Excited about Lance Armstrong!
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EPO killed dozens of young professionals in the 90s is human growth hormone safe to use? Ricardo Ricco nearly killed himself re-infusing his own blood he hadn't kept refridgerated well enough. I coach kids to race in cycling and they look up to people like this. i also know lots of classy riders who turned their back on the sport because they didn't want to cheat or damage their health and others who nearly made it but had to concede defeat to the cheats.0
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If you avoid charities that except donations under false pretenses I really hope you also avoid Susan G. Komen. It doesn't get much more dirty, filled with lies, and bullying than those people http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/WhoTheHellIsBen/view/cancer-the-big-business-to-keep-it-alive-463780 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh but wait, there's no media, facebook, uproar to tell you to hate them, nevermind, carry on
Actually, there was quite the social media uproar about it. People were super pissed about all of the copyright **** she was claiming on using the term "cure." I know a lot of people who don't support that charity anymore, and have found more ethical charities to support.
The uproar you speak of, lasted a few days, and was only over the frivolous lawsuits. This and many other charities should have been dropped years ago for their day to day practices, not because one day the media said they were bad.0 -
What pisses me off about Lance Armstrong was his smug, holier-than-thou attitude the whole time he was cycling/doping. Keep in mind that he not only used PED's (which I could honestly care less about), but sued people for defamation, strong-armed and threatened those who exposed him, and accepted donations to his charity under false pretenses.
I don't so much think the "everyone else was doing it, so it's OK" really should apply. I think my parents taught me when I was 5 that this wasn't really the right attitude to have going through life.
Lance's "apology" is totally calculated and completely self-serving, and I hope the public doesn't forgive him for what he's done. If Lance was really apologetic, he'd donate the money he's made from cycling to charity, and not throw everyone else in his organization under the bus so he could compete earlier. Of course he's admitting to it now - he has nothing to lose now that his Tour titles have been revoked, his endorsements are gone, and even his OWN CHARITY has had to drop him as spokesman.
He is a pretty ****ty person, and not so much for the doping, but for how he handled the entire thing. I won't be watching the Oprah episode because (besides the fact Oprah annoys me) his "remorse" would probably make me throw up in my mouth.
Here here!0 -
Judging by how many people even care about this story, I'd say not.
You cared enough to come in here and post so should we call you Pot or Kettle?0 -
That is why he was a professional athlete, and most of us are not.
It's nothing more than a choice of how far you want to excel in your sport and what you're willing to do to be the best.
It's got nothing to do with being dumb.0 -
I don't care what they say about Lance. He earned all the awards and metals to received. People just want to pull him down from his achievements. He is and always will be a great cyclist.
I like that the one person who's met him in this thread called him a total jerk. :laugh:
He guest rode RAGBRAI a couple of years ago - this kid, maybe twelve, gave a 120% to catch up to the group and Lance opened up a slot for the kid to ride in for a couple of miles. Lance did a lot of good things - but sportsmanship, honesty and fairness were not part of it. His treatment of other riders went from fair to **** on and off the bike.
The whole "he's hated because he's American" is just silly. There are hundreds of cyclists that have been disqualified due to doping, he got lucky he got that far, and his scare tactics were pretty good.
As to the list of products - its pretty well known.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling0 -
Seriously, I am glad he is coming out about doping! Now we can get a list of what he does and how he does it. This is the guy who even after cancer had lungs that processed oxygen better than a high school top athlete. Once the market and the underground gets a hold of that list you will see a flood of new products on the market to push you way past where you are now, bring it on!
Before you start whining about how horrible and a cheater Lance is, please keep in mind a few things. 1: I don't give a crap about your holier than thou stance. I know the people currently hating on home are all perfect people who have never cheated or lied in their life, but I don't care. 2: I can remember back in the day when Creatine was considered a performance enhancing drug that was under much debate, many people and groups called for it to be banned from all sports, now no one thinks twice about it. For the people who object, you can all stay in your caver afraid of the sun, and I'll be over here with Lance dancing around the bonfire.
so true.... you know what he still had to win the race... so a drug helped- is it fair or clever to find something that works?... you mean others would use it to if they knew what it was... i say let it be open and may the body that uses it win... you still need to be human and win... how much can enhancement drug do... the human still has the determination and push to go with the drug... seriously people cheat and lie in everyday living why wouldnt it happen in sports too... people love to complain.....0 -
I'd rather be intelligent than have big muscles. Just saying.
Are the two mutually exclusive? I want big muscles and am also currently working on my Masters and have been thought of by my peers and professors and a relatively intilligent human. I wasn't aware I wasn't allowed both options.0 -
He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?
Look up the chemo drug Bleomycin. it does terrible things to your lungs, how do I know, I took it for three months...for the "cancer in my ball sac" I still wear a "do not give 100% Oxygen Road ID", because if I took it, my lungs would crystallise and fail. Congrats on the kid!0 -
I don't care what they say about Lance. He earned all the awards and metals to received. People just want to pull him down from his achievements. He is and always will be a great cyclist.
I like that the one person who's met him in this thread called him a total jerk. :laugh:
No one is saying he has a great personality. Maybe if he starts taking 5-HTP so he can be a nicer human, then we can start blasting him for that and negate any positive impact his new personality could have.
I've always admired him as an athlete and someone who definitely pushes himself and works hard (while disliking his personality). Yes, he took PEDs and now is finally admitting it. Good, the world can continue to turn. But looking at the rest of the field, he was obviously not alone. I'll be willing to bet that if no one took PEDs in cycling, he would have still won 7 times.
?? I've taken 5-HTP and I'm not a nicer human. I have no idea what you were getting at. And we will never know if he would have won or not... That's like saying I bet I would win at synchronized swimming at the Olympics, had I ever trained for it.0 -
I'd rather be intelligent than have big muscles. Just saying.
Are the two mutually exclusive? I want big muscles and am also currently working on my Masters and have been thought of by my peers and professors and a relatively intilligent human. I wasn't aware I wasn't allowed both options.
Huge muscles, check! Higher education than a silly NJ teacher who stereotypes, double check
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Jim Stoppani
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jim-stoppani.htm0 -
He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?This is the guy who even after cancer had lungs that processed oxygen better than a high school top athlete.
You are comparing the normal process of giving birth that goes on daily with the sort of beating a body takes from enduring cancer, chemo and all of the impact it has on one's entire immune system going through the ordeal, not to mention the stress from knowing could die if things go wrong, or that it could come back and kill you some time down the road? My mother gave birth to 5 and she would probably still tell you the breast cancer, treatments and mascectomy were worse than having 5 kids.0 -
If you avoid charities that except donations under false pretenses I really hope you also avoid Susan G. Komen. It doesn't get much more dirty, filled with lies, and bullying than those people http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/WhoTheHellIsBen/view/cancer-the-big-business-to-keep-it-alive-463780 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh but wait, there's no media, facebook, uproar to tell you to hate them, nevermind, carry on
Actually, there was quite the social media uproar about it. People were super pissed about all of the copyright **** she was claiming on using the term "cure." I know a lot of people who don't support that charity anymore, and have found more ethical charities to support.
The uproar you speak of, lasted a few days, and was only over the frivolous lawsuits. This and many other charities should have been dropped years ago for their day to day practices, not because one day the media said they were bad.
Well, yes, any unethical charity should be dropped, and people should be careful in who they donate to and do their own research. But if the media brings to light their unscrupulous ways, I don't really see what's wrong with that, either.0 -
I don't care what they say about Lance. He earned all the awards and metals to received. People just want to pull him down from his achievements. He is and always will be a great cyclist.
I like that the one person who's met him in this thread called him a total jerk. :laugh:
No one is saying he has a great personality. Maybe if he starts taking 5-HTP so he can be a nicer human, then we can start blasting him for that and negate any positive impact his new personality could have.
I've always admired him as an athlete and someone who definitely pushes himself and works hard (while disliking his personality). Yes, he took PEDs and now is finally admitting it. Good, the world can continue to turn. But looking at the rest of the field, he was obviously not alone. I'll be willing to bet that if no one took PEDs in cycling, he would have still won 7 times.
?? I've taken 5-HTP and I'm not a nicer human. I have no idea what you were getting at. And we will never know if he would have won or not... That's like saying I bet I would win at synchronized swimming at the Olympics, had I ever trained for it.
Then we agree, neither of us know what the other is talking about. I have no idea what you were getting at talking about his personality when we are talking about his athleticism.0 -
He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?
Look up the chemo drug Bleomycin. it does terrible things to your lungs, how do I know, I took it for three months...for the "cancer in my ball sac" I still wear a "do not give 100% Oxygen Road ID", because if I took it, my lungs would crystallise and fail. Congrats on the kid!
^^I like you! Your response was much better than mine!0 -
and he shouldn't have won 7 tours!!!!
And yet, somehow, he was faster than all other competitors...seven times!
So yeah, I'd like to know how he did it...and then we can figure out the pros and cons of what he used. While it's impossible to tell just by looking at him (and what we hear through the media), he seems to be a rather "healthy" individual, despite what is apparently years of using __________. I'd like to evaluate if those same things would provide a net benefit for me.
And yeah, I've heard he's a total jerk too...but that really isn't relevant to my (and OP's) reasons for being interested. Maybe start your own "Lance is a jerk!" thread.0 -
He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?This is the guy who even after cancer had lungs that processed oxygen better than a high school top athlete.
... Wow.0 -
LA is nothing more than a liar and a cheat; as was a minority of the pro-peleton back then.
I'm with Sir Dave Brailsford I'm afraid; if you're guilty, you're out - end of!
Look how many coaches Team Sky lost 'under a cloud' when they changed their policy on 'infringements'?
Apparently the sport was so rotten, they've had to get performance coaches in from outside the sport to fulfil their quota.0 -
and he shouldn't have won 7 tours!!!!
And yet, somehow, he was faster than all other competitors...seven times!
So yeah, I'd like to know how he did it...and then we can figure out the pros and cons of what he used. While it's impossible to tell just by looking at him (and what we hear through the media), he seems to be a rather "healthy" individual, despite what is apparently years of using __________. I'd like to evaluate if those same things would provide a net benefit for me.
And yeah, I've heard he's a total jerk too...but that really isn't relevant to my (and OP's) reasons for being interested. Maybe start your own "Lance is a jerk!" thread.
This is what I think the issue is. The PED allowed him to train at a level that otherwise he would be unable to preform. How he trained, and what he was able to do gave him the competitive edge. The athletes that he competed with directly most likely were doping too.
So the question is, at the level they compete at are PED necessary to level the playing field?
Say eveyone that was competeing was doint it clean, would be looking at a much different race? Would he have been able to win 7 tours?0 -
In on another Lance Armstrong thread. should end up being 50 pages long
The dude was one hell of an athlete. maybe not the most honest person, but I'd lie too if it kept me out of jail, and helped me avoid lawsuits from my sponsors. To all of his ex fans who are upset that he lied about taking drugs, it's your own fault for being delusional and thinking your favorite pro athletes are natural. It should be understood.
^^^ This. I'd add take all the drugs you want, work out like hell, see where you finish in the next TDF, then judge. I really don't care about what athletes do in their personal lives and any idiot knows that they're all juicing. I really just don't care. I'm here to be entertained and they do that for me. LA went a step beyond that and survived cancer and then became more awesome. If drugs helped him to do that then so be it.0 -
He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?
Look up the chemo drug Bleomycin. it does terrible things to your lungs, how do I know, I took it for three months...for the "cancer in my ball sac" I still wear a "do not give 100% Oxygen Road ID", because if I took it, my lungs would crystallise and fail. Congrats on the kid!
^^I like you! Your response was much better than mine!
I like you too. Seriously the original poster is off her baby loins shoving rocker. Congrats on your recovery.0 -
and he shouldn't have won 7 tours!!!!
And yet, somehow, he was faster than all other competitors...seven times!
So yeah, I'd like to know how he did it...and then we can figure out the pros and cons of what he used. While it's impossible to tell just by looking at him (and what we hear through the media), he seems to be a rather "healthy" individual, despite what is apparently years of using __________. I'd like to evaluate if those same things would provide a net benefit for me.
And yeah, I've heard he's a total jerk too...but that really isn't relevant to my (and OP's) reasons for being interested. Maybe start your own "Lance is a jerk!" thread.
^^ best said0 -
He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?This is the guy who even after cancer had lungs that processed oxygen better than a high school top athlete.
You are comparing the normal process of giving birth that goes on daily with the sort of beating a body takes from enduring cancer, chemo and all of the impact it has on one's entire immune system going through the ordeal, not to mention the stress from knowing could die if things go wrong, or that it could come back and kill you some time down the road? My mother gave birth to 5 and she would probably still tell you the breast cancer, treatments and mascectomy were worse than having 5 kids.
^^^Talk to my wife. She's in complete agreement with this one. Childbirth was easy for her. The chemo, double mastectomy and their after effects suck. I like Lance because he showed that you can survive and thrive. If it took drugs then start passing them out.0 -
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He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?
Look up the chemo drug Bleomycin. it does terrible things to your lungs, how do I know, I took it for three months...for the "cancer in my ball sac" I still wear a "do not give 100% Oxygen Road ID", because if I took it, my lungs would crystallise and fail. Congrats on the kid!
^^I like you! Your response was much better than mine!
I like you too. Seriously the original poster is off her baby loins shoving rocker. Congrats on your recovery.
Thanks to all, 13 years cancer free this May!! But in the Op's defense, we need to give her support as well, she is on this journey for her 3 cats according to her profile!0 -
This! I don't really get why they are illegal in the first place.Not to mention the majority of his competitors are probably on gear as well
Neither do I. If the public and general and other agencies headed by flat, sweaty blokes who probably couldn't pedal a pedalo could get passed their sanctimonious fauxtrage they might think "hmmm, this guy had testicular cancer which is supposed to decimate your system. He was doping. He also managed to win 7 Tours and compete at an exceptional level. Perhaps, just maybe it's worth investigating what he was using and doing to see if it can create viable drugs or methods which can be used for the benefit of all mankind?"
But nooooooo. Drugs are bad m'kay?
I would like to see anyone win anything (better yet, get yourself out of bed to make your doctor appointments) while taking chemo. Maybe he was on to something? How won 7 titles and is now cancer free.0 -
He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?
Look up the chemo drug Bleomycin. it does terrible things to your lungs, how do I know, I took it for three months...for the "cancer in my ball sac" I still wear a "do not give 100% Oxygen Road ID", because if I took it, my lungs would crystallise and fail. Congrats on the kid!
^^I like you! Your response was much better than mine!
I like you too. Seriously the original poster is off her baby loins shoving rocker. Congrats on your recovery.
Thanks to all, 13 years cancer free this May!! But in the Op's defense, we need to give her support as well, she is on this journey for her 3 cats according to her profile!
HaHa! That was gold...Congratulations on your recovery. :flowerforyou:0 -
and he shouldn't have won 7 tours!!!!
And yet, somehow, he was faster than all other competitors...seven times!
So yeah, I'd like to know how he did it...and then we can figure out the pros and cons of what he used. While it's impossible to tell just by looking at him (and what we hear through the media), he seems to be a rather "healthy" individual, despite what is apparently years of using __________. I'd like to evaluate if those same things would provide a net benefit for me.
And yeah, I've heard he's a total jerk too...but that really isn't relevant to my (and OP's) reasons for being interested. Maybe start your own "Lance is a jerk!" thread.
This is what I think the issue is. The PED allowed him to train at a level that otherwise he would be unable to preform. How he trained, and what he was able to do gave him the competitive edge. The athletes that he competed with directly most likely were doping too.
So the question is, at the level they compete at are PED necessary to level the playing field?
Say eveyone that was competeing was doint it clean, would be looking at a much different race? Would he have been able to win 7 tours?
Except that I really don't care if he would or would not have been able to win. Totally irrelevant to my point. I want to know *what* he was doing...*what* he was taking, and *what* he was doing in training. The combination of these things made him faster than everyone else. I want to know what they are to determine if there is a net benefit to me (and others). Very probably, the negatives > benefits, but we don't know that from a description of "PEDs". That's a "fairness" or "rules" label that tells us nothing about the cost benefit analysis...(except that there was a benefit to his performance, but with no real indication of the costs to his health (if any)).
And I don't buy the rationale of an assumption that the costs are too high. Let's face it, completely ignoring the PEDs, rigorous training like he does to compete is necessarily costly to his health...and most likely more costly than beneficial (at least to health).0 -
He had cancer in his ball sac. It does not impress me that his lungs were still able to process oxygen. One day, I shoved a 7lb 6 oz baby out of my loins. It took 9 hours and 21 minutes, but my lungs processed oxygen the entire time. Impressed?
Look up the chemo drug Bleomycin. it does terrible things to your lungs, how do I know, I took it for three months...for the "cancer in my ball sac" I still wear a "do not give 100% Oxygen Road ID", because if I took it, my lungs would crystallise and fail. Congrats on the kid!
^^I like you! Your response was much better than mine!
I like you too. Seriously the original poster is off her baby loins shoving rocker. Congrats on your recovery.
Thanks to all, 13 years cancer free this May!! But in the Op's defense, we need to give her support as well, she is on this journey for her 3 cats according to her profile!
^^ Congratulations and thank you for your service! Seriously.0 -
If I ever find out that Bradley Wiggins has taken anything I might cry. I love his sideburns.0
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