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Giving up sugar for good
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It feels like I'm witnessing a discussion on a religious topic, its sooo long.
So far I've learned that:
1. everyone who decides to give up sugar believes that they should because it is as addictive as heroin.
2. all mfp longtimers are really healthy and they all eat sugar 'in moderation'.
3. *kitten* don't eat sugary foods, especially candy bars and their pimps never buy those things for them.
IDK
Don't forget the part that aspartame is made of weed killer rather than amino acids. That's an important point to take away as well.8 -
not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »hollyrayburn wrote: »Good luck eliminating sugar completely, as it is in everything.
It is possible to go without consuming added sugar. I've done it. It's a lot of work and label reading and takes a lot of planning, but you can do it.
I have done this in the past. Why? Because I wanted to throw myself back into cooking, because I was trying to eat fewer processed foods, because I eat my feelings, and I never seem to be able to control myself and only eat one piece of candy. Do I eat added sugar now? Yes. I just eat less of it.
If you read through the thread you will note that a substantial part of the debate is that there is no difference...your body cannot tell the difference between added sugars or naturally occurring sugars because on a molecular level, they are the same.
Personally, I advocate for a diet consisting largely of whole foods because I'm just pretty big on nutrition in general...plus I thoroughly enjoy cooking and frankly, I'm a total food snob and can't fathom enjoying a diet consisting largely of something I pore out of a box and into a pot. The SAD is by and large piss poor and a better discussion IMO would be moving away from it...pretty much anything is better than the SAD, but I'm very much in the balanced approach camp. Moving away from the SAD would largely involve a reduction in sugar and simple carbohydrates as well as fat and moderating these thing...not eliminating them.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, most people go to extremes when it comes to this stuff and fail to see that there's a huge middle ground...and as is with most things, the middle ground is usually where the truth is found.4 -
You may want to brush up on your physiology a bit. The human brain relies on glucose (that's a sugar, in case you didn't know) as its main source of energy. The brain accounts for 2% of your body weight, but consumes about 20% of your glucose-derived energy. (All of which may actually help explain some of the posts in this thread.)
I believe the body can produce glycogen from dietary protein as well in the absence of carbohydrates, is that not correct?As for the whole addiction BS - I've seen alcoholics who will drink mouthwash for its alcohol content when they don't have access to booze. I've seen plenty of heroin and meth addicts who will commit burglaries or steal from their own families to support their habits. Show me a "sugar addict" who will grab a spoon and start shoveling down sugar from a bag when their usual treats aren't available if you want to talk about sugar truly being addictive. Or maybe one who goes and breaks into other people's houses to eat their sugary treats.
Well the truth is that there is rarely a place/time when one doesn't have access to sugary treats (at least in the West).
But yes there are many documented cases of people who sneak/steal food, or go out in the middle of the night to a 24-hr convenience store to get it.
Right, "food". People will sneak food, like chicken legs or potato chips even. Not necessarily sugar. Do you have any tales of some sugar addict realizing they are out of soda so they sneak a spoon and a bag of sugar into their room?
Sugar is not an addictive substance. People for sure can develop an emotional or behavioral addiction to eating. But sugar is not an addictive substance.5 -
Reading over this, it looks like what it comes down to is something to blame for a lack of self control.
If it is an addiction (and I am firmly in the camp that it is not an addiction, but a reason to justify over consumption, and that includes any and all foods/drinks, if you really need something to blame other than yourself), it is one addiction that I would rather have than alcohol, drugs, sex, tobacco, or any other thing you can name.
Food and water are the two things no one can survive without, and for most of us, eating/drinking is a pleasant experience.4 -
It feels like I'm witnessing a discussion on a religious topic, its sooo long.
So far I've learned that:
1. everyone who decides to give up sugar believes that they should because it is as addictive as heroin.
2. all mfp longtimers are really healthy and they all eat sugar 'in moderation'.
3. *kitten* don't eat sugary foods, especially candy bars and their pimps never buy those things for them.
IDK
4. Everyone who decides to give up sugar is shifting the blame, trying to avoid taking responsibility and/or hysterical.
5. Sugar isn't addictive because people won't steal to get it, but if they do, that's only because they're kleptomaniacs.
6. The definition of moderation is: "whatever works for me"...
7. Because some MFP members aren't addicted to sugar, that means no-one else is either.
This is great!! (:-)3 -
Your rat studies do not bear out against human studies and metastudies for the case of sugar addiction. Way to not read ANYTHING in this thread that has already addressed studies, dopamine release, or behavioral disorders surrounding food.
Well, in my defense... I didn't see that there were multiple pages when I began to write the response.
And frankly, I don't have the time to respond to each and every argument that I disagree with. I'm seeing by reading through the responses on the post it wouldn't matter anyway - so frankly - I'm not going to waste my time. I know my experience. Perhaps yours is different.
I've cut refined sugars out of my life and am moving more towards a keto lifestyle. Personally, it works for me. You do what works for you. Refined sugars, and processed carbohydrates don't work for me. Plain and simple.2 -
Question for @Ty_Floyd: you said earlier that science was still out on this, meaning that it hasn't been proven that sugar isn't addictive, or that it is. Why do you want it to be? What will it mean for you personally if sugar someday gets classified as a drug?5
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Addictive drugs are addictive in their 'refined' state but not when consumed in their natural (plant) state. The same theory is now being applied to sugar.
This is not true. Natural fermentation produces alcohol - which is just as addictive as "refined" alcohol. Squirrels get drunk on naturally fermented fruit, as do elephants and birds. And "natural" cigarettes are just as addictive as "unnatural" cigarettes.
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chocolate_owl wrote: »Question for @Ty_Floyd: you said earlier that science was still out on this, meaning that it hasn't been proven that sugar isn't addictive, or that it is. Why do you want it to be? What will it mean for you personally if sugar someday gets classified as a drug?
That's a good question. I wouldn't say I *want* it to be classified as a drug, but perhaps if it were people would be less inclined/have less opportunity to develop it as a harmless habit that's they're eventually going to pay for big time. I'm sure it's come all too late for my generation but perhaps not for the next...
(In my parents' day people used to scoff at the idea that smoking was harmful too...)1 -
chocolate_owl wrote: »Question for @Ty_Floyd: you said earlier that science was still out on this, meaning that it hasn't been proven that sugar isn't addictive, or that it is. Why do you want it to be? What will it mean for you personally if sugar someday gets classified as a drug?
That's a good question. I wouldn't say I *want* it to be classified as a drug, but perhaps if it were people would be less inclined/have less opportunity to develop it as a harmless habit that's they're eventually going to pay for big time. I'm sure it's come all too late for my generation but perhaps not for the next...
(In my parents' day people used to scoff at the idea that smoking was harmful too...)
And in the '80s, fat was the devil and we were all going to die if we didn't stop eating teh fatz. Yet keto is now all the craze, with people pouring butter and oil in their coffee and munching on "fat bombs".6 -
You may want to brush up on your physiology a bit. The human brain relies on glucose (that's a sugar, in case you didn't know) as its main source of energy. The brain accounts for 2% of your body weight, but consumes about 20% of your glucose-derived energy. (All of which may actually help explain some of the posts in this thread.)
I believe the body can produce glycogen from dietary protein as well in the absence of carbohydrates, is that not correct?As for the whole addiction BS - I've seen alcoholics who will drink mouthwash for its alcohol content when they don't have access to booze. I've seen plenty of heroin and meth addicts who will commit burglaries or steal from their own families to support their habits. Show me a "sugar addict" who will grab a spoon and start shoveling down sugar from a bag when their usual treats aren't available if you want to talk about sugar truly being addictive. Or maybe one who goes and breaks into other people's houses to eat their sugary treats.
Well the truth is that there is rarely a place/time when one doesn't have access to sugary treats (at least in the West).
But yes there are many documented cases of people who sneak/steal food, or go out in the middle of the night to a 24-hr convenience store to get it.
Right, "food". People will sneak food, like chicken legs or potato chips even. Not necessarily sugar. Do you have any tales of some sugar addict realizing they are out of soda so they sneak a spoon and a bag of sugar into their room?
Sugar is not an addictive substance. People for sure can develop an emotional or behavioral addiction to eating. But sugar is not an addictive substance.
Quoting myself because with everything else in this thread, why not start quoting ourselves?
What is really blowing my mind is, no one is saying everyone should eat massive amounts of sugar. No one is denying that excess sugar is a prime reason for excess calories, and probably affects the body in other adverse ways. No one is saying that moderating sugar intake in general or added sugar in particular is a bad idea. No one is saying that avoiding added sugar is a bad idea. NO ONE.
All anyone is saying is that sugar is not an addictive substance, and you don't need to eliminate it from your diet. That's it. If you want to cut out added sugar because you have no control with it, go for it! But that doesn't make it addictive, it doesn't make it necessary for everyone to do, it doesn't make sugar the one big problem for everyone. That's all anyone is saying!18 -
You may want to brush up on your physiology a bit. The human brain relies on glucose (that's a sugar, in case you didn't know) as its main source of energy. The brain accounts for 2% of your body weight, but consumes about 20% of your glucose-derived energy. (All of which may actually help explain some of the posts in this thread.)
I believe the body can produce glycogen from dietary protein as well in the absence of carbohydrates, is that not correct?As for the whole addiction BS - I've seen alcoholics who will drink mouthwash for its alcohol content when they don't have access to booze. I've seen plenty of heroin and meth addicts who will commit burglaries or steal from their own families to support their habits. Show me a "sugar addict" who will grab a spoon and start shoveling down sugar from a bag when their usual treats aren't available if you want to talk about sugar truly being addictive. Or maybe one who goes and breaks into other people's houses to eat their sugary treats.
Well the truth is that there is rarely a place/time when one doesn't have access to sugary treats (at least in the West).
But yes there are many documented cases of people who sneak/steal food, or go out in the middle of the night to a 24-hr convenience store to get it.
Right, "food". People will sneak food, like chicken legs or potato chips even. Not necessarily sugar. Do you have any tales of some sugar addict realizing they are out of soda so they sneak a spoon and a bag of sugar into their room?
Sugar is not an addictive substance. People for sure can develop an emotional or behavioral addiction to eating. But sugar is not an addictive substance.
Quoting myself because with everything else in this thread, why not start quoting ourselves?
What is really blowing my mind is, no one is saying everyone should eat massive amounts of sugar. No one is denying that excess sugar is a prime reason for excess calories, and probably affects the body in other adverse ways. No one is saying that moderating sugar intake in general or added sugar in particular is a bad idea. No one is saying that avoiding added sugar is a bad idea. NO ONE.
All anyone is saying is that sugar is not an addictive substance, and you don't need to eliminate it from your diet. That's it. If you want to cut out added sugar because you have no control with it, go for it! But that doesn't make it addictive, it doesn't make it necessary for everyone to do, it doesn't make sugar the one big problem for everyone.
Hit the nail on the head. Thank you for a bit of sanity.3 -
the fact is that sugar can be a part of an overall healthy diet where one meets macro, micro, and calorie goals. However, if you think that you have a allergy or medical condition that makes one sensitive to sugar then go to a dr and get tested, and if you need to avoid it, then avoid it. Barring said medical condition there is really no reason to say that one is going to "completely eliminate added sugar" or come up with some nonsense about sugar addiction or natural sugar vs added sugar,etc.1
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Our body has absolutely no use of sugar. None! -we eat it because it tastes good. It's a treat. And we like to treat ourselves,even if it's good or bad. Some people are more likely to get addicted to "treats", (in some forms), than others
Salt is something the body needs, BUT not much-just enough! Happy New year 
You may want to brush up on your physiology a bit. The human brain relies on glucose (that's a sugar, in case you didn't know) as its main source of energy. The brain accounts for 2% of your body weight, but consumes about 20% of your glucose-derived energy. (All of which may actually help explain some of the posts in this thread.)
As for the whole addiction BS - I've seen alcoholics who will drink mouthwash for its alcohol content when they don't have access to booze. I've seen plenty of heroin and meth addicts who will commit burglaries or steal from their own families to support their habits. Show me a "sugar addict" who will grab a spoon and start shoveling down sugar from a bag when their usual treats aren't available if you want to talk about sugar truly being addictive. Or maybe one who goes and breaks into other people's houses to eat their sugary treats. The addiction hypothesis is nothing more than a) fearmongering and b) an attempt to absolve people of personal responsibility.
I have heard of people doing weird things like stealing co-workers sugary treats.
I've heard of people doing weird things like stealing co-workers' pens and pencils too. Does that mean they're addicted to pens and pencils?
No, they may just be a klepto or have a need of a pen. Do they have a need of the co-workers sweets?
They steal lunches too. Are they addicted to tuna on rye?5 -
The reason I became overweight is because of over consuming food, and yes, that includes things made with sugar. I would have probably became overweight even if sugar was eliminated from processed foods. Salt is added to everything as well, and I love salty snacks too. Many of us overeat because it tastes good. If celery and lettuce tasted as good as sweet and salt, and still had the amount of calories they have, maybe most of us would not be on this forum, or perhaps we would overeat those foods as well.
Man up and take responsibility for our selves, most of us are not being force fed.2 -
It feels like I'm witnessing a discussion on a religious topic, its sooo long.
So far I've learned that:
1. everyone who decides to give up sugar believes that they should because it is as addictive as heroin.
2. all mfp longtimers are really healthy and they all eat sugar 'in moderation'.
3. *kitten* don't eat sugary foods, especially candy bars and their pimps never buy those things for them.
IDK
4. Everyone who decides to give up sugar is shifting the blame, trying to avoid taking responsibility and/or hysterical.
5. Sugar isn't addictive because people won't steal to get it, but if they do, that's only because they're kleptomaniac there are no human clinical trials showing a direct link.
6. The definition of moderation is: "whatever works for me" eat the foods that fit into your calorie, micro, and macro goals.
7. Because some MFP members aren't addicted to sugar, that means no-one else is either no one is physically addicted to sugar it is not an addictive substance.
This is great!! (:-)
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Addictive drugs are addictive in their 'refined' state but not when consumed in their natural (plant) state. The same theory is now being applied to sugar.
This is not true. Natural fermentation produces alcohol - which is just as addictive as "refined" alcohol. Squirrels get drunk on naturally fermented fruit, as do elephants and birds. And "natural" cigarettes are just as addictive as "unnatural" cigarettes.
I think dose and delivery is where this line of thought is coming from - which of course matters when it comes to drugs. If sugar is a drug, then it stands to reason that small amounts delivered slowly like would be the case with many whole foods could very well make a difference.2 -
I am amused at people who think sugar can not be addictive. ;O2
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KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »I am amused at people who think sugar can not be addictive. ;O
please point me to the human study proving a direct link between sugar and addiction ...5 -
chocolate_owl wrote: »Question for @Ty_Floyd: you said earlier that science was still out on this, meaning that it hasn't been proven that sugar isn't addictive, or that it is. Why do you want it to be? What will it mean for you personally if sugar someday gets classified as a drug?
That's a good question. I wouldn't say I *want* it to be classified as a drug, but perhaps if it were people would be less inclined/have less opportunity to develop it as a harmless habit that's they're eventually going to pay for big time. I'm sure it's come all too late for my generation but perhaps not for the next...
(In my parents' day people used to scoff at the idea that smoking was harmful too...)
I don't think you'd get any argument from anyone here that over consuming sugar is harmful...that is a far cry different conversation than sugar must be eliminated because it's the equivalent of cocaine. The later lacks any understanding of context or dosage. It's basically a non-starter for a reasonable discussion...6 -
KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »I am amused at people who think sugar can not be addictive. ;O
Scientists amuse you?13 -
chocolate_owl wrote: »Question for @Ty_Floyd: you said earlier that science was still out on this, meaning that it hasn't been proven that sugar isn't addictive, or that it is. Why do you want it to be? What will it mean for you personally if sugar someday gets classified as a drug?
That's a good question. I wouldn't say I *want* it to be classified as a drug, but perhaps if it were people would be less inclined/have less opportunity to develop it as a harmless habit that's they're eventually going to pay for big time. I'm sure it's come all too late for my generation but perhaps not for the next...
(In my parents' day people used to scoff at the idea that smoking was harmful too...)
Here's the thing though: we are not evolved to process nicotine. Even though I drink alcohol, we're not really evolved to process that either, and I'm aware of the risks I run by choosing to consume it. We're not evolved to process hard drugs. But sugar is something our bodies ARE evolved to consume and break down for energy. To compare something that our bodies are designed to handle to things our bodies are not designed to handle is why I think this drug comparison breaks down.
I don't foresee us paying big time specifically for eating sugar. For overconsuming calories? Yes, of course. And some people do have a hard time regulating their sugar intake, for whatever reason. That doesn't make it a drug, a toxin, or a poison. It means the person either has 1) a medical condition or 2) a behavioral problem. The blame does not and should not fall on sugar.
If we really are concerned about the health of future generations, let's focus on how to meet our nutrient and calorie goals rather than on making ____ a bad, terrible thing. Because when we do that, whatever the bad, terrible thing is tends to be consumed in reasonable quantities that aren't harmful.7 -
KatzeDerNacht22 wrote: »I am amused at people who think sugar can not be addictive.
And I am amused at people who think sugar is addictive.
Amusing thread is amusing for all. That so rarely happens. 11 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Yes, I'm not claiming that sugar (or food) is physically addicting like crack is. I've mentioned behavioral addiction earlier in this thread. Gambling is a behavioral addiction. There are drugs to help with physical withdrawal, but other than that, both types of addictions can be treated similarly.
I'm curious if there isn't something to this. Is it possible that sugar, while not physically addicting, might be emotionally addicting to some people? Is there a difference between "needing" to gamble and "needing" comfort foods? And is this the type of addiction Taubes is (poorly) talking about?
I don't think that "sugar" is behaviorally addicting, but I do think eating can be, and of course that eating will most commonly be directed toward highly palatable and available foods that you enjoy in most cases.
What I don't think is that having trouble not eating a second cookie or being tempted by cannoli in the breakroom = addiction of any sort. But to go back to the 600 lb life thing someone mentioned, sure I think super morbid obesity is often related to an addictive-type response.
I also think there are some links between BED and even just emotional eating and addiction. I don't think the latter is an addiction, but there are similarities and certain responses will help with both. Don't know enough about BED and the research to classify it, but I'd not object if someone did classify it as addiction.1 -
It feels like I'm witnessing a discussion on a religious topic, its sooo long.
So far I've learned that:
1. everyone who decides to give up sugar believes that they should because it is as addictive as heroin.
2. all mfp longtimers are really healthy and they all eat sugar 'in moderation'.
3. *kitten* don't eat sugary foods, especially candy bars and their pimps never buy those things for them.
IDK
4. Everyone who decides to give up sugar is shifting the blame, trying to avoid taking responsibility and/or hysterical.
5. Sugar isn't addictive because people won't steal to get it, but if they do, that's only because they're kleptomaniacs.
6. The definition of moderation is: "whatever works for me"...
7. Because some MFP members aren't addicted to sugar, that means no-one else is either.
This is great!! (:-)
You mean it's great to just make stuff up? Works for some, I guess, but it's really not a particularly effective debating technique and certainly is not a good way to try and reach common ground or convince anyone. Distorting what those you are disagreeing with are saying and making up stuff about them might make you feel good, though (hmm, maybe it's an addiction!).
4. Distortion of what was said or taking one person's opinion for everyone's, which is rude.
5. No one said this, you may be misinterpreting some prior posts.
6. No one said this, and it's an effort to claim that those who are disagreeing with you must not care about nutrition, so pretty rude. Again, I ask that you quote or retract.
7. This is not what was said either -- I don't think there's a common shared viewpoint on whether it sometimes is or not (if you include behavioral addiction). I see 0 reason to single out sugar from other eating behaviors or foods, especially other highly palatable foods, however. I'd be open to discussing your claim that "sugar" is an addiction on its own, though, vs. it being a behavior problem (addiction, if you like) with eating.7 -
You may want to brush up on your physiology a bit. The human brain relies on glucose (that's a sugar, in case you didn't know) as its main source of energy. The brain accounts for 2% of your body weight, but consumes about 20% of your glucose-derived energy. (All of which may actually help explain some of the posts in this thread.)
I believe the body can produce glycogen from dietary protein as well in the absence of carbohydrates, is that not correct?As for the whole addiction BS - I've seen alcoholics who will drink mouthwash for its alcohol content when they don't have access to booze. I've seen plenty of heroin and meth addicts who will commit burglaries or steal from their own families to support their habits. Show me a "sugar addict" who will grab a spoon and start shoveling down sugar from a bag when their usual treats aren't available if you want to talk about sugar truly being addictive. Or maybe one who goes and breaks into other people's houses to eat their sugary treats.
Well the truth is that there is rarely a place/time when one doesn't have access to sugary treats (at least in the West).
But yes there are many documented cases of people who sneak/steal food, or go out in the middle of the night to a 24-hr convenience store to get it.
Right, "food". People will sneak food, like chicken legs or potato chips even. Not necessarily sugar. Do you have any tales of some sugar addict realizing they are out of soda so they sneak a spoon and a bag of sugar into their room?
Sugar is not an addictive substance. People for sure can develop an emotional or behavioral addiction to eating. But sugar is not an addictive substance.
Quoting myself because with everything else in this thread, why not start quoting ourselves?
What is really blowing my mind is, no one is saying everyone should eat massive amounts of sugar. No one is denying that excess sugar is a prime reason for excess calories, and probably affects the body in other adverse ways. No one is saying that moderating sugar intake in general or added sugar in particular is a bad idea. No one is saying that avoiding added sugar is a bad idea. NO ONE.
All anyone is saying is that sugar is not an addictive substance, and you don't need to eliminate it from your diet. That's it. If you want to cut out added sugar because you have no control with it, go for it! But that doesn't make it addictive, it doesn't make it necessary for everyone to do, it doesn't make sugar the one big problem for everyone. That's all anyone is saying!
Great summary!2 -
It feels like I'm witnessing a discussion on a religious topic, its sooo long.
So far I've learned that:
1. everyone who decides to give up sugar believes that they should because it is as addictive as heroin.
2. all mfp longtimers are really healthy and they all eat sugar 'in moderation'.
3. *kitten* don't eat sugary foods, especially candy bars and their pimps never buy those things for them.
IDK
4. Everyone who decides to give up sugar is shifting the blame, trying to avoid taking responsibility and/or hysterical.
5. Sugar isn't addictive because people won't steal to get it, but if they do, that's only because they're kleptomaniacs.
6. The definition of moderation is: "whatever works for me"...
7. Because some MFP members aren't addicted to sugar, that means no-one else is either.
This is great!! (:-)
2. all mfp longtimers are really healthy and they all eat sugar 'in moderation'. {/quote]
What is a long timer? Do I qualify yet? I've been around for about 20 months... Sugar is usually well under 10g per day.3 -
How many people have you worked with that are "addicted" to sugar? Lol, I can tell you I've done a few hundred that "thought" they were addicted and found out that they could actually moderate it if they just focused on it. Mind you can't be an "addict" and moderate what you're addicted to. Right?It feels like I'm witnessing a discussion on a religious topic, its sooo long.
So far I've learned that:
1. everyone who decides to give up sugar believes that they should because it is as addictive as heroin.
2. all mfp longtimers are really healthy and they all eat sugar 'in moderation'.
3. *kitten* don't eat sugary foods, especially candy bars and their pimps never buy those things for them.
IDK
4. Everyone who decides to give up sugar is shifting the blame, trying to avoid taking responsibility and/or hysterical.
5. Sugar isn't addictive because people won't steal to get it, but if they do, that's only because they're kleptomaniacs.
6. The definition of moderation is: "whatever works for me"...
7. Because some MFP members aren't addicted to sugar, that means no-one else is either.
This is great!! (:-)
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Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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How many people have you worked with that are "addicted" to sugar? Lol, I can tell you I've done a few hundred that "thought" they were addicted and found out that they could actually moderate it if they just focused on it. Mind you can't be an "addict" and moderate what you're addicted to. Right?It feels like I'm witnessing a discussion on a religious topic, its sooo long.
So far I've learned that:
1. everyone who decides to give up sugar believes that they should because it is as addictive as heroin.
2. all mfp longtimers are really healthy and they all eat sugar 'in moderation'.
3. *kitten* don't eat sugary foods, especially candy bars and their pimps never buy those things for them.
IDK
4. Everyone who decides to give up sugar is shifting the blame, trying to avoid taking responsibility and/or hysterical.
5. Sugar isn't addictive because people won't steal to get it, but if they do, that's only because they're kleptomaniacs.
6. The definition of moderation is: "whatever works for me"...
7. Because some MFP members aren't addicted to sugar, that means no-one else is either.
This is great!! (:-)
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I have interacted with a few hundred who abstained from sugar as their primary means of losing weight with much success in the long term.
Sugar is not an addictive substance yet people can become addicted to eating it. People can also become addicted to other substances or combinations such as salt and fat yet have no addiction to sugar. Whatever anyone wants to call it, the reality is the same: Abstinence is a viable option for those who struggle moderating. Whether you struggle with refraining from overeating bacon or cupcakes, abstinence might work for you. On the other hand, many will find abstinence to be unsustainable and even triggering. Those individuals would probably find greater success moderating.
Get in where you fit in.4 -
...Whatever anyone wants to call it, the reality is the same: Abstinence is a viable option for those who struggle moderating. Whether you struggle with refraining from overeating bacon or cupcakes, abstinence might work for you. On the other hand, many will find abstinence to be unsustainable and even triggering. Those individuals would probably find greater success moderating...
Truth, and I don't think anybody is arguing that point. Abstinence is a viable option for virtually anything that somebody has trouble moderating. The disconnect in every one of these ridiculous sugar threads is the blanket fearmongering about "sugarz iz da debilz!!1!" and how it's poison and just like cocaine and heroin and you're going to end up finding yourself scantily clad on a dark street corner selling your body for your next Twinkie if you so much as taste the demon sugar.10
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