Coronavirus prep
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I live in Central VA and I have noticed nothing out of stock where we live. Not yet anyway.
They just announced that schools are closed tomorrow for kids. Apparently the teachers are supposed to clean their rooms and also prepare plans in case they shut down the schools in the coming weeks (which I'm positive they will do next week, especially since we didn't have a single snow day this year.)
I honestly think it's a whole lot of panic over something small, but they are all afraid of liability. Personally, I refuse to submit to panic. I am not going to rush the store for supplies, I am not going to stop going to the gym and restaurants. I am happy to be the only one out when everyone else stays at home.4 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Financial losses must be huge. She was on the phone with OKC when we were told Gobert was confirmed and she cancelled right then.
Between canceling South by Southwest ( a conference that brings in 500 mil for Austin, TX!), and the canceling of the NBA and NCAA spectators, and travel, etc....the financial losses are already staggering.2 -
missysippy930 wrote: »RelCanonical wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »
Flood the sewage system with paper towel.. great!
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The thought of wiping with a paper towel makes me shrivel a little.
When I was in Outward Bound, we had to use leaves/grass. We’d be SOL now, no leaves or grass, it’s still winter, snow on the ground.
I'm in AZ. We have rock and cactus. The succulents my wife planted are looking real good right now...6 -
Phew, I am so relieved.
I went to Salvation Army this a.m. and overheard the clerk say 'how sick of it all she is. This virus will leave as quick as it came. There was a fortune teller magazine that said.....' I had to turn around and walk out at that moment before I said "Are you effing kidding me???" 9 -
Looks like my company is about to have everyone work from home who can. I'm in the Vancouver, Canada, area. But on the plus side, my grocery store had restocked the TP when I was there yesterday. lol6
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Worst case in my house: if I run out of soap I still have sodium hydroxide (for bar soap) and potassium hydroxide (for liquid soap) and plenty of oils to make more soap. I usually do cold process which has to cure for a few weeks but I have instructions for hot process which can be used right away.
If the TP runs out, I have a whole bag of utility rags I can use.4 -
On-going college conference basketball tournaments are being cancelled, at least the big ones. Big East canceled an on-going game at half-time. Starting to wonder if the NCAAs will happen at all, no fans or not.3
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midlomel1971 wrote: »I live in Central VA and I have noticed nothing out of stock where we live. Not yet anyway.
They just announced that schools are closed tomorrow for kids. Apparently the teachers are supposed to clean their rooms and also prepare plans in case they shut down the schools in the coming weeks (which I'm positive they will do next week, especially since we didn't have a single snow day this year.)
I honestly think it's a whole lot of panic over something small, but they are all afraid of liability. Personally, I refuse to submit to panic. I am not going to rush the store for supplies, I am not going to stop going to the gym and restaurants. I am happy to be the only one out when everyone else stays at home.
Gyms in nearly all of Europe have been closed. It will be the same here in a week or so.8 -
YellowD0gs wrote: »On-going college conference basketball tournaments are being cancelled, at least the big ones. Big East canceled an on-going game at half-time. Starting to wonder if the NCAAs will happen at all, no fans or not.
It seems to be a huge contradiction to me that they will cancel a game halfway through due to one confirmed positive test result when there must be dozens of positive cases in the crowd going undetected. Those are the ones doing the damage.2 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »I live in Central VA and I have noticed nothing out of stock where we live. Not yet anyway.
They just announced that schools are closed tomorrow for kids. Apparently the teachers are supposed to clean their rooms and also prepare plans in case they shut down the schools in the coming weeks (which I'm positive they will do next week, especially since we didn't have a single snow day this year.)
I honestly think it's a whole lot of panic over something small, but they are all afraid of liability. Personally, I refuse to submit to panic. I am not going to rush the store for supplies, I am not going to stop going to the gym and restaurants. I am happy to be the only one out when everyone else stays at home.
Something small? 6% death rate in Italy, where they're running out of respirators for the sick? Why do you think things will be better in the U.S. when our pro-active response has been, of anything, worse than Italy's, and our president is still pretending it's not really here and we can prevent the spread by shutting down flights from Eyrope?25 -
They just cancelled my first cycling event at the end of March (Livermore CA)😔 The one at the end of April in Chico is still on but who knows for how long.
Entry fees for both rides mostly go to the community, so I won't take advantage of refunds if offered. I'm hoping these kinds of precautions will slow the spread and help keep our health infrastructure strong.9 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »I picked up supplies to learn how to make my own laundry soap and already soap bars ready to go as well as a mostly full bottle that I had from before that so I'm good on laundry soap.
But this does have me thinking of stocking up on a few things now, such as cleaning supplies and cat food before it gets here.
I do have the option from working at home if it comes to my area though it can be a little difficult if I need a print or something from the office. And I've found it to be distracting.
What does frustrate me is that my company expects us to use vacation time and didn't offer sick leave until you've been out 5 business days. I'm hoping that catching this will still be covered under our short term disability plan if I catch it but am not sick enough to be hospitalized. The company pays for the short term disability insurance but didn't give us a list of what qualifies. With the long length of time that this thing incubates and it takes to get over it, it's definitely going to stretch sick leave plans for those who are lucky enough to have them. I feel really bad for the people who don't have them or work for businesses that could be forced to close temporarily and leave their employees without an income during that period.
How long are those who have it expected to quarantine?
I was reading about the duration the other day. It generally takes about 5 days to show symptoms from the time of exposure but can be longer - most people will show symptoms in 14 days, thus that’s the standard length of quarantine, but a substantial minority take longer, thus the standard quarantine is almost certainly missing a few.
80% of people have an infection which stays only in their nose and throat and have a mild case. If it enters the lungs, things turn bad, because the immune system doesn’t know how to deal with it. About 3.5% of people die. Those who die, do so an average of 18 days from the onset of symptoms. Some people do quite well for a week then take a turn for the worse; some people improve and look like they are recovering, then suddenly go into a crisis. The average time to get over having symptoms is 22 days. However, there’s evidence that people continue to shed the virus after recovering. There’s not currently agreement on how long recovered people remain contagious because the virus in their systems may be weakened, but some people seem to shed virus for another 20 days.
So, anyway... if you do get it, expect to be using up all your sick days and then some.10 -
@rheddmobile
Where did you get those stats? I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering.It generally takes about 5 days to show symptoms from the time of exposure but can be longer - most people will show symptoms in 14 days, thus that’s the standard length of quarantine, but a substantial minority take longer, thus the standard quarantine is almost certainly missing a few.
80% of people have an infection which stays only in their nose and throat and have a mild case. If it enters the lungs, things turn bad, because the immune system doesn’t know how to deal with it. About 3.5% of people die. Those who die, do so an average of 18 days from the onset of symptoms. Some people do quite well for a week then take a turn for the worse; some people improve and look like they are recovering, then suddenly go into a crisis. The average time to get over having symptoms is 22 days. However, there’s evidence that people continue to shed the virus after recovering. There’s not currently agreement on how long recovered people remain contagious because the virus in their systems may be weakened, but some people seem to shed virus for another 20 days.0 -
The flu kills tens of thousands of people each year and no one bats an eye at it. I’m not going to panic over it and stop living life. Are we going to shut down events and travel every flu season from now on? Should we?lynn_glenmont wrote: »midlomel1971 wrote: »I live in Central VA and I have noticed nothing out of stock where we live. Not yet anyway.
They just announced that schools are closed tomorrow for kids. Apparently the teachers are supposed to clean their rooms and also prepare plans in case they shut down the schools in the coming weeks (which I'm positive they will do next week, especially since we didn't have a single snow day this year.)
I honestly think it's a whole lot of panic over something small, but they are all afraid of liability. Personally, I refuse to submit to panic. I am not going to rush the store for supplies, I am not going to stop going to the gym and restaurants. I am happy to be the only one out when everyone else stays at home.
Something small? 6% death rate in Italy, where they're running out of respirators for the sick? Why do you think things will be better in the U.S. when our pro-active response has been, of anything, worse than Italy's, and our president is still pretending it's not really here and we can prevent the spread by shutting down flights from Eyrope?
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midlomel1971 wrote: »
The flu kills tens of thousands of people each year and no one bats an eye at it. I’m not going to panic over it and stop living life. Are we going to shut down events and travel every flu season from now on? Should we?lynn_glenmont wrote: »midlomel1971 wrote: »I live in Central VA and I have noticed nothing out of stock where we live. Not yet anyway.
They just announced that schools are closed tomorrow for kids. Apparently the teachers are supposed to clean their rooms and also prepare plans in case they shut down the schools in the coming weeks (which I'm positive they will do next week, especially since we didn't have a single snow day this year.)
I honestly think it's a whole lot of panic over something small, but they are all afraid of liability. Personally, I refuse to submit to panic. I am not going to rush the store for supplies, I am not going to stop going to the gym and restaurants. I am happy to be the only one out when everyone else stays at home.
Something small? 6% death rate in Italy, where they're running out of respirators for the sick? Why do you think things will be better in the U.S. when our pro-active response has been, of anything, worse than Italy's, and our president is still pretending it's not really here and we can prevent the spread by shutting down flights from Eyrope?
We have immunities for the flu... this new virus, we don't.29 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »
The flu kills tens of thousands of people each year and no one bats an eye at it. I’m not going to panic over it and stop living life. Are we going to shut down events and travel every flu season from now on? Should we?lynn_glenmont wrote: »midlomel1971 wrote: »I live in Central VA and I have noticed nothing out of stock where we live. Not yet anyway.
They just announced that schools are closed tomorrow for kids. Apparently the teachers are supposed to clean their rooms and also prepare plans in case they shut down the schools in the coming weeks (which I'm positive they will do next week, especially since we didn't have a single snow day this year.)
I honestly think it's a whole lot of panic over something small, but they are all afraid of liability. Personally, I refuse to submit to panic. I am not going to rush the store for supplies, I am not going to stop going to the gym and restaurants. I am happy to be the only one out when everyone else stays at home.
Something small? 6% death rate in Italy, where they're running out of respirators for the sick? Why do you think things will be better in the U.S. when our pro-active response has been, of anything, worse than Italy's, and our president is still pretending it's not really here and we can prevent the spread by shutting down flights from Eyrope?
This attitude irritates me to no end. The flu is endemic--it's spread far and wide, and hospitals are not generally overrun with patients. This coronavirus is a NEW virus, and humans have never experienced it before. It spreads relatively easily. We should learn from China and Italy how quickly hospitals can be overwhelmed with critical patients in need of life-saving support.
In addition, the flu death rate is 0.1%, while the average death rate of COVID-19 is 3.5%, so that is a 35-fold difference in death rate. I will repeat that--it is 35 times more deadly. Even Fauci of the CDC said COVID-19 is 10-times worse than the flu. Just because the overall numbers of infected is still much lower than the flu, does not make it less severe than the flu. I'll even put it another way--the COVID-19 death rate is 1 in 33, while flu death rate is 1 in 1000.
How is it that people are still calling this "like the flu"? Look it up yourself--there are plenty of articles explaining exactly why this is not true!!
And no, I'm not saying to panic, but please, educate yourself, and help prevent the spread of this thing!36 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »
The flu kills tens of thousands of people each year and no one bats an eye at it. I’m not going to panic over it and stop living life. Are we going to shut down events and travel every flu season from now on? Should we?lynn_glenmont wrote: »midlomel1971 wrote: »I live in Central VA and I have noticed nothing out of stock where we live. Not yet anyway.
They just announced that schools are closed tomorrow for kids. Apparently the teachers are supposed to clean their rooms and also prepare plans in case they shut down the schools in the coming weeks (which I'm positive they will do next week, especially since we didn't have a single snow day this year.)
I honestly think it's a whole lot of panic over something small, but they are all afraid of liability. Personally, I refuse to submit to panic. I am not going to rush the store for supplies, I am not going to stop going to the gym and restaurants. I am happy to be the only one out when everyone else stays at home.
Something small? 6% death rate in Italy, where they're running out of respirators for the sick? Why do you think things will be better in the U.S. when our pro-active response has been, of anything, worse than Italy's, and our president is still pretending it's not really here and we can prevent the spread by shutting down flights from Eyrope?
There are differences between how our body responds to the flu and this new virus. There are different complication rates. There is still a lot we don't understand about this new virus. Our health care system has previously demonstrated that it is able to treat and prioritize people who experience flu complications, even though some people sadly lose their lives every year to it.
The concern is that our health care system may not be able to treat everyone with complications if this sweeps through the US too quickly. We're currently seeing this happen in Italy, where doctors are having to make decisions about who to treat.
We can't act as if the flu and Corona are exactly the same. They aren't.26 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »midlomel1971 wrote: »
The flu kills tens of thousands of people each year and no one bats an eye at it. I’m not going to panic over it and stop living life. Are we going to shut down events and travel every flu season from now on? Should we?lynn_glenmont wrote: »midlomel1971 wrote: »I live in Central VA and I have noticed nothing out of stock where we live. Not yet anyway.
They just announced that schools are closed tomorrow for kids. Apparently the teachers are supposed to clean their rooms and also prepare plans in case they shut down the schools in the coming weeks (which I'm positive they will do next week, especially since we didn't have a single snow day this year.)
I honestly think it's a whole lot of panic over something small, but they are all afraid of liability. Personally, I refuse to submit to panic. I am not going to rush the store for supplies, I am not going to stop going to the gym and restaurants. I am happy to be the only one out when everyone else stays at home.
Something small? 6% death rate in Italy, where they're running out of respirators for the sick? Why do you think things will be better in the U.S. when our pro-active response has been, of anything, worse than Italy's, and our president is still pretending it's not really here and we can prevent the spread by shutting down flights from Eyrope?
This attitude irritates me to no end. The flu is endemic--it's spread far and wide, and hospitals are not generally overrun with patients. This coronavirus is a NEW virus, and humans have never experienced it before. It spreads relatively easily. We should learn from China and Italy how quickly hospitals can be overwhelmed with critical patients in need of life-saving support.
In addition, the flu death rate is 0.1%, while the average death rate of COVID-19 is 3.5%, so that is a 35-fold difference in death rate. I will repeat that--it is 35 times more deadly. Even Fauci of the CDC said COVID-19 is 10-times worse than the flu. Just because the overall numbers of infected is still much lower than the flu, does not make it less sever than the flu. I'll even put it another way--the COVID-19 death rate is 1 in 33, while flu death rate is 1 in 1000.
How is it that people are still calling this "like the flu"? Look it up yourself--there are plenty of articles explaining exactly why this is not true!!
I’m not saying it’s like the flu but I don’t understand why people are stocking up on food and toilet paper when we experience thousands of flu deaths every year. I’m not worried about this one iota. People are acting like it’s The Stand or something.4 -
I fail to follow the logic of (preventable) deaths from this new virus being acceptable simply because other people die from the flu each year.38
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