Excited about Lance Armstrong!
WhoTheHellIsBen
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Seriously, I am glad he is coming out about doping! Now we can get a list of what he does and how he does it. This is the guy who even after cancer had lungs that processed oxygen better than a high school top athlete. Once the market and the underground gets a hold of that list you will see a flood of new products on the market to push you way past where you are now, bring it on!
Before you start whining about how horrible and a cheater Lance is, please keep in mind a few things. 1: I don't give a crap about your holier than thou stance. I know the people currently hating on home are all perfect people who have never cheated or lied in their life, but I don't care. 2: I can remember back in the day when Creatine was considered a performance enhancing drug that was under much debate, many people and groups called for it to be banned from all sports, now no one thinks twice about it. For the people who object, you can all stay in your caver afraid of the sun, and I'll be over here with Lance dancing around the bonfire.
Before you start whining about how horrible and a cheater Lance is, please keep in mind a few things. 1: I don't give a crap about your holier than thou stance. I know the people currently hating on home are all perfect people who have never cheated or lied in their life, but I don't care. 2: I can remember back in the day when Creatine was considered a performance enhancing drug that was under much debate, many people and groups called for it to be banned from all sports, now no one thinks twice about it. For the people who object, you can all stay in your caver afraid of the sun, and I'll be over here with Lance dancing around the bonfire.
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Not to mention the majority of his competitors are probably on gear as well
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What pisses me off about Lance Armstrong was his smug, holier-than-thou attitude the whole time he was cycling/doping. Keep in mind that he not only used PED's (which I could honestly care less about), but sued people for defamation, strong-armed and threatened those who exposed him, and accepted donations to his charity under false pretenses.
I don't so much think the "everyone else was doing it, so it's OK" really should apply. I think my parents taught me when I was 5 that this wasn't really the right attitude to have going through life.
Lance's "apology" is totally calculated and completely self-serving, and I hope the public doesn't forgive him for what he's done. If Lance was really apologetic, he'd donate the money he's made from cycling to charity, and not throw everyone else in his organization under the bus so he could compete earlier. Of course he's admitting to it now - he has nothing to lose now that his Tour titles have been revoked, his endorsements are gone, and even his OWN CHARITY has had to drop him as spokesman.
He is a pretty ****ty person, and not so much for the doping, but for how he handled the entire thing. I won't be watching the Oprah episode because (besides the fact Oprah annoys me) his "remorse" would probably make me throw up in my mouth.0 -
Once the market and the underground gets a hold of that list you will see a flood of new products on the market to push you way past where you are now
This was 7 years ago and before.
I imagine the stuff he was is on is ancient history in terms of PEDS, EPO was banned in 1990 he wasn't taking any wonder drugs that nobody had seen before.0 -
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This! I don't really get why they are illegal in the first place. How does something that ANYONE can get ahold of give you an unfair advantage? They aren't for me, but just saying if you want to whine about it not being fair then take them yourself and level the playing field.Not to mention the majority of his competitors are probably on gear as well
Sounds a lot like "no child left behind" if you ask me and look how that has dumbed down America.0 -
why would you want to put that stuff in your body?
I mean I dont care
I think if people want roids or chemicals to bulk up
we should just have a procedure for doctors to perscribe it
That way you get clean needles and know you are absolutely getting what you pay for.
Not trying to judge you but is body building your occupation? Does you income depend on your physique?
How do you even know what he put in his body? You've condemned something you know nothing about. If we are going to that level, why use lipator? Let's ban that too! Let's be honest, the average person with high cholesterol is overweight and eats like crap. Let's just write them a script that says buy some cheerio's and go for a walk fatty. Or how about Chantix? You are so weak you can't quit smoking, so here's a drug for it, oh, by the way, one possible side effect is suicide! I can keep going on this one forever.
Yeah, I'm totally sorry I want the stuff that makes me a world class athlete at 40+ years old. What the hell was I thinking ?0 -
^^This^^0 -
I am looking at this situation from every possible angle....and the only thing I can come up with is....
"Who Cares?"
I just do not see how this is even a story. Its not news....its history. Very boring, unimportant history.
Next......0 -
What pisses me off about Lance Armstrong was his smug, holier-than-thou attitude the whole time he was cycling/doping. Keep in mind that he not only used PED's (which I could honestly care less about), but sued people for defamation, strong-armed and threatened those who exposed him, and accepted donations to his charity under false pretenses.
I don't so much think the "everyone else was doing it, so it's OK" really should apply. I think my parents taught me when I was 5 that this wasn't really the right attitude to have going through life.
Lance's "apology" is totally calculated and completely self-serving, and I hope the public doesn't forgive him for what he's done. If Lance was really apologetic, he'd donate the money he's made from cycling to charity, and not throw everyone else in his organization under the bus so he could compete earlier. Of course he's admitting to it now - he has nothing to lose now that his Tour titles have been revoked, his endorsements are gone, and even his OWN CHARITY has had to drop him as spokesman.
He is a pretty ****ty person, and not so much for the doping, but for how he handled the entire thing. I won't be watching the Oprah episode because (besides the fact Oprah annoys me) his "remorse" would probably make me throw up in my mouth.
If you avoid charities that except donations under false pretenses I really hope you also avoid Susan G. Komen. It doesn't get much more dirty, filled with lies, and bullying than those people http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/WhoTheHellIsBen/view/cancer-the-big-business-to-keep-it-alive-463780 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh but wait, there's no media, facebook, uproar to tell you to hate them, nevermind, carry on0 -
why would you want to put that stuff in your body?
I mean I dont care
I think if people want roids or chemicals to bulk up
we should just have a procedure for doctors to perscribe it
That way you get clean needles and know you are absolutely getting what you pay for.
Not trying to judge you but is body building your occupation? Does you income depend on your physique?
People put things into their body because it is their choice. What one decides their physique to be shouldn't be dependent upon their occupation. Should a dentist not have good muscle definition just because his job doesn't require it for day to day needs? The one thing we all have control over in our lives is our bodies and what to do to them, put inside of it, etc.0 -
I wish he would have been honest about it before now. Regardless of whether he doped (heck, its rampant in cycling), he's still one of the greatest cyclists out there. His charity has done wonderful things and is one I will still support, whether he is attached to it or not.0
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Lance's "apology" is totally calculated and completely self-serving, and I hope the public doesn't forgive him for what he's done. If Lance was really apologetic, he'd donate the money he's made from cycling to charity, and not throw everyone else in his organization under the bus so he could compete earlier. Of course he's admitting to it now - he has nothing to lose now that his Tour titles have been revoked, his endorsements are gone, and even his OWN CHARITY has had to drop him as spokesman.
He is a pretty ****ty person, and not so much for the doping, but for how he handled the entire thing. I won't be watching the Oprah episode because (besides the fact Oprah annoys me) his "remorse" would probably make me throw up in my mouth.
THIS ^^ times 10.
If you want to be respected, earn it. Take ownership of your actions, take ownership of your organization, take responsibility for God's sake. That's just MAN 101. Actually, HUMAN 101. Grow up, Lance. Do what you want, but own that s***. Period.0 -
If you avoid charities that except donations under false pretenses I really hope you also avoid Susan G. Komen. It doesn't get much more dirty, filled with lies, and bullying than those people http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/WhoTheHellIsBen/view/cancer-the-big-business-to-keep-it-alive-463780 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh but wait, there's no media, facebook, uproar to tell you to hate them, nevermind, carry on
Actually, I am educated about what charities I donate to, and which ones "accept" donations under false pretenses. I don't donate to Susan G. Komen, nor do I have Facebook or really take much stock in the media. I think if you're the head of a major charitable organization, you owe your donees a bit of honesty. While I agree that individuals should research where they put their money, I think the way he behaved makes him a ****head.
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What's so hard to fathom? There were clear rules to the sport that he violated. Other cyclists that played by the rules were disadvantaged severely. Their careers as professional athletes, training and playing by the rules that were in place at that time, were jeopardized by cheating. The people here that say they could care less are more spectators than anything. They had/have no skin in the game, so what do they care?0
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This! I don't really get why they are illegal in the first place.Not to mention the majority of his competitors are probably on gear as well
Neither do I. If the public and general and other agencies headed by flat, sweaty blokes who probably couldn't pedal a pedalo could get passed their sanctimonious fauxtrage they might think "hmmm, this guy had testicular cancer which is supposed to decimate your system. He was doping. He also managed to win 7 Tours and compete at an exceptional level. Perhaps, just maybe it's worth investigating what he was using and doing to see if it can create viable drugs or methods which can be used for the benefit of all mankind?"
But nooooooo. Drugs are bad m'kay?0 -
I don't think he ever said "I'm sorry I doped." He never confessed to actually doing drugs.0
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I thought being an athlete was about what your body can do. Not what your body can do with drugs and enhancements. This forum is a losing battle considering it's poster is clearly someone who uses and supports the use of these drugs. He'll argue until he's dying from whatever mistakes he's put in his body.
I always loved Lance Armstrong but I despise liars. He lied and continued to lie throughout all of the mess he made. I don't care about his apology or how sympathetic he is now that he's lost everything.0 -
So I'm from Austin and I've met Lance a few times.. mostly at restraunts or his cycling events that he associated with.
I DO NOT care about what he put in his body or lied about. Personally, I think he's brave as heck to have battled cancer and keep riding. HOWEVER... HE IS A COMPLETE JERK!
He is by far one of the most self-centered people I have ever met. With that said, I know I'm going to get feedback about 'how can you say that- he's the founder of LiveStrong that fundraises money for others... etc.'
Yes, I was once a firm believer in him being a good guy. Until I saw him act like a self-centered celeb. who thinks the entire world revolves around him.
Mr. Armstrong.. you are completely OVER RATED! :frown:0 -
why would you want to put that stuff in your body?
I mean I dont care
I think if people want roids or chemicals to bulk up
we should just have a procedure for doctors to perscribe it
That way you get clean needles and know you are absolutely getting what you pay for.
Not trying to judge you but is body building your occupation? Does you income depend on your physique?
How do you even know what he put in his body? You've condemned something you know nothing about. If we are going to that level, why use lipator? Let's ban that too! Let's be honest, the average person with high cholesterol is overweight and eats like crap. Let's just write them a script that says buy some cheerio's and go for a walk fatty. Or how about Chantix? You are so weak you can't quit smoking, so here's a drug for it, oh, by the way, one possible side effect is suicide! I can keep going on this one forever.
Yeah, I'm totally sorry I want the stuff that makes me a world class athlete at 40+ years old. What the hell was I thinking ?
Because you said in your post dumb *kitten* that you want to use what he uses to get stong
I assume it is a chemical drug off some sort
maybe i am wrong maybe he just rubs steroids on his legs in the form of cream before a race?
As far as other drugs for quitting smoking and such did I not say in my post i am not aborred towards it?
To get it legal in some form so people wont hurt themselves doing it the wrong way?
I dont understand why you are being confrontational when I agreed with 99 percent of what you said?
Roid rage?
What's with the name calling? It's a different opinion than yours, yes. But calling his posterior a name doesn't strengthen your argument.
I have nothing to add here, will go back to lurking and not picking sides in the LA debate.0 -
What are you 12? I was with you until you decided that name-calling like a child would support your argument. Next.why would you want to put that stuff in your body?
I mean I dont care
I think if people want roids or chemicals to bulk up
we should just have a procedure for doctors to perscribe it
That way you get clean needles and know you are absolutely getting what you pay for.
Not trying to judge you but is body building your occupation? Does you income depend on your physique?
How do you even know what he put in his body? You've condemned something you know nothing about. If we are going to that level, why use lipator? Let's ban that too! Let's be honest, the average person with high cholesterol is overweight and eats like crap. Let's just write them a script that says buy some cheerio's and go for a walk fatty. Or how about Chantix? You are so weak you can't quit smoking, so here's a drug for it, oh, by the way, one possible side effect is suicide! I can keep going on this one forever.
Yeah, I'm totally sorry I want the stuff that makes me a world class athlete at 40+ years old. What the hell was I thinking ?
Because you said in your post dumb *kitten* that you want to use what he uses to get stong
I assume it is a chemical drug off some sort
maybe i am wrong maybe he just rubs steroids on his legs in the form of cream before a race?
As far as other drugs for quitting smoking and such did I not say in my post i am not aborred towards it?
To get it legal in some form so people wont hurt themselves doing it the wrong way?
I dont understand why you are being confrontational when I agreed with 99 percent of what you said?
Roid rage?0 -
why would you want to put that stuff in your body?
I mean I dont care
I think if people want roids or chemicals to bulk up
we should just have a procedure for doctors to perscribe it
That way you get clean needles and know you are absolutely getting what you pay for.
Not trying to judge you but is body building your occupation? Does you income depend on your physique?
How do you even know what he put in his body? You've condemned something you know nothing about. If we are going to that level, why use lipator? Let's ban that too! Let's be honest, the average person with high cholesterol is overweight and eats like crap. Let's just write them a script that says buy some cheerio's and go for a walk fatty. Or how about Chantix? You are so weak you can't quit smoking, so here's a drug for it, oh, by the way, one possible side effect is suicide! I can keep going on this one forever.
Yeah, I'm totally sorry I want the stuff that makes me a world class athlete at 40+ years old. What the hell was I thinking ?
Because you said in your post dumb *kitten* that you want to use what he uses to get stong
I assume it is a chemical drug off some sort
maybe i am wrong maybe he just rubs steroids on his legs in the form of cream before a race?
As far as other drugs for quitting smoking and such did I not say in my post i am not aborred towards it?
To get it legal in some form so people wont hurt themselves doing it the wrong way?
I dont understand why you are being confrontational when I agreed with 99 percent of what you said?
Roid rage?
Before calling someone a dumbass you should probably learn to read. I said a list of what he DOES and how he DOES it. Seriously, you even quoted me, the words I typed were less than an inch from the response you created, yet you still failed to get it right. He can DO 1000 squats a day, not USE 1000 squats a day. What he 'does' doesn't automatically mean straight drugs. I guess my Roid Rage trumps your public education.0 -
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why would you want to put that stuff in your body?
I mean I dont care
I think if people want roids or chemicals to bulk up
we should just have a procedure for doctors to perscribe it
That way you get clean needles and know you are absolutely getting what you pay for.
Not trying to judge you but is body building your occupation? Does you income depend on your physique?
How do you even know what he put in his body? You've condemned something you know nothing about. If we are going to that level, why use lipator? Let's ban that too! Let's be honest, the average person with high cholesterol is overweight and eats like crap. Let's just write them a script that says buy some cheerio's and go for a walk fatty. Or how about Chantix? You are so weak you can't quit smoking, so here's a drug for it, oh, by the way, one possible side effect is suicide! I can keep going on this one forever.
Yeah, I'm totally sorry I want the stuff that makes me a world class athlete at 40+ years old. What the hell was I thinking ?
Honestly I'd legalize every drug on the planet if it were up to me. I don't care what other adults do with their bodies as long as they don't do crazy stuff that endangers mine.
However, the rules of the sport forbade these drugs. He chose to compete in this sport and broke those rules, along with many others, no doubt while the money hungry sponsors and officials looked the other way whenever possible.
That is the issue at hand, not whether drugs are good or bad. He cheated. Lots of people did. Lots of people made money while turning a blind eye to what was going on. As was said in the other thread, that's typical when big money is involved.0 -
Who cares...everyone cheats, NO ONE is perfect! He'll always be a 7-time Tour de France winner to me...0
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The thing that I hate about Lance Armstrong is how he destroyed people who spoke against him and they were telling the truth! He should go to jail for perjury. Now he is finally admitting it and people will say "Aw Poor Lance - he had cancer so we must forgive him.
He was a bully and is not a nice person.
Gregg Lemond was a great cyclist back in the day and he didn't use performance enhancing drugs.0
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