here and in the real world. I'm paleo for a myriad of health reasons, but I try not to tell people because I get so tired of being told that doing so is wrong for whatever reason, and then I am either forced to go into my medical history to justify my choices or just nod and agree. I am sure that there are clean eaters who are preachy and judgmental, just like there are those in every group, but it seems that a lot of them venom gets spewed at clean eating as a lifestyle. I just don't get it. No worries, everybody, I won't offer you ANY suggestions or relate what has been helpful to me!

Do you have a link to this thread so we may check it out to verify your claims?

I can't get the thread to link correctly, and I can't figure out why. The title of the thread was "Anyone doing whole/real/clean eating out there?" Perhaps someone else will have better luck linking to it than I did. BTW, I really appreciate your thoughtful discussion style. You are having a conversation, not a shouting match, and I really appreciate that. I think I'm not cut out for the boards and all the attack. It makes me want to leave the site. Fortunately, I have fantastic MFP friends and wouldn't want to let them down.

The thread has been locked/purged so you can't link to it. But from what I can glean from what's left, it looks like OP opened with something disparging about those who don't eat clean (as the first post I see from a 'non clean' eater is "Sanctimony is unattractive whichever way it goes, OP.", suggesting the OP had been sanctimonious in their OP.

Note that the first 'negative' comment is about how the OP eats, but how the OP put their message across. Next I see some things about how food is neither inherently healthy or unhealthy, which isn't bullying at all. Then, and this made me chuckle, someone saying that they don't feel the OP really eats clean cause artificial sugars. Shortly after this it does break down into your typical shoving match.

My honest assessment is the OP probably said something about those who don't eat clean, perhaps without even realizing it, and that's what started the debate.

KikiODonoghue

To be honest, I used to be one of those people who claimed that it didn't matter what I ate as long as I kept my weight down and remained toned through exercising. That all changed when a person very close to me got very ill and I started doing research on how much food had to do with it and realised I could at least try to prevent that from happening to me. To be clear: that doesn't mean people who eat clean are always a 100% healthy and have no problems, but they usually feel better. FYI I have my bad days and I eat chocolate and sweets for example because I LOVE IT, but when it comes to lunch, for example, instead of eating mash potatos like I used to, I choose a Greek salad or smth like that. So, it's about making small changes and gradually your body gets used to that good feeling you get when you consume fresh fruit and vegetables instead of processed foods.

ninerbuff

Clean eating is the most sustainable and HEALTHY way to keep off and maintain weightloss, that is a fact that you can not argue with.

Unless you're Asian cause we eat lots of processed foods. Fact refuted.

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

AverageUkDude

To be honest, I used to be one of those people who claimed that it didn't matter what I ate as long as I kept my weight down and remained toned through exercising. That all changed when a person very close to me got very ill and I started doing research on how much food had to do with it and realised I could at least try to prevent that from happening to me. To be clear: that doesn't mean people who eat clean are always a 100% healthy and have no problems, but they usually feel better. FYI I have my bad days and I eat chocolate and sweets for example because I LOVE IT, but when it comes to lunch, for example, instead of eating mash potatos like I used to, I choose a Greek salad or smth like that. So, it's about making small changes and gradually your body gets used to that good feeling you get when you consume fresh fruit and vegetables instead of processed foods.

Just because someone doesn't eat 'clean' doesn't mean they don't eat fresh fruit or veg.

chelsifina

From my memory, the first post was a pretty innocuous statement from OP saying she didn't know much about clean eating and what it was all about, was looking for advice/friends. The next several posts were mostly from people saying something brief but disparaging about what they didn't like about clean eaters. THe OP could very have gotten sanctimonious, I truly have no idea and wouldn't dispute it, but I am pretty sure what you're reading was not near the beginning of the post. It was a shoving match from the second post on.

Achrya

People are negative on other things too, like weight lifting and crossfit. I got emails about the evils of crossfit after I expressed interest.

I'm interested in what kind of people feel the need to get angry over crossfit...