High carb vegan diet

Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?

Listen, if you're hungry or you just want some food then go and do it, we are a part of nature and in nature there is no calorie restriction. If a wolf had access to food at all times he would eat is brains out without putting on a single pound. Look at pets for instance, a cat eats all they and sleeps all they but won't gain weight. Just try it out for 2 weeks and you'll see what I'm talking about.

wolves are also running about all day trying to HUNT for that food. Humans don't do that, therefore calories in vs calories out.

I used to be a vegan but I went back to eating chicken and eggs and stuff. I don't particularly take to red meat because it makes my stomach feel iffy but when we were like running around millions of years ago I think it's beenshown that we ate some type of meats. I dont know yet if they were eating veggies and all that but I do know meat was involved. I can't say whether or not we aren't meant to eat a certain amount of meats but I do believe (most) people are designed to be able to eat meats and poultry and the like. When I was eating a vegan lifestyle I wasn't losing any extreme amounts of weight, I just felt cold all the time. Currently now I'm eating high carbs and low fats but with chicken in the mix and a crazy ton of vegetables. That's just my comments on your post.

Why do people always talk about what our ancestors ate or didn't eat? Pretty sure they ate whatever was in front of them and were lucky to live until the age of 30. Not exactly a good example.

Yay! So happy this thread is still going...i think it's my favorite

Fat makes you fat, not carbs.

That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.

Ding ding ding!

OP posts that he can eat 4,000 calories per day on a vegan diet and, as long as they are not coming from fat, he won't gain weight. And, no one would gain weight if they just ate carbs - no matter how many calories. Then OP waits until page 4 of this post to mention that he rides his bike up to 100 km some days. A bit misleading to say the least. I'm guessing that most could pull off 4,000 calories per day if riding 100 km on a bike too.

OP, you seem like you are concerned with doing it right. If you really are biking as much as you say, I suggest that you pick up a few books by vegan athletes such as Brendan Brazier, Matt Frazier, etc. and learn how to to fuel properly. Protein and fat are needed. My diet has been plant-based for over three years. I trained for and completed a marathon last year and had terrible muscle loss while eating a high carb, lower protien diet. I was eating enough protien for a non-athlete, but didn't increase enough for the work I was putting my body through. A month after my race I still felt like crap and lab tests showed my blood calcium and creatinine were completely screwed up. I am still paying for it and slowly trying to regain muscle.

I din't notice my problems right away and they came on slowly. You might not encounter this at 6 weeks into your new diet, but you will notice later as you begin to lose strength. Athletes do need muscle. You may have enough to ride your bike now, but if you aren't fueling right, you will notice when that muscle is gone. If you are burning through 4,000 per day, it isn't because you are eating just carbs. It's because you have a very high activity level. Please consider fueling your body the right way.

I used to worry about protein but realized very fast that protein is not something you need to worry about especially as a cyclist since cycling doesn't really require any muscle.

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Please then tell us - if you don't used muscles to cycle, what do you use? :noway:

Of course you use muscle while riding, but cycling does not demand big and strong muscles. You use muscle picking up a pen, but you don't have to be able to bench 100 kg in order to pick up that pen. Look at the pros, they aren't very muscular. Here's 2012 Tour de france winner Bradley Wiggins http://hall-five.com/images/uploads/blog/Bradley-Wiggins-in-his-ho-008.jpg

Thats Sir Bradley Wiggins to you, you don't think cyclist need big leg muscles? Take a look at Sir Chris Hoys thighs, considered one of the greatest track cyclist every and tell me you don't need big muscles

I love new vegans/vegetarians ready to preach after 6 weeks of experience.


Basically, you're a freshman and it's October of your first semester. Come at me when you get your degree.

So me loosing weight while eating 4000 cals a day, that's due to what? Before I would easily gain weight if I ate that much. Try it out for yourself before you judge me.

If you were eating a lot of processed foods before, it could be your salt levels going down which can also cause a loss of water weight. But if being vegan works for you, if you feel great, satisfied after eating, and happy, by all means, keep doing it.

Just be careful to get all the nutrients you need every day so you don't feel rundown.

Thanks. I take b12 pills everyday and also supplement with iron since I'm a cyclist I need that hemoglobin to be high. So the only nutrient I sometimes worry about is getting enough calories during the days I ride +100km. I could probably ride 100km while calorie restricting but it wouldn't be very effective long term since I'll just end up overtraining. I used to worry about protein but realized very fast that protein is not something you need to worry about especially as a cyclist since cycling doesn't really require any muscle. I just have to watch out so I don't become too lean on the high carb diet, I don't wanna look like a meth addict, but it might be difficult too avoid since I train a lot. Man, going vegan was probably my wised choice I've ever made, saving the animals at the same time being healthy and skinny. Check this guy out and you'll get a better picture of what I mean by saying "high carb low fat is the way to go" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yPMshheUI.

I'm surprised no one picked up on this.

The high volume training and long rides may well explain the weight loss on a higher cal diet esp combined with the fact he's an 18 year old male.

Too busy discussing b12? :laugh:

Yeah, I picked up on it. The it's the all to familiar unraveling of significant bits of information that have been left out of the original post(s).

Undisclosed high volume bicycling (apparently not using any muscle). But it started off as just 'hey MFP! Guess what? I can eat 4000 calories a day and not gain weight BECAUSE I am a vegan'. :grumble:

Well my experience is this. I have graves disease my eyes were yellow my skin was a mess after just two weeks I saw a difference. My eyes weren't yellow anymore and my skin was smooth and supple. Also I noticed my energy was through the roof and my thinking was clearer. So I have had a good experience eating High carb low fat vegan. I'm just trying to figure out a to not runoutta food after two weeks seeing that I have a family of four to feed. It became difficult and stressful running outta food. I don't know I guess I gotta plan out a menu for the month.

You made a great choice! I gone Vegan for the last couple of months and I feel great.

I think the vegan diet life style is a personal choice so it might not be for everyone.

Why is everyone bashing this guy for trying to share his experience and help people out. Going vegan is an amazing thing you can do for your health, our fellow beings, and the planet. In order to succeed as a vegan, yes you absolutely need to eat high carb low fat and consume twice the amount of calories in order to meet your nutrients and keep your energy high. I was vegan for about a year eating an average amount of calories eating an excess of protein from soy and nuts because the dieting industry made me believe I "needed" it. I did lose and maintain my weight but eventually around the 12 month mark I started feeling fatigued and had binge episodes on high carb high FAT vegan foods. I started gaining weight and I blamed the veganism thinking maybe it just wasn't working for me anymore. So I started eating animal products again and restricting my calories to try and lose the weight I gained. Well this didn't stop the binge eating, I still had low energy except this time my skin was suffering like never before and I was still game weight rapidly. About three months ago I decided to really research how to be a successful vegan and it led me to the high carb low fat lifestyle of fruity abundance. After the month long detox I feel absolutely amazing and my body is rewarding me with excellent digestion, energy, and WEIGHTLOSS (finally). People get too caught up in scientific theories and debates. How about you look at the people achieving the results that you want to achieve and create your own theories and observations from that. Just get on YouTube and search high carb low fat vegan and I guarantee you will be inspired.

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There is so much ridiculousness in this post I don't even know where to begin.
Oh yes, people get too caught up in science.....NOT.

Fat makes you fat, not carbs.

That is just wrong. excess calories are stored as fat, no matter what they come from.

Maybe if you lay in bed all day stuffing your mouth full of hamburgers. When I first went vegan I didn't do any training due to slight overtraining but still ate like would die the next day and I lost 4 kg just like that. Now tell me, how is this possible if what you're saying is true. I weigh 69 kg and am super fit, and I assume you are overweight and struggling to run around the block. You could change this easy if you would just listen to me, just give it a try. Sorry if I offended you, I don't mean to hurt your feeling or anything, just trying to make a point

I lay in bed all day stuffing triple baconator, yet when I ate predominantly vegan diet, I was over weight. You should do what works for you, there is no one size fits all diet.

Okay, we all can agree to disagree. If you guys want to rely on the limits of selectively funded studies (usually by meat, dairy, other profitable industries) then go ahead an enjoy. You look great, and you're seeing your results. No wonder you think we're crazy. Just have to say, I bet your diet isn't nearly as tasty and abundant as mine. :laugh: :drinker: :laugh:

Why would you assume that a meat eaters diet isn't as tasty or abundant as your diet?