High carb vegan diet
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I just had dessert for breakfast. I will have another 1000 calorie dessert for lunch. I am getting lean by eating all the fruit I care for. Good riddance to calorie restriction (and subsequent cravings!! eek!) Look up Dr. Doug Graham, he has done this since 1978. He's not the only one but a prime example.0
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Good luck with vitamin deficiencies, hair falling out, weakness and messed up menstrual cycles. There is a reason some people don't do this diet for very long.0 -
lulz, when veganism caught some steam and ann coulter got a job.
This thread has definitely been amusing, starting at the wet behind the years street preacher and spiralling out into true silliness.0 -
The way the original post was worded may seem off putting to some people, but it is scientifically shown that a whole food plant based diet is the healthiest way to eat. To see that information, read The China Study by T. Colin Campbell, PhD which is the largest sixty on nutrition and health ever done. If you don't want to have to read through all the details, the video Forks Over Knives is a condensed and more entertaining source of some of the information.
Because whole food plant based is the healthiest way eat, you will naturally reach a healthy weight without having to count calories or make sure you're getting enough of everything. I say whole food plant based because not all vegan food is healthy food. There's alot of processed vegan junk food out there. The vegan meat replacements out there are also junk food, though they are better for you than animal protein. You need to make sure you're eating real food such as all the different colors of fruits and vegetables, lots of leafy greens,whole grains and pseudo-grains (such as quinoa and buckwheat ), legumes, nuts and seeds (chia and hemp seeds are really good for you, too).
Eating this way allows you to eat as much as you want because you get full before you can overeat. The food is full of the nutrients you need so your body isn't telling you that you need to eat more to get the nutrients it needs. The food also has more volume and fiber so your stomach is actually full and you stop when you need to.
When you eat whole plant foods, you will get everything you need as long as you're eating enough calories and eating enough varietyvariety. The FDA nutrition guidelines are not completely scientifically sound and are somewhat arbitrary. You need half the amount of protein as recommended and you get plenty of it in plants. You don't need to resort to protein supplements unless you want to use one as a post-workout recovery. You get plenty of calcium that is actually better for you than dairy. You get your healthy days with no cholesterol from nuts and seeds, coconut (it's saturated fat, but your body processes it differently and it's good for you), avocados, and other plants, too. You don't need to take supplements, with a few exceptions. You may need to take a Vitamin D supplement if you're not getting getting about 15 minutes of sunlight every couple days. You will also need to take a B-12 supplement to avoid pernicious anemia. We used to be able to get B-12 when eating plasma, but the soil has been largely depleted and we super wash all our fruits and vegetables.
I switched to a whole food plant based diet in 2011 after researching cancer prevention. There were a lot of references to The China Study so I decided to read it for myself. It showed that no matter how much of a carcinogen we're exposed to, the actual growth of cancer could be controlled with the amount of animal protein consumed. Cancer can be reversed by eliminating animal protein, especially dairy. The casein in dairy actually feeds cancer more than any other animal protein.
I was overweight and miserable, but quickly lost 70 pounds after switching to a whole food plant based diet and never felt better. I haven't even had so much as a cold in the 3 years since then.
This past year I've been really busy with school, work, homework, and building a business. I stopped preparing my own meals and stayed eating more and more processed prepared meals. The meals were vegan, but they weren't whole food. They had a lot of extra unnecessary ingredients and added fats, sugars, sodium, etc. I've gained quite a bit of weight back, but am losing it quickly again after switching back to making my own whole food meals.
I joined MFP after joining a biggest loser group, but quit logging my food after a few days because I don't need to so it's a pain to go through unnecessary work. I just use MFP to track my weight loss. The winner of the biggest loser gets to donate the money we all anted in to a charity of his or her choice. I'm thinking about dropping out of the group in order to allow someone else to be the winner so they have that victory and are motivated to keep going. Other people are telling me to stay so that I can be the motivation to someone else and help them out, and it's not like I'm taking the money from them because it's going to a charity either way. There are lots of ways to lose weight, but I do feel that whole food plant based is the healthiest way to do it. What do other people think? Would someone else be more motivated by winning themselves or by learning how I did it? I'm not being arrogant in assuming I'll win, I'm way ahead of everyone else in the group and most of them really struggle with food. They also know I eat a vegan diet, just not all the details of why I say it's the healthiest way of eating.
There's so much more I could say, but I'll leave it at that for now.0 -
Okay, we all can agree to disagree. If you guys want to rely on the limits of selectively funded studies (usually by meat, dairy, other profitable industries) then go ahead an enjoy. You look great, and you're seeing your results. No wonder you think we're crazy. Just have to say, I bet your diet isn't nearly as tasty and abundant as mine. :laugh: :drinker: :laugh:
I would recommend "The Starch Solution" by Dr. John McDougall, "80/10/10" by Dr. Doug Graham, "Engine 2 Diet" by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, "Get Healthy Go Vegan" by Dr. Neal Barnard ...yes, THIS IS proven and explained by science, and it works long term. All these doctors are lean and fit. Try and find a lean and fit doctor that promotes carb restriction.
chastises others for allegedly relying on biassed sources.
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Okay, we all can agree to disagree. If you guys want to rely on the limits of selectively funded studies (usually by meat, dairy, other profitable industries) then go ahead an enjoy. You look great, and you're seeing your results. No wonder you think we're crazy. Just have to say, I bet your diet isn't nearly as tasty and abundant as mine. :laugh: :drinker: :laugh:
Why would you assume that a meat eaters diet isn't as tasty or abundant as your diet?
^^^ this
and also, addressing the original person quoted above... why assume that us meat eaters have never been vegan?
I can assure you that my diet now is much more abundant than a vegan diet. Why? Because I still eat lots of really delicious vegan foods, only I eat meat, eggs and dairy too. In fact, tofu goes really really well with mutton mince in curry, and, well, in curry generally. And lots of other vegan staples. The only vegan recipes I don't use any more are the ones that were trying too hard to be something that they're not, i.e. the imitation eggs, dairy and meat recipes. That's gone from my diet (replaced by the real thing). But true vegan food, as in all the tasty vegetable dishes, remain.
You can get all the health benefits of a vegan diet - and enjoy all the taste benefits too - by including a wide range of different plant foods while also eating meat. You get the best of both, as in all the micronutrients and fibre of a vegan diet, plus the abundant supply of iron, amino acids and essential fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins of animal products. Because humans are omnivores, and that means enjoying meat *and* veggies to the max.0 -
Why is everyone bashing this guy for trying to share his experience and help people out. Going vegan is an amazing thing you can do for your health,
while it is possible for an adult to get a healthy, balanced diet from only plant foods (so long as you supplement vitamin B12), it's actually really difficult and requires a lot of attention to nutrition, in particular to getting adequate amounts of protein and iron.
This recent trend of promoting the idea that vegan diets are automatically more healthy than any omnivorous diet is completely wrong and frankly dangerous.
I was vegan over a decade ago - back then the websites promoting veganism had quite detailed instructions about what foods to eat to ensure a proper balance of nutrition while eating vegan - and also what supplements to take (including what vegan foods were fortified with those particular vitamins, mostly B12 and D2) - they also had advice about how to switch from an omnivorous to a plant only diet safely, which they did not recommend doing overnignt.......... nowadays you see websites telling people that humans are herbivores, meat is toxic and the vegan diet is the proper diet for humans, and that 80/10/10 are the ideal macros for humans..... sorry but it's utter BS, and dangerous BS at that. Humans are omnivores and a healthy vegan diet is an imitation of an omnivorous diet, i.e. the nutrient profile is the same you'll get from a healthy, balanced ominvorous diet, but replacing animal foods with plant alternatives. You will not automatically become healthier by going vegan. You are most likely to become less healthy as a result, unless you pay careful attention to specific nutrients, which many of the most vocal, in your face vegans don't seem to do, or to even realise that they need to do this and poo-poo any suggestions e.g. that they should get more than 10% of their calories from protein, as meat industry propaganda.
Sorry but all this BS needs to be called out, and it's got nothing to do with hatred against vegans (I don't hate vegans, I used to be one long ago, I know people who are happy, healthy well-nourished vegans too) it's simply a PSA about health. Going vegan requires paying attention to getting all the nutrients that it's hard to get without eating animal products. And vitamin b12 supplements. And vitamin D supplements if your skin colour isn't optimal for making vitamin D with your skin where you live. And usually iron supplements if you're female and still menstruating (non-haem iron is harder to absorb and a lot of female vegans and vegetarians do get anaemia in spite of eating plenty of green veggies).0 -
Your analogy is flawed. A predatory animal, such as a wolf, feasts when a kill is made but then they won't eat for days afterwards. I assume you don't eat 4000cals then skip a days worth of eating do you, so that it evens out at 2000cals/day?
This is so completely wrong. I worked at a vets office for years, and there are many overweight pets. Heck, my pets are overweight. My dogs will indeed eat as much as they could if I gave it to them, but they would gain weight.0 -
As a vegan I find the premise and execution of this thread frustrating to say the least!
OP people do not want to hear anecdotal evidence or opinions disguised as science.
If the intention of the thread was to promote veganism the way you went about it has most probably had the opposite effect.
People want facts, studies (peer reviewed) a certain methodology that goes beyond personal preference or experience.
I recommend you research scientific methodology, nutrition, biology etc before discussing the physiological effects of a vegan diet, as there are people well versed in these subjects and many more and they will call you out on any or all discrepancies.
If you want to discuss the ethical implications of a vegan vs omnivore diet I also recommend doing your research as you will be called out on any discrepancies. (once again)
Your intentions may be good but you know what they say about good intentions hmm.
As far as your approach, if you push someone and they tend to move away. (basic physics)
In summary rethink your approach and do some research because threads like this just fuel the fire for the "Pushy Vegan" stereotype.
FYI: I was a fat *kitten* vegan there for a while and now I am a healthy vegan, both are possibilities.0 -
The way the original post was worded may seem off putting to some people, but it is scientifically shown that a whole food plant based diet is the healthiest way to eat. To see that information, read The China Study by T. Colin Campbell, PhD which is the largest sixty on nutrition and health ever done. If you don't want to have to read through all the details, the video Forks Over Knives is a condensed and more entertaining source of some of the information.
The china study has been completely debunked I'm afraid and as for forks over knives :noway:
Feel free to quote some actually peer reviewed sources and studies instead of cherry-picking books and documentaries that have a strong bias.0 -
The China Study had not been debunked. There are people that have attempted to debunk it with wrong information. All of his work was peer reviewed and if you actually take the time to read all of the information and peer reviews of his individual research instead of just listening to whatever any person says, you can't ignore the evidence. I always look up both points of view, look at how the research was done, look at who funds the research, who funds the people funding the research, before accepting anything as truth. I no longer worry about what the latest research has to say. I am confident that whole food plant based is the healthiest way to eat.0
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Okay, we all can agree to disagree. If you guys want to rely on the limits of selectively funded studies (usually by meat, dairy, other profitable industries) then go ahead an enjoy. You look great, and you're seeing your results. No wonder you think we're crazy. Just have to say, I bet your diet isn't nearly as tasty and abundant as mine. :laugh: :drinker: :laugh:
I would recommend "The Starch Solution" by Dr. John McDougall, "80/10/10" by Dr. Doug Graham, "Engine 2 Diet" by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, "Get Healthy Go Vegan" by Dr. Neal Barnard ...yes, THIS IS proven and explained by science, and it works long term. All these doctors are lean and fit. Try and find a lean and fit doctor that promotes carb restriction.
What an incredibly juvenile thing to say.0 -
Since I have celiac disease this type of diet would not be suitable for me. Besides, I love meat.
As others have said, there is nothing inherent in a vegan diet that would make you lose weight, independent of calories.0 -
I eat a meat free diet, the only dairy I have is whey protein after exercise. I have found it a useful diet to follow as I try to eat a large proportion of whole foods. Cheese was always something I over ate, I don't like meat. I find that my options can be limited and as such I tend to be conscious of what I eat and make sensible choices. I eat plenty of fruit and vegetables, whole grains, soy, nuts ,beans etc I watch my fat intake and I don't cook with oil but I do eat nuts, so get healthy fat..I have had some good results in terms of weight loss and improved health. I no longer suffer from reflux and digestive problems, my skin is better and most importantly my blood sugar is much better controlled. It isn't for everybody. This is purely my experience of this type of eating.0
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I think this is related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6tTv_DEY7s&list=UUduKuJToxWPizJ7I2E6n1kA0 -
what is your primary source of protein? do you consume all the essential amino acids required by us.
The 10 amino acids that humans can produce are alanine, asparagine, aspartic acid, cysteine, glutamic acid, glutamine, glycine, proline, serine and tyrosine. Tyrosine is produced from phenylalanine, so if the diet is deficient in phenylalanine, tyrosine will be required as well. The essential amino acids are arginine (required for the young, but not for adults), histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. These amino acids are required in the diet.
If you only do vegan, no wonder you have to eat 4000 cals a day as you must have to complement a lot of foods to make up for the nutrition. Plus you would have to take supplements high in iron as iron from plant sources is not very well absorbed by human body.
As far as care for the animals is concerned, what about the care for the plants. So if all started eating like you are doing (4000 cals/day) or more, then there would not be enough plants to feed the vegan brigade. Plus, dont you know that even plants feel pain as has been proven in various lab experiments. So just because they are mute and cant move, its ok for you to eat their raw limbs aka raw veggies?!
Therefore, do yourself a favour, stop preaching, live and let live
No study has ever shown that plants can "feel" pain. While they can respond to stimuli, they lack a central nervous system and brain in order to "feel" anything.0 -
Could you give us an example of your eating plan? I think it would help to "calm" the querelle here.
What do you have at your meals? Most importantly what do you snack on?
Seen that some commercial junk food can be vegan, what are your boundaries?
I have started a vegan (sugar free and almost alcohol free) diet plan which I intend to follow for the next 2 or 3 week (hey I'm on day1 so I'm just being rational). We could share meal plans?0 -
sorta old thread is old.
I lost a lot of weight when i went raw/vegan. Then my doctor said I wasn't very good at it. She said (1) she could prescribe me fancy supplements and pills.
Or (2) I could eat meat a couple times a week.
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