November 2018 Monthly Running Challenge
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Today I ran 4.1 miles. It was really cold this morning ~26F with feels like temps of ~19F. And it was not much warmer at lunch so I ran after work. It was still ~43F with feels like 33F and kind of windy so it was still pretty cold for me. I'm really not a fan of cold weather. I'll complain about the heat, but really the cold bothers me more. I kind of dreaded the run all day, but it was a really good run and I just had fun and was so glad I did it. I guess sometimes just getting out the door is all you need. I ran home from my office and looped through the park and the cemetery to get 4 miles since it is only about 2 miles if I ran straight home. The sun was shining which was nice. And the cold wasn't too bad. My route was a little too shady which is ironic because I am usually trying to find the shadiest route. And when I got home my ears were kind of hurting. I still haven't quite figured out what I need to wear when I run in the cold, but overall it was ok. I do want to get some sleeves and I just haven't found the right ear covering yet. The toboggan I wore on today worked better for me on Saturday but not as well today. Tomorrow will be cold again, but should be nice at lunch so I am going to try to run on my lunch break.
When I first read this I thought those were negative temps. I was like DANG she one tough cookie running in NEGATIVE 43 degrees!0 -
@rheddmobile Thanks! I'll have to look into that.
@PastorVincent No. I don't think I would leave the house if it was that cold. Just a wuss from Texas who isn't used to going outside in cold weather. 😁 I honestly don't know how some of y'all run in the cold temps you run in. I think 14F is the coldest temp I ever remember.5 -
W4D2 of c210k. Accidentally took too many rest days in a row. Partially because I misplaced my inhaler, and exercise triggers my asthma. I'm hoping to maybe snag some new running shoes on black friday, so maybe a pair of trail shoes is in my future.
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rheddmobile wrote: »@sarahthes - I have been told that an MRI is better for a suspected stress fracture unless it is a significant break it won't show up on an x-ray. That said my doctor ordered an x-ray too and it was negative but they called it inconclusive. My daughter said the x-ray was 'pointless'...
@shanaber yep x-ray is pretty much pointless, MRI is good, or nuclear medicine scan are also good. is your daughter a radiogrpher/radiologist?
X-rays for suspected stress fractures are mostly pointless, true, but... if you DO happen to spot an obvious stress fracture you can save the couple of thousand dollars for the MRI, which makes it worthwhile depending on your insurance.
ah I always forget about the insurance issue over there. To be fair, here I think they will do xray first, then maybe a nuclear medicine study, and then MRI, unless you are a professional athlete. All on the government. But its all triaged by a orthopaedic surgeon, no just rocking up and booking an MRI, and waits are LONG (4-6 months) generally. unless you can prove it was an accident.
Wow! I called on a Monday, had my first appointment and xray Tuesday, MRI and consultation with the surgeon Wednesday, and surgery Thursday.
I just got the bill for my surgery today. $6800 total, after insurance I'll pay $650. I'll gladly pay that for what I received.
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rheddmobile wrote: »@sarahthes - I have been told that an MRI is better for a suspected stress fracture unless it is a significant break it won't show up on an x-ray. That said my doctor ordered an x-ray too and it was negative but they called it inconclusive. My daughter said the x-ray was 'pointless'...
@shanaber yep x-ray is pretty much pointless, MRI is good, or nuclear medicine scan are also good. is your daughter a radiogrpher/radiologist?
X-rays for suspected stress fractures are mostly pointless, true, but... if you DO happen to spot an obvious stress fracture you can save the couple of thousand dollars for the MRI, which makes it worthwhile depending on your insurance.
ah I always forget about the insurance issue over there. To be fair, here I think they will do xray first, then maybe a nuclear medicine study, and then MRI, unless you are a professional athlete. All on the government. But its all triaged by a orthopaedic surgeon, no just rocking up and booking an MRI, and waits are LONG (4-6 months) generally. unless you can prove it was an accident.
Wow! I called on a Monday, had my first appointment and xray Tuesday, MRI and consultation with the surgeon Wednesday, and surgery Thursday.
I just got the bill for my surgery today. $6800 total, after insurance I'll pay $650. I'll gladly pay that for what I received.
Yes, it'd be much the same here if you use your private insurance. What @avidkeo is talking about is the free public health system.1 -
ContraryMaryMary wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »@sarahthes - I have been told that an MRI is better for a suspected stress fracture unless it is a significant break it won't show up on an x-ray. That said my doctor ordered an x-ray too and it was negative but they called it inconclusive. My daughter said the x-ray was 'pointless'...
@shanaber yep x-ray is pretty much pointless, MRI is good, or nuclear medicine scan are also good. is your daughter a radiogrpher/radiologist?
X-rays for suspected stress fractures are mostly pointless, true, but... if you DO happen to spot an obvious stress fracture you can save the couple of thousand dollars for the MRI, which makes it worthwhile depending on your insurance.
ah I always forget about the insurance issue over there. To be fair, here I think they will do xray first, then maybe a nuclear medicine study, and then MRI, unless you are a professional athlete. All on the government. But its all triaged by a orthopaedic surgeon, no just rocking up and booking an MRI, and waits are LONG (4-6 months) generally. unless you can prove it was an accident.
Wow! I called on a Monday, had my first appointment and xray Tuesday, MRI and consultation with the surgeon Wednesday, and surgery Thursday.
I just got the bill for my surgery today. $6800 total, after insurance I'll pay $650. I'll gladly pay that for what I received.
Yes, it'd be much the same here if you use your private insurance. What @avidkeo is talking about is the free public health system.
I understood that, I'm just amazed at the difference.
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Saw the podiatrist and sadly she thinks it is a probable stress fracture of my 2nd metatarsal. It is swollen and was very sore when she manipulated it. She showed me some abnormality in the bone on the x-ray that is only apparent on that bone and said it is indicative of a stress fracture. She will take another x-ray in 3 weeks to confirm but in the meantime I am in a boot/shoe thing for those 3 weeks and no running for at least 6 weeks.😢 I am very sad to be missing out on Fall and Winter running... hopefully the cool weather sticks around until February!
@avidkeo - my daughter is a pediatrician, just finished her residency. So exciting to be coming over this way! Will you be in Los Angeles or Louisiana? If Los Angeles what part?
@lkpducky - I thought the humidity would be better here when we got home but it is worse than Reno and Boise! Are you near the fires and/or getting smoke? I am in the OC and was surprised to be getting smoke and ash here especially with the winds blowing mostly from the east.
@rheddmobile - it depends on the 'older' people... I am getting to be one of those and I don't function well without 8 or even 9 hours of sleep. DH too, although he goes to bed early and gets up early and I tend to go to bed late and sleep later...
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So i got out and did 13k this morning. I have one more run, 5k on Friday, before my big day. And yes this is MY big day because I've been building to this all year. and I just found out we get medals! Didn't know that. so excited.
Today's run was great, much better than yesterdays, I think I'm starting to prefer longer runs, 8k minimum these days. though 13k before work is a bit of a challenge, I was up at 5 instead of 5:20. and I kept my pace slower. Still not as slow as it should be but slower. oh well. Rest tomorrow, and I will rest, probably go for a gentle walk and stretch/roll in the evening. will see.
Hang on a minute..... you mean the medal wasn't the whole reason you signed up for it? lol
I even agreed to pay an extra € or so to have my time lasered onto my medal. The idea being it will always be cherished as my very first real live race medal (I have a couple from virtual races) and in yeras to come I will be able to look at the time on it and laugh my head off at how slow I was (or cry over how fast I used to be.....)
So excited for you, can't wait to hear how it goes, I know you're going to rock it!
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rheddmobile wrote: »@sarahthes - I have been told that an MRI is better for a suspected stress fracture unless it is a significant break it won't show up on an x-ray. That said my doctor ordered an x-ray too and it was negative but they called it inconclusive. My daughter said the x-ray was 'pointless'...
@shanaber yep x-ray is pretty much pointless, MRI is good, or nuclear medicine scan are also good. is your daughter a radiogrpher/radiologist?
X-rays for suspected stress fractures are mostly pointless, true, but... if you DO happen to spot an obvious stress fracture you can save the couple of thousand dollars for the MRI, which makes it worthwhile depending on your insurance.
ah I always forget about the insurance issue over there. To be fair, here I think they will do xray first, then maybe a nuclear medicine study, and then MRI, unless you are a professional athlete. All on the government. But its all triaged by a orthopaedic surgeon, no just rocking up and booking an MRI, and waits are LONG (4-6 months) generally. unless you can prove it was an accident.
Wow! I called on a Monday, had my first appointment and xray Tuesday, MRI and consultation with the surgeon Wednesday, and surgery Thursday.
I just got the bill for my surgery today. $6800 total, after insurance I'll pay $650. I'll gladly pay that for what I received.
@ 7lenny7 Oh your situation would have happened as quickly here. We have a kind of universal insurance for accidents and injuries, and yours would be covered under that. It's a great system most of the time, but stress fractures are difficult to diagnose and really the only real treatment is rest. Yours requires urgent surgery or it doesn't heal properly. Oh and wouldn't cost a cent.
Or what @ContraryMaryMary said. We kinda have two systems, public system and ACC.
ACC is like a private provider that covers any accidents and injury - so long as you can say "on this day st this time, this happened that caused this injury". If you are covered by that all your treatment an happen privately and generally happens really quick. I got an MRI scan of my shoulder after my car accident really quick for example.
Public system is for everything else, so arthritis and need a hip replacement, public system. Because its public money it's all triaged and done on need, so if you can hang on for years you go on a waiting list. Time for MRI can be months in this system if its not urgent. Anything urgent is seen within days or hours.
Not perfect but you don't have to worry about coverage, or hospital networks etc
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eleanorhawkins wrote: »So i got out and did 13k this morning. I have one more run, 5k on Friday, before my big day. And yes this is MY big day because I've been building to this all year. and I just found out we get medals! Didn't know that. so excited.
Today's run was great, much better than yesterdays, I think I'm starting to prefer longer runs, 8k minimum these days. though 13k before work is a bit of a challenge, I was up at 5 instead of 5:20. and I kept my pace slower. Still not as slow as it should be but slower. oh well. Rest tomorrow, and I will rest, probably go for a gentle walk and stretch/roll in the evening. will see.
Hang on a minute..... you mean the medal wasn't the whole reason you signed up for it? lol
I even agreed to pay an extra € or so to have my time lasered onto my medal. The idea being it will always be cherished as my very first real live race medal (I have a couple from virtual races) and in yeras to come I will be able to look at the time on it and laugh my head off at how slow I was (or cry over how fast I used to be.....)
So excited for you, can't wait to hear how it goes, I know you're going to rock it!
Thanks, nope didn't know till today bahaha. I may be wrong but I think medals. Are fairly new here... @ContraryMaryMary? I know when I did my first half, in 2011, there wasn't medals then.0 -
eleanorhawkins wrote: »So i got out and did 13k this morning. I have one more run, 5k on Friday, before my big day. And yes this is MY big day because I've been building to this all year. and I just found out we get medals! Didn't know that. so excited.
Today's run was great, much better than yesterdays, I think I'm starting to prefer longer runs, 8k minimum these days. though 13k before work is a bit of a challenge, I was up at 5 instead of 5:20. and I kept my pace slower. Still not as slow as it should be but slower. oh well. Rest tomorrow, and I will rest, probably go for a gentle walk and stretch/roll in the evening. will see.
Hang on a minute..... you mean the medal wasn't the whole reason you signed up for it? lol
I even agreed to pay an extra € or so to have my time lasered onto my medal. The idea being it will always be cherished as my very first real live race medal (I have a couple from virtual races) and in yeras to come I will be able to look at the time on it and laugh my head off at how slow I was (or cry over how fast I used to be.....)
So excited for you, can't wait to hear how it goes, I know you're going to rock it!
Thanks, nope didn't know till today bahaha. I may be wrong but I think medals. Are fairly new here... @ContraryMaryMary? I know when I did my first half, in 2011, there wasn't medals then.
Well damn! Extra motivation then :-)
The half at the end of March that I keep having to make myself wait to sign up for, not only do you get a medal, you get a mug too, the design on which apparently changes every year. How can one resist that? T-shirt, mug AND medal?
Wednesday is short run day for me so only 5km (mind still boggles over that only!). Decided what husband doesn't know won't hurt him and took the road round behind the industrial estate, which is short but has nice flat, wide pavements in a good state of repair and not too many walkers or other runners on them, so is a nice easy option. Don't know what he worries about either, on week days there's a constant stream of traffic on that road so it's not like I'd get kidnapped and nobody would notice.
Anyway, came round a corner on my way there and OMG almost became a jogger. There was a guy, looked to be in his 20s, stretched out out cold in the middle of the pavement. I was saved from becoming a jogger because A.) I don't THINK he was dead (though he was very still and very pale) and B.) there were a couple of police officers there so I wasn't actually the one to find him. They'd put their jackets over him, but not over his head so I'm assuming he was just unconscious. (Do they cover their faces in real life if they're dead or is that just on the TV?) Wondering what had happened to him kept my brain busy during my run, and the few rain drops kept me feeling fresh.
2/11: 7km
4/11: 11km
6/11: 7km
7/11: 5km
9/11: 7km
11/11: 13km
13/11: 8km
14/11: 5km
November goal: 125km. Completed so far: 63km6 -
eleanorhawkins wrote: »So i got out and did 13k this morning. I have one more run, 5k on Friday, before my big day. And yes this is MY big day because I've been building to this all year. and I just found out we get medals! Didn't know that. so excited.
Today's run was great, much better than yesterdays, I think I'm starting to prefer longer runs, 8k minimum these days. though 13k before work is a bit of a challenge, I was up at 5 instead of 5:20. and I kept my pace slower. Still not as slow as it should be but slower. oh well. Rest tomorrow, and I will rest, probably go for a gentle walk and stretch/roll in the evening. will see.
Hang on a minute..... you mean the medal wasn't the whole reason you signed up for it? lol
I even agreed to pay an extra € or so to have my time lasered onto my medal. The idea being it will always be cherished as my very first real live race medal (I have a couple from virtual races) and in yeras to come I will be able to look at the time on it and laugh my head off at how slow I was (or cry over how fast I used to be.....)
So excited for you, can't wait to hear how it goes, I know you're going to rock it!
Thanks, nope didn't know till today bahaha. I may be wrong but I think medals. Are fairly new here... @ContraryMaryMary? I know when I did my first half, in 2011, there wasn't medals then.
Nope. Never got a medal for Kerikeri and I’ve run it three times!
That’s one area I’m different from many runners - medals aren’t really my thing. I used to throw them away!! I only started keeping them when I had children for them to play with!! I couldn’t (can’t) understand them as a draw card. Now a free t-shirt, jacket or hat, on the other hand... as long as they’re good quality technical fabric...3 -
@ContraryMaryMary wow lol I'm all about the shiny. Talking of which, they just posted the design for the medal for the March race on facebook! I want one!!!!!
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@shanaber sorry about your stress fracture and no running for 6 weeks. I'm sure there will be plenty of cold weather left for you somewhere Hope it heals up quickly and you can find good ways to enjoy your enforced no-running time. Is hydro running an option?
The possible 10 inches of lake effect snow overnight did not materialize fortunately, only a couple of inches on the ground at this point and a few flakes in the air. Fingers crossed for travel.3 -
I am on week four of my Fat to First Mile program. I have lost 9 pounds and can run all my intervals without issues and without pain. My resting heart beat has dropped by about 10 bpm. I have come to the point where I am disappointed when I hear the beep telling me it's time for my walk interval. Does this mean I am a real runner?!
Side note, I have attemped to update my ticker but no matter what I do, the miles are wrong. It shows that I have done 19.5 miles in the preview but when I copy and paste the ticker, it shows 16.5 miles. I know not really a real world problem but I like the the little ticker thingy10 -
@shanaber - Oh no, sorry about the no running for 6 weeks! UGH! I was surprised to read that Hobbes was shivering on the cold run! IDK, I just figured dogs love running and would warm up fast. But he doesn't have a lot of fur I guess.
@7lenny7 - Kody! That picture is adorable.
Today is just a lifting day. Was fun!
I don't know if any of you use Charity Miles...? I have used it for a couple years and it has been annoying to have to start it along with my Garmin for every run and bike ride. However, it now syncs with Strava. I turn on Garmin when I lift - mainly so I will remember what I did if I forget! And the last two strength training workouts I did, I got an email that I logged 0 miles for my charity. So I am assuming when I run tomorrow it will automatically tell me I logged x miles for my charity.
I am getting curious to learn how much goes to the selected charity and how much goes to Charity Miles. It's not like it's costs me anything to use the app (and now I don't even have to ever open the app with the Strava syncing to it), but I am wondering because the past few weeks Charity Miles has been sending out a lot of emails, pushing to use the app and now they have a credit card and want you to buy things. I just haven't had time to research it. And shouldn't be on here right now with what I need to do today, lol.
11/1 - 4 miles
11/2 - rest day
11/3 - 44 miles cycling + transform app - deload week, arms
11/4 - 3 miles + transform app - deload - legs
11/5 - 4 miles + transform app - deload - back
11/6 - 4 miles + transform app.- deload legs
11/7 - Transform App - Chest, arms
11/8 - Transform App - Glutes and legs
11/9 - Transform App - back/arms
11/10 - 44 miles cycling
11/11 - rest day
11/12 - 5 miles + Transform App - arms/abs
11/13 - 5.2 miles + Transform App - Legs/glutes
11/14 - Transform App - Arms/Back/Delts
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polskagirl01 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »@Scott6255, @katharmonic, @Tramboman, @workaholic_nurse, @Orphia, @PastorVincent Thanks guys for the kind words!@garygse Bravo on your marathon PB!!
I figure it's your PB, as even if you do a PB in an event, that doesn't compare to any other event, as they're all different and each one has different weather anyway, so how long is a piece of string?
You rock!
Say, you did this almost unfueled?
Do you believe in this "fat adaptation" stuff from the LCHF evangelists?
It seems to me you get better at longer distances and running on your fat reserves after glycogen is depleted by running longer distances, not so much by what you eat.
First, I've always believed in balanced diets, so no "high this, low that" or restrictive diets...just sensible portions of foods that for the most part deliver most of the required nutrients (that's not to say that I think these diets don't work...they're just not for me). So in that respect, I don't read up on any kind of diet, and had to look up fat adaptation. I can't say I'm sold on it...especially when the site I read contained lines like "this basic physiology appears to be lost on most doctors and dieticians [sic] worldwide" which just stinks of woo science if you ask me.
Personally, I think your last line is spot on.
edit: missed a name!
It is not "woo" science (as someone up thread said), look at people like @JessicaMcB who do it exclusively. The thing is though humans are a very biologically diverse species, far more than we give credit for, so not all things work as well for all people.
In general, each person needs to learn their body and work with it for best results.
The laws of physics do not work selectively.
Yes, you feel like crap when your glycogen is depleted. I'm not convinced ketoers don't feel like crap all the time.
The laws of physics are not the issue, biochemistry is. I spent years on LCHF and it was some of my healthiest years. I regained so much lost health and strength that it literally turned my life around medically. Diabetics pretty much have to live that way.
To say that everyone one reacts the same way to food is to turn a blind eye to medical science and common sense. I can eat a potato and register no blood spike on a meter, another person will register a major blood sugar spike. If my wife gets a nut, she chokes and could die, while I eat nuts daily. I am immune to novicane, while others are not. If I eat wheat, I get ill for WEEKS, and yet you probably eat all the bread you want without issue. My father drinks coffee to help him sleep, while others drink it to wake them up. If my wife drink DECAF coffee she cannot sleep right, never mind caffeinated. She has to take 1/2 to 1/3 the normal dose of medicines because she is a "slow metabolizer."
We are biologically and biochemically a diverse species. Medical science is clear on that. So while you personally do not like LCHF, that does not change that for a decent portion of the population it works well and better than the HCLF diet, or the so-called "balanced" diet that is 50% sugar.
Sure, drop us out of a plane without proper equipment and we all die - but give us all nuts and only some die. That is the difference between a law of physics like gravity, and biochemistry.
I'm not keeping up with this thread very well, so there may have been more discussion on this... but I eat zero carb (carnivore) and run. I'm not fast, but I'm faster than when I ate lots of carbs... that probably has more to do with weight and cardiovascular growth, though.
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Also there is this from another thread (thanks @alabasterverve )AlabasterVerve wrote: »Zach Bitter (low carb athlete) set the record for the fastest recorded 100 mile trail run. (12:08:36)
"It kind of starts a week out for a goal race. First 4-5 days of week I go very low carb. 1-2 days out I bring back some carbs; usually in the form of potatoes, raw honey, melons berries. Race day I rely on body fat for fat burning energy and gradually use small amounts of carbs through the race." -Zach Bitter
Source
I'm intrigued by the zero-carb part of your comment! How long has it been since you've had carbs? It's amazing how our bodies work.
Thought/question: from Zach Bitter's quote and other things I've heard on various podcasts, I got the impression that a lot of the LCHF ultra runners add carbs back in for races (which doesn't make sense to me, if it works so great for them). Is it common for people to do that? Are they still a "low-carb runners" if they're doing that?
Of course our bodies and medical issues are all so different, so if you find something that works, by all means go with it!
@polskagirl01 I started with low carb years ago, gradually decreased down to keto, and then ultimately zero carb / carnivore.
-From March - Oct. 2017, I stayed carnivore.
-Oct. - Dec. 2017, I switched to Lyle McDonald's RFL plan for a few months to lose body fat quickly. If you are not familiar, that plan is very low carb (between carnivore and keto), very low fat, and moderate protein. It includes a weekly "glycogen refeed" (about 600g complex carbs that day) and allows a weekly cheat meal. That worked really well.
-Dec. 2017 (just a few days in Dec.) - Jan. 2018, I took a "diet break" for 20 days and just ate whatever and as much as I wanted. During that time, I gained 32 lbs., about 15-20 of which was body fat. To this day, I still need to lose that much body fat. I can't do that again!
-Jan. 2018 - today, I've been following carnivore and maintaining (possibly gaining very slowly).
Carnivore is described as zero carb, but I'll be honest and say it does include a bit of carbs. For example, if I eat eggs, there is something like 0.6g carbs in an egg. Some small amounts of spices/seasonings/sauces are allowed, so I end up with a few grams of carbs there. And when my BG is low (I have type 1 diabetes), I treat with glucose tablets as needed.
As to supplementing carbs during races... becoming fat adapted raises the level of exertion at which our muscles are capable of directly oxidizing free fatty acids. However, race pace usually means exerting beyond that level. As such, it is common for carb supplementation during races. I do that, but mostly for BG management. I know what exertion level I max out the ability to use fat because I'm constantly monitoring BG. I take carbs during races in order to avoid and treat low BG, which I suppose is not terribly different than taking them for the energy to exert at higher levels.2 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »polskagirl01 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »@Scott6255, @katharmonic, @Tramboman, @workaholic_nurse, @Orphia, @PastorVincent Thanks guys for the kind words!@garygse Bravo on your marathon PB!!
I figure it's your PB, as even if you do a PB in an event, that doesn't compare to any other event, as they're all different and each one has different weather anyway, so how long is a piece of string?
You rock!
Say, you did this almost unfueled?
Do you believe in this "fat adaptation" stuff from the LCHF evangelists?
It seems to me you get better at longer distances and running on your fat reserves after glycogen is depleted by running longer distances, not so much by what you eat.
First, I've always believed in balanced diets, so no "high this, low that" or restrictive diets...just sensible portions of foods that for the most part deliver most of the required nutrients (that's not to say that I think these diets don't work...they're just not for me). So in that respect, I don't read up on any kind of diet, and had to look up fat adaptation. I can't say I'm sold on it...especially when the site I read contained lines like "this basic physiology appears to be lost on most doctors and dieticians [sic] worldwide" which just stinks of woo science if you ask me.
Personally, I think your last line is spot on.
edit: missed a name!
It is not "woo" science (as someone up thread said), look at people like @JessicaMcB who do it exclusively. The thing is though humans are a very biologically diverse species, far more than we give credit for, so not all things work as well for all people.
In general, each person needs to learn their body and work with it for best results.
The laws of physics do not work selectively.
Yes, you feel like crap when your glycogen is depleted. I'm not convinced ketoers don't feel like crap all the time.
The laws of physics are not the issue, biochemistry is. I spent years on LCHF and it was some of my healthiest years. I regained so much lost health and strength that it literally turned my life around medically. Diabetics pretty much have to live that way.
To say that everyone one reacts the same way to food is to turn a blind eye to medical science and common sense. I can eat a potato and register no blood spike on a meter, another person will register a major blood sugar spike. If my wife gets a nut, she chokes and could die, while I eat nuts daily. I am immune to novicane, while others are not. If I eat wheat, I get ill for WEEKS, and yet you probably eat all the bread you want without issue. My father drinks coffee to help him sleep, while others drink it to wake them up. If my wife drink DECAF coffee she cannot sleep right, never mind caffeinated. She has to take 1/2 to 1/3 the normal dose of medicines because she is a "slow metabolizer."
We are biologically and biochemically a diverse species. Medical science is clear on that. So while you personally do not like LCHF, that does not change that for a decent portion of the population it works well and better than the HCLF diet, or the so-called "balanced" diet that is 50% sugar.
Sure, drop us out of a plane without proper equipment and we all die - but give us all nuts and only some die. That is the difference between a law of physics like gravity, and biochemistry.
I'm not keeping up with this thread very well, so there may have been more discussion on this... but I eat zero carb (carnivore) and run. I'm not fast, but I'm faster than when I ate lots of carbs... that probably has more to do with weight and cardiovascular growth, though.
ETA:
Also there is this from another thread (thanks @alabasterverve )AlabasterVerve wrote: »Zach Bitter (low carb athlete) set the record for the fastest recorded 100 mile trail run. (12:08:36)
"It kind of starts a week out for a goal race. First 4-5 days of week I go very low carb. 1-2 days out I bring back some carbs; usually in the form of potatoes, raw honey, melons berries. Race day I rely on body fat for fat burning energy and gradually use small amounts of carbs through the race." -Zach Bitter
Source
I'm intrigued by the zero-carb part of your comment! How long has it been since you've had carbs? It's amazing how our bodies work.
Thought/question: from Zach Bitter's quote and other things I've heard on various podcasts, I got the impression that a lot of the LCHF ultra runners add carbs back in for races (which doesn't make sense to me, if it works so great for them). Is it common for people to do that? Are they still a "low-carb runners" if they're doing that?
Of course our bodies and medical issues are all so different, so if you find something that works, by all means go with it!
@polskagirl01 I started with low carb years ago, gradually decreased down to keto, and then ultimately zero carb / carnivore.
-From March - Oct. 2017, I stayed carnivore.
-Oct. - Dec. 2017, I switched to Lyle McDonald's RFL plan for a few months to lose body fat quickly. If you are not familiar, that plan is very low carb (between carnivore and keto), very low fat, and moderate protein. It includes a weekly "glycogen refeed" (about 600g complex carbs that day) and allows a weekly cheat meal. That worked really well.
-Dec. 2017 (just a few days in Dec.) - Jan. 2018, I took a "diet break" for 20 days and just ate whatever and as much as I wanted. During that time, I gained 32 lbs., about 15-20 of which was body fat. To this day, I still need to lose that much body fat. I can't do that again!
-Jan. 2018 - today, I've been following carnivore and maintaining (possibly gaining very slowly).
Carnivore is described as zero carb, but I'll be honest and say it does include a bit of carbs. For example, if I eat eggs, there is something like 0.6g carbs in an egg. Some small amounts of spices/seasonings/sauces are allowed, so I end up with a few grams of carbs there. And when my BG is low (I have type 1 diabetes), I treat with glucose tablets as needed.
As to supplementing carbs during races... becoming fat adapted raises the level of exertion at which our muscles are capable of directly oxidizing free fatty acids. However, race pace usually means exerting beyond that level. As such, it is common for carb supplementation during races. I do that, but mostly for BG management. I know what exertion level I max out the ability to use fat because I'm constantly monitoring BG. I take carbs during races in order to avoid and treat low BG, which I suppose is not terribly different than taking them for the energy to exert at higher levels.
Thanks for the great explanation! Makes sense, and definitely seems to fit with your body & life.0 -
debrakgoogins wrote: »I am on week four of my Fat to First Mile program. I have lost 9 pounds and can run all my intervals without issues and without pain. My resting heart beat has dropped by about 10 bpm. I have come to the point where I am disappointed when I hear the beep telling me it's time for my walk interval. Does this mean I am a real runner?!
Side note, I have attemped to update my ticker but no matter what I do, the miles are wrong. It shows that I have done 19.5 miles in the preview but when I copy and paste the ticker, it shows 16.5 miles. I know not really a real world problem but I like the the little ticker thingy
It works, just paste it in and ignore it. When you come back later and check the thread it will have the right number.3 -
@shanaber - ACK!!! No running? *sobs*0
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@shanaber so sorry about your stress fracture. It's heartbreaking, but the road will still be there to greet you when you are better.
@debrakgoogins that is so great that you are progressing so well! Yes, you are a runner.2 -
11/1-nope (1 hour aerial yoga)
11/2-nope
11/3-3 mi (2 hour aerial yoga)
11/4-nope
11/5-nope
11/6-sleepy
11/7- ?(1 hour aerial yoga)
11/8-(1 hour aerial yoga)
11/9-(2 hour aerial hammock)
11/10-(2 hour aerial yoga demo)
11/11-4.56miles trail run
11/12-nope
11/13-oh i feel the hills now
11/14 (1 hour aerial yoga)
omgosh having a puppy is exhausting. slept thru my alarms the past few days. i'll try to get a couple in tonight.
new foster puppy (8 month westie mix)old girl is a fan of Hermie who is a little imp. just a little energizer bunny
speed demon less so. hermie uses her as a chew toy
ohhai
omgosh everything is awesome
race photo. speed demon was very very excited to be running. she wasn't anxious at all. she gets cold too. her jacket is not for fashion. our first mile was 10:34 then we found the hills. she even was ok with walking them. my face-oh crap i didn't know i could go that fast
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@shanaber Oh no! That's a long time. At least you have a diagnosis and are on the path to healing!
My husband and I signed up for the Hungry Turkey 5k on Thanksgiving morning. It's at Shelby Farms and most of the route is part of our usual 5 mile run. We have become those runners we used to find obnoxious - a 5k isn't really long enough for a big carb pig out day like Thanksgiving so we will have to do more running after the race. The shirt for this one is a long sleeved half zip tech shirt, pretty fancy for just a 5k!8 -
11-1 Rest
11-2 7k intervals
11-3 7k easy
11-4 10.5k slow
11-5 7k recovery
11-6 Rest
11-7 7k intervals
11-8 7k easy
11-9 Rest
11-10 7k
11-11 10.5k slow
11-12 7k recovery
11-13 Rest
11-14 7k intervals
November total: 77k
November goal: 150k
Interval training today: warmup; followed by 4 sets of 2 minutes hard/1 minute easy; followed by 3 minutes easy; followed by 4 more sets of 2 minutes hard/1 minute easy; then filled out the rest of the 7k with cooldown. Another beautiful day for running; dry, temperature 29 degrees F; and just a little wind the second half.
@shanaber Sorry about your injury. Just take proper care of it and look forward to a full recovery.3 -
NEWBIE HERE
Hi all!! I am Beka, a new runner from the Atlanta area.
In the past couple months seems like I have ran every 5k in a 50 mile radius. I have struggled with consistency, so I am hoping this group will help!! I am a slow runner. I like to start off slow then back off my speed a little.
I am slow, but working on bettering my speed.
I plan to wing it as far as distance the remainder of this month. I will commit 100 miles for December.
2019 Major Races to date
Run the year -- Registration completed
02/17/2019 - Hot Chocolate 15k Atlanta - Registration Completed, hotel booked
03/09/2019 - Berry College HM - HIGHLY CONSIDERING, not registered yet
07/04/2019 - Atlanta Peachtree Road Race - ATC registration completed, hotel booked. Registration guaranteed
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@rheddmobile
our turkey trot gives a nice long sleeve hooded tech shirt. and a giant cinnamon roll. that's why i run it every year.
@shanaber sucks about the not running. heal well
@beka3695 welcome. we can be a chatty bunch but we are very helpful. lots of experience here and newbies. and everything inbetween4 -
youngcaseyr wrote: »Questions for people who do running streaks and/or regularly run more than 10 miles/day: how do you prevent overuse injuries? How do you handle sudden soreness or discomfort that lasts longer than a week? How did you build up to running that distance regularly?
Thanks in advance for your replies!
Sudden soreness is a sign (to me) to either back off the mileage and/or slow down. If I try and push through it, I'm simply risking making things worse which usually translates to a much longer recovery time.
As for how I built up my mileage, I slowly built up from a starting point of running single-digit distances three times per week. From there, I increased the mileage (remember, no more than a 10% increase in mileage per week) until I was running at least three 10-mile runs per week, and finally moved up to 3 half marathon distances per week before deciding to cut back the mileage a little and increase my runs to five times per week instead.
Now, any mileage increase is generally due to faster-paced running and not from increased running time. It's taken me almost two and half years to get to this point, and to help avoid injury, I initially focused on running form a lot until it became second-nature. I also made sure to keep my runs easy. I've still had my share of injury, and I try to learn from them to reduce the odds of it happening again:- was it sheer bad luck and could happen to anyone?
- is my diet lacking in any area?
- am I too fatigued and losing my form?
Of course, what worked for me may not work for others, but in general just take it easy and slowly increase the mileage and you should be fine.
@garygse thanks for your input! I've been running regularly for the past 7 years and currently run a little over 5 miles 6 days/week. I recently started shooting for one 6 mile run per week, and the most I've ever run at one time is 9 miles, but I'd like to build up to doing 10 miles once a month, kind of for the sake of goal-setting and to prevent stagnation or monotony, and also because I have little interest in formally running a half marathon but would still like to try to run that distance. I feel like my running pace is pretty moderate-- I'm not exhausted at the end of a run but I also feel like I put some effort into it. Typically my mileage increase happens as a result of feeling "too comfortable" running whatever my current mileage is, and since I don't really have interest in running faster I usually feel that it's appropriate/a good time to try to run longer.
Anyway, I don't know anyone IRL who runs as much or as long as I do and wanted some pointers for increasing my mileage with decreased risk. Thanks!PastorVincent wrote: »youngcaseyr wrote: »Questions for people who do running streaks and/or regularly run more than 10 miles/day: how do you prevent overuse injuries? How do you handle sudden soreness or discomfort that lasts longer than a week? How did you build up to running that distance regularly?
Thanks in advance for your replies!
I am in my "off-season" right now so not running as much, but come January you will see my miles start to climb (assuming I can get out! New job has made that much harder)I often run three or more over 10 mile days in a row and add 1 or 2 long runs on top of that. In my off season, I try to be happy with getting out 3 times a week and get 1 or 2 half marathons or greater distances in.
The difference between me and like 90% of this thread is I have built up to where I am over the last 15 YEARS. When I started I could not WALK 20 feet without getting out of breath. It took many years for me to get to the 5k is reasonable level (now, its way too short LOL).
So, my point is for people at my level of endurance, 10+mile runs multiple times a week is not overuse so there is no overuse injury. People like @AlphaHowls are even a level beyond me. If I tried to jump from where I am right now to her level with no incline I probably would get hurt.
The real secret to prevent injury (not counting tripping over empty air and the like) is to know your real limits and work within them. Push yourself, yes, but not to an extreme.
The common rule of thumb is no more than 10% distance increase per week, and have a cut back week every third or fourth week. Tweak this to match your time, body, and etc. Or the best plan really is to just find an already built running plan that lines up with your goals and use that as your model.
Finally, DO NOT COMPARE YOUR SELF WITH OTHERS. Seriously, just do not do it. There is no happiness there, just work on being a better you.
@PastorVincent thank you, as well! Haha maybe I just need another 8 years under my belt! I've never cut back on my running outside of extreme sickness, injury, or pregnancy, but it sounds like maybe I should start thinking about it. I just never thought of anything under 7 miles a day as "long enough" for breaks like that. Since I've started running again after I had my son I have been much more aware of the need to slow down assess how I feel in general when I run, but I still have such an aversion to stopping altogether when it comes to injury or soreness if it's not something totally unbearable.4 -
Traveling for work so a couple unplanned rest days, but I was awake this morning before the alarm so used the treadmill at the hotel gym. I didn’t want to leave it for later when I got home later today.
10/10 - 3 miles
10/11 - XT
10/14 - 3 miles
Total/Goal = 3/35 miles4 -
Thanks all for the kind thoughts. I am over feeling sorry for myself and will be getting my butt to the gym shortly for some cardio on the stationary bike. It doesn't help Hobbes the Vizsla but DH will be taking him for walks and maybe an extra day or so of doggy daycare. I am trying to figure out our agility class though. Thinking I can work more on sending him through the courses without actually running with him and/or having our trainer run with him. December is a key month for trials so I need to talk to her about running him and maybe I can run him on the last trial in December. I should hopefully be allowed to start running then.
@katharmonic - I am going to check out the pool at the YMCA today or tomorrow. They do have water aerobics classes and open swimming so depending on the depth I could try some hydro-running on my own.
@ddmom0811 - Vizslas don't have that extra layer of soft insulating coat and very little body fat so they get cold. If we are running at a good pace or if he is running on his own off leash he would probably be fine. Also I am sure he would get used to it somewhat over time but not having really cold weather here he seems to get cold when it is below 50 lol.
@mbaker566 - love that little Westie mix, what a cutie she is and I love her name! I have a friend who would take her in an instant. They lost theirs to cancer earlier this year. Isn't it so much fun racing with your pup? I haven't with Hobbes recently but he definitely 'helped' me get a 5k PR that I will never beat on my own7 -
I had originally intended to do 4 miles outside this morning, but changed my mind after checking the weather app. It was 30 degrees F, super windy with a feel like temperature of 21 degrees, so I chickened out because I was a baby. So instead I drove down to the gym and only managed to get 3.5 miles in because I had an appointment right after t-1 week until my race!
11/2: 4.1 miles
11/3: 3.3 miles
11/5: 2.4 miles
11/7: 5.1 miles
11/10: 6.5 miles!!!
11/14: 3.5 miles
Cumulative for November: 24.9/50 miles
Upcoming race: Thursday 11/22 Feaster Five Thanksgiving Road Race: 5 miles6
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