November 2017 Running Challenge
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Hugs @RespecttheKitty . Hope the meds settle down soon.
@PastorVincent . . . I have no knowledge or experience but as an objective observer, I think a 50k the weekend after going for a marathon PR sounds like the beginning of a cautionary tale, especially since you've mentioned you have heart issues. Be careful. Go with your gut. Finishing a 30k trail race will be an impressive, masterful feat all on its own. And be sure to read the link @juliet3455 shared earlier about the lies trail runners tell
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Nov 8 – Strength, 1.85 miles 1-4% incline run/walk treadmill, 10 floors on beastly stair climber machine, and 4.36 mile hike
Nov 9 – 2.05 mile easy run
MTD: 11.14 / 50 miles
I tried out the stair climber machine yesterday for a few minutes . . . to 10 floors. It was as terrifying to start as it looked. It tried to eat my toes a few times as I first walked on it the same way I would a regular staircase. Nope. Turns out my feet are too big. Proper foot placement took some getting used to. It was a great workout, and will be even better once I brave letting go of the arms. I am even more impressed now by how confidently the one girl uses it. I feel as if someone should video me; I just know I'm going to have a YouTube-worthy crash the second I lose focus.
When you record floors on Strava sometimes, how are you doing them @7lenny7? I am adding incline on the treadmill because my heart rate jumps as soon as I hit one in a race since it is so flat where I live. Thanks for the advice about being sure to run downhill too. I didn't see a way to reverse the machine. I'll have to figure out a way to get some downhill time in.2 -
RunRachelleRun wrote: »Hugs @RespecttheKitty . Hope the meds settle down soon.
@PastorVincent . . . I have no knowledge or experience but as an objective observer, I think a 50k the weekend after going for a marathon PR sounds like the beginning of a cautionary tale, especially since you've mentioned you have heart issues. Be careful. Go with your gut. Finishing a 30k trail race will be an impressive, masterful feat all on its own. And be sure to read the link @juliet3455 shared earlier about the lies trail runners tell
MIssed that link, do you have it handy? If not I can try scrolling back through 27 pages...0 -
@RunRachelleRun Glad you tackled those stairs! I don't think I'd ever let go of the rails. Heck, on a flat surface I often have one foot invade the space of the other! I'm slated for a face plant!0
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11/1- 25 minutes strength training (legs)+ 3.7 miles treadmill intervals
11/2-5.3 miles
11/3-5.1 miles
11/4-10 miles +2.8 miles pub crawl
11/5-rest day (dog walking, but that was it)
11/6- 5 miles + 1.5 miles with Stella
11/7-4.4 miles + 1.1 miles with Stella
11/8-4.9 miles + stretching2 -
PastorVincent wrote: »RunRachelleRun wrote: »Hugs @RespecttheKitty . Hope the meds settle down soon.
@PastorVincent . . . I have no knowledge or experience but as an objective observer, I think a 50k the weekend after going for a marathon PR sounds like the beginning of a cautionary tale, especially since you've mentioned you have heart issues. Be careful. Go with your gut. Finishing a 30k trail race will be an impressive, masterful feat all on its own. And be sure to read the link @juliet3455 shared earlier about the lies trail runners tell
MIssed that link, do you have it handy? If not I can try scrolling back through 27 pages...
https://www.liftheavyrunlong.com/trail-ultra-liars/1 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »RunRachelleRun wrote: »Hugs @RespecttheKitty . Hope the meds settle down soon.
@PastorVincent . . . I have no knowledge or experience but as an objective observer, I think a 50k the weekend after going for a marathon PR sounds like the beginning of a cautionary tale, especially since you've mentioned you have heart issues. Be careful. Go with your gut. Finishing a 30k trail race will be an impressive, masterful feat all on its own. And be sure to read the link @juliet3455 shared earlier about the lies trail runners tell
MIssed that link, do you have it handy? If not I can try scrolling back through 27 pages...
https://www.liftheavyrunlong.com/trail-ultra-liars/
Oh that is perfect! HA!1 -
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PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »RunRachelleRun wrote: »Hugs @RespecttheKitty . Hope the meds settle down soon.
@PastorVincent . . . I have no knowledge or experience but as an objective observer, I think a 50k the weekend after going for a marathon PR sounds like the beginning of a cautionary tale, especially since you've mentioned you have heart issues. Be careful. Go with your gut. Finishing a 30k trail race will be an impressive, masterful feat all on its own. And be sure to read the link @juliet3455 shared earlier about the lies trail runners tell
MIssed that link, do you have it handy? If not I can try scrolling back through 27 pages...
https://www.liftheavyrunlong.com/trail-ultra-liars/
Oh that is perfect! HA!
it's also all lies. We are perfectly reasonable people who know how to assess risk/reward and make decisions accordingly.......1 -
Hey guys guess what? I did some running today! I stayed home from work because I woke up with a panic attack. My boyfriend stayed home with me. He suggested I go for a walk, which I did, and that walk turned into a slowish run. Only 1.5 miles, but it felt good to get out there and do it again after so much suffering. And to do it outside instead of on the treadmill. Nice fall weather, leaves everywhere, so nice.
I texted my doctor about my problems with the new meds and she told me to reduce my dosage. Hoping that will help a bit.
I'm not going to be breaking any distance records this month, that's for sure. But it does feel good to run, even if I'm feeling like complete *kitten*, so a least I have that.16 -
Thanks @MNLittleFinn . . . I didn't want to scroll back either lol
Clutzes unite @Elise4270 !
@RespecttheKitty That is sad and amazing. I run backwards once in a while in a warm-up and can barely manage 30 feet without falling.0 -
@RespectTheKitty I'm really happy you got a run today. It sucks that you had a panic attack, but I'm super glad that you got the run in.0
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MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »RunRachelleRun wrote: »Hugs @RespecttheKitty . Hope the meds settle down soon.
@PastorVincent . . . I have no knowledge or experience but as an objective observer, I think a 50k the weekend after going for a marathon PR sounds like the beginning of a cautionary tale, especially since you've mentioned you have heart issues. Be careful. Go with your gut. Finishing a 30k trail race will be an impressive, masterful feat all on its own. And be sure to read the link @juliet3455 shared earlier about the lies trail runners tell
MIssed that link, do you have it handy? If not I can try scrolling back through 27 pages...
https://www.liftheavyrunlong.com/trail-ultra-liars/
Oh that is perfect! HA!
it's also all lies. We are perfectly reasonable people who know how to assess risk/reward and make decisions accordingly.......
The sarcasm is strong in this one.0 -
RespectTheKitty wrote: »
Woah. Impressive as heck!0 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »@RespectTheKitty I'm really happy you got a run today. It sucks that you had a panic attack, but I'm super glad that you got the run in.
This.0 -
PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »RunRachelleRun wrote: »Hugs @RespecttheKitty . Hope the meds settle down soon.
@PastorVincent . . . I have no knowledge or experience but as an objective observer, I think a 50k the weekend after going for a marathon PR sounds like the beginning of a cautionary tale, especially since you've mentioned you have heart issues. Be careful. Go with your gut. Finishing a 30k trail race will be an impressive, masterful feat all on its own. And be sure to read the link @juliet3455 shared earlier about the lies trail runners tell
MIssed that link, do you have it handy? If not I can try scrolling back through 27 pages...
https://www.liftheavyrunlong.com/trail-ultra-liars/
Oh that is perfect! HA!
it's also all lies. We are perfectly reasonable people who know how to assess risk/reward and make decisions accordingly.......
The sarcasm is strong in this one.
Me????? I'm never sarcastic..... and trail runners are extremely nice and honest people. Why, a trail runner helped me understand that I wanted to run a trail marathon 4 weeks after my first ever 26.2, then helped me realize that I wanted to run a 100k 4 months after my first marathon... perfectly reasonable if you ask me.3 -
RunRachelleRun wrote: »When you record floors on Strava sometimes, how are you doing them @7lenny7? I am adding incline on the treadmill because my heart rate jumps as soon as I hit one in a race since it is so flat where I live. Thanks for the advice about being sure to run downhill too. I didn't see a way to reverse the machine. I'll have to figure out a way to get some downhill time in.
@RunRachelleRun FWIW, the treadmill terrifies me.
The stairs I'm doing are in a lightly used stairwell at work. A 6 floor building means 5 floors of climbing and descending each "lap". The floors are 13 feet each but Garmin counts a floor as 10 feet in its calculations so I multiply my actual floors by 1.3 to make them the same.
In Strava I manually record the activity as a "Walk" because I feel that's more accurate than recording it as a "Stair-Stepper" The only accounting for the number of floors is in the title. The key stat for me is recording the elevation, which is then included in my elevation chart.
So far this month I've done 252 floors. I've been very inconsistent in walking the stairs so I've set up a goal in Garmin Connect of 800 floors per month, hoping it will get me to make it a habit. I'll be increasing that number each month.
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5 mile progression run on the treadmill this morning.. contrary to popular opinion i actually dont mind the treadmill. I chose it today tho because its the only option i really have for a softer surface as the constant concrete sidewalk kills my feet. Listened to the playlist i have planned for my upcoming 10k. i am OBSESSIVE about my music. It is programmed with my goals in mind and I know exactly what song should be playing when I am crossing the finish line. Have to replace a song as it was motivating enough for a fast race like a 10k. LOL. I know Im crazy, but this works for me
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11/1 = 10 miles
11/2 = strength training
11/3 = 5 miles
11/4 = 19 miles
11/5 = rest day
11/6 = 4.5 miles and strength training
11/7 = 8.5 miles
11/8 = rest day
11/9 = 6 miles
53/175 (September goal miles)
Upcoming Races:
11/11 = New Braunfels Half Marathon
11/23 = Georgetown Turkey Trot
12/10 = BCS Marathon
1/6/18 = River Road Run Half Marathon2 -
@7lenny7 Thanks! That's awesome you have that at your work.
I'm getting used to the treadmill, and I like the ones at the gym because I get to run virtual trails all over the world, which keeps it pretty interesting. I don't love when the incline changes and the treadmill jolts up or down suddenly, but I'm getting used to it and haven't fallen off yet. That staircase machine is a whole other story. I will feel very accomplished if I use it regularly and become skilled at it.
@RespecttheKitty That's wonderful you got outside for a walk that turned into a run!0 -
Great 5 mi run this morning in the sunshine. So welcome after so many days of rain and clouds. Good PT sessions for 2 hours today--lots of scraping.
Goals this month: Do 1 shorter race, plan for spring racing (register for 2 races), 90 mi total
Day/Distance/Comments
11/1 Walked outside for 45 min + did my PT
11/2 Ran 3.5 mi + walked 0.75 mi + PT
11/3 Fail (intended to run but ran out of time before leaving town)
11/4 Walked while out of town
11/5 Ran 10 mi + stretched
11/6 Water walked + stretched and foam rolled a bit
11/7 Ran 3.5 mi + walked a bit
11/8 Walked outside + getting back on track with PT
11/9 Ran 5 mi + walked 1 mi + PT
Goal: 90 mi
Total: 22 mi
To go: 68 mi2 -
Got my 3 miles in today even though I woke up 30 minutes late. The gray skies and comfy bed conspire against me!7
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01/11 3.64 miles
02/11 3.61 miles
04/11 4.18 miles - enjoyed 2days run, first that's felt normal in ages
07/11 3.81 miles - lovely frosty evening
08/11 4.20miles
09/11 3.6 miles - Got rained on the whole time but like someone in an earlier post said about cold vs run - It was worth it!
@RespectTheKitty - I'm glad getting out made you feel a little bit better. I always think the 'getting out' is the hardest part.3 -
November goal: 70 miles
11/1: 3.4 miles
11/2: 3.1 miles
11/5: 7.7 miles
11/7: 4 miles
11/9: 3.5 miles
21.7/70 miles
I had a wonderful run today. It was one of those runs where I ran out of time before I ran out of stamina. I felt like I could just keep on running. It was pretty cold (for me) 49F and so I ran pretty fast (for me). I actually had my 2nd fastest 5K time. My best time was in a race so I felt really good about that. Tomorrow I'm heading to Denton to see my son for the weekend. I'm really excited about that. Today is "Friday" for me as I'm taking off tomorrow and Monday. I'll have to try to check in on here at least a few times. I'm sure if I wait until Monday I'll be thousands of posts behind. I hope every one has a great weekend!
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@bjderhak Almost forgot to reply to this. This is just my personal experience but Skechers Go Walk type shoes are what seemed to start my PF about 4 years ago. My first ordeal with it was about 6 months and I had never even heard of it before. I tried everything I read online (stretching, icing, rolling), then 6 months later I got new shoes and magically the PF went away :-o Ever since then, if I try to go back to a memory foam type shoe, I get a flare up. I seem to do fine as long as I wear a sturdier type shoe instead of something soft, flexible, or flat. I have really tight calves and hamstrings also. I'm currently trying to switch to lower drop shoes which is causing a manageable flare since I'm only running a few miles in them every few days and not wearing them all the time.
@greenlikeatree i bought a few different versions of sketchers go walk shoes and flip flops for the cushioning. I used to wear nike memory foam sandals. For reference - I work at a poolside tiki bar so flip flops are a perfectly acceptable shoe choice. lol the floors are concrete except for a little anti fatigue mat by the register that i stand on whenever im standing still. I have extremely tight calves/hamstrings and I know this is contributing to the PF. I stretch and foam roll and do the golf ball thing but im sure not enough. I bought a night splint, helps for that morning pain but its uncomfortable. I have found that wearing compression socks at work tends to help with the tight calves. Its not unbearable pain (anymore) but its a constant nagging.
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Date Miles today - Miles for November
11/1 5 miles - 5
11/2 8 miles - 13
11/3 REST DAY
11/4 11.5 miles - 24.5
11/5 REST DAY
11/6 Lightening (no running)
11/7 8 miles - 32.5
11/8 4.75 miles - 37.25
11/9 8 miles - 45.25
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (unofficial) - 1/21 << 1:46:48 2 OA
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (rescheduled) - 2/18 << 1:41:04 1 in AG & 24 OA
Kentucky Derby Festival Marathon - 4/29 << 4:09:59
Upcoming races:
Oak Barrel Half Marathon - 4/7/18
Hi all. Sorry I been quiet all week. Work was busy.
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11/1 - Started month with unplanned rest day. Damn I hate colds!
11/2 - 5 miles on a perfect morning to run (43° F and little wind)
11/3 - Unplanned rest day...can't shake this stupid virus!
11/4 - 5.1 miles.
11/5 - Planned rest day / church, etc.
11/6 - 5.1 miles. A bit chilly for November...wind chill was 19° F.
11/7 - 5 miles. A little warmer today.
11/8 - Overslept and didn't have time to run :-(
11/9 - 5 miles. Wind was brutal.
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@MobyCarp What exactly happened to your ankle anyway? I keep reading you mentioning it being injured, but obviously that happened before October when I started reading the monthly challenge threads.Seconded, though I can't remember what happened. While we're on the subject... every day I see @MobyCarp post about his workout, then inevitably he/you post about your ankle hurting and having to ice it.
I hope you don't think I'm being confrontational, but I really wonder if you need to rest a lot longer, and get more tests done.
Also, isn't icing just preventing the natural healing process from happening? Assuming it's even an inflammation-based injury?
Sorry, Moby. I'd just hate to lose one of my major running inspirations due to permanent damage.
By popular demand (okay, because two people asked), here is a recap. I needed to work through how I think about this anyway.
I had been training for the Rochester Marathon in September, and got some niggles in my right Achilles. I kind of babied it along, backing off the effort some but not (in 20-20 hindsight) enough. Ran two races hard on Wednesday and Saturday of the same week in August. Finished 4th overall in Pound the Ground 10K, clinching my age group for the GRTC Runner of the Year series. Ran a respectable 19:47 in Bergen 5K, which I thought was a waste because I was only running to support the team, and we ended up not having a complete team anyway. Then next day it felt like I had an ankle sprain.
Verdict from the podiatrist was posterior tibial tendinitis, a probable partial tear of the PTT. He put me in a boot for about 2 weeks, and I went to physical therapy. Didn't run a step for over a month. DNS'd the Michigan Mile (last August), Oak Tree Half (September 2) and Rochester Marathon (September 16). Didn't register for 3 USATF national races in October.
On September 20, the podiatrist told me it was time to work through some discomfort - run some, get some deep tissue massage, break up the lesions that formed when resting/healing the PTT. He specifically told me to ice down the ankle after running; the sound track was that this is intended to prevent new lesions from forming. I haven't been terribly good at doing that when the ankle feels good, but I've been consistent when the ankle gives me any warning twinge at all. I set out to start from not much of anything and build up. I ran all of 21 miles in September, then got up to 36 miles per week by the end of October. Ran my first post-injury race on October 29, a 6K cross country effort on a nice soft course.
So . . . you know the classic movie pattern where the protagonist has a setback, then they show a few clips of abject failure, maybe a shot of mediocre ability to do something, then pick up the story again when the protagonist is able to train in earnest? Right now, I'm late in the period that lands on the cutting room floor. My training task is to work back up to real training, gradually enough so that I don't re-injure myself. The medical professionals can't tell me exactly how much to do; I have to figure that out on my own. This is difficult because there is no bell ringing when I get it right. There will only be pain for doing too much.
So I write out my thoughts after I run, because this helps me sort through how the ankle feels and what I need to do about it. I've been surprised several times, both by the ankle aching more than I expect and by it aching less than I expect. Last Saturday I was shocked that I needed to quit after 7 miles, even though there were twinges earlier than that. Yesterday evening went about how I expected, no complaints from the ankle during but some muttering afterward. This evening I was surprised that I ran 7 miles and the ankle acted . . . like it was totally healthy.
I know the ankle is not yet totally healthy. I don't have a good measurement of how close it is. So I do what I can, and adjust what I do based on how the ankle feels, hoping to get it close enough. There is no way I can get it down perfectly. I see some things that seem to be correlated with more or less aching, but each run is different enough from any other that I'm not totally sure about causality.
And you all just have to live with the fact that I post these musings. Either that, or skip past what I write to read the next amusing story about trail runners.
@MobyCarp I love your "musings"!!! It actually gives great insight to newbies like me. Thank you for being here and sharing your knowledge. Good and bad as it may be, it is still very helpful!4 -
fitoverfortymom wrote: »In theory, trail running is something that I would enjoy, but I live in the foothills near Denver, CO, so trail running here is really code for "running up a big *kitten* mountain." I wish we had flat, meandering dirt paths with a few rolling hills baked in, but nope, we have the Rocky *kitten* Mountains.
@fitoverfortymom - not too far from Denver - depending on where in Denver you are, I guess... is the Greenland open space at larkspur. I have ran a trail race there twice- the race course has one pretty good "fml" type hill, but other wise it's nice rolling trail track type stuff.... and it has lots of trail choices other than the way they take the race route.
Fair warning, it can look like either of the pics below the end of April... so I would perhaps investigate it this next summer??? And not put it down for a mid winter activity.
Larkspur is where they have the Colorado Renaissance Festival every year! That area is GORGEOUS!1
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