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nutmegoreo wrote: »Hate to say this... It won't make me popular by any means... The latest studies are showing that it appears that indeed, sugar is likely causative of diabetes. Stay tuned for more, I'll bet we'll all be eating those words ( sugar doesn't cause diabetes).
Link the studies that prove a causation
Not a correlation
And not rat studies, please. People are not rats.
To be honest you can't actually do a realistic long term study on humans for ethics reasons. There are epidemiological style studies performed with humans or safety and efficacy trials for new drugs/vaccines but there is no way to practically study if eating X for 15 years increases your chance of Y in a laboratory setting in humans for what I hope are obvious reasons. So asking for a lab study in humans for something like "Does sugar cause diabeties" is unrealistic. Best one could do would be an epidemiological statistical analysis of data based on patient records.14 -
Hate to say this... It won't make me popular by any means... The latest studies are showing that it appears that indeed, sugar is likely causative of diabetes. Stay tuned for more, I'll bet we'll all be eating those words ( sugar doesn't cause diabetes).
You honestly should avoid mentioning "a study says..." without linking to said study so that other people can evaluate it for themselves. You definately shouldn't do it if you yourself haven't read and comprehended said study. It is the primary way in which misinformation gets propogated.22 -
I JUST ATE LIKE 15 FERRERO ROCHES CHOCOLATES! Ik that one day of really bad eating wont affect ur whole weightloss journey just like one day of healthy eating wont make you lose weight but seriously will i get diabetes or something, this is literally more addictive than cocaine. Sorry if this post is stupid but i can't make myself be in control around food!
This makes me sad
That the entire world has filled with so much stupid made up stories and derpitude that anyone anywhere can believe that diabetes is caused by sugar
That's not how it works
Diabetes is a medical condition, a result of a body's inability to regulate insulin. One of the factors in developing type 2 diabetes can be being overweight. Sugar is mixed with fat and carbs to make highly palatable, highly calorific, cheap foods that are easy to binge on...eating too many calories over time will make you put on weight. Being fat does not mean diabetes, it just increases your risk.
Don't panic cos you ate poor quality, cheap chocolates ...there's 73 calories in 1 ... you just ate 1053 calories which you could have used on other foods
Log it, move on
With my current limited understanding of diabeties this is accurate.5 -
I did read something about regular sugar beverage intake in overweight people increaseing risk TBH but didn't know the theory had any form of peer reviewed support yet
It seems to me that preaching that there is absolutely no causation when we see a correlation is a bit reckless. There is a big difference between something being unproven and being false and there are a lot of grey areas in this world where would probably be wise to exercise a little caution.
I don't think anyone has ever said that correlation somehow negates causation, just that correlation is not direct evidence of causation...because it isn't. Its like a Venn Diagram....anything that causes something will also correlate with it but not everything that correlates will be the cause. Many many many millions of times more things correlate than are causes so in the vast majority of causes a correlation is not associated with a cause.
Leaves fall off trees when kids go back to school, but that doesn't mean falling leaves cause education.11 -
You know what, sometimes you just need to do these things, to get it out of your system.
I had a bag of marzipan potatoes the other day. Yes you read that right. I just Had to Have them. And I did. And they were feckin gorgeous. And I don't care one bit.17 -
I ate three pumpkin glazed donuts on saturday. 900 calories.
I know your pain- I just won't be buying those anymore2 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Hate to say this... It won't make me popular by any means... The latest studies are showing that it appears that indeed, sugar is likely causative of diabetes. Stay tuned for more, I'll bet we'll all be eating those words ( sugar doesn't cause diabetes).
Link the studies that prove a causation
Not a correlation
And not rat studies, please. People are not rats.
To be honest you can't actually do a realistic long term study on humans for ethics reasons. There are epidemiological style studies performed with humans or safety and efficacy trials for new drugs/vaccines but there is no way to practically study if eating X for 15 years increases your chance of Y in a laboratory setting in humans for what I hope are obvious reasons. So asking for a lab study in humans for something like "Does sugar cause diabeties" is unrealistic. Best one could do would be an epidemiological statistical analysis of data based on patient records.
Ugh. In all honesty I was pretty tired when I typed that. Thanks.0 -
smotheredincheese wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Well, if you had eaten 14, you would have been fine, but you had to cross the line. Diabetes for you!
Seriously, I love those gooey balls of hazelnut heaven. I also only buy them in packs of three because I still have difficulties moderating certain things. I have worked with many people who have actual addictions, so no, not the same as cocaine.
Just sayin'
You don't happen to have a recipe for those do you? Asking for a friend...
Hope this works...
Ferraro Rocher Cupcakes with Nutella Buttercream
http://cookiescupcakesandcardio.com/?p=4742
These look awesome!!!6 -
Only an idiot conflates correlation with causation
To your point: http://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations1 -
Seriously... I love the stuff, and I'm super picky about my chocolate!1 -
I was wondering that too. It's one of the better ones.2 -
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smotheredincheese wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Well, if you had eaten 14, you would have been fine, but you had to cross the line. Diabetes for you!
Seriously, I love those gooey balls of hazelnut heaven. I also only buy them in packs of three because I still have difficulties moderating certain things. I have worked with many people who have actual addictions, so no, not the same as cocaine.
Just sayin'
You don't happen to have a recipe for those do you? Asking for a friend...
Hope this works...
Ferraro Rocher Cupcakes with Nutella Buttercream
http://cookiescupcakesandcardio.com/?p=4742
These look awesome!!!
That's great! there are some amazing looking cupcakes on that site. I mean, my friend thinks that's great...I only eat kale and ice cubes8 -
Sorry ..personally I'm not partial...when I was growing up they were the cheapest boxed chocolates and are a little bit of a joke down to the appalling kitsch ambassador adverts that we still enjoy quoting badly
If you look at the ingredients, Quality chocolate you'd be looking for high cocoa solids content above 70% and no use of vegetable oil in place of cocoa butter because vegetable oil is cheaper.
Ingredients. MILK chocolate 30% (sugar, cocoa butter, cocoa mass, skimmed MILK powder, concentrated BUTTER, emulsifier: lecithins (SOYA), vanillin), HAZELNUTS (28.5%), sugar, palm oil, WHEAT flour, whey powder (MILK), fat-reduced cocoa, emulsifier: lecithins (SOYA), raising agent (sodium bicarbonate), salt, vanillin
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Without wanting to be one of those making sweeping generalisations about whole countries I'm going to anyway. Ferrero Rocher may be good quality to our US friends but here in the UK it's really equivalent to Dairy Milk just in fancier packaging. I did think they were super fancy in the 90s though when we only had them at Christmas!
Now the chocolatier over the road from my flat, THAT is the good stuff. And priced accordingly, which is bad news for my bank balance but good news for me not just switching to a diet exclusively made up of said chocolates.......6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »
Without wanting to be one of those making sweeping generalisations about whole countries I'm going to anyway. Ferrero Rocher may be good quality to our US friends but here in the UK it's really equivalent to Dairy Milk just in fancier packaging. I did think they were super fancy in the 90s though when we only had them at Christmas!
Now the chocolatier over the road from my flat, THAT is the good stuff. And priced accordingly, which is bad news for my bank balance but good news for me not just switching to a diet exclusively made up of said chocolates.......
Milk Tray was a cut above Ferrero Rocher
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We actually do have lots of good chocolate in the US -- local artisan stuff and chocolates from all over the world. (Recommend me a few and I'll find it, probably.)
I think Ferrero Rocher is just newer to us. I never used to see it much, and now it's all over (you can buy single servings (one) at my Walgreens and CVS), for example.
I really love them, but I'm weak for any nut+chocolate combo and also like hazelnut particularly (WF has a delicious and quite low cal hazelnut gelato, speaking of). And I can like expensive chocolates and cheap ones too!
Yeah, yeah, I'm being defensive US stereotype, but I get tired of the idea that aren't exposed to and can't understand what really tasty foods are.7 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Well, if you had eaten 14, you would have been fine, but you had to cross the line. Diabetes for you!
Seriously, I love those gooey balls of hazelnut heaven. I also only buy them in packs of three because I still have difficulties moderating certain things. I have worked with many people who have actual addictions, so no, not the same as cocaine.
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VintageFeline wrote: »
Without wanting to be one of those making sweeping generalisations about whole countries I'm going to anyway. Ferrero Rocher may be good quality to our US friends but here in the UK it's really equivalent to Dairy Milk just in fancier packaging. I did think they were super fancy in the 90s though when we only had them at Christmas!
Now the chocolatier over the road from my flat, THAT is the good stuff. And priced accordingly, which is bad news for my bank balance but good news for me not just switching to a diet exclusively made up of said chocolates.......
+1
Any chocolate I can find in a 7-11 does not equate to good quality chocolate.
I'm not the 'typical' American when it comes to chocolate because 1) a good number of my family (grandparent generation) worked for Hershey, giving me lots of access to cheap chocolate (still better than what Hershey produces now), and 2) my dad used to make regular trips to Belgium and bring back 2-5lb boxes of chocolates from some of the best chocolatiers in that country at that time.
Guess which chocolate got eaten, and which was given out for everyone else to eat?
I still occasionally crave the chocolate covered hazelnuts dusted with cocoa powder that he used to bring back from a chocolatier that's no longer in business (I checked last time I was in Europe hoping I could find some). Those were awesome and the others I've tried since aren't quite as good. Pretty damn close, though.2 -
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Without wanting to be one of those making sweeping generalisations about whole countries I'm going to anyway. Ferrero Rocher may be good quality to our US friends but here in the UK it's really equivalent to Dairy Milk just in fancier packaging. I did think they were super fancy in the 90s though when we only had them at Christmas!
Now the chocolatier over the road from my flat, THAT is the good stuff. And priced accordingly, which is bad news for my bank balance but good news for me not just switching to a diet exclusively made up of said chocolates.......[/quote]
You can't compare commercially produced chocolate with a chocolatier's chocolate. Compared to a chocolatier' s chocolate everything is bad.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »We actually do have lots of good chocolate in the US -- local artisan stuff and chocolates from all over the world. (Recommend me a few and I'll find it, probably.)
I think Ferrero Rocher is just newer to us. I never used to see it much, and now it's all over (you can buy single servings (one) at my Walgreens and CVS), for example.
I really love them, but I'm weak for any nut+chocolate combo and also like hazelnut particularly (WF has a delicious and quite low cal hazelnut gelato, speaking of). And I can like expensive chocolates and cheap ones too!
Yeah, yeah, I'm being defensive US stereotype, but I get tired of the idea that aren't exposed to and can't understand what really tasty foods are.
I don't think anyone was making negative stereotypes ..but every country has its own food idiosyncrasies...the UK has the Swiss and French chocolatiers to put us to shame unfortunately ..we also have different marketing programmes and positioning ...doesn't make us <stereotype warning> Food snobs0 -
gebeziseva wrote: »Lol I have a box of them sitting right by me and ate 4 yesterday (which is a lot for my 1450cal maintanance). Ate so far 2 today and looking into eating more. Damn they are so tasty! And it is impossible to have just one!
I hear you! Thankfully they sell them individually packed so I can buy one and leave. You need some special kind of sorcery to resist a box. I love those things! Funny thing, though, I very rarely crave them specifically (or most sweets for that matter), but I sure enjoy them when I do!
OP, move on and don't worry. That's not how diabetes works.0 -
I was wondering that too. It's one of the better ones.
Because *kitten* hazelnuts. Next time I want some chocolate but think to myself, I really wish it came with some weird tasting paste, I'll grab some. Also its milk chocolate so yeah...avoid. I might be biased though.2 -
meh.... you're fine!!! I didn't eat that much chocolate in one sitting and my diabetes did not go away.....3
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Do you have any left? I would be happy to spare you further temptation!5
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lemurcat12 wrote: »We actually do have lots of good chocolate in the US -- local artisan stuff and chocolates from all over the world. (Recommend me a few and I'll find it, probably.)
I think Ferrero Rocher is just newer to us. I never used to see it much, and now it's all over (you can buy single servings (one) at my Walgreens and CVS), for example.
I really love them, but I'm weak for any nut+chocolate combo and also like hazelnut particularly (WF has a delicious and quite low cal hazelnut gelato, speaking of). And I can like expensive chocolates and cheap ones too!
Yeah, yeah, I'm being defensive US stereotype, but I get tired of the idea that aren't exposed to and can't understand what really tasty foods are.
I don't think anyone was making negative stereotypes ..but every country has its own food idiosyncrasies...the UK has the Swiss and French chocolatiers to put us to shame unfortunately ..we also have different marketing programmes and positioning ...doesn't make us <stereotype warning> Food snobs
We get Swiss and French chocolates too, however, and have some very good local artisan stuff. The idea that Americans only eat Hersheys just isn't true. (I'm not actually bothered by this -- was worried the tone came out wrong before -- just discussing.)
I think a lot of times people see only the mass market stuff and assume that's all we have.3 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »We actually do have lots of good chocolate in the US -- local artisan stuff and chocolates from all over the world. (Recommend me a few and I'll find it, probably.)
I think Ferrero Rocher is just newer to us. I never used to see it much, and now it's all over (you can buy single servings (one) at my Walgreens and CVS), for example.
I really love them, but I'm weak for any nut+chocolate combo and also like hazelnut particularly (WF has a delicious and quite low cal hazelnut gelato, speaking of). And I can like expensive chocolates and cheap ones too!
Yeah, yeah, I'm being defensive US stereotype, but I get tired of the idea that aren't exposed to and can't understand what really tasty foods are.
I don't think anyone was making negative stereotypes ..but every country has its own food idiosyncrasies...the UK has the Swiss and French chocolatiers to put us to shame unfortunately ..we also have different marketing programmes and positioning ...doesn't make us <stereotype warning> Food snobs
Belgian chocolates are good too.
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Sorry ..personally I'm not partial...when I was growing up they were the cheapest boxed chocolates and are a little bit of a joke down to the appalling kitsch ambassador adverts that we still enjoy quoting badly
If you look at the ingredients, Quality chocolate you'd be looking for high cocoa solids content above 70% and no use of vegetable oil in place of cocoa butter because vegetable oil is cheaper.
Ingredients. MILK chocolate 30% (sugar, cocoa butter, cocoa mass, skimmed MILK powder, concentrated BUTTER, emulsifier: lecithins (SOYA), vanillin), HAZELNUTS (28.5%), sugar, palm oil, WHEAT flour, whey powder (MILK), fat-reduced cocoa, emulsifier: lecithins (SOYA), raising agent (sodium bicarbonate), salt, vanillin
Who cares if they're some of the cheaper ones? They taste heavenly! Hazelnuts and chocolate? SOLD!
Personally I'm not a chocolate snob (or a food snob for that matter). My sister has a job that sends her traveling all over the world and she always brings me something special like handcrafted high quality chocolates, teas, all kinds of fancy foodstuff which I really enjoy. Does not change the fact that Ferrero Rocher tastes like a trip to the unicorn land to me, but then again I have a weakness for hazelnut chocolatey stuff, which is also why a full jar of Nutella will never make it to my shelf again. I'll stick with the single serve packs, thank you.7
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