Excited about Lance Armstrong!
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In on another Lance Armstrong thread. should end up being 50 pages long
The dude was one hell of an athlete. maybe not the most honest person, but I'd lie too if it kept me out of jail, and helped me avoid lawsuits from my sponsors. To all of his ex fans who are upset that he lied about taking drugs, it's your own fault for being delusional and thinking your favorite pro athletes are natural. It should be understood.0 -
In on another Lance Armstrong thread. should end up being 50 pages long
The dude was one hell of an athlete. maybe not the most honest person, but I'd lie to if it kept me out of jail, and helped me avoid lawsuits from my sponsors. To all of his ex fans who are upset that he lied about taking drugs, it's your own fault for being delusional and thinking your favorite pro athletes are natural. It should be understood.
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I'll ask again because I think it might have been missed.
Do you feel that PED serve as a tool to restore competitive equality?0 -
In on another Lance Armstrong thread. should end up being 50 pages long
The dude was one hell of an athlete. maybe not the most honest person, but I'd lie too if it kept me out of jail, and helped me avoid lawsuits from my sponsors. To all of his ex fans who are upset that he lied about taking drugs, it's your own fault for being delusional and thinking your favorite pro athletes are natural. It should be understood.
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Back when Stallone was filming the last Rambo he go busted heading into Australia with 6 months worth of HgH. The media became their usual foaming frenzy in the hopes of getting another huge star to say sorry and beg for forgiveness. Don't remember this story? It's because when Stallone was approached on this his response was that he loved HgH, it needs to be legal, everyone over 40 should be using it. The media freaked the hell out and buried the story as quick as possible. The only reason why anyone cares at all is because Lance denied it for so long. I'd say less than 1% of everyone whining about feeling betrayed have even watched a single tour de france0
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I feel bad for all the non doping athletes who competed against him all those years.
Livestrong... more like Cheatstrong. Jerk.0 -
Totes srs.In on another Lance Armstrong thread. should end up being 50 pages long
The dude was one hell of an athlete. maybe not the most honest person, but I'd lie too if it kept me out of jail, and helped me avoid lawsuits from my sponsors. To all of his ex fans who are upset that he lied about taking drugs, it's your own fault for being delusional and thinking your favorite pro athletes are natural. It should be understood.
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I'll ask again because I think it might have been missed.
Do you feel that PED serve as a tool to restore competitive equality?
If the average person took steroids then sat around and watched TV all day they would still be a fat bloated mess with nothing to show for it. Now if you take steroids, craft your diet to perfection, train hard for hours a day, you can become a beast. Moral of the story, drugs are still just a supplement, a tool if you will, you still need to put in the hard work. That is the same for ANY PED.0 -
I feel bad for all the non doping athletes who competed against him all those years.
Livestrong... more like Cheatstrong. Jerk.
Out of curiosity, which completely clean cyclists are you referring to ?0 -
I'd rather be intelligent than have big muscles. Just saying.0
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whose to know if what he did caused his cancer?0
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Many athletes in the sports are believed to have been doping...they just don't like Lance because he's american succeeding in a sport usually dominated by other countries
Yes, it's because he's American.
Like Alberto Contador...0 -
I'll ask again because I think it might have been missed.
Do you feel that PED serve as a tool to restore competitive equality?
If the average person took steroids then sat around and watched TV all day they would still be a fat bloated mess with nothing to show for it. Now if you take steroids, craft your diet to perfection, train hard for hours a day, you can become a beast. Moral of the story, drugs are still just a supplement, a tool if you will, you still need to put in the hard work. That is the same for ANY PED.
I wasn't referring to the average Joe. I was asking in reference to those using them as an aid in competitive performance.
Its no secret that PED's are used in professional sports. And have been for decades. My question is, do you think they should they be used to level the playing field in competetive sports?0 -
<snip>Let's be honest, the average person with high cholesterol is overweight and eats like crap. Let's just write them a script that says buy some cheerio's and go for a walk fatty.
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I'd rather be intelligent than have big muscles. Just saying.
Contrary to the Planet Fitness commercials you apparently are basing this logic on, you can in fact have both.0 -
Eh. I don't think it makes a bit of difference. He took ENHANCEMENT drugs, but the talent had to be there from the get go. It doesn't magically make you able to do things you couldn't before. Same with baseball players, swimmers, ect. I think if someone wants to take those things and compete, they honestly should be able to. The people who are saying he ruined lives...haha. So over dramatic. Who's life was ruined because he took enhancement drugs?0
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I feel bad for all the non doping athletes who competed against him all those years.
Livestrong... more like Cheatstrong. Jerk.
All 3 of them.0 -
What pisses me off about Lance Armstrong was his smug, holier-than-thou attitude the whole time he was cycling/doping. Keep in mind that he not only used PED's (which I could honestly care less about), but sued people for defamation, strong-armed and threatened those who exposed him, and accepted donations to his charity under false pretenses.
I don't so much think the "everyone else was doing it, so it's OK" really should apply. I think my parents taught me when I was 5 that this wasn't really the right attitude to have going through life.
Lance's "apology" is totally calculated and completely self-serving, and I hope the public doesn't forgive him for what he's done. If Lance was really apologetic, he'd donate the money he's made from cycling to charity, and not throw everyone else in his organization under the bus so he could compete earlier. Of course he's admitting to it now - he has nothing to lose now that his Tour titles have been revoked, his endorsements are gone, and even his OWN CHARITY has had to drop him as spokesman.
He is a pretty ****ty person, and not so much for the doping, but for how he handled the entire thing. I won't be watching the Oprah episode because (besides the fact Oprah annoys me) his "remorse" would probably make me throw up in my mouth.
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What pisses me off about Lance Armstrong was his smug, holier-than-thou attitude the whole time he was cycling/doping. Keep in mind that he not only used PED's (which I could honestly care less about), but sued people for defamation, strong-armed and threatened those who exposed him, and accepted donations to his charity under false pretenses.
I don't so much think the "everyone else was doing it, so it's OK" really should apply. I think my parents taught me when I was 5 that this wasn't really the right attitude to have going through life.
Lance's "apology" is totally calculated and completely self-serving, and I hope the public doesn't forgive him for what he's done. If Lance was really apologetic, he'd donate the money he's made from cycling to charity, and not throw everyone else in his organization under the bus so he could compete earlier. Of course he's admitting to it now - he has nothing to lose now that his Tour titles have been revoked, his endorsements are gone, and even his OWN CHARITY has had to drop him as spokesman.
He is a pretty ****ty person, and not so much for the doping, but for how he handled the entire thing. I won't be watching the Oprah episode because (besides the fact Oprah annoys me) his "remorse" would probably make me throw up in my mouth.
Let me first adress his attutude, when i was going through my chemo, Lance took the time to send me and autographed copy of book, as well as phone call. 10 years later when i was on my second tour in Iraq, and he was making the rounds on his Tour to Iraq and Afghanistan, he altered a trip so we could meet...pretty smug.
You think he should donate his winning from cycling to charity? He doubled his winnings from each race and dividied it among the team, who he recognized got him to the finish line. If you are talking endorsements, think the yellow wristband, all proceeds to charity.
His own charity had to drop him... try again, he stepped down because he saw the writing on the wall and did not want to drag LiveStrong through this.
It's not about the bike, never has been, never will be. it is about the 28 million affected by cancer (like me) who have benefitted from his philantropic and fundraising efforts!
I for one am glad he motivated me to quit feeling sorry for myself, get up run a marathon, compete in triathlons and continue to push myself further.
I am very disappointed in this, don't get me wrong. There's no way to lessen the sting, but it's ok to be let down by those we admire. It's proof that we are all imperfect beings. Self worth, forgiveness and hope are intertwined and come from above, not from mankind.0 -
Judging by how many people even care about this story, I'd say not.0
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HOWEVER... HE IS A COMPLETE JERK!
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Mr. Armstrong.. you are completely OVER RATED! :frown:
^^ THIS TOO!
He can do all the dope in the world, or none of it. He's still a jerk.0 -
I feel bad for all the non doping athletes who competed against him all those years.
Livestrong... more like Cheatstrong. Jerk.
All 3 of them.
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He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?This is the guy who even after cancer had lungs that processed oxygen better than a high school top athlete. 0 -
Imagine if the rules changed in sports, and there were no longer any "illegal" substances .... Whatever you want to do to your body to get ready for the race is up to you... And may the best... Or most jacked up win...
If you drop dead in a few years from too many steroids... That was your choice, your responsibility....
Or perhaps two levels of sports... Sort of like pro and armature...
It would be the clean Olympics and the dirty.... Room for everyone...0 -
If you avoid charities that except donations under false pretenses I really hope you also avoid Susan G. Komen. It doesn't get much more dirty, filled with lies, and bullying than those people http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/WhoTheHellIsBen/view/cancer-the-big-business-to-keep-it-alive-463780 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh but wait, there's no media, facebook, uproar to tell you to hate them, nevermind, carry on
Actually, there was quite the social media uproar about it. People were super pissed about all of the copyright **** she was claiming on using the term "cure." I know a lot of people who don't support that charity anymore, and have found more ethical charities to support.0 -
I don't care what they say about Lance. He earned all the awards and metals to received. People just want to pull him down from his achievements. He is and always will be a great cyclist.
I like that the one person who's met him in this thread called him a total jerk. :laugh:
No one is saying he has a great personality. Maybe if he starts taking 5-HTP so he can be a nicer human, then we can start blasting him for that and negate any positive impact his new personality could have.
I've always admired him as an athlete and someone who definitely pushes himself and works hard (while disliking his personality). Yes, he took PEDs and now is finally admitting it. Good, the world can continue to turn. But looking at the rest of the field, he was obviously not alone. I'll be willing to bet that if no one took PEDs in cycling, he would have still won 7 times.0 -
What's with bashing Livestrong?
The organization puts a LOT of money into cancer research, helps a lot of kids with cancer, and is a good source for people with cancer who are trying to get and/or stay fit. How has that changed?
So you think the guy's an *kitten*. So you disagree with the drugging. So you wouldn't date him because he was awful to his wife. But the organization has done a whole lot of good. Those dollars that were raised by it were used for good. That has been completely lost in all the LA hate.0 -
What pisses me off about Lance Armstrong was his smug, holier-than-thou attitude the whole time he was cycling/doping. Keep in mind that he not only used PED's (which I could honestly care less about), but sued people for defamation, strong-armed and threatened those who exposed him, and accepted donations to his charity under false pretenses.
I don't so much think the "everyone else was doing it, so it's OK" really should apply. I think my parents taught me when I was 5 that this wasn't really the right attitude to have going through life.
Lance's "apology" is totally calculated and completely self-serving, and I hope the public doesn't forgive him for what he's done. If Lance was really apologetic, he'd donate the money he's made from cycling to charity, and not throw everyone else in his organization under the bus so he could compete earlier. Of course he's admitting to it now - he has nothing to lose now that his Tour titles have been revoked, his endorsements are gone, and even his OWN CHARITY has had to drop him as spokesman.
He is a pretty ****ty person, and not so much for the doping, but for how he handled the entire thing. I won't be watching the Oprah episode because (besides the fact Oprah annoys me) his "remorse" would probably make me throw up in my mouth.
Let me first adress his attutude, when i was going through my chemo, Lance took the time to send me and autographed copy of book, as well as phone call. 10 years later when i was on my second tour in Iraq, and he was making the rounds on his Tour to Iraq and Afghanistan, he altered a trip so we could meet...pretty smug.
You think he should donate his winning from cycling to charity? He doubled his winnings from each race and dividied it among the team, who he recognized got him to the finish line. If you are talking endorsements, think the yellow wristband, all proceeds to charity.
His own charity had to drop him... try again, he stepped down because he saw the writing on the wall and did not want to drag LiveStrong through this.
It's not about the bike, never has been, never will be. it is about the 28 million affected by cancer (like me) who have benefitted from his philantropic and fundraising efforts!
I for one am glad he motivated me to quit feeling sorry for myself, get up run a marathon, compete in triathlons and continue to push myself further.
I am very disappointed in this, don't get me wrong. There's no way to lessen the sting, but it's ok to be let down by those we admire. It's proof that we are all imperfect beings. Self worth, forgiveness and hope are intertwined and come from above, not from mankind.
Logic...I like it!...cheers to you :drinker:0 -
I'd rather be intelligent than have big muscles. Just saying.
Contrary to the Planet Fitness commercials you apparently are basing this logic on, you can in fact have both.
This. I know tons of very knowledgable, intelligent lifters and athletes who use steroids.
They don't have a negative effect on your cognitive abilities.
It's nothing more than a choice of how far you want to excel in your sport and what you're willing to do to be the best.
It's got nothing to do with being dumb.0 -
Armstrong has used lawsuits and threats and has ruined people financially for speaking the truth against him.
who could cheer for a guy like that?
using PEDs isnt why most people hate him.0
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