Coronavirus prep
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Seattle news station KOMO reports this:
https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/government-official-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-starts-monday-in-seattle4 -
girlwithcurls2 wrote: »Governor Sisolak of Nevada just closed all schools until at least April 6th. We have a large amount of very poor people here who make minimum wage. They literally live paycheck to paycheck and that's a stretch. I don't know what they're supposed to do with their children while they go to work. A great amount are single parents. I'm at a loss. I can't imagine what must be going through their minds at this time - go to work and leave my children alone, or stay home and have no money coming in. Pray for them please, as well as those throughout this country and other countries going through the same thing.
I'm a teacher who can't go to work until April 6th. I'm thinking of calling a friend who has to work an hourly job to make sure she has childcare. If everybody could maybe take in a couple of kids, it would help. The youngest population is the least likely to get this, although they could carry it.
That’s such a great idea to help out the working parents with no other alternative due to not being able to afford daycare costs or simply not being able to afford any time off.
Our church (via online streaming) called us today to “wash your hands, then wash their feet” reminding us that in times like this when we have neighbors literally forced to choose between:
A ). work and risk contracting the virus and possibly have to figure out childcare, or
B ). not work+forgo income
that we who are Christians with extra resources have an obligation to help our neighbors how we can: donate food to them (or donate local food banks either food or I’m sure they take phone donations), or watch their kids so they can work, etc.
Anything we can do to help ease some of the stress and anxiety I’m sure would be a huge help to those that feel they have no option to not work💕12 -
One dilemma solved - REI just shut down all it's stores. Tomorrow we'll spend the day deep sanitizing and then just maintain basic hygiene and social distance, and hopefully ride this out.
ETA REI is paying it's employees during the closure.
I’m glad to hear you don’t have to worry about your husband!
I guess I better hope amazon has some Body Glide in stock. And KT tape. I can keep running even if the world shuts down, but my sad old tendons need a little extra help! If I worked at REI, I would never make it out the door with my paycheck!5 -
I had a talk yesterday with a friend who is originally from Aleppo, in Syria. He has been in the States for 20 years but his family still lives in Syria. His dad is currently in a refugee camp because his town was being shelled. He has seen some stuff! We were talking about the Coronavirus and how Americans aren’t used to facing disasters, and how difficult it was getting to find supplies, and he said something wise.
He said, “While you’re getting all these things in case you have to quarantine, don’t forget the one most important thing to have on hand in an emergency!”
I said, “What’s that?”
He said, “Remember love. Take a moment and look around at the people with you and just appreciate that you are alive right now and every moment is precious. Don’t forget to bring love!”31 -
rheddmobile wrote: »I had a talk yesterday with a friend who is originally from Aleppo, in Syria. He has been in the States for 20 years but his family still lives in Syria. His dad is currently in a refugee camp because his town was being shelled. He has seen some stuff! We were talking about the Coronavirus and how Americans aren’t used to facing disasters, and how difficult it was getting to find supplies, and he said something wise.
He said, “While you’re getting all these things in case you have to quarantine, don’t forget the one most important thing to have on hand in an emergency!”
I said, “What’s that?”
He said, “Remember love. Take a moment and look around at the people with you and just appreciate that you are alive right now and every moment is precious. Don’t forget to bring love!”
This is the best thing I have read. Ever.
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rheddmobile wrote: »I had a talk yesterday with a friend who is originally from Aleppo, in Syria. He has been in the States for 20 years but his family still lives in Syria. His dad is currently in a refugee camp because his town was being shelled. He has seen some stuff! We were talking about the Coronavirus and how Americans aren’t used to facing disasters, and how difficult it was getting to find supplies, and he said something wise.
He said, “While you’re getting all these things in case you have to quarantine, don’t forget the one most important thing to have on hand in an emergency!”
I said, “What’s that?”
He said, “Remember love. Take a moment and look around at the people with you and just appreciate that you are alive right now and every moment is precious. Don’t forget to bring love!”
Please thank your friend for his words of wisdom. They come at a really needed time.5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »I had a talk yesterday with a friend who is originally from Aleppo, in Syria. He has been in the States for 20 years but his family still lives in Syria. His dad is currently in a refugee camp because his town was being shelled. He has seen some stuff! We were talking about the Coronavirus and how Americans aren’t used to facing disasters, and how difficult it was getting to find supplies, and he said something wise.
He said, “While you’re getting all these things in case you have to quarantine, don’t forget the one most important thing to have on hand in an emergency!”
I said, “What’s that?”
He said, “Remember love. Take a moment and look around at the people with you and just appreciate that you are alive right now and every moment is precious. Don’t forget to bring love!”
Thank you so much, I needed to see that right now. Give your friend my best wishes.
My husband and I just sent a message to our relatives that we're checking in on all of them, and figuring out the best way to make sure everyone has what they need - especially the oldest relatives. Mom is 94, one aunt is 94, another aunt is 89, my uncle is 95, and their cousins are around that age range. Our family is spread around the greater Los Angeles area, also San Diego, Washington State, around the Bay Area near San Francisco, and New York (not sure if they're right in NYC or near it).6 -
I agree 100% that the lack of WV cases has made people a bit lackadaisical about this... church still happened this morning, but people are changing habits for the most part. We kept our two youngest home because they were sniffly and coughing - 95% sure it’s allergies from a nearby apple town that is in full bloom (spent two hours at the park), but better to be safe. I was teaching SUnday School (before church so hubby and I switched out, he is Assistant Pastor so for a variety of reasons he needed to be there this morning) and got to overhear several conversations that made me want to shake some sense into people, but had a good one with another lady that had a similar mindset as myself. Our church is a hugging church, and they are proud of it! It was comical to see the awkward body language this morning because people just didn’t know what to dobmeadows380 wrote: »Which is why I am glad our governor has already taken steps to prepare for when the virus finally shows up here in WV; put measures in place now to try to slow it down as much as possible, especially as people have proven to be terrible at self-quarantining.
My church still had services this morning because we don't have a confirmed case yet, but weren't actively encouraging touching, either, and had plenty of hand sanitizer. The pastor also told us that while the church still intends to have services, its being taken day by day, and we will close our doors if necessary.
Still, I was rolling my eyes at the number of people in the church who aren't really taking this seriously at all. I think in West Virginia, because it's not here yet, a lot of people are just brushing it off.
Had to go out so DH could get a “quarantine” tent for work (pop up tent with full enclosure). There was an Aldi in the same shopping center and I went in with one bag expecting a madhouse and cleared shelves - was pleasantly surprised to find most things in order, a few sparse areas (no TP, surprise surprise, very little bread). I stocked up on bacon, butter, and avocado oil because I can be creative in the kitchen, but with out fats/oils to wrk with I don’t know what I would do!
I’ll admit, I would be way more skeptical and in denial of what is going on in the world if it weren’t for this thread, especially @snowflake954’s updates from Italy. I keep trying to talk logical sense into people (the lady this morning is also spreading the “flatten the curve” message) without fear mongering.
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I'm sorry Paperpudding! Being separated from loved ones is one of the most difficult aspects of all this. Hugs!
Thank you - and everyone else who virtual hugged me.
One of those things.
She is getting married in August so hopefully all this has settled by then and we can go to wedding.
I work in a medical centre - crazy busy although no reported cases in my town yet.
But, like other surgeries, all people with any flu like symptoms are told now to wait in their car (or sit alone on a bench outside) and Dr will ring them and do a phone consult and if deemed neccesary send them to hospital for nasal swab test - in an isolated room by people with full PPE
and self isolate for 2 days until cleared.
so what does one patient do?
A little while after being told that, he comes inside, coughing and spluttering his way through waiting room of non flu symptom patients, to go to reception desk to ask how long the wait will be
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at this stage (latest info I had anyway) Australia has not decided on closing schools- and i can seethe PM's point on this - children need to be looked after somewhere and are probably safer and less germ spreading machines at school than all over the place.
and less disruption to parents and community if they are at school.3 -
If people are being confronted with empty supermarket shelves, I notice that in London at least, hoarding behaviour hasn't hit the asian grocer's yet. I've been to two this week and they were both well stocked.
Around here the "mass market" grocery stores were hit first and hard. The smaller "mom and pop" and ethnic ones were not hit very hard at all.
For realz...the Walmart was crazy when I drove by - lines out into the parking lot like Black Friday. I kept on driving. Went to the small local market (my favorite place to go) and there were only a few shoppers, plenty of products and no wait to check out. The prices are always a little higher than Walmart anyway, but it was well worth paying slightly more to skip the hassle and drama. Got everything I needed and left with a smile on my face.
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snowflake954 wrote: »We have been told that the data coming out of Northern Italy says that the virus is targeting males especially more than women. Children are being affected very little. Men, especially over 60, but we've had deaths of 40 yr olds. One was an ambulance driver. Milan is converting a huge building from their Worlds Fair several years ago into a hospital.
I'm quoting myself this morning, because Milan is building a new hospital like China. I'm going to share this because these same decisions may be made in the States (and elsewhere) in the future. The head of the infectious diseases hospital in Milan was interviewed on a new hospital. He pointed out that a new hospital will need equipment and staff--all of which is in short supply (the military is sending 20 doctors up North to help out). He thinks it would be better to analyze each hospital and see where there is space to add 15 to 20 beds and equip those. It would also cost less. When asked how it was going this morning he said: "We have 40 beds available this morning, so it depends on how many arrive (this can be 50-70 a day), as for tomorrow, that's another day.11 -
Here in Belgium, we are now in a semi-lockdown. All restaurants, pubs and schools are closed; most people who can work from home do so.
Hospitals are preparing for a peak in ER care by the end of this week, as we only started to shut down a few days ago. It is an economic catastophy already, but still some people don't take this seriously. As all pubs were closing down on Friday at midnight, hugh "lockdown parties" were organized so people could party while they still could.
The next day our neighbour country, The Netherlands, were invaded by Belgians going to non-essential shops and pubs that weren't closed yet. Luckily they have now closed down as well.
Nothing official yet, but the general expectation is that we will go into a full lockdown by the end of the week.
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If people are being confronted with empty supermarket shelves, I notice that in London at least, hoarding behaviour hasn't hit the asian grocer's yet. I've been to two this week and they were both well stocked.
Around here the "mass market" grocery stores were hit first and hard. The smaller "mom and pop" and ethnic ones were not hit very hard at all.
For realz...the Walmart was crazy when I drove by - lines out into the parking lot like Black Friday. I kept on driving. Went to the small local market (my favorite place to go) and there were only a few shoppers, plenty of products and no wait to check out. The prices are always a little higher than Walmart anyway, but it was well worth paying slightly more to skip the hassle and drama. Got everything I needed and left with a smile on my face.
Here in NYC... all stores big and small, Asian or not are being hit hard. No meat, no supplies, long lines and short tempers.5 -
I will make a couple of recommendations from our experience here in Italy. I know they tell you that masks don't work, but the Chinese experts think they do. We were reprimanded for too many people without. We need them to go shopping or the pharmacy. They are now introvabile. Please don't hoard them. If someone in your family gets the virus and you need to tend them you should have a mask. Buy what you need. I had to make my own from cheesecloth with a pocket to slip a filter in. I made a double rectangle and put elastic bands on. The fabric has to be strong enough to be disinfected every time you take it off and don't touch the front while doing so. I plan to disinfect mine and throw away the filter every time. I'm using a swiffter like sheet for the filter. I hope it works--I don't have other options.
Lightweight plastic gloves--luckily I had a box on hand. I put them on before entering the supermarket--carts can have many germs and we don't have wipes here. Throw them after use.
If you have important medication get it refilled now.
If your supermarkets aren't out buy some nuts and dried fruit. With dried fruit you can make pies. These are calorie dense--portion them out.11 -
@snowflake954
Thank you for your reports from Italy and the advice. Heading to my store now....need a few things. I hope people arent ugly
@rheddmobile A lovely sentiment and good reminder. Thank you!3 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I’ll admit, I would be way more skeptical and in denial of what is going on in the world if it weren’t for this thread, especially @snowflake954’s updates from Italy. I keep trying to talk logical sense into people (the lady this morning is also spreading the “flatten the curve” message) without fear mongering.
me, too - my initial thoughts at the beginning of this thread have drastically changed as it has grown in length!
I was a little frustrated with the pastor's wife yesterday morning. She had the attitude that this is all overkill and devastating the economy which she claims will cause more deaths in the long run itself. And then there are number of people who aren't bothered at all, having the attitude that "God will take care of me". *shakes head* Every time I heard that, I couldn't help but wonder how many people blew off the Spanish flu in 1918 with that attitude, or better yet, the Black Plague. I"m a Christian and believe in God and the Bible, but I'm also a firm believer that God expects us to use common sense, too, and treating a disease like this as though its trivial is about as far from sensible as one can get. (DISCLAIMER: this is just my particular belief and isn't meant to start any sort of religious discussion as I'm sure there are many others of a variety of faiths who are doing the same thing - so please don't take this and delve into an area that's going to get us in trouble with the moderators!)
anyway, I was trying to explain the flattening of the curve thing, too, but it wasn't getting much traction, sadly. I hate to even think it, but its going to take people getting sick and hospitalized and perhaps worse before most people in my area start to take this seriously.
On the mask front, I have a respirator style mask that fits tight against my face that I use when making my soap, so I hope that would be adequate if it comes to the place where I need it. Also makes me think I'd better stop at Lowe's on the way home and see if I can get another pack of those, as the one I have is getting a little old and could probably stand to be replaced......
My best friend called me on Saturday to tell me that her company was requiring her to set up to work from home, and she was complaining about it as she works in a call center and would have to spend the weekend re-arranging her computer setup to accommodate it. She too was claiming this wasn't any worse than the flu and this is all over kill, so I tried to explain the difference to her. She asked me to send her links to read, so I sent her the John Hopkins link from earlier and a link to this thread lol
I hope she reads this as she lives in the metro area of the state capitol and she has weak lungs and is very susceptible to anything that infects the respiratory system, so if she does catch this, it has a very good potential of being very bad for her, and even worse, she's the type that waits until the very last minute to go to the doctor, meaning she'll let it get very severe before seeking medical help. And she lives alone and I'm her only contact
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snowflake954 wrote: »I will make a couple of recommendations from our experience here in Italy. I know they tell you that masks don't work, but the Chinese experts think they do. We were reprimanded for too many people without. We need them to go shopping or the pharmacy. They are now introvabile. Please don't hoard them. If someone in your family gets the virus and you need to tend them you should have a mask. Buy what you need. I had to make my own from cheesecloth with a pocket to slip a filter in. I made a double rectangle and put elastic bands on. The fabric has to be strong enough to be disinfected every time you take it off and don't touch the front while doing so. I plan to disinfect mine and throw away the filter every time. I'm using a swiffter like sheet for the filter. I hope it works--I don't have other options.
Lightweight plastic gloves--luckily I had a box on hand. I put them on before entering the supermarket--carts can have many germs and we don't have wipes here. Throw them after use.
If you have important medication get it refilled now.
If your supermarkets aren't out buy some nuts and dried fruit. With dried fruit you can make pies. These are calorie dense--portion them out.
I appreciate all your updates. Getting many more from France, Germany and Italy from others as well. YouTube has many videos of how to make your own mask. Perhaps they will help, I'm not sure, but they would not hurt if this gets bad and the mask shortage continues. I do think they would help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNjpH5lBZ8w 3 -
Potential great news but it's too early to tell if this will work. I'm hearing of rapid potential treatments, not vaccines. One is the one Snowflake mentioned around a week ago -- the RA drug which slows the progression in the lungs. This other one, which slows the replication of the virus, might show a lot more promise. It was developed for Ebola.
https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/coronavirus-remdesivir-gilead-antiviral-drug-covid-19/573261/
There's also another strategy I've heard of as well. They take the antibodies from those that have had it and recovered and administer them to people that haven't had it yet. That would be a longer term play, though.
It's not they won't find a vaccine, I think they will, but these are strategies meant to minimize deaths until we find a vaccine. World wide, pharmaceutical companies are working hard to find solutions.6 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
I’ll admit, I would be way more skeptical and in denial of what is going on in the world if it weren’t for this thread, especially @snowflake954’s updates from Italy. I keep trying to talk logical sense into people (the lady this morning is also spreading the “flatten the curve” message) without fear mongering.
me, too - my initial thoughts at the beginning of this thread have drastically changed as it has grown in length!
I was a little frustrated with the pastor's wife yesterday morning. She had the attitude that this is all overkill and devastating the economy which she claims will cause more deaths in the long run itself. And then there are number of people who aren't bothered at all, having the attitude that "God will take care of me". *shakes head* Every time I heard that, I couldn't help but wonder how many people blew off the Spanish flu in 1918 with that attitude, or better yet, the Black Plague. I"m a Christian and believe in God and the Bible, but I'm also a firm believer that God expects us to use common sense, too, and treating a disease like this as though its trivial is about as far from sensible as one can get. (DISCLAIMER: this is just my particular belief and isn't meant to start any sort of religious discussion as I'm sure there are many others of a variety of faiths who are doing the same thing - so please don't take this and delve into an area that's going to get us in trouble with the moderators!)
anyway, I was trying to explain the flattening of the curve thing, too, but it wasn't getting much traction, sadly. I hate to even think it, but its going to take people getting sick and hospitalized and perhaps worse before most people in my area start to take this seriously.
On the mask front, I have a respirator style mask that fits tight against my face that I use when making my soap, so I hope that would be adequate if it comes to the place where I need it. Also makes me think I'd better stop at Lowe's on the way home and see if I can get another pack of those, as the one I have is getting a little old and could probably stand to be replaced......
My best friend called me on Saturday to tell me that her company was requiring her to set up to work from home, and she was complaining about it as she works in a call center and would have to spend the weekend re-arranging her computer setup to accommodate it. She too was claiming this wasn't any worse than the flu and this is all over kill, so I tried to explain the difference to her. She asked me to send her links to read, so I sent her the John Hopkins link from earlier and a link to this thread lol
I hope she reads this as she lives in the metro area of the state capitol and she has weak lungs and is very susceptible to anything that infects the respiratory system, so if she does catch this, it has a very good potential of being very bad for her, and even worse, she's the type that waits until the very last minute to go to the doctor, meaning she'll let it get very severe before seeking medical help. And she lives alone and I'm her only contact
Haven't the people in your church heard the old saying "God helps those that help themselves?" I grew up with that. I agree with you that some people are in for a rude awakening. I'm trying to tell my family. This thread has been so interesting because people chime in from all over the world with whats happening--it's truely global. And I, like you, have seen the thread change and evolve and people are changing their ideas. I certainly hope this goes better for all of you in the rest of the world. All the things bought can be used. Unfortunately this thing is moving like a train.10
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