Weight loss woo keeps getting worse.
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Here, I'll toss in sugar addiction and how to properly address it:
http://physiqonomics.com/sugar-addiction-test/13 -
katnadreau wrote: »Y'all....I saw a bottle of "Detox Apple Cider vinegar" that has cinnamon, honey, and lemon in it, with the mother. I'm not sure what infuriated me more...that this existed, or that there was only one left on the shelf. It's also about 3 times as much as a the bottle of regular apple cider vinegar next to it. What a sad waste of money.
Cause you wanted to buy two bottles? :laugh:
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@YepItsKriss I should tell my GI about this at my upper endoscopy (no prep) next week. Luckily I will never ever have to do colon prep again0
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Woo will continue to get worse in the weight loss and fitness game primarily because there is a lot of money to be made in it. While Americans continue to get fatter, it is directly proportionate to a "Weight Loss and Weight Management" industry that as of 2017 generates 175.94 billion dollars a year.
The dynamic is simple if you are an enterprising entrepreneur or venture capitalist: Where else are you going to find such a desperate and gullible segment that is so willing to empty their wallets? The answer is not many, so why not take advantage of it? Just based upon the last 14 months of my experience here on MFP, If I ever get to a position in my life where I have the bank roll to throw some money around into projects, you guys will be my prime targets. It's a smart business decision.7 -
Cause you wanted to buy two bottles? :laugh: [/quote]
The added cinnamon might make for a good holiday marinade1 -
katnadreau wrote: »
Cause you wanted to buy two bottles? :laugh:
The added cinnamon might make for a good holiday marinade [/quote]
At this very moment there is a pork loin in my slow cooker. It was marinated in a mixture of dark brown sugar, golden raisins, and ACV. If it tastes half as good as it smells, I'm in for a treat. However, I'm pretty darn certain, it will not help me lose any weight.15 -
JustRobby1 wrote: »This is a trend I have noticed lately too, but I am not sure if it is because it is more prevalent or I am just paying more attention. The hard part about it for me is I know full well how people can get suckered into it since I have been there myself (I was once a cult of carb member). When you are desperate and grasping at straws it's easy to latch onto anything which you think might work, and even easier to engage in gargantuan feats of cognitive dissonance defending it even when the truth is right there in front of your face. I wasted months of my life barely losing anything believing in a false narrative. I consider myself a relatively intelligent guy, but that did not prevent this from happening. I am far from alone, but this provides no comfort for those wasted months I will never get back.
According to recent CDC data (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db219.pdf) obesity in the US is at a record high, and fad diets which promise the moon and chew people up and spit them out is not helping.
Re: The bolded
We have a serious problem. We haven't figured out how to solve it . . . but we've monetized the heck out of it. It's the American way!
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JustRobby1 wrote: »This is a trend I have noticed lately too, but I am not sure if it is because it is more prevalent or I am just paying more attention. The hard part about it for me is I know full well how people can get suckered into it since I have been there myself (I was once a cult of carb member). When you are desperate and grasping at straws it's easy to latch onto anything which you think might work, and even easier to engage in gargantuan feats of cognitive dissonance defending it even when the truth is right there in front of your face. I wasted months of my life barely losing anything believing in a false narrative. I consider myself a relatively intelligent guy, but that did not prevent this from happening. I am far from alone, but this provides no comfort for those wasted months I will never get back.
According to recent CDC data (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db219.pdf) obesity in the US is at a record high, and fad diets which promise the moon and chew people up and spit them out is not helping.
Re: The bolded
We have a serious problem. We haven't figured out how to solve it . . . but we've monetized the heck out of it. It's the American way!
True. And sadly, once confirmation bias sets in, it just keeps the money machine rolling. All we have to do is take a look at multiple new thread here each day to see the proof. Losing weight/fat is not easy but it is not nearly as complicated and each new scheme makes it seem.2 -
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YepItsKriss wrote: »It's really not.. while I advocate for exercise and good nutritional balance I see so many people make failure posts about how they couldnt work out for the 100th day in a row and have been avoiding every bad food in existence.
It's a shame they believe that this is the only way and have no middle ground
What I have always found odd is I have encountered lots of people here who seemed to be very bright and articulate, but who nonetheless fall into patterns of stupendously lazy and short sided thought on this particular facet of life which you would think you would be more likely to encounter from an ADHD diagnosed teenager.
Granted this is not a predicament you can think your way out of per se, but weight loss is similar in many respects to religion, politics and other polarizing subjects in that it has the uncanny ability to bring out the absolute worst sides of human nature and turn otherwise bright people into intellectually lazy neanderthals.7 -
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Oh, hey! I forgot about this thread. I already posted about fat-burning ice cream in the Nutrition forum, but here ya go.
http://rebelcreamery.com1 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Oh, hey! I forgot about this thread. I already posted about fat-burning ice cream in the Nutrition forum, but here ya go.
http://rebelcreamery.com
Oh FFS. Just imagine the people eating that stuff by the gallon and then wondering why they're gaining weight.4 -
Imagine a world where everyone had a basic level of science literacy? This whole industry would go broke!10
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People think throwing money at something will fix it. Hence the success of scam diet products.
Whereas MFP is free, as is how to use it, if people would use their brains instead of their wallets.
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I didn't look at the article you posted, so I'm not sure of everything it was claiming about parsley, but...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24660617
Parsley: a review of ethnopharmacology, phytochemistry and biological activities.
OBJECTIVE:
To summarize comprehensive information concerning ethnomedicinal uses, phytochemistry, and pharmacological activities of parsley.
METHODS:
Databases including PubMed, Scopus, Google Scholar, and Web of Science were searched for studies focusing on the ethnomedicinal use, phytochemical compounds and biological and pharmacological activities of parsley. Data were collected from 1966 to 2013. The search terms were: "Parsley" or "Petroselinum crispum" or "Petroselinum hortence".
RESULTS:
Parsley has been used as carminative, gastro tonic, diuretic, antiseptic of urinary tract, anti-urolithiasis, anti-dote and anti-inflammatory and for the treatment of amenorrhea, dysmenorrhea, gastrointestinal disorder, hypertension, cardiac disease, urinary disease, otitis, sniffle, diabetes and also various dermal disease in traditional and folklore medicines. Phenolic compounds and flavonoids particularly apigenin, apiin and 6"-Acetylapiin; essential oil mainly myristicin and apiol; and also coumarins are the active compounds identified in Petroselinum crispum. Wide range of pharmacological activity including antioxidant, hepatoprotective, brain protective, anti-diabetic, analgesic, spasmolytic, immunosuppressant, anti-platelet, gastroprotective, cytoprotective, laxative, estrogenic, diuretic, hypotensive, antibacterial and antifungal activities have been exhibited for this plant in modern medicine.
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According to the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health, maybe there might be a little something to what they were saying... On the other hand, it is extremely high in vitamin K and, obviously, consuming too much can be dangerous.1 -
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YepItsKriss wrote: »I didn't look at the article you posted, so I'm not sure of everything it was claiming about parsley, but...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24660617
Parsley: a review of ethnopharmacology, phytochemistry and biological activities.
OBJECTIVE:
To summarize comprehensive information concerning ethnomedicinal uses, phytochemistry, and pharmacological activities of parsley.
METHODS:
Databases including PubMed, Scopus, Google Scholar, and Web of Science were searched for studies focusing on the ethnomedicinal use, phytochemical compounds and biological and pharmacological activities of parsley. Data were collected from 1966 to 2013. The search terms were: "Parsley" or "Petroselinum crispum" or "Petroselinum hortence".
RESULTS:
Parsley has been used as carminative, gastro tonic, diuretic, antiseptic of urinary tract, anti-urolithiasis, anti-dote and anti-inflammatory and for the treatment of amenorrhea, dysmenorrhea, gastrointestinal disorder, hypertension, cardiac disease, urinary disease, otitis, sniffle, diabetes and also various dermal disease in traditional and folklore medicines. Phenolic compounds and flavonoids particularly apigenin, apiin and 6"-Acetylapiin; essential oil mainly myristicin and apiol; and also coumarins are the active compounds identified in Petroselinum crispum. Wide range of pharmacological activity including antioxidant, hepatoprotective, brain protective, anti-diabetic, analgesic, spasmolytic, immunosuppressant, anti-platelet, gastroprotective, cytoprotective, laxative, estrogenic, diuretic, hypotensive, antibacterial and antifungal activities have been exhibited for this plant in modern medicine.
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According to the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health, maybe there might be a little something to what they were saying... On the other hand, it is extremely high in vitamin K and, obviously, consuming too much can be dangerous.
Well, here is the nutshell version of the sites claims lol @sgtx81
Health benefits of Parsley:
Purifies the blood
Fights stress and anxiety
Reduces fluid retention
Acts as natural diuretic and eliminates excess water from your body
Prevent bladder and kidney infections
Has potent anti-inflammatory properties
Eliminates bad breath
Fights uric acid and inhibits cancer and tumor growth
You will need:
Handful of parley
1 lemon
1 cinnamon stick or 1 teaspoon of cinnamon powder
1 teaspoon of ACV
1 tablespoon of grated ginger
500 ml. of water
Preparation:
The preparation is very simple. Just put all of the ingredients in a blender and mix everything well until you get a homogenous smoothie. Consume this mixture before sleeping and you will able to lose weight fast. The effects of this drink are absolutely amazing!
And while.. I haven't really been going out of my way to learn all their is to know about parsley, the ingredients to this drink and the preparation method and the take this before bed and lose weight fast recommendation is really just woo. The fact that they have paired parsley with other weight loss woo items and detox drink items such as lemon, cinnamon, apple cider vinegar and ginger, they might as well ask you to sprinkle it with glitter also.
Well it is a diuretic so it could reduce fluid retention, it's a laxative so it can help clear your colon of all food that someone ate (to a certain extent), it has an antibacterial property so it could help fight bad breath, cinnamon has anti-inflammatory properties, as does ginger, the analgesic properties of parsley could help reduce pain, it's got hypotensive properties so it can help lower blood pressure, cinnamon can also help with reducing LDL and triglycerides, it can also raise HDL, it may help protect against cancer...
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/10-proven-benefits-of-cinnamon#section10 > with links to studies including this one; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24019277
Studies have shown that pretty much all of those ingredients have legitimate health benefits. These aren't crackpot websites, they're citing the real deal.
Sometimes things that sound silly have a lot more to them than one might think. I tend to run into people here who downplay what I'm saying when I post in various topics, but never take the time to look for themselves. I'm sure that drink recipe has many people do the same, based on the ingredients. It's always good to look first.13 -
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You also mentioned "colon emptying" and "magic properties" did you not? And flavonoids can help with weight management according to this study in the British medical journal. http://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.i17
If you look at the results of the study, that I cited in the first place you will see it lists flavonoids in the results section. So that covers weight, "colon emptying" and one could assume the "magic properties" you may have been talking about... of course, that's open to interpretation. At the very least it can prevent weight gain which is worth mentioning. http://www.medicaldaily.com/fruits-vegetables-weight-gain-weight-loss-371352 It's taking me like <5 minutes to find the sources I'm citing. Are you looking at all? Just curious.5 -
Eh, it doesn't really matter anyway... no one ever looks. Have a good night.2
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That's all fine except for the fact that the article you are citing doesn't say once that it is the parsley that leads to weight loss and it includes more than one ingredient, with apple cider vinegar being one with the potential to increase the metabolism of lipids. Granted the study was on another mammal it showed improved metabolism and reduced fat storage. But let's get to humans, since that's what matters...
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http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1271/bbb.90231
Acetic acid (AcOH), a main component of vinegar, recently was found to suppress body fat accumulation in animal studies.
Hence we investigated the effects of vinegar intake on the reduction of body fat mass in obese Japanese in a double-blind trial. The subjects were randomly assigned to three groups of similar body weight, body mass index (BMI), and waist circumference. During the 12-week treatment period, the subjects in each group ingested 500 ml daily of a beverage containing either 15 ml of vinegar (750 mg AcOH), 30 ml of vinegar (1,500 mg AcOH), or 0 ml of vinegar (0 mg AcOH, placebo).
Body weight, BMI, visceral fat area, waist circumference, and serum triglyceride levels were significantly lower in both vinegar intake groups than in the placebo group. In conclusion, daily intake of vinegar might be useful in the prevention of metabolic syndrome by reducing obesity.
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Unless you can show me where the article attributes it to parsley, that's good enough for me. A number of the claims have been verified by studies or peer reviews attributable to one ingredient or another. This Japanese study doesn't mention exercise first. It appears the majority of the claims are legitimate. No miracles, no massive and instantaneous results, but overall true if given time, based on the ingredients alone. All ingredients cover the following combo... anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial, diuretic (helps flush toxins -including uric acid- via the urinary tract), laxative (helps rid toxins via bowel movements) increased metabolism of fat. Check, check and check.7 -
Donuts may assist my weight loss by stopping me binging. Therefore donuts are a weight loss aid.
If you word anything carefully enough and presage it with “May” you can avoid all accountability but still draw (sometimes spurious) conclusions.14 -
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lol you want to keep telling yourself you know better than doctors and scientists and scientific studies be my guest. I'm not getting this from the national enquirer. When you do your own studies, it might mean something... right now... not so much. And again it NEVER makes the claim it is the parsley doing it, you're the one saying that. It's a strawman argument.21
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GrumpyHeadmistress wrote: »Donuts may assist my weight loss by stopping me binging. Therefore donuts are a weight loss aid.
If you word anything carefully enough and presage it with “May” you can avoid all accountability but still draw (sometimes spurious) conclusions.
That argument is a double edged sword, don't cut yourself.11 -
YepItsKriss wrote: »I know that weight loss is achieved without vinegar, cinnamon, lemon, parsley and ginger.
I do not need to be smarter then doctors or scientists I just need to use common sense appropriately.
You can cling to those studies for dear life but it still doesn't change the fact that those ingredients blended in a blender and consumed before bed and nothing more has to change will result in weight loss fast.
Do you know what lipids are? Do you know what increased metabolism is? Can you put the two together and figure out what that means? Do you understand the Japanese study which is a legitimate study showed weight loss in two groups consuming vinegar over a 12 week period? Is this really rocket science? This study contradicts what you are saying and you are not coming up with anything valid to counter the study. You must think very highly of yourself to be smarter than doctors, scientists, etc. Must be nice. If you have a legit study that says otherwise, point to it and it will mean WAY more than you dropping an lol and saying it simply cant be because you said so.38
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