Do you still drink milk?

HollieDoodles

I used to, but haven't since I didn't want to add the calories. I should have replaced the calcium I lost, though! I completely forgot about that part.

I drink water 90% of the time.

My BF drinks milk every day. He still manages to lose weight and seems quite healthy.

MaraDiaz

We are only the top of the food chain because we use guns/machines to kill animals to fight our way to the top. If you put a human in a cage with a lion/bear/etc with no weapons then you will see who is really the top of the food chain.

We are at the top of the food chain because of our superior intellect, which has invented weapons allowing us to kill larger animals and eat them.

All species should be equal. A cow should NOT have to live its whole life trapped it a horrible factory getting forcibly impregnated so you can drink nasty milk.

If all species should be equal, should any animal be allowed to eat another then? C'mon... It's survival of the fittest (or smartest). It's the law of the jungle, alive and well in the jungle and out of the jungle.

WOW okay well I have nothing else to say to you because you are beyond help. Okay so its okay to rape a animal (Forcibly impregnating something sounds like rape to me!) so you can drink milk meant for its child??? Some animals eat each other because some animals are carnivores, (Humans are NOT & don't need to be, plenty of protein/nutrients in veggies etc) they chase down the animal and kill it with their teeth/claws eat it raw thats nature, not going through a drive thru or buying a pounds of gross ground beef then cooking and seasoning it etc thats not nature. We are not cave people we don't hunt for our food, the animals don't have a fighting chance like in the wild, they are confined to filthy nasty factory's were they live out their short sad life's, then are inhumanely slaughtered. I really feel bad for people who have no sense of right or wrong or compassion for animals. You are no better then any animal they deserve to be happy and live free. They don't owe you anything they shouldn't have to suffer because people are awful. Ugh But I don't even know why I say anything because most people are to mean to care so whatever. Keep killing animals and torturing them because you have no conscience.

This post will probably get deleted, but here is my take on animal activists in general: If you live in a first world capitalist society, you're a murderer. You support military forces and economic policies that steal the bread from children's mouths all over the world, just so you can have a high standard of living. You support sweat shops and dictators and oil wars every day of your life. You're a murderer, and so am I. The fate of cattle shouldn't be the first thing on our minds when we're feeling compassionate.

Compared to all that, compared to all the starving people in this world, what's a baby cow in the balance?

Not that I want to get involved in this argument, but as someone who works on a farm as a living (sheep farm-though we don't milk the animals obviously, we do raise and sell them at sale barns-not necessarily for slaughter), I can say I take very good care of my animals. The rams and ewes that are here to stay come up to me and want me to pet them just like my dog does. They have more land to graze on then they know what to do with. When a lamb is born we have them stay in the barn for over a month with heat lamps to make sure they are taken care of. If someone is rough with my animals I do not allow it. We pay twice as much to have the sheep sheared because the guy that comes takes his time and is gentle with the animals. Not every farm is like the ones you see on the activist sites.

I think a family farm (small farm? not sure where you work,) probably treats their animals a lot better then some giant slaughter house does. I still wouldn't eat meat from a family farm because of my own beliefs but I am sure the animals are treated better and killed humanely. I have no problem with a family farm. If people want to eat me they should search out places like where you work. They shouldn't support the big factories that don't care about the animals well being or if they are diseased or full of hormones. I have no argument with you, you seem like you actually have a heart.

so where is this farm if I want to eat you?

Yep. We're on to discussing cannibalism. I knew it.

Dave198lbs

We are only the top of the food chain because we use guns/machines to kill animals to fight our way to the top. If you put a human in a cage with a lion/bear/etc with no weapons then you will see who is really the top of the food chain.

We are at the top of the food chain because of our superior intellect, which has invented weapons allowing us to kill larger animals and eat them.

All species should be equal. A cow should NOT have to live its whole life trapped it a horrible factory getting forcibly impregnated so you can drink nasty milk.

If all species should be equal, should any animal be allowed to eat another then? C'mon... It's survival of the fittest (or smartest). It's the law of the jungle, alive and well in the jungle and out of the jungle.

WOW okay well I have nothing else to say to you because you are beyond help. Okay so its okay to rape a animal (Forcibly impregnating something sounds like rape to me!) so you can drink milk meant for its child??? Some animals eat each other because some animals are carnivores, (Humans are NOT & don't need to be, plenty of protein/nutrients in veggies etc) they chase down the animal and kill it with their teeth/claws eat it raw thats nature, not going through a drive thru or buying a pounds of gross ground beef then cooking and seasoning it etc thats not nature. We are not cave people we don't hunt for our food, the animals don't have a fighting chance like in the wild, they are confined to filthy nasty factory's were they live out their short sad life's, then are inhumanely slaughtered. I really feel bad for people who have no sense of right or wrong or compassion for animals. You are no better then any animal they deserve to be happy and live free. They don't owe you anything they shouldn't have to suffer because people are awful. Ugh But I don't even know why I say anything because most people are to mean to care so whatever. Keep killing animals and torturing them because you have no conscience.

This post will probably get deleted, but here is my take on animal activists in general: If you live in a first world capitalist society, you're a murderer. You support military forces and economic policies that steal the bread from children's mouths all over the world, just so you can have a high standard of living. You support sweat shops and dictators and oil wars every day of your life. You're a murderer, and so am I. The fate of cattle shouldn't be the first thing on our minds when we're feeling compassionate.

Compared to all that, compared to all the starving people in this world, what's a baby cow in the balance?

Not that I want to get involved in this argument, but as someone who works on a farm as a living (sheep farm-though we don't milk the animals obviously, we do raise and sell them at sale barns-not necessarily for slaughter), I can say I take very good care of my animals. The rams and ewes that are here to stay come up to me and want me to pet them just like my dog does. They have more land to graze on then they know what to do with. When a lamb is born we have them stay in the barn for over a month with heat lamps to make sure they are taken care of. If someone is rough with my animals I do not allow it. We pay twice as much to have the sheep sheared because the guy that comes takes his time and is gentle with the animals. Not every farm is like the ones you see on the activist sites.

I think a family farm (small farm? not sure where you work,) probably treats their animals a lot better then some giant slaughter house does. I still wouldn't eat meat from a family farm because of my own beliefs but I am sure the animals are treated better and killed humanely. I have no problem with a family farm. If people want to eat me they should search out places like where you work. They shouldn't support the big factories that don't care about the animals well being or if they are diseased or full of hormones. I have no argument with you, you seem like you actually have a heart.

so where is this farm if I want to eat you?

Yep. We're on to discussing cannibalism. I knew it.

hey...she siad "if people want to eat me..." just rollin with her

MaraDiaz

We are only the top of the food chain because we use guns/machines to kill animals to fight our way to the top. If you put a human in a cage with a lion/bear/etc with no weapons then you will see who is really the top of the food chain.

We are at the top of the food chain because of our superior intellect, which has invented weapons allowing us to kill larger animals and eat them.

All species should be equal. A cow should NOT have to live its whole life trapped it a horrible factory getting forcibly impregnated so you can drink nasty milk.

If all species should be equal, should any animal be allowed to eat another then? C'mon... It's survival of the fittest (or smartest). It's the law of the jungle, alive and well in the jungle and out of the jungle.

WOW okay well I have nothing else to say to you because you are beyond help. Okay so its okay to rape a animal (Forcibly impregnating something sounds like rape to me!) so you can drink milk meant for its child??? Some animals eat each other because some animals are carnivores, (Humans are NOT & don't need to be, plenty of protein/nutrients in veggies etc) they chase down the animal and kill it with their teeth/claws eat it raw thats nature, not going through a drive thru or buying a pounds of gross ground beef then cooking and seasoning it etc thats not nature. We are not cave people we don't hunt for our food, the animals don't have a fighting chance like in the wild, they are confined to filthy nasty factory's were they live out their short sad life's, then are inhumanely slaughtered. I really feel bad for people who have no sense of right or wrong or compassion for animals. You are no better then any animal they deserve to be happy and live free. They don't owe you anything they shouldn't have to suffer because people are awful. Ugh But I don't even know why I say anything because most people are to mean to care so whatever. Keep killing animals and torturing them because you have no conscience.

This post will probably get deleted, but here is my take on animal activists in general: If you live in a first world capitalist society, you're a murderer. You support military forces and economic policies that steal the bread from children's mouths all over the world, just so you can have a high standard of living. You support sweat shops and dictators and oil wars every day of your life. You're a murderer, and so am I. The fate of cattle shouldn't be the first thing on our minds when we're feeling compassionate.

Compared to all that, compared to all the starving people in this world, what's a baby cow in the balance?

Not that I want to get involved in this argument, but as someone who works on a farm as a living (sheep farm-though we don't milk the animals obviously, we do raise and sell them at sale barns-not necessarily for slaughter), I can say I take very good care of my animals. The rams and ewes that are here to stay come up to me and want me to pet them just like my dog does. They have more land to graze on then they know what to do with. When a lamb is born we have them stay in the barn for over a month with heat lamps to make sure they are taken care of. If someone is rough with my animals I do not allow it. We pay twice as much to have the sheep sheared because the guy that comes takes his time and is gentle with the animals. Not every farm is like the ones you see on the activist sites.

I think a family farm (small farm? not sure where you work,) probably treats their animals a lot better then some giant slaughter house does. I still wouldn't eat meat from a family farm because of my own beliefs but I am sure the animals are treated better and killed humanely. I have no problem with a family farm. If people want to eat me they should search out places like where you work. They shouldn't support the big factories that don't care about the animals well being or if they are diseased or full of hormones. I have no argument with you, you seem like you actually have a heart.

so where is this farm if I want to eat you?

Yep. We're on to discussing cannibalism. I knew it.

hey...she siad "if people want to eat me..." just rollin with her

I saw the typo. Great timing on your post, though! :laugh:

TheGlen

hey...she siad "if people want to eat me..." just rollin with her

I noticed that too, and was wondering if people would let it slide or not.

hollyeverhart

I have no problem with a family farm. If people want to eat me they should search out places like where you work. They shouldn't support the big factories that don't care about the animals well being or if they are diseased or full of hormones. I have no argument with you, you seem like you actually have a heart.

Plus your kids would end up better off being taught its not okay to kill a animal or torture them for food that you don't need.

Sorry I love animals. I am disgusted by the use of animals products.

I really feel bad for people who have no sense of right or wrong or compassion for animals. You are no better then any animal they deserve to be happy and live free. They don't owe you anything they shouldn't have to suffer because people are awful. Ugh But I don't even know why I say anything because most people are to mean to care so whatever. Keep killing animals and torturing them because you have no conscience.

I'm confused. Where do you draw the line? When/how is it okay to kill an animal, or drink it's milk?

In my opinion its never okay to kill a animal or use its milk. Almond milk is far better for you and no animals suffer to produce it. A cow in nature would only make milk for its young when its pregnant, in factories they are forcibly impregnate and have there calves taken away (if they are male they are turned to veal) (female are forced into the same life as a dairy cow/or meat) and they are milked for human consumption. I don't think it is right for humans to take something from a animal that is not meant for them. Its like animal slavery. They don't deserve to live sad painful lives that revolve around humans "needs" to drink milk eat meat whatever. If your family owns a farm, a chicken lays eggs, leaves them to rot, if you ate them I think thats kinda okay. I wouldn't just because I don't want to eat animal products... But thats better then supporting a dairy/egg farm that abuses their animals and kills them.

Bottom line I personally don't believe in using any animals products. ever.

xSophia19

I only drink milk with my cereal i have for breakfast. I try and keep it to skimmed milk and i only have 100ml of it. (yes i measure)

hollyeverhart

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

kmbrooks15

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

I think he was just trying to inject some humor into what has become a very heated discussion.

spade74

I do, but i drink 1% milk, less fat and cal

hollyeverhart

I drink soy milk. I think it tastes better and I am a vegan too

Thank god, for a second I thought I was the only vegan on mfp.

MaraDiaz

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

He was kidding, and he happened to catch the typo a couple of posts after I jokingly said cannibalism would be discussed next in this thread. Peace! :flowerforyou:

mom2my5sons

Milk is for children under the age of 6. If you are older than that and drinking milk you should probably rethink that.

huh?

CaptainGordo

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

I think they were exercising a sense of humor.

Dave198lbs

hey...she siad "if people want to eat me..." just rollin with her

I noticed that too, and was wondering if people would let it slide or not.

no sliding,,,besides...she looks tasty

hollyeverhart

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

I think he was just trying to inject some humor into what has become a very heated discussion.

I get that. It was funny. This is just a touchy subject for me. Plus I had a few margarita's at Pf Chang's with lunch so I'm a little riled up today... (they have a awesome vegan/vegetarian menu btw! one of the few place I can eat thats not plain and gross)

reese66

I just had a hamburger and a glass milk, hmm can we discuss Bacon now?

MaraDiaz

I have no problem with a family farm. If people want to eat me they should search out places like where you work. They shouldn't support the big factories that don't care about the animals well being or if they are diseased or full of hormones. I have no argument with you, you seem like you actually have a heart.

Plus your kids would end up better off being taught its not okay to kill a animal or torture them for food that you don't need.

Sorry I love animals. I am disgusted by the use of animals products.

I really feel bad for people who have no sense of right or wrong or compassion for animals. You are no better then any animal they deserve to be happy and live free. They don't owe you anything they shouldn't have to suffer because people are awful. Ugh But I don't even know why I say anything because most people are to mean to care so whatever. Keep killing animals and torturing them because you have no conscience.

I'm confused. Where do you draw the line? When/how is it okay to kill an animal, or drink it's milk?

In my opinion its never okay to kill a animal or use its milk. Almond milk is far better for you and no animals suffer to produce it. A cow in nature would only make milk for its young when its pregnant, in factories they are forcibly impregnate and have there calves taken away (if they are male they are turned to veal) (female are forced into the same life as a dairy cow/or meat) and they are milked for human consumption. I don't think it is right for humans to take something from a animal that is not meant for them. Its like animal slavery. They don't deserve to live sad painful lives that revolve around humans "needs" to drink milk eat meat whatever. If your family owns a farm, a chicken lays eggs, leaves them to rot, if you ate them I think thats kinda okay. I wouldn't just because I don't want to eat animal products... But thats better then supporting a dairy/egg farm that abuses their animals and kills them.

Bottom line I personally don't believe in using any animals products. ever.

I already know that when I get down closer to goal weight I'm going to try to return to a vegetarian diet and see if it works. It certainly doesn't work now, I was so sick when I tried it recently I could barely get out of bed. And I was still eating dairy, it wasn't even pure vegan. I don't think vegetarianism is good for everybody. We didn't evolve as vegetarians, we're omnivores, and there is even an argument that the reason we're so darn smart is because we hunted. It's also probably why we think we see in 3d, even though we really don't!

ilookthetype

I drink soy milk. I think it tastes better and I am a vegan too

Thank god, for a second I thought I was the only vegan on mfp.

Wow, vanity much? Maybe the other vegans are a little less obnoxious.

Also, did you really compare the dairy industry to slavery? Do you need a reminder of what REAL slavery looks like, ya know, people, CHILDREN, being abused and whatnot, or are they less important that the precious cows?

My grandparents owned a beef and dairy farm, they worked that farm and the cows were treated well, not everyone mistreats their animals. Don't be an obnoxious vegan, you give the rest a bad name.

Dave198lbs

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

it was with love and a wink my vegan friend...chill a bit

mamagooskie

I don't like milk and actually never ever have. nothing to do with it replacing my water or whatever, but I do love almond milk and soy milk and drink it several times daily (cereal, coffee, tea, etc)

Elzecat

Milk is for children under the age of 6. If you are older than that and drinking milk you should probably rethink that.

Pray tell... why?

Huh? If a person doesn't have lactose intolerance and fits it in to their daily calories...what's the problem?

I think based on the posted article that the point was most people are lactose intolerant and may not realize it (or may continue to consume dairy products despite the intolerance) because their symptoms aren't life threatening, merely uncomfortable or annoying.

Now, I'm of the opinion that if your body is annoying you, you've done something to it that it doesn't like. And who knows if down the road you could be creating a more severe problem for yourself by ignoring mild discomfort?

It happens I'm not lactose intolerant, though, not based on the listed symptoms. So hooray for me. Too bad I annoy my system with plenty of other things it doesn't like.

I'm not lactose intolerant. I've been drinking skim milk since I was about 12, when my mom started buying it. I don't drink as much "straight" milk as I used to when I was younger, but I like skim milk with chocolate syrup as an after workout recovery drink and I have milk in cereal almost daily...When I was in my 30s I had my bone density checked. I was told I had the bone density of an incredibly healthy 22 year old. Milk doesn't cause me digestive issues, and certainly hasn't hindered me in losing over 40 pounds and keeping them off. I'll keep doing what works for me, which I think is what people forget. If it doesn't work for you, fine...but don't berate people who chose a different path. It's great that we are all unique individual adults and can make choices for ourselves

To the poor OP whose head is probably spinning from all the tangents this thread has taken...if you like milk and are not lactose intolerant, why not?

bcattoes

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

I think he was just trying to inject some humor into what has become a very heated discussion.

And very off point, since the OP seemed to be asking about giving up milk in favor of water for hydration/weight loss. Since it didn't mention milk being inhumane or unhealthy, I assumed the question was mostly about the old "you must only drink plain water" nonsense.

IronmanPanda

kmbrooks15

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

I think he was just trying to inject some humor into what has become a very heated discussion.

I get that. It was funny. This is just a touchy subject for me. Plus I had a few margarita's at Pf Chang's with lunch so I'm a little riled up today... (they have a awesome vegan/vegetarian menu btw! one of the few place I can eat thats not plain and gross)

See, this is what puzzles me. You say you are vegan and can't stand the thought of animals suffering, but you'll eat at a restaurant that serves meat. I get that you aren't ordering meat yourself, but aren't you still supporting the practice by eating there?

HollieDoodles

I drink soy milk. I think it tastes better and I am a vegan too

Thank god, for a second I thought I was the only vegan on mfp.

Wow, vanity much? Maybe the other vegans are a little less obnoxious.

Also, did you really compare the dairy industry to slavery? Do you need a reminder of what REAL slavery looks like, ya know, people, CHILDREN, being abused and whatnot, or are they less important that the precious cows?

My grandparents owned a beef and dairy farm, they worked that farm and the cows were treated well, not everyone mistreats their animals. Don't be an obnoxious vegan, you give the rest a bad name.

Word!

I U!

MaraDiaz

Evolutionary theories on meat eating in humans:

Australopithecines like Lucy grew brains to our current size because meat let our digestive systems shrink, freeing up energy for a bigger brain. In fact, our brains are twice as large as they should be for a primate our size … and our digestive system is 60 percent smaller.

http://www.alsearsmd.com/missing-link-ate-meat/

writtenINthestars

Wow....some people take milk WAY too seriously...

rainunrefined

Milk is for children under the age of 6. If you are older than that and drinking milk you should probably rethink that.

wow.

loombeav

Are people really going to try and give me **** over a typo? Sorry. I don't proof read my mfp posts.

I think he was just trying to inject some humor into what has become a very heated discussion.

I get that. It was funny. This is just a touchy subject for me. Plus I had a few margarita's at Pf Chang's with lunch so I'm a little riled up today... (they have a awesome vegan/vegetarian menu btw! one of the few place I can eat thats not plain and gross)

See, this is what puzzles me. You say you are vegan and can't stand the thought of animals suffering, but you'll eat at a restaurant that serves meat. I get that you aren't ordering meat yourself, but aren't you still supporting the practice by eating there?

I already pointed this out, I don't get how she can so adamantly trash all of us uncaring, murderous meat eaters, but than go spend her money at restaurants that support the factories she hates so much.