Guns??
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You will find people that are against it, and the PRO gun individuals will be for it.
To me....it's just like religion, and not on my list of topics to discuss. It generally leads to an argument..... :noway:
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HK USP40
Thank you, that is all.0 -
/in b4 this gets locked.
Anyway, unless you have small children or irresponsible children, there is really nothing to worry about. The ONE thing ALL guns need to function, and are COMPLETELY useless without, is a person to shoot it. What I'm getting at here is that a gun will never just fire on its own. It has to have a person holding it, and usually doing something wrong (though rarely, guns do malfunction and can misfire) to be able to shoot. If the person asks for a gun, trust me, it's a good present! My fiance got me an ambidextrous selector switch for my AR15 for Christmas, because I'm a left-handed shooter and the AR is right-handed.:) It's a great gift IF the person has experience with firearms.0 -
guns are disgusting. why would you even want it? If you have one that means you are willing to use it.
With the exception of a police officer or someone with authority, most of the time only redneck and gangsters have guns. why would you want one?
it takes the out the skill for fighting. weak people acting tough
Congratulations, it's people like you that are bound to get innocent threads locked.0 -
HK USP40
Thank you, that is all.
One of my favorites.0 -
Okay I gotta get off this thread before I call out all the idiots. :laugh: If anyone is interested, I run and own a group called Gun Lovers UNITE. We're strictly pro-gun, but if anyone would like more education, we are more than willing to educate you
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In a way, I think that favoring guns is actually a sign of evolved sensibilities in some people. People like me, in a state of nature, tend to be dominant-- large, strong, capable of organizing and strategizing etc. I really should be opposed to guns, since it puts people like KimmieBrie on equal footing with me. In fact, it puts me at a disadvantage-- I'm a much bigger target! But I still favor keeping and learning about them. Now a small, or old, or handicapped, etc. person need not fear my evil twin. See? I'm evolved!
j/k... :-) I really do favor gun rights, and I very much wish that groups that tend to be victimized would learn their use. How much different would history be if persecuted groups had the ability to effectively resist?Congratulations, it's people like you that are bound to get innocent threads locked.
Maybe so, but I find the mindset mystifying, and their expression of it is interesting. What does the poster believe about gun owners-- me, for example-- that leads them to believe that we feel the need to prove ourselves? I've been taunted a little elsewhere-- "Oh, the big man needs a gun." Is the "big man" knife-proof? Somehow magically resistant to a crowbar to the head? I am a "big man" by any reasonable standard (but getting smaller!)-- even when I'm my target weight, I'll still be big, but properly big. I feel absolutely no need to risk my life or health in single combat any more than I feel the need to run out into a tornado to test myself against it.0 -
Well said.In a way, I think that favoring guns is actually a sign of evolved sensibilities in some people. People like me, in a state of nature, tend to be dominant-- large, strong, capable of organizing and strategizing etc. I really should be opposed to guns, since it puts people like KimmieBrie on equal footing with me. In fact, it puts me at a disadvantage-- I'm a much bigger target! But I still favor keeping and learning about them. Now a small, or old, or handicapped, etc. person need not fear my evil twin. See? I'm evolved!
j/k... :-) I really do favor gun rights, and I very much wish that groups that tend to be victimized would learn their use. How much different would history be if persecuted groups had the ability to effectively resist?0 -
How much different would history be if persecuted groups had the ability to effectively resist?
I've often said that that the invention of gunpowder is the single most impactful event in human history. By a country mile.0 -
In a way, I think that favoring guns is actually a sign of evolved sensibilities in some people. People like me, in a state of nature, tend to be dominant-- large, strong, capable of organizing and strategizing etc. I really should be opposed to guns, since it puts people like KimmieBrie on equal footing with me. In fact, it puts me at a disadvantage-- I'm a much bigger target! But I still favor keeping and learning about them. Now a small, or old, or handicapped, etc. person need not fear my evil twin. See? I'm evolved!
j/k... :-) I really do favor gun rights, and I very much wish that groups that tend to be victimized would learn their use. How much different would history be if persecuted groups had the ability to effectively resist?Congratulations, it's people like you that are bound to get innocent threads locked.
Maybe so, but I find the mindset mystifying, and their expression of it is interesting. What does the poster believe about gun owners-- me, for example-- that leads them to believe that we feel the need to prove ourselves? I've been taunted a little elsewhere-- "Oh, the big man needs a gun." Is the "big man" knife-proof? Somehow magically resistant to a crowbar to the head? I am a "big man" by any reasonable standard (but getting smaller!)-- even when I'm my target weight, I'll still be big, but properly big. I feel absolutely no need to risk my life or health in single combat any more than I feel the need to run out into a tornado to test myself against it.
Well said, my man/woman!0 -
completely for it, I am an avid gun owner, and target shooter.0
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Just to clarify...In a way, I think that favoring guns is actually a sign of evolved sensibilities in some people. People like me, in a state of nature, tend to be dominant-- large, strong, capable of organizing and strategizing etc. I really should be opposed to guns, since it puts people like KimmieBrie on equal footing with me. In fact, it puts me at a disadvantage-- I'm a much bigger target! But I still favor keeping and learning about them. Now a small, or old, or handicapped, etc. person need not fear my evil twin. See? I'm evolved!
j/k... :-) I really do favor gun rights, and I very much wish that groups that tend to be victimized would learn their use. How much different would history be if persecuted groups had the ability to effectively resist?Congratulations, it's people like you that are bound to get innocent threads locked.
Maybe so, but I find the mindset mystifying, and their expression of it is interesting. What does the poster believe about gun owners-- me, for example-- that leads them to believe that we feel the need to prove ourselves? I've been taunted a little elsewhere-- "Oh, the big man needs a gun." Is the "big man" knife-proof? Somehow magically resistant to a crowbar to the head? I am a "big man" by any reasonable standard (but getting smaller!)-- even when I'm my target weight, I'll still be big, but properly big. I feel absolutely no need to risk my life or health in single combat any more than I feel the need to run out into a tornado to test myself against it.
Pretty sure that this comment...
Was in response to this one, as it quoted it...Congratulations, it's people like you that are bound to get innocent threads locked.guns are disgusting. why would you even want it? If you have one that means you are willing to use it.
With the exception of a police officer or someone with authority, most of the time only redneck and gangsters have guns. why would you want one?
it takes the out the skill for fighting. weak people acting tough0 -
Well said.Well said, my man/woman!
Many thanks! I wonder if I'm clear sometimes. And it's man, usually, although on weekends it's arguably "overgrown man-child".Just to clarify...
Yes, you're right, that's the response to the response to which I was responding. :-) Sorry, I tend to over-edit and -trim my replies.0 -
It is our constitutional right to bear arms, one that hasn't been taken away by our government...yet. I think if you are to have a gun in the house, there should be a safety course and learn how to shoot it and care for it. Then keep the gun in a gun safe and the ammunition locked up. There is also a trigger lock.
My daughter and son-in-law live way out in the country. They have 5 kids. They had a guy come up to their door one night a few months ago asking vague questions about his friend who he "thought" lived there. They sent him away and reported his tag number to the police. A few weeks later, a man who lives about a mile from them was a victim of a home invasion by the same guy. He tied the man and his wife up, pistol whipped both and robbed them, all in front of their small grandchildren. My daughter and son-in-law both own guns and are educated in their use and safe keeping.0 -
Dimpleschick, what use is a gun locked up in a safe, with a trigger lock on it, with the ammo locked up separately if someone breaks in? I have my carry piece sitting on a textbook to my right, and only thing I cede to safety is knowing to be safe, and having the safety on. Too many people think a safe gun requires a ton of barricades to it's use.
In reality, a safe gun, just like a safe bottle of bleach and ammonia, only require a safe owner.
I also agree that you SHOULD take a safety course, and learn how to shoot and care for a gun before owning one, but I disagree it should be a requirement, just too rife for what qualifies as acceptable and allows too many jurisdictions to unfairly limit access, not to mention on the face of it, it IS an infringement.0 -
I wish I could have a gun. I feel some day a situation will arise that I wish I had one around. Mind you, it easily creates just as many problems as it solves. I think I just watch too many cool movies. Maybe I should stick with more Van Dammes and less Rambo.
I remember a few years back a guy I went to hs with was arguin with his cousin at the bar, and the cousin said somethin along the lines of either killing him or himself. Anyway, they went home for the night and guy 1 was worried about his cousin so called the cops. They went to his house, found him passed out, and tracked down the guns he had registered in the house. I guess they weren't locked up, and they hauled him off to jail. I remember seein him at the courthouse as they laid charges on him for it.
There's no point to that story, I just remembered it.0 -
Two Christmases ago I got a pink rifle. I have a strong feeling my husband got me a pink hand gun this year. We shall find out. Guns make great gifts and are actually very popular. Women are buying more than ever and now they have so many colors and women courses. Our sales have jumped this month due to Christmas.0
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Two Christmases ago I got a pink rifle. I have a strong feeling my husband got me a pink hand gun this year. We shall find out. Guns make great gifts and are actually very popular. Women are buying more than ever and now they have so many colors and women courses. Our sales have jumped this month due to Christmas.
See, a man that buys guns for his wife is someone that's sure he's treating her well! :-)0 -
Two Christmases ago I got a pink rifle. I have a strong feeling my husband got me a pink hand gun this year. We shall find out. Guns make great gifts and are actually very popular. Women are buying more than ever and now they have so many colors and women courses. Our sales have jumped this month due to Christmas.
See, a man that buys guns for his wife is someone that's sure he's treating her well! :-)
Ha, yeah well ....... 0 -
Sounds like there is a bit of paranoia on either side of this debate. Like I said earlier I grew up in a home free of guns, my father didn't hunt, and we were never afraid of intruders. But having the job I do and learning about them and how to properly shoot has been very informatice. Guns are not disgusting things that only rednecks and gangsters use, and they don't have to be scary. But they aren't toys either, and we all don't need personal armories either (IMO). And remember, having a gun isn't foolproof either, there's always a possibility of it falling into the wrong hands, a person not being able to keep ahold if it, or just not being close enought to it if you feel it's needed.
I have to say that being in the military is where I first shot a gun, and I've only been to a civilian firing range twice since I've joined. It's definitely the rules we have to follow on the range when qualifying, but shooting with those civilian guys kind of scared the crap out of me. Just be careful is all I'm saying-oh and I was a better shot than both of them
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This battle will never be won by either side. That being said, I know the effects of a gun. With a gun used for self defense everybody can play monday morning quarterback all they want until they are required to make the decision to squeeze the trigger. Then in that instant your world changes. When I was a police officer I had my service weapon out so many times I cant count. One of the things kids always ask you is "have you ever shot anybody!" They make it sound cool, like its a perk of the job. I could always say no to that question until I witnessed another Officer hit by a truck, then the truck came at me. Before I knew it I was unholstered and firing rounds.After the incident the first thought I ahd was I cant say no anymore to that question. Then I wondered how many rounds I fired. Then I wondered if I made the right decision as in this day and age anyone can sue you for anything. It was ruled a good shoot after a week. But the events of the shooting never left me. I didnt sleep for about 3-4 days. Everytime I closed my eyes I was back on that street. A week later I was standing in a house wating for a man with a shotgun yelling from upstairs he was going to kill all of us as he fired shells down the stairs. Luckily he was later subdued with a less lethal bean bag round. Then I went to work as a detective. I worked the majority of the suicides that unfortunately were primarily head shots from handguns. So I have seen the aftermath of what a gun can do in those situations along with a mass casualty shooting at a plant. Those images are still with me to this day. Anyone can carry, but you dont realize the effect it will ahve if you ever pull the trigger. Look at all the service men and women protecting us who have come back with PTSD due to what they've seen and done. But we all made that decision, to protect our loved ones and ourselves and out country. To pull the trigger to stop an immediate threat to life and safety. Dont judge people until you are in that situation. Until youve been involved in it youll never truly understand the aftermath. The decisions that have to be made in a split second. The gun is just a tool, no different than a knife or pole or bat you pick up to defend yourself, you make the decision to use it or not.0
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Dimpleschick, what use is a gun locked up in a safe, with a trigger lock on it, with the ammo locked up separately if someone breaks in? I have my carry piece sitting on a textbook to my right, and only thing I cede to safety is knowing to be safe, and having the safety on. Too many people think a safe gun requires a ton of barricades to it's use.
In reality, a safe gun, just like a safe bottle of bleach and ammonia, only require a safe owner.
I also agree that you SHOULD take a safety course, and learn how to shoot and care for a gun before owning one, but I disagree it should be a requirement, just too rife for what qualifies as acceptable and allows too many jurisdictions to unfairly limit access, not to mention on the face of it, it IS an infringement.
***Oh, I knew there would be some back wash about that comment. Did I say anything about the ammo being locked up separately or the trigger locks on the guns while they are locked up? Nooooo, I don't think I did. I didn't say I thought a gun safety course should be a requirement either. However, I think anybody who buys a gun and knows nothing about using it is an idiot.
I don't believe in government intruding on personal rights, but I also believe people should be informed and know the benefits and dangers of gun ownership. They also should be informed about what kind of gun need for their intended purpose.
My daughter and son-in-law don't keep their weapons all locked up at once. I won't mention the number, but they have several fire arms. My son-in-law hunts for game as well. They do keep one gun at the ready, but they have 5 kids under the age of 9 so it is smart to keep the others locked up. Besides, if they do have a break-in while they are away from the house, they don't want their guns stolen along with the tv.0 -
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Gandhi0 -
If you want good info go to Wikipedia
NO. NO. NO.
Wiki is not reliable for anything. Just sayin'
You took that out of context, I was saying to
Go to Wikipedia AND SCROLL TO THE THE SOURCES.
always check your sources.0 -
It's something I said I'd never have in my own house. I've since changed my mind. I don't have one but I'm considering getting one. I'll take classes offered by the police academy before I'll use one though. My grandfather had them, my dad had them, my ex has them. I have never used one, but I think I'd like to learn... just for protection. I'd consider keeping one near the bed at night. Probably not in my car.0
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I don't like guns, so guns are not allowed in my house!
I would never ask for one as a Christmas present. In my opinion is an insult to the meaning of Christmas and I don't consider myself a very religious person.0 -
Ely, fair enough you don't like guns, and that's fine. But to call asking for one an insult to the meaning of Christmas?
What about the fact that the holiday is celebrated with a plethora of pagan symbols (Tree, wreath) results in children practically worshiping a false idol (Santa), is primarily commercial (The fact that it's expected to purchase and give gifts, heavy advertising, the baubles and decorations so many put up, etc, etc, etc.), and has lost most of the religious meaning for the vast majority of those that celebrate it (Christmas trees and decorations EVERYWHERE, so few go to Church, and so few celebrate it as a representation of Christs birth) added on top of the fact that the original date itself of Christs birth is not celebrated, but that the date was picked more likely than not to coincide with pagan rites to draw in more converts early in Christianities history.
Yet you think giving a gun, with which many people hone their concentration, that requires a good degree of hand/eye coordination, maturity, patience, and skills, and that can bring quite a bit of fun while plinking (Shooting for fun at things like tin cans, metal gong targets, etc) is the insult to the meaning of Christmas?
I'll leave you with a quote from the King James Bible
Luke 22-36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." And a link to it in many different versions of the Bible (http://bible.cc/luke/22-36.htm)
Guns are the modern day Swords.0 -
Swords > Guns, IMHO. If I were ever in a pinch, I would toss a steak knife!0
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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
ill bet that quote is b0ll0cks0 -
i cant imagine any use for a gun unless you either live right out in the wilds somewhere where youre threatened with bears etc, or unless you want to kill people and everyone else has guns.0
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