Guns??
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Im in the Uk were guns are illegal.
Would LOVE a gun as a gift though!
... Although if i ever did use it, it would only be to like shoot fruit or something.. =/0 -
Sooo on my xmas lists I got this year, I got a request to buy a riffle gun for our household this year!! what are your thoughts about guns in the house?? I dont have problems with guns I just dont know if that would be a good gift to give someone!
If you are going to buy a gun for a gift, then get a good one - have a look here: http://www.purdey.com/0 -
It's a device designed to kill stuff. Why on Earth anybody would want one in the house, is beyond me :noway:0
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At least here the teenagers only manage to stab each other.
I haven't read the rest of the this thread but this comment astounds me. stab wounds are horrific and devastating, potentially fatal. The most common reason for knife possession on the streets is "self protection" but those who carry knives are likely to get stabbed by their own weapon. Even if a stab wound does not kill it can seriously maim and disable.
Wouldn't go for a gun either; I just don't get the attraction to something that could potentially kill.0 -
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
ill bet that quote is b0ll0cks
I'll take that bet.Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.---Mahatma Gandhi, "An Autobiography OR The story of my experiments with truth", Chapter 27, Recruiting Campaign, from a leaflet urging Indians to serve with the British Army in World War II.0 -
I am in the UK, so the image of guns is completely different here, as in they are illegal, but there is no way in a million years I would ever allow a gun in the house with my children.
Countries with more guns have more gun crime. At least here the teenagers only manage to stab each other.
If countries where the public has more guns have more crime, what do you call all of the riots going on in the UK right now? Also take a real look at the statistics not what you are being spoon fed. Haven't you heard of unground sales of illegal guns? Criminals will find a way to get guns whether they are illegal or not. Making something illegal doesn't make it impossible to get... look at the drug trade.
Technically the riots were not gun related just idiots taking the opportunity to steal stuff. I wonder how bad the riots would have been if those "idiots" had access to guns in their homes? A lot of them were just kids, I have no objection to guns being owned by responsible people I grew up in the countryside where hunting with guns was commonplace. But idiots and guns? very scary even more scary than criminals with guns in some ways.0 -
If countries where the public has more guns have more crime, what do you call all of the riots going on in the UK right now? Also take a real look at the statistics not what you are being spoon fed. Haven't you heard of unground sales of illegal guns? Criminals will find a way to get guns whether they are illegal or not. Making something illegal doesn't make it impossible to get... look at the drug trade.I am in the UK, so the image of guns is completely different here, as in they are illegal, but there is no way in a million years I would ever allow a gun in the house with my children.
Countries with more guns have more gun crime. At least here the teenagers only manage to stab each other.
I live in the UK too, but from what I know I am enclined to agree with the UK guy.
Riots are over in the UK now, and lasted for about a week or so (also it happened about 2 months ago too now).
Anyway, look at the real statistics not what you are being spoon fed (yep, this applies to you too, and yes, according to the stats I have heard - or been spoon fed - gun crime is higher in countries where guns are available to the public lawfully).
Sure, people will find a way to get something that is illegal... But then the difference between obtaining something that is "illegal" and "legal" is that in one case it is "illegal"... So technically, you can get arrested if you are found with it, it makes it more difficult to obtain, etc.
Since the English and Canadians aren't allowed the freedom to own a gun, then the OPs question shouldn't apply to them, since you have no choice in the matter.
Thankfully, although we don't have guns, we still have freedom of speech.
Actually we do have the freedom to own guns in the UK you just have to be able to stringently justify actually needing one. Home defence or just because you like them doesn't count over here. But game keepers, hunters, yes we have hunting seasons LOL gun club members and farmers can purchase guns.0 -
I think it all depends on how threatened you feel in your own home? Do you need a gun?0
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You know, this is mainly supposed to be about the gift, and I apologize for taking it on a bit of a tangent myself. So let me invite a few of you to the Gun Lovers Group, even if you're not a gun lover. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/279-gun-lovers-unite- If any of you feel the desire to debate your points, I'll gladly take you up on it there, and if the OP wants some advice on what TYPE of gun to get, assuming they don't already have one picked out, it could be a fun exercise.
I'd seriously love to refute quite a few of the points brought up here, but, I'd hate to get it locked myself.
In closing, OP, I think a gun is a GREAT gift for Christmas, and have received one for Christmas myself, and would love another. I personally love heading out to the range to kill some paper, and, since you said it was for someone in your house if I remember correctly, it can really make a fun trip for the whole house.0 -
I am in the UK, so the image of guns is completely different here, as in they are illegal, but there is no way in a million years I would ever allow a gun in the house with my children.
Countries with more guns have more gun crime. At least here the teenagers only manage to stab each other.
If countries where the public has more guns have more crime, what do you call all of the riots going on in the UK right now? Also take a real look at the statistics not what you are being spoon fed. Haven't you heard of unground sales of illegal guns? Criminals will find a way to get guns whether they are illegal or not. Making something illegal doesn't make it impossible to get... look at the drug trade.
Technically the riots were not gun related just idiots taking the opportunity to steal stuff. I wonder how bad the riots would have been if those "idiots" had access to guns in their homes? A lot of them were just kids, I have no objection to guns being owned by responsible people I grew up in the countryside where hunting with guns was commonplace. But idiots and guns? very scary even more scary than criminals with guns in some ways.
Yes, you can get guns if you want them but most people in the UK do without. I think I feel much safer with them less available than I would if, for example, our Police service carried guns or if people had them legitimately in their houses. The damage caused by a gun cannot be undone; I mean what is a gun for if it's not for killing? To make people feel powerful? No thanks.
The riots were awful but they were relatively short lived and are not going on any more, nor were they gun related (yes, someone was shot but I think that someone used the riots as an opportunity to kill someone under the cover of the chaos). Plus the hype was bigger than the actual event in my opinion (although I am in no way minimising what happened). Also, I work in youth justice and although there were lots of young people involved in the riots, many of them were actually adults and I'm not convinced the kids were in majority.0 -
I didn't read all 10 pages so not sure where you are but my DH has guns stored in a locked safe in a alarmed and locked room. I don't have a problem with guns in the house if they are properly secured. In Canada you wouldn't be able to buy a gun unless you have the proper licensing, which means you can own a gun or buy one.not something I would want under the tree but DH would love it and I have many years ago bought him one but not now.0
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Actually we do have the freedom to own guns in the UK you just have to be able to stringently justify actually needing one. Home defence or just because you like them doesn't count over here. But game keepers, hunters, yes we have hunting seasons LOL gun club members and farmers can purchase guns.
How, then, is that freedom? Consider these statements instead:
"Actually we do have freedom of speech. You just have to be able to stringently justify actually needing to speak."
"Actually we do have freedom of the press. You just have to be able to stringently justify actually needing to print something."
"Actually we do have freedom of religion. You just have to be able to stringently justify actually needing to worship."
"Actually we do have freedom of trial by jury before being imprisoned. You just have to be able to stringently justify actually needing a trial."
No, you don't have the freedom to own guns. One can argue the differences between those those things and guns, but there can be no argument that you have freedom to own guns. You have the freedom to beg the government for the privilege and hope that they grant you permission.0 -
Without guns, the Brits would be speaking German, and the USA would be speaking Japanese.
Guns are merely an instrument. It takes a person to make an instrument dangerous.
I like the way you think!0 -
I would not want one in the house. The only justification for a gun is if you need one as a working tool on the farm, or in the forest. Even hunting guns are dangerous.
If you do get one, keep it under lock and key, uncharged, with the ammunition under lock and key in a different room. There are so many accidents with kids and teens playing around with the dad's hunting guns without realizing that they are loaded. Most people that know don't have them around for that very reason.0 -
I would not want one in the house. The only justification for a gun is if you need one as a working tool on the farm, or in the forest. Even hunting guns are dangerous.
If you do get one, keep it under lock and key, uncharged, with the ammunition under lock and key in a different room. There are so many accidents with kids and teens playing around with the dad's hunting guns without realizing that they are loaded. Most people that know don't have them around for that very reason.
<sigh> Grassette, do you have bleach and ammonia in your house? Bet you, or at least most of your friends do.
Do you keep them under lock and key separately?
Do you lock up your car separate from the keys and gas?
Do you keep kitchen knives locked away?
What about a pool, if you have one, do you have it indoors with a door only you can access?
All those things are just as, and in some cases MORE (cars) dangerous than a gun. Yet because they're part of every day life for EVERYONE, no special precautions are really taken. Cars by far outrank damage and devastation caused by guns, because there's far more idiots with cars than with guns. We trust 16 year olds with cars unsupervised.
Yes, guns can be dangerous used incorrectly, but there's quite a few other justifications for guns than as working tools. Like enjoyment, discipline, decoration, group activity, relaxation, self defense, pest management, and yes, hunting. I'm sure there's plenty more others can think of too. Yes, they have a negative connotation to those that have little to no experience with them, but they are not inherently dangerous. They do not fire themselves. They do not kill on their own. The people that use them for negative causes are to blame, as they will use any device they can to cause harm if that is their goal. Is a person stabbed to death any better off than someone shot to death? Or bludgeoned to death? Would the person be better off that their killer opted to use a pipe to murder them rather than a gun?
And as far as kids accessing them, how many kids are killed falling into pools? Drinking Chemicals? Due to improper child restraint seats? See where I'm going with this? Guns should be a consideration when kids are around, yes, but same as quite a few other things should be a consideration. They once again aren't inherently any more dangerous than most other things you keep in your house.0 -
The only justification for a gun is if you need one as a working tool on the farm, or in the forest. Even hunting guns are dangerous.
Nope. Self-defense is a valid justification. Just target shooting for fun is justification.
And, yes, hunting guns are dangerous. That's what makes them good at what they do.0 -
I would not want one in the house. The only justification for a gun is if you need one as a working tool on the farm, or in the forest. Even hunting guns are dangerous.
If you do get one, keep it under lock and key, uncharged, with the ammunition under lock and key in a different room. There are so many accidents with kids and teens playing around with the dad's hunting guns without realizing that they are loaded. Most people that know don't have them around for that very reason.
<sigh> Grassette, do you have bleach and ammonia in your house? Bet you, or at least most of your friends do.
Do you keep them under lock and key separately?
Do you lock up your car separate from the keys and gas?
Do you keep kitchen knives locked away?
What about a pool, if you have one, do you have it indoors with a door only you can access?
All those things are just as, and in some cases MORE (cars) dangerous than a gun. Yet because they're part of every day life for EVERYONE, no special precautions are really taken. Cars by far outrank damage and devastation caused by guns, because there's far more idiots with cars than with guns. We trust 16 year olds with cars unsupervised.
Yes, guns can be dangerous used incorrectly, but there's quite a few other justifications for guns than as working tools. Like enjoyment, discipline, decoration, group activity, relaxation, self defense, pest management, and yes, hunting. I'm sure there's plenty more others can think of too. Yes, they have a negative connotation to those that have little to no experience with them, but they are not inherently dangerous. They do not fire themselves. They do not kill on their own. The people that use them for negative causes are to blame, as they will use any device they can to cause harm if that is their goal. Is a person stabbed to death any better off than someone shot to death? Or bludgeoned to death? Would the person be better off that their killer opted to use a pipe to murder them rather than a gun?
And as far as kids accessing them, how many kids are killed falling into pools? Drinking Chemicals? Due to improper child restraint seats? See where I'm going with this? Guns should be a consideration when kids are around, yes, but same as quite a few other things should be a consideration. They once again aren't inherently any more dangerous than most other things you keep in your house.
I beg to differ. I don't know anyone who have lost their children to bleach an ammonia, and several who have lost their teens due to them fooling around with their dad's hunting rifle. I'm not an American BTW, so have a different attitude about it. I can't get over how Americans arm themselves to the gills and feel that a handgun is a guarantee of personal safety. We get along fine without them, unless, as I noted, you need them because of animals. But the USA has its own gun culture, and that is one of the big cultural differences between us.0 -
I can't get over how Americans arm themselves to the gills...
Just out of curiosity, how many guns do you think the average American has? And how many does a person have to have in order for you to consider them "armed to the gills"?0 -
I am a retired police officer so my perspective is kind of jaded...
I think guns are great in the hands of responsible people....this is not said to upset any group of people but I worked 31 years and dealt with guns being taken away from people and used back on them...you wouldnt believe the number of crimes that have gone bad not because the bad guy had a gun to begin with but the bad guy found a gun in the house or business he broke into, or took it off someone who didnt know if he could actually use the gun to protect themselves or others...
A gun is a great thing to have only if you know how to use it and are proficient with the weapon..... If your state allows carry concealed...please take the course and carry it on your person daily...if you have a gun above the stove or in teh night stand or under the mattress and the bad guy breaks in...you got to tell him to hold on till you go get your gun....
DONT BUY SOMETHING BIGGER THAN YOU CAN HANDLE BECAUSE SOMEONE SUGGESTED IT...buy a gun you can handle...those of you who have shotguns, they are fun to shoot skeet and make big noise...or as one person said..they liked the sound it made and Im only guessing it was when (she) racked a shell into the chamber...it does make a cool sound....again not good when you hear the noise because you were in the back yard or not in the same room as the gun and the bad guy got to it first...
so buy a gun easy to carry and get to ....i have a gun on me all the waking hours of the day and at night, under the edge of the mattress .... I live in Florida and we have carry concealed laws here SO I DO CARRY...that might be a police thing...I also have one premantly mounted in my truck where i can put my hands on it in a second...the one I carry on my body is usually and North American Arms 22 magnum on a necklace holster..that is the coolest thing ever made....I have a Kel Tec PF 9 (9mm) mounted in my chair in the living room... I believe you have to have it where you can get your hands on it in a second...carry it like your life depended on it..oh, shotguns are also good for bird hunting.....
Im not much on shotguns as personal protection....if you have a fortified home and have plenty of time to walk to the bedroom and get it and load it and go to the observation place and patiently wait for the bad guy..
this is getting too long...but when I went to Gander Mountain to take the carry concealed course, there were some people in there who after the course would have a permit to carry that absolutely scared the crap out of me as a retired police officer....
one lady was about 90 years old and sat there shaking the whole class....scary ...one young girl asked if she was in a bar and a guy said something bad to her , could she pull the gun and tell him to go away...scary..there were others who had no idea of why they were there...scary....but i do believe in that right to protect yourself and carry (within law limits)
dont buy a gun and put it in the drawer.....if you get a gun....hold it...draw it....clean it....carry it where you can get to it in a second....dont put it under the seat or in teh trunk...
obey all laws and enjoy the feeling it gives to you that if something bad did happen you could protect yourself or others ....
study your states laws...be comfortable and for Gods sake...dont brag to people that you are carring one or have ones at home..that is an invitation for the bad guy to break into your home
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have fun...be responsible..oh one last thing...if you dont feel completely comfortable with owning a gun, there are great new products for personal protection on the market...pepper spray...tasers...and other cool stuff..
sorry this was so long..0 -
My children are 18 years old and 15 years old. They both are gun owners -- however it was something I was against them having until they took a gun safety course that was 8 hours long and they had to pass with both a physical hands on and written test. We live in an area that many family's give their new born a gun! Just kidding... still many kids here have guns and know how to use them at a younger age than we allowed our kids to. My husband has had a handgun all of our marriage. He was at one time a mobile locksmith, and did night calls. Once he was attacked and beat up by a drunk man whose girlfriend called him to get her keys out of her car. He has always had that gun in a gun safe so that the kids, when they were younger couldn't get at it accidentally. Placing it under a mattress, in a closet behind some boxes or in a night stand is NOT a secure gun. I personally would learn to use a gun through a course before bringing one into the house, and make sure the person you are gifting it to has also gone through a course. A gun unsecured and not understood can be fatal to the owner and their family before protecting said family or killing someone else in defense, even if it is just being used to hunt with. It is better to be safe than sorry.0
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I am a retired police officer so my perspective is kind of jaded...
I think guns are great in the hands of responsible people....this is not said to upset any group of people but I worked 31 years and dealt with guns being taken away from people and used back on them...you wouldnt believe the number of crimes that have gone bad not because the bad guy had a gun to begin with but the bad guy found a gun in the house or business he broke into, or took it off someone who didnt know if he could actually use the gun to protect themselves or others...
A gun is a great thing to have only if you know how to use it and are proficient with the weapon..... If your state allows carry concealed...please take the course and carry it on your person daily...if you have a gun above the stove or in teh night stand or under the mattress and the bad guy breaks in...you got to tell him to hold on till you go get your gun....
DONT BUY SOMETHING BIGGER THAN YOU CAN HANDLE BECAUSE SOMEONE SUGGESTED IT...buy a gun you can handle...those of you who have shotguns, they are fun to shoot skeet and make big noise...or as one person said..they liked the sound it made and Im only guessing it was when (she) racked a shell into the chamber...it does make a cool sound....again not good when you hear the noise because you were in the back yard or not in the same room as the gun and the bad guy got to it first...
so buy a gun easy to carry and get to ....i have a gun on me all the waking hours of the day and at night, under the edge of the mattress .... I live in Florida and we have carry concealed laws here SO I DO CARRY...that might be a police thing...I also have one premantly mounted in my truck where i can put my hands on it in a second...the one I carry on my body is usually and North American Arms 22 magnum on a necklace holster..that is the coolest thing ever made....I have a Kel Tec PF 9 (9mm) mounted in my chair in the living room... I believe you have to have it where you can get your hands on it in a second...carry it like your life depended on it..oh, shotguns are also good for bird hunting.....
Im not much on shotguns as personal protection....if you have a fortified home and have plenty of time to walk to the bedroom and get it and load it and go to the observation place and patiently wait for the bad guy..
this is getting too long...but when I went to Gander Mountain to take the carry concealed course, there were some people in there who after the course would have a permit to carry that absolutely scared the crap out of me as a retired police officer....
one lady was about 90 years old and sat there shaking the whole class....scary ...one young girl asked if she was in a bar and a guy said something bad to her , could she pull the gun and tell him to go away...scary..there were others who had no idea of why they were there...scary....but i do believe in that right to protect yourself and carry (within law limits)
dont buy a gun and put it in the drawer.....if you get a gun....hold it...draw it....clean it....carry it where you can get to it in a second....dont put it under the seat or in teh trunk...
obey all laws and enjoy the feeling it gives to you that if something bad did happen you could protect yourself or others ....
study your states laws...be comfortable and for Gods sake...dont brag to people that you are carring one or have ones at home..that is an invitation for the bad guy to break into your home
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have fun...be responsible..oh one last thing...if you dont feel completely comfortable with owning a gun, there are great new products for personal protection on the market...pepper spray...tasers...and other cool stuff..
sorry this was so long..
Thanks for posting your perspective and giving us such good info! You're one of the good cops, it seems. I like the info you've given here.0 -
as one person said..they liked the sound it made and Im only guessing it was when (she) racked a shell into the chamber...
Yes, that's the sound I was referring to. Your post makes it sound like I'm some twit, "ooooo listen to the gun"
My family owned several kinds of weapons and I was properly taught how to handle each. I'm well prepared, intellectually. I just prefer deterring a confrontation through the use of my gun's sound effects. HOWEVER, please don't imagine that if that sound didn't have the intended effect, that I would hesitate to blow a hole through them the size of a pumpkin. I'd just prefer that to be the last resort. Cleaning blood out of the carpet is so tedious.0 -
oh, in my long ramble about guns, I NEVER DID MENTION THE DEAL ABOUT THE KIDS...
that is a special problem in itself...I have 2 boys and as a cop, my belief as they were growing up was to make them very familiar with all the guns i had....I took them out and let them see how deadly they could be..and yes I let them shoot them when I thought they were old enough..so they knew what would happen if they pulled the trigger..
it was still a challenge to keep all the guns safe and still have them where i need them to be...
I did use a gun safe for most of them but did have one near me at night and while i was at home....thats where the small gun came into play...i could just put it in my pocket...
In 31 years as a cop I had to use my gun 2 different times and that will stay with you for life...so dont think it would be cool to shoot someone...its not......
anyway....even when kids are familiar with guns and what they can do, they ARE STILL KIDS...wow that curiosity .....0 -
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i love your ticker quote... i have had the same feeling about guns... not safe but then again much research later.... i have rebuttled and have decided to own some as long as my husband will take my kids and me to the ranges0
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hey lucky, what kind of gun do you have that will blow a hole the size of a pumpkin.... that would take a very large gun....as a police officer, I know...Im sure you were refering to my comment so just back at you a little....
that is just silly to try to use the rack as a deterrent .... if you have ever been in a situation where a gun would have to be used (and im sure you havnt) your a@* puckers up and your eyes get tunnel vision and your dont hear hardly anything around you....
I have been in police shootings and I know what I am talking about from personal experience....
dont be silly about the racking noise and know what and why you are making comments..
every single time i come and make a comment on these threads, someone like you makes a big deal out of what i have said...I tried not to step on any toes and give some useful information.... but you took offense to what I said and i apologize for that...it is a deadly serious subject for me and I cringe when people talk about things like that...
be careful and again...sorry if I said something to get you upset...0 -
oh, hoppinglark...I absolutely loved your post...dang good0
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hey lucky, what kind of gun do you have that will blow a hole the size of a pumpkin....
It doesn't take a big gun... It takes a tiny pumpkin!0 -
treesloth...also it was never said if it was an entry wound or an exit wound.!!!!
true???0 -
treesloth...also it was never said if it was an entry wound or an exit wound.!!!!
true???
Well, it did say "through" them... maybe something thin, like a hand?
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