Meat eater, vegetarian or vegan?? Which are you?

I eat some meat - mostly chicken and fish. Definitely not a vegan

Lots of people on this board appear to just want to feel good about their bad choices. They don't actually want to learn anything. Fine. I just hope Obamacare gets crushed along with medicare and medicaid so that I don't have to end up paying for your bad choices. You can do what you want. And you can pay for the consequences as well.

Preaching doesn't do anything but put people off.

If you don't like preaching, don't go to church. This is a thread about dietary choices, and if you don't want to discuss them, you're in the wrong place.

You are the one who is preaching here. My dietary choices are not your business but you seem to think it is. Not everything is about you, and you can't control what other people do with their lives.

Again, if your dietary choices are not my business, then why the Hell are you on a public forum talking about them?

There are other people in this thread besides you. This is not a thread about judging what others do with their lives. It's a freaking question. Are you a troll or just a jerk?
We are having a discussion. You seem to think it's an invitation to tell other people what they should and should not do. This is not a socially normal thing to do and will not earn you any respect.

Exactly what kind of discussion about diets doesn't involve talking about the relative merits of different diets? And who are you to call people jerks? Ever do any research on diets? Or on anything?

I'm seeing a bit of a negative vegan/vegetarian conversation going on... but just to add my views, i'm vegan (been vegetarian since birth, vegan for over 3 years) and happy! I make sure to try and hit all of my goals (calories, protein, vitamin B12, calcium, as well as taking iron supplements)- I believe that a lot of vegans, in fact most vegans, are more healthy than those who eat meat (more referring to those not on MFP!) because living the vegan lifestyle makes you aware of what you're eating and what your choices are.
I've never been a militant vegan, and don't want to be. I get a little frustrated when I have non vegan friends waving chicken wings about in my face saying 'go on eat it!' or being told that people can't stand listening to vegan 'propaganda' when us vegans are surrounded by meat and dairy... I went shopping in a real supermarket for the first time in a long time (I normally get my food shop delivered) and there are just aisles after aisles of meat, fish, dairy.
I also don't like people who say things like 'humans are supposed to eat meat, because of -insert popular wrong belief here- 'just eat some steak' 'but bacon tastes so good' blah blah blah. It's plain disrespectful. For me, being vegan isn't a taste based decision!
However I do LOVE people who are interested in finding out about veganism... I turned vegan when I was 16 and had a lot of people who thought I was 'weird' or 'stupid' at college for doing it. However I appreciate when people want to educate themselves about why i'm vegan or learn about vegan products- if meat eaters take the time to just check out some documentaries (like Earthlings!), or read an article about it, then they're becoming more informed of the facts (because it is fact based, not opinion based). I'm not asking everyone in the world to go vegan, just to be open minded about it (:

Also, vegan food can be SO good. My boyfriend eats meat and loves a lot of the food I make.

edit: sorry for such a long post!

Why do you care so much about what other people eat? As long as it's not your pet or your relative leave them the **** alone.

Again, if people do not want to talk about dietary choices why are they on a board entitled "Meat eater, Vegetarian or Vegan?"

If you don't want to read studies about how to prevent chronic illnesses, and not be fat or have diabetes, why are you not open to reading academic studies?

The only think I can believe is that you just want to feel good about what you eat, no matter how bad your diet is.

Lots of people on this board appear to just want to feel good about their bad choices. They don't actually want to learn anything. Fine. I just hope Obamacare gets crushed along with medicare and medicaid so that I don't have to end up paying for your bad choices. You can do what you want. And you can pay for the consequences as well.

Vegans have the same life expectancy and risk of disease as omnivores.

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That is pure crap! Cite some studies that even come close to saying that! You can't because your head is too far up to know what you aere talking about.

There are plenty of studies that say the opposite. I can give you cites if you want, but you probably aren't able to read them and understand them. So here is a small overview:

:People who eat meat are more likely to have higher cholesterol because cholesterol is only present in animal-based foods, including meat, eggs and dairy products. High cholesterol can increase your chances of developing heart disease, which can, of course, shorten your life span. According to a 2006 article in "Life Extension" magazine, eating meat can also increase the risk of developing certain cancers, such as colon cancer, as well as kidney stones and gallstones.

Meat Consumption

A 2003 report published in the "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" analyzed six different studies to try to establish whether vegetarians live longer. The report found that low meat consumption decreases risk of death and increases life expectancy. In fact, research shows that reducing meat consumption can increase your life span by 3.6 years. The same report showed that societies with plant-based diets are more likely to live past 70 years of age."
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Your pseudoscientific rambling and cherry picked (and misinterpreted) data isn't fooling anybody, just like it hasn't fooled anybody every other time you've gone on and on with your condescending preachiness.

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No, I can't fool the idiots, because they know better. Of course everyone knows that the Journal of the British Heart Association, the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Science and Nature are just pseudo scientific journals. Right.

I sure can't fool you clever ones!
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As for what I'm doing here, if you'd actually bother to read the thread before spouting your nonsense you'd know I've already spoken about my dietary choices. Anyway, do us all a favor, and drop the ridiculously childish passive aggressive behavior, it's really quite pathetic.

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Just like your anti-scientific babblings.
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