Excited about Lance Armstrong!
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the other thing all the haters keep glossing over while stating how horrible performance enhancing drugs are is Creatine, nitric boosters, caffeine, Bcaa's, certain amino acids, even refined proteins are all performance enhancing drugs. At one point Creatine was almost outlawed from professional sports, now its a mainstay. Hate on peds all you want but at least do some homework and learn about what you are complaining about.
and all of you in the Cult of Armstrong keep glossing over the horrible things he did to other people in order to keep his secret. the lives he ruined, the careers he ruined etc...
again...the PEDs arent what most people dislike Armstrong for.
I think I have it now. You don't like LA! He is a meanie pants. That pro sports thing is such a rough and tumble world.
how can anyone like a guy like that? and what he did is not pro sports. most pros dont make it a mission to ruin people's lives. but i guess u Cult of Armstrong guys can look past all that right?
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the other thing all the haters keep glossing over while stating how horrible performance enhancing drugs are is Creatine, nitric boosters, caffeine, Bcaa's, certain amino acids, even refined proteins are all performance enhancing drugs. At one point Creatine was almost outlawed from professional sports, now its a mainstay. Hate on peds all you want but at least do some homework and learn about what you are complaining about.
and all of you in the Cult of Armstrong keep glossing over the horrible things he did to other people in order to keep his secret. the lives he ruined, the careers he ruined etc...
again...the PEDs arent what most people dislike Armstrong for.
I think I have it now. You don't like LA! He is a meanie pants. That pro sports thing is such a rough and tumble world.
how can anyone like a guy like that? and what he did is not pro sports. most pros dont make it a mission to ruin people's lives. but i guess u Cult of Armstrong guys can look past all that right?
*Donning black robe and lighting cult candle*
Yea, us Cult of Armstrong types. Look, I just don't care. Pro sports is a nasty business and we all know it. I have respect for the guy because of the cancer fight and his recovery. The fact that he doped just doesn't get me worked up and the fact that he went after people that wanted to play the "tell on your teammates and we will be easy on you" game doesn't really get me excited either. Like I said. Its not all huggy huggy out there. I don't know him personally and never will. I neither get too excited about sports "heros" nor get too upset at them either. I have a Livestrong T-shirt and I'll continue to wear it for as long as it will fit over my shoulders (which probably won't be long), probably as much because I get the occasional jack*** coming up to me asking "you know he doped, right?" as for any other reason. In fact, I've been wearing it more often lately. I occasionally wear my five fingers in public for a similar reason ("hey, man what's with those crazy shoes"). Its is close as I get to spectator sports though.0 -
well if you've noticed, which let's be honest, you haven't, I have yet to say anything about Lance's character good or bad. Why? Because I could care less. As the person who created this post I can safely say my interest is in what he was doing and how he was doing it.Anyone who isn't interested in how a cancer survivor can come back and compete well past what would be his athletic peak and still become the uni-balling (no not Unabomber) champion of theTour De France is absolutely ignorant. Find me a 40+ year old cancer survivor that's not on drugs that beat world class athlete's healthy and half his age in competition and I'll be the first to light a torch and head to Lance's house. Until then, take your clown shoes and go stand in the corner, you're getting in the way of progressthe other thing all the haters keep glossing over while stating how horrible performance enhancing drugs are is Creatine, nitric boosters, caffeine, Bcaa's, certain amino acids, even refined proteins are all performance enhancing drugs. At one point Creatine was almost outlawed from professional sports, now its a mainstay. Hate on peds all you want but at least do some homework and learn about what you are complaining about.
and all of you in the Cult of Armstrong keep glossing over the horrible things he did to other people in order to keep his secret. the lives he ruined, the careers he ruined etc...
again...the PEDs arent what most people dislike Armstrong for.
I think I have it now. You don't like LA! He is a meanie pants. That pro sports thing is such a rough and tumble world.
how can anyone like a guy like that? and what he did is not pro sports. most pros dont make it a mission to ruin people's lives. but i guess u Cult of Armstrong guys can look past all that right?0 -
well if you've noticed, which let's be honest, you haven't, I have yet to say anything about Lance's character good or bad. Why? Because I could care less. As the person who created this post I can safely say my interest is in what he was doing and how he was doing it.Anyone who isn't interested in how a cancer survivor can come back and compete well past what would be his athletic peak and still become the uni-balling (no not Unabomber) champion of theTour De France is absolutely ignorant. Find me a 40+ year old cancer survivor that's not on drugs that beat world class athlete's healthy and half his age in competition and I'll be the first to light a torch and head to Lance's house. Until then, take your clown shoes and go stand in the corner, you're getting in the way of progress
how much less do you think you could care? and what progress am i getting in the way of? LOL0 -
*Donning black robe and lighting cult candle*
Yea, us Cult of Armstrong types. Look, I just don't care. Pro sports is a nasty business and we all know it. I have respect for the guy because of the cancer fight and his recovery. The fact that he doped just doesn't get me worked up and the fact that he went after people that wanted to play the "tell on your teammates and we will be easy on you" game doesn't really get me excited either. Like I said. Its not all huggy huggy out there. I don't know him personally and never will. I neither get too excited about sports "heros" nor get too upset at them either. I have a Livestrong T-shirt and I'll continue to wear it for as long as it will fit over my shoulders (which probably won't be long), probably as much because I get the occasional jack*** coming up to me asking "you know he doped, right?" as for any other reason. In fact, I've been wearing it more often lately. I occasionally wear my five fingers in public for a similar reason ("hey, man what's with those crazy shoes"). Its is close as I get to spectator sports though.
i could definitely get on board with wearing a Livestrong tshirt to troll people. 0 -
*Donning black robe and lighting cult candle*
Yea, us Cult of Armstrong types. Look, I just don't care. Pro sports is a nasty business and we all know it. I have respect for the guy because of the cancer fight and his recovery. The fact that he doped just doesn't get me worked up and the fact that he went after people that wanted to play the "tell on your teammates and we will be easy on you" game doesn't really get me excited either. Like I said. Its not all huggy huggy out there. I don't know him personally and never will. I neither get too excited about sports "heros" nor get too upset at them either. I have a Livestrong T-shirt and I'll continue to wear it for as long as it will fit over my shoulders (which probably won't be long), probably as much because I get the occasional jack*** coming up to me asking "you know he doped, right?" as for any other reason. In fact, I've been wearing it more often lately. I occasionally wear my five fingers in public for a similar reason ("hey, man what's with those crazy shoes"). Its is close as I get to spectator sports though.
i could definitely get on board with wearing a Livestrong tshirt to troll people.
I'm not sure its actually trolling if there are things I respect about the guy, athough I do enjoy listening to rants.
Now, my "Meat Is Murder" shirt is an entirely different ballgame.0 -
the anti doping league are offering him a sentence reduction to his lifetime banned if Lance gives a sworn statement that he doped. Even if they brought it down to 10 years do they really think Lance would compete again? Financially it seems in his best interest not to do this.0
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And he still didn't come out all the way
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9803223/Oprah-Winfrey-Lance-Armstrong-did-not-come-clean-in-manner-I-expected.html0 -
And he still didn't come out all the way
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9803223/Oprah-Winfrey-Lance-Armstrong-did-not-come-clean-in-manner-I-expected.html
I guess we have to wait and see until Friday. In the end, I'm guessing he just wants to at least be able to continue triathlons.0 -
What pisses me off about Lance Armstrong was his smug, holier-than-thou attitude the whole time he was cycling/doping. Keep in mind that he not only used PED's (which I could honestly care less about), but sued people for defamation, strong-armed and threatened those who exposed him, and accepted donations to his charity under false pretenses.
I don't so much think the "everyone else was doing it, so it's OK" really should apply. I think my parents taught me when I was 5 that this wasn't really the right attitude to have going through life.
Lance's "apology" is totally calculated and completely self-serving, and I hope the public doesn't forgive him for what he's done. If Lance was really apologetic, he'd donate the money he's made from cycling to charity, and not throw everyone else in his organization under the bus so he could compete earlier. Of course he's admitting to it now - he has nothing to lose now that his Tour titles have been revoked, his endorsements are gone, and even his OWN CHARITY has had to drop him as spokesman.
He is a pretty ****ty person, and not so much for the doping, but for how he handled the entire thing. I won't be watching the Oprah episode because (besides the fact Oprah annoys me) his "remorse" would probably make me throw up in my mouth.
This^^^^^ Lance is nothing but another cheating, lying peice of s___.0 -
What pisses me off about Lance Armstrong was his smug, holier-than-thou attitude the whole time he was cycling/doping. Keep in mind that he not only used PED's (which I could honestly care less about), but sued people for defamation, strong-armed and threatened those who exposed him, and accepted donations to his charity under false pretenses.
I don't so much think the "everyone else was doing it, so it's OK" really should apply. I think my parents taught me when I was 5 that this wasn't really the right attitude to have going through life.
Lance's "apology" is totally calculated and completely self-serving, and I hope the public doesn't forgive him for what he's done. If Lance was really apologetic, he'd donate the money he's made from cycling to charity, and not throw everyone else in his organization under the bus so he could compete earlier. Of course he's admitting to it now - he has nothing to lose now that his Tour titles have been revoked, his endorsements are gone, and even his OWN CHARITY has had to drop him as spokesman.
He is a pretty ****ty person, and not so much for the doping, but for how he handled the entire thing. I won't be watching the Oprah episode because (besides the fact Oprah annoys me) his "remorse" would probably make me throw up in my mouth.
This^^^^^ Lance is nothing but another cheating, lying peice of s___.
Ah-Nuld and and the Hulk both won multiple bodybuilding championships while on steroids, and if you think the new crop of body builders like Jay Cutler are winning just because they are loaded up on Muscle Tech supplements you are absolutely insane. Multiple Tour de France riders use PEDs, just none as successful as Lance so we don't care. PED's are rampant in baseball as currently witnessed with this years failure to elect multiple players into the hall of fame due to their use of HgH. No doubt there are hundreds of other athlete's in pro sports that are on something, but they are not famous enough for us to care. Since the dawn of time athletes have looked for that winning edge because their career, their paycheck, their lively hood, all depend on their success. Even during Greek times, Olympic competitors looked for ways to out class their competition. For all of this, I don't care. I want to know what a cancer survivor who was way past his competitive peak was doing that allowed him to out perform people half his age who were in way better condition.
Instead of condemning him, hire him and his team to show science how to create a real life bionic man. It wouldn't be the first time we've done it. Pretty much every security feature on modern checks is created by one of the most famous check counterfeiters ever, most large technical companies and even the government hire hackers to attack their networks to make them safer, alarm companies hire thieves to break into houses to find weak spots. Put out the torches, admire the what was accomplished and then learn from it to improve quality of life0 -
Interesting perspective on the whole "He still is a great athlete" view
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/other/phooey-to-the-armstrong-myth-187079561.html0 -
PEDs or not, the key word is enhancing, he still had to work hard to get to where he was0
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Interesting perspective on the whole "He still is a great athlete" view
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/other/phooey-to-the-armstrong-myth-187079561.html
Meh, I say Phooey to that article as it fails to consider his age and cancer treatment. It essentially treats him as 27 year old healthy guy.0 -
He enhanced his way to #1. good for him :huh: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza would all be proud.0
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Seriously, I am glad he is coming out about doping! Now we can get a list of what he does and how he does it. This is the guy who even after cancer had lungs that processed oxygen better than a high school top athlete. Once the market and the underground gets a hold of that list you will see a flood of new products on the market to push you way past where you are now, bring it on!
Before you start whining about how horrible and a cheater Lance is, please keep in mind a few things. 1: I don't give a crap about your holier than thou stance. I know the people currently hating on home are all perfect people who have never cheated or lied in their life, but I don't care. 2: I can remember back in the day when Creatine was considered a performance enhancing drug that was under much debate, many people and groups called for it to be banned from all sports, now no one thinks twice about it. For the people who object, you can all stay in your caver afraid of the sun, and I'll be over here with Lance dancing around the bonfire.
Whatever he was on, I want a bucketful of the stuff to mainline before I run the Mum's race at my children's sports day this June :laugh: :drinker:0 -
Lance who???0
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This! I don't really get why they are illegal in the first place. How does something that ANYONE can get ahold of give you an unfair advantage? They aren't for me, but just saying if you want to whine about it not being fair then take them yourself and level the playing field.Not to mention the majority of his competitors are probably on gear as well
Sounds a lot like "no child left behind" if you ask me and look how that has dumbed down America.
Yes. This. Exactly.0 -
AGREED!0
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I guess you haven't done your research that many people who have high cholesterol have it because of genetics. I was 29, in top physical shape, eating well, and mine was 329. My DOCTOR told me that all the diet and exercise in the world would not bring down my cholesterol numbers to a good level. Thank you for your words of wisdom, your insults, and your sarcasm; but I think I will leave the medical diagnosis to the guy with the M.D.0
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I guess you haven't done your research that many people who have high cholesterol have it because of genetics. I was 29, in top physical shape, eating well, and mine was 329. My DOCTOR told me that all the diet and exercise in the world would not bring down my cholesterol numbers to a good level. Thank you for your words of wisdom, your insults, and your sarcasm; but I think I will leave the medical diagnosis to the guy with the M.D.
apparently 'the majority' and 'all' mean the same thing in your world, so that's cool, high five to ya. I'd love to get into a genetics argument with you and even source the M.D's that are in the practice I WORK FOR, but it's obvious reading is not your thing. Carry on!:flowerforyou:0 -
Read an exclusive leaked transcript of Lance's interview with Oprah right here:*
http://anthonycolpo.com/leaked-exclusive-read-oprahs-full-interview-with-lance-armstrong/
*not really
**warning - language
*** it is damn funny though0 -
Read an exclusive leaked transcript of Lance's interview with Oprah right here:*
http://anthonycolpo.com/leaked-exclusive-read-oprahs-full-interview-with-lance-armstrong/
*not really
**warning - language
*** it is damn funny though
This was pretty damn fun0 -
Armstrong has used lawsuits and threats and has ruined people financially for speaking the truth against him.
who could cheer for a guy like that?
using PEDs isnt why most people hate him.
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He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?
Look up the chemo drug Bleomycin. it does terrible things to your lungs, how do I know, I took it for three months...for the "cancer in my ball sac" I still wear a "do not give 100% Oxygen Road ID", because if I took it, my lungs would crystallise and fail. Congrats on the kid!
And the class on how to politely ***** slap someone is over. Thank you Professor.0 -
He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?
Look up the chemo drug Bleomycin. it does terrible things to your lungs, how do I know, I took it for three months...for the "cancer in my ball sac" I still wear a "do not give 100% Oxygen Road ID", because if I took it, my lungs would crystallise and fail. Congrats on the kid!
And the class on how to politely ***** slap someone is over. Thank you Professor.
one of my faves here0 -
Armstrong has used lawsuits and threats and has ruined people financially for speaking the truth against him.
who could cheer for a guy like that?
using PEDs isnt why most people hate him.
Word!
Except the point of this thread has ZERO to do with *why*, or even *if*, people hate Lance Armstrong. Please, if you want to comment on him as a person, start a thread on it! I suspect the general consensus is correct, that he truly is a dbag of epic proportions.
However, this thread is about *what* he did and *how* he did it. A relatively old guy did things that allowed him to beat younger guys (many of whom were also doing similar things). Part of this is likely because of the things he took, part is because of the training he did, and part is because of who he is. The focus here is on the things he took (and, I think, the things he did, but I'm being lazy and not actually clicking back to OP).
Take a moment and forget all that you know/have heard about him as a person and instead consider what he was able to do. I think it's worth considering.0 -
He was able to win seven titles by cheating.Armstrong has used lawsuits and threats and has ruined people financially for speaking the truth against him.
who could cheer for a guy like that?
using PEDs isnt why most people hate him.
Word!
Except the point of this thread has ZERO to do with *why*, or even *if*, people hate Lance Armstrong. Please, if you want to comment on him as a person, start a thread on it! I suspect the general consensus is correct, that he truly is a dbag of epic proportions.
However, this thread is about *what* he did and *how* he did it. A relatively old guy did things that allowed him to beat younger guys (many of whom were also doing similar things). Part of this is likely because of the things he took, part is because of the training he did, and part is because of who he is. The focus here is on the things he took (and, I think, the things he did, but I'm being lazy and not actually clicking back to OP).
Take a moment and forget all that you know/have heard about him as a person and instead consider what he was able to do. I think it's worth considering.
Forgive me for being unimpressed.
The REAL champ in those races are the guys who placed, 5th, 12th or 25th without cheating.0 -
He was able to win seven titles by cheating.Armstrong has used lawsuits and threats and has ruined people financially for speaking the truth against him.
who could cheer for a guy like that?
using PEDs isnt why most people hate him.
Word!
Except the point of this thread has ZERO to do with *why*, or even *if*, people hate Lance Armstrong. Please, if you want to comment on him as a person, start a thread on it! I suspect the general consensus is correct, that he truly is a dbag of epic proportions.
However, this thread is about *what* he did and *how* he did it. A relatively old guy did things that allowed him to beat younger guys (many of whom were also doing similar things). Part of this is likely because of the things he took, part is because of the training he did, and part is because of who he is. The focus here is on the things he took (and, I think, the things he did, but I'm being lazy and not actually clicking back to OP).
Take a moment and forget all that you know/have heard about him as a person and instead consider what he was able to do. I think it's worth considering.
Forgive me for being unimpressed.
The REAL champ in those races are the guys who placed, 5th, 12th or 25th without cheating.
I'll bet you that silly little car you're leaning on that if they put the 5th, 12th, 25th, and all other finishers in between under a more detailed microscope they would find they all were doing something as well. Once again, I don't care about a goofy bike race as I can safely say, no one else on this thread does either. I still have yet to hear anyone talk about how they have watched the Tour de france for years and now feel cheated. It's just a bunch of people hopping on the 'Hatin' on Lance' wagon. As I have stated many times in this post, and many of you have missed because let's be honest, reading is not your thing, I want to know what he did and how he did it. Anyone who believes Lance is the only guy in the tour cheating is crazier than Charles Manson eating froot loops, but he is the most successful at it.0 -
The most sucessful cheater is STILL a cheater.
He was able to win seven titles by cheating.Armstrong has used lawsuits and threats and has ruined people financially for speaking the truth against him.
who could cheer for a guy like that?
using PEDs isnt why most people hate him.
Word!
Except the point of this thread has ZERO to do with *why*, or even *if*, people hate Lance Armstrong. Please, if you want to comment on him as a person, start a thread on it! I suspect the general consensus is correct, that he truly is a dbag of epic proportions.
However, this thread is about *what* he did and *how* he did it. A relatively old guy did things that allowed him to beat younger guys (many of whom were also doing similar things). Part of this is likely because of the things he took, part is because of the training he did, and part is because of who he is. The focus here is on the things he took (and, I think, the things he did, but I'm being lazy and not actually clicking back to OP).
Take a moment and forget all that you know/have heard about him as a person and instead consider what he was able to do. I think it's worth considering.
Forgive me for being unimpressed.
The REAL champ in those races are the guys who placed, 5th, 12th or 25th without cheating.
I'll bet you that silly little car you're leaning on that if they put the 5th, 12th, 25th, and all other finishers in between under a more detailed microscope they would find they all were doing something as well. Once again, I don't care about a goofy bike race as I can safely say, no one else on this thread does either. I still have yet to hear anyone talk about how they have watched the Tour de france for years and now feel cheated. It's just a bunch of people hopping on the 'Hatin' on Lance' wagon. As I have stated many times in this post, and many of you have missed because let's be honest, reading is not your thing, I want to know what he did and how he did it. Anyone who believes Lance is the only guy in the tour cheating is crazier than Charles Manson eating froot loops, but he is the most successful at it.
That is like a husband cheating on his wife but only cheating with supermodels.
HE IS STILL A CHEATER.
Even if all of his workmates are also cheaters, HE IS STILL A CHEATER.
I could personally care less about bike racing. Lance Armstrong attempted to pass himself off as something he wasn't.
Ok.. So he was the most sucessful cheater? Great. so he cheats better then anyone else. Well, maybe not because he GOT CAUGHT.
And as far as my "silly little car" is concerned, win or lose, at least I never cheated in a race.0
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