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PennWalker wrote: »PennWalker wrote: »lisamerrison wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »
'good' or not is a different matter, but eating mcdonalds doesn't make someone obese... eating too many calories does.
Understand, that was why my example was of a 1500 calorie + lunch. A Big Mac side salad (light on dressing) and Diet Coke not so bad. It's how much one eats. And I would be pretty sure most people know the 2 Big Mac lunch in my example is too much.
Why diet coke as opposed to normal coke?
You are kidding - sugar is a killer
You'll find that the chemicals in diet coke are generally more harmful than sugar which comes from a natural plant.
Diet Coke tastes like somebody put gasoline in it.
But taste has nothing to do with whether or not something is harmful to the body - I to am waiting for an explanation of the 'harmful' nature of the chemicals in diet coke...
I would respectfully disagree that taste has nothing to do with whether something is harmful to the body. Taste, like pain, is a natural way our body sends a message that something is not right. People override both by cultural conditioning but the basic body message is there.
Somebody else can take on the chemicals research.
My children agree with you, as they are convinced they are being poisoned by most vegetables. Alas, if only this childish sentiment were actually true--it would be helpful in preventing all kinds of poisonings, from mushrooms to antifreeze to botulism.6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »PennWalker wrote: »PennWalker wrote: »lisamerrison wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »
'good' or not is a different matter, but eating mcdonalds doesn't make someone obese... eating too many calories does.
Understand, that was why my example was of a 1500 calorie + lunch. A Big Mac side salad (light on dressing) and Diet Coke not so bad. It's how much one eats. And I would be pretty sure most people know the 2 Big Mac lunch in my example is too much.
Why diet coke as opposed to normal coke?
You are kidding - sugar is a killer
You'll find that the chemicals in diet coke are generally more harmful than sugar which comes from a natural plant.
Diet Coke tastes like somebody put gasoline in it.
But taste has nothing to do with whether or not something is harmful to the body - I to am waiting for an explanation of the 'harmful' nature of the chemicals in diet coke...
I would respectfully disagree that taste has nothing to do with whether something is harmful to the body. Taste, like pain, is a natural way our body sends a message that something is not right. People override both by cultural conditioning but the basic body message is there.
Somebody else can take on the chemicals research.
How are personal taste preferences at all an indicator of how harmful something is to the body? I think Diet Coke tastes delicious. So does that mean it's harmful to you but not to me?
My husband thinks shrimp are delicious but he is allergic and his throat closes up when he consumes them... wouldn't you think, by your logic, that he should have some early indicator that these could be problematic for him?
Brussel Sprouts must be poison to most kids.4 -
It's official. Kale is poison.11
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Carlos_421 wrote: »It's official. Kale is poison.
Fortunately on the 8th day, God created Oreos...10 -
Gah chemistry rant:
In terms of hydrocarbons
meth- (one carbon)
eth- (two carbons)
prop- (three carbons)
If its a simple hydrocarbon (single bonded carbons saturated with hydrogen then the suffix is just -ane.
So methane, ethane, propane.
If it has an OH on one end then its an alcohol so the suffix is -ol is used to replace the e
Methanol, ethanol, propanol
If not all the connections to carbons are to hydrogens then its called an unsaturated hydrocarbon which ends in -ylene
ethylene, methylene, propylene
If both ends have an -OH then technically it is a -diol so like ethane-1,2-diol where the numbers denote which carbons the -OH is on. That can get long though so it has been abbreviated into being a glycol with the suffix changes to -ylene and the word glycol is attached.
Methylene glycol, ethylene glycol, propylene glycol.
If you make a chain of them then it gets the prefix poly and sense you are connecting them together at least one of the bonds isn't to hydrogen so its a -ylene.
As an example, polypropylene...a chain of unstaturated propane molecules....basically what your athletic wear is most likely made out of. Or polyethylene...the most commonly used plastic.
You'd think that if you knew the properties of a given molecule that a chain of them or a small change to them would make something with similar properties but really things can change quite a lot.
Ethane (component of natural gas, used for heating), ethanol (alcohol used for drinking), ethylene glycol (antifreeze), polyethylene (plastic). Basically small modifications to the same molecule.
Okay, sorry for that.11 -
lisamerrison wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »
'good' or not is a different matter, but eating mcdonalds doesn't make someone obese... eating too many calories does.
Understand, that was why my example was of a 1500 calorie + lunch. A Big Mac side salad (light on dressing) and Diet Coke not so bad. It's how much one eats. And I would be pretty sure most people know the 2 Big Mac lunch in my example is too much.
Why diet coke as opposed to normal coke?
You are kidding - sugar is a killer
You'll find that the chemicals in diet coke are generally more harmful than sugar which comes from a natural plant.
*sigh*0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Gah chemistry rant:
In terms of hydrocarbons
meth- (one carbon)
eth- (two carbons)
prop- (three carbons)
If its a simple hydrocarbon (single bonded carbons saturated with hydrogen then the suffix is just -ane.
So methane, ethane, propane.
If it has an OH on one end then its an alcohol so the suffix is -ol is used to replace the e
Methanol, ethanol, propanol
If not all the connections to carbons are to hydrogens then its called an unsaturated hydrocarbon which ends in -ylene
ethylene, methylene, propylene
If both ends have an -OH then technically it is a -diol so like ethane-1,2-diol where the numbers denote which carbons the -OH is on. That can get long though so it has been abbreviated into being a glycol with the suffix changes to -ylene and the word glycol is attached.
Methylene glycol, ethylene glycol, propylene glycol.
If you make a chain of them then it gets the prefix poly and sense you are connecting them together at least one of the bonds isn't to hydrogen so its a -ylene.
As an example, polypropylene...a chain of unstaturated propane molecules....basically what your athletic wear is most likely made out of. Or polyethylene...the most commonly used plastic.
You'd think that if you knew the properties of a given molecule that a chain of them or a small change to them would make something with similar properties but really things can change quite a lot.
Ethane (component of natural gas, used for heating), ethanol (alcohol used for drinking), ethylene glycol (antifreeze), polyethylene (plastic). Basically small modifications to the same molecule.
Okay, sorry for that.
Time for a C2H5OH.
(Sorry my phone doesn't do subscripts).
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Carlos_421 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »The series Superfat to Superskinny was one. At least I think thats what it was called.
They took obese UK people over to the US and had them see Americans homhad been obese for years, were undergoing surgery and all the problems like, wheelchairs, special medical teams and beds for the obese etc.
It did seem to help th UK people get the motivation to lose weight before it got any worse.
The UK doesn't have any morbidly obese people of their own they could've used?
not to the extreme levels of what you have.
However we have an "Obesity crisis" (still incomparable to you) and the country is trying to do something about it which is commendable.
Over the last 10 years, the country started with tackling schools to ensure nutritious meals are provided to children and Jamie Oliver is to salute for this. He started the trend.
Just today it was announced on the radio that all of the food retail businesses have a responsibility to reduce salt/sugar by 20% over the next 5 years. Good or bad, I don't know but it's an attempt to move forward.
..and there might be more but I am not versed on everything.
Also, we DONT use Americans as an example to motivate ourselves. We do have a growing concern here and there are several programs on TV that bring awareness to that using brits as an example.
However big and successful documentaries from the states do get aired here for educational/awareness.
There's certain things where the UK cannot compare itself to America and I will not deny it!
The ignorance and offensiveness of the bolded is just astounding.
Yes, our numbers are worse but they are in no way incomparable. America has an obesity problem just like most of the industrialized world but we're not a population made up exclusively of obese slobs like you continue to insinuate.
ETA: maybe you forgot this graphic from earlier in the thread
Just to break that down for you, overweight/obesity rates in the US vs UK are:
Men - 70.9% to 66.6%
Women - 61.9% to 57.2%
That's close enough that you'd not notice any difference between the two populations by living among them. You basically have to do a census in order to pick up on that small of a difference.
The most alarming thing about that chart is that only two countries strikingly stand out from the rest and it's the ones at the bottom, not at the top.2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Gah chemistry rant:
In terms of hydrocarbons
meth- (one carbon)
eth- (two carbons)
prop- (three carbons)
If its a simple hydrocarbon (single bonded carbons saturated with hydrogen then the suffix is just -ane.
So methane, ethane, propane.
If it has an OH on one end then its an alcohol so the suffix is -ol is used to replace the e
Methanol, ethanol, propanol
If not all the connections to carbons are to hydrogens then its called an unsaturated hydrocarbon which ends in -ylene
ethylene, methylene, propylene
If both ends have an -OH then technically it is a -diol so like ethane-1,2-diol where the numbers denote which carbons the -OH is on. That can get long though so it has been abbreviated into being a glycol with the suffix changes to -ylene and the word glycol is attached.
Methylene glycol, ethylene glycol, propylene glycol.
If you make a chain of them then it gets the prefix poly and sense you are connecting them together at least one of the bonds isn't to hydrogen so its a -ylene.
As an example, polypropylene...a chain of unstaturated propane molecules....basically what your athletic wear is most likely made out of. Or polyethylene...the most commonly used plastic.
You'd think that if you knew the properties of a given molecule that a chain of them or a small change to them would make something with similar properties but really things can change quite a lot.
Ethane (component of natural gas, used for heating), ethanol (alcohol used for drinking), ethylene glycol (antifreeze), polyethylene (plastic). Basically small modifications to the same molecule.
Okay, sorry for that.
Time for a C2H5OH.
(Sorry my phone doesn't do subscripts).
Reminds me of that old-hat chemistry joke.
Just make sure you keep that second carbon in there.9 -
PennWalker wrote: »PennWalker wrote: »lisamerrison wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »
'good' or not is a different matter, but eating mcdonalds doesn't make someone obese... eating too many calories does.
Understand, that was why my example was of a 1500 calorie + lunch. A Big Mac side salad (light on dressing) and Diet Coke not so bad. It's how much one eats. And I would be pretty sure most people know the 2 Big Mac lunch in my example is too much.
Why diet coke as opposed to normal coke?
You are kidding - sugar is a killer
You'll find that the chemicals in diet coke are generally more harmful than sugar which comes from a natural plant.
Diet Coke tastes like somebody put gasoline in it.
But taste has nothing to do with whether or not something is harmful to the body - I to am waiting for an explanation of the 'harmful' nature of the chemicals in diet coke...
I would respectfully disagree that taste has nothing to do with whether something is harmful to the body. Taste, like pain, is a natural way our body sends a message that something is not right. People override both by cultural conditioning but the basic body message is there.
While I agree that this is correct in a broad sense, taste makes only a gross distinction: It's sometimes an inaccurate guide.
For example, bitterness is claimed to be a key evolutionary taste guide to food safety, but double IPA is very healthy. Oops, I meant flax seed. And bitter melon.Somebody else can take on the chemicals research.
OMG!! IPA, FTW!!1 -
Anvil_Head wrote: »I'm betting if they served an Egg Mcmuffin at breakfast (300 calories), a double cheeseburger for lunch (450 calories), and a quarter pounder for dinner (540 calories) in state prisons, they probably wouldn't weigh more than they do now.
When food portion is controlled, weight stays steady regardless of source.
Prisons are an interesting point of discussion for this topic. The food served in prisons is "institutional food" (i.e. low-priced products bought in large quantities and prepared in bulk). Lots of highly processed foods, hardly what one would call "clean eating" by whatever standard. They're usually also allowed to purchase candy bars, potato chips, etc. from the prison commissary. Yet inmates rarely come out of prison in worse health and/or physical shape than they were when they went in. I've seen many cons who went into the joint in terrible physical condition (either obese, or skinnyfat from being strung out on drugs) and when you ran into them on the streets a year or two later after they'd come out of prison, they were yoked and lean as hell.
Of course there are some concomitant causative factors - they have plenty of time to exercise and are (mostly) not doing drugs and drinking alcohol while they're in prison - but the fact remains that many of them get into amazing shape/health despite a far less than optimal diet.
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lisamerrison wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »
'good' or not is a different matter, but eating mcdonalds doesn't make someone obese... eating too many calories does.
Understand, that was why my example was of a 1500 calorie + lunch. A Big Mac side salad (light on dressing) and Diet Coke not so bad. It's how much one eats. And I would be pretty sure most people know the 2 Big Mac lunch in my example is too much.
Why diet coke as opposed to normal coke?
You are kidding - sugar is a killer
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IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »It's official. Kale is poison.
Fortunately on the 8th day, God created Oreos...
And it was good.5 -
(not as good as Fox's crunch creams)2
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Carlos_421 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »The series Superfat to Superskinny was one. At least I think thats what it was called.
They took obese UK people over to the US and had them see Americans homhad been obese for years, were undergoing surgery and all the problems like, wheelchairs, special medical teams and beds for the obese etc.
It did seem to help th UK people get the motivation to lose weight before it got any worse.
The UK doesn't have any morbidly obese people of their own they could've used?
not to the extreme levels of what you have.
However we have an "Obesity crisis" (still incomparable to you) and the country is trying to do something about it which is commendable.
Over the last 10 years, the country started with tackling schools to ensure nutritious meals are provided to children and Jamie Oliver is to salute for this. He started the trend.
Just today it was announced on the radio that all of the food retail businesses have a responsibility to reduce salt/sugar by 20% over the next 5 years. Good or bad, I don't know but it's an attempt to move forward.
..and there might be more but I am not versed on everything.
Also, we DONT use Americans as an example to motivate ourselves. We do have a growing concern here and there are several programs on TV that bring awareness to that using brits as an example.
However big and successful documentaries from the states do get aired here for educational/awareness.
There's certain things where the UK cannot compare itself to America and I will not deny it!
The ignorance and offensiveness of the bolded is just astounding.
Yes, our numbers are worse but they are in no way incomparable. America has an obesity problem just like most of the industrialized world but we're not a population made up exclusively of obese slobs like you continue to insinuate.
ETA: maybe you forgot this graphic from earlier in the thread
Just to break that down for you, overweight/obesity rates in the US vs UK are:
Men - 70.9% to 66.6%
Women - 61.9% to 57.2%
That's close enough that you'd not notice any difference between the two populations by living among them. You basically have to do a census in order to pick up on that small of a difference.
The most alarming thing about that chart is that only two countries strikingly stand out from the rest and it's the ones at the bottom, not at the top.
Having lived there for a time, appetite suppression via nicotine comes to mind...3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »The series Superfat to Superskinny was one. At least I think thats what it was called.
They took obese UK people over to the US and had them see Americans homhad been obese for years, were undergoing surgery and all the problems like, wheelchairs, special medical teams and beds for the obese etc.
It did seem to help th UK people get the motivation to lose weight before it got any worse.
The UK doesn't have any morbidly obese people of their own they could've used?
not to the extreme levels of what you have.
However we have an "Obesity crisis" (still incomparable to you) and the country is trying to do something about it which is commendable.
Over the last 10 years, the country started with tackling schools to ensure nutritious meals are provided to children and Jamie Oliver is to salute for this. He started the trend.
Just today it was announced on the radio that all of the food retail businesses have a responsibility to reduce salt/sugar by 20% over the next 5 years. Good or bad, I don't know but it's an attempt to move forward.
..and there might be more but I am not versed on everything.
Also, we DONT use Americans as an example to motivate ourselves. We do have a growing concern here and there are several programs on TV that bring awareness to that using brits as an example.
However big and successful documentaries from the states do get aired here for educational/awareness.
There's certain things where the UK cannot compare itself to America and I will not deny it!
The ignorance and offensiveness of the bolded is just astounding.
Yes, our numbers are worse but they are in no way incomparable. America has an obesity problem just like most of the industrialized world but we're not a population made up exclusively of obese slobs like you continue to insinuate.
ETA: maybe you forgot this graphic from earlier in the thread
Just to break that down for you, overweight/obesity rates in the US vs UK are:
Men - 70.9% to 66.6%
Women - 61.9% to 57.2%
That's close enough that you'd not notice any difference between the two populations by living among them. You basically have to do a census in order to pick up on that small of a difference.
The most alarming thing about that chart is that only two countries strikingly stand out from the rest and it's the ones at the bottom, not at the top.
Having lived there for a time, appetite suppression via nicotine comes to mind...
Yes! Smoke 'em cigareets!1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »The series Superfat to Superskinny was one. At least I think thats what it was called.
They took obese UK people over to the US and had them see Americans homhad been obese for years, were undergoing surgery and all the problems like, wheelchairs, special medical teams and beds for the obese etc.
It did seem to help th UK people get the motivation to lose weight before it got any worse.
The UK doesn't have any morbidly obese people of their own they could've used?
not to the extreme levels of what you have.
However we have an "Obesity crisis" (still incomparable to you) and the country is trying to do something about it which is commendable.
Over the last 10 years, the country started with tackling schools to ensure nutritious meals are provided to children and Jamie Oliver is to salute for this. He started the trend.
Just today it was announced on the radio that all of the food retail businesses have a responsibility to reduce salt/sugar by 20% over the next 5 years. Good or bad, I don't know but it's an attempt to move forward.
..and there might be more but I am not versed on everything.
Also, we DONT use Americans as an example to motivate ourselves. We do have a growing concern here and there are several programs on TV that bring awareness to that using brits as an example.
However big and successful documentaries from the states do get aired here for educational/awareness.
There's certain things where the UK cannot compare itself to America and I will not deny it!
The ignorance and offensiveness of the bolded is just astounding.
Yes, our numbers are worse but they are in no way incomparable. America has an obesity problem just like most of the industrialized world but we're not a population made up exclusively of obese slobs like you continue to insinuate.
ETA: maybe you forgot this graphic from earlier in the thread
Just to break that down for you, overweight/obesity rates in the US vs UK are:
Men - 70.9% to 66.6%
Women - 61.9% to 57.2%
That's close enough that you'd not notice any difference between the two populations by living among them. You basically have to do a census in order to pick up on that small of a difference.
The most alarming thing about that chart is that only two countries strikingly stand out from the rest and it's the ones at the bottom, not at the top.
Having lived there for a time, appetite suppression via nicotine comes to mind...
Is interesting that we don't see much regression analysis of BMI and tobacco use.3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »The series Superfat to Superskinny was one. At least I think thats what it was called.
They took obese UK people over to the US and had them see Americans homhad been obese for years, were undergoing surgery and all the problems like, wheelchairs, special medical teams and beds for the obese etc.
It did seem to help th UK people get the motivation to lose weight before it got any worse.
The UK doesn't have any morbidly obese people of their own they could've used?
not to the extreme levels of what you have.
However we have an "Obesity crisis" (still incomparable to you) and the country is trying to do something about it which is commendable.
Over the last 10 years, the country started with tackling schools to ensure nutritious meals are provided to children and Jamie Oliver is to salute for this. He started the trend.
Just today it was announced on the radio that all of the food retail businesses have a responsibility to reduce salt/sugar by 20% over the next 5 years. Good or bad, I don't know but it's an attempt to move forward.
..and there might be more but I am not versed on everything.
Also, we DONT use Americans as an example to motivate ourselves. We do have a growing concern here and there are several programs on TV that bring awareness to that using brits as an example.
However big and successful documentaries from the states do get aired here for educational/awareness.
There's certain things where the UK cannot compare itself to America and I will not deny it!
The ignorance and offensiveness of the bolded is just astounding.
Yes, our numbers are worse but they are in no way incomparable. America has an obesity problem just like most of the industrialized world but we're not a population made up exclusively of obese slobs like you continue to insinuate.
ETA: maybe you forgot this graphic from earlier in the thread
Just to break that down for you, overweight/obesity rates in the US vs UK are:
Men - 70.9% to 66.6%
Women - 61.9% to 57.2%
That's close enough that you'd not notice any difference between the two populations by living among them. You basically have to do a census in order to pick up on that small of a difference.
The most alarming thing about that chart is that only two countries strikingly stand out from the rest and it's the ones at the bottom, not at the top.
Having lived there for a time, appetite suppression via nicotine comes to mind...
Is interesting that we don't see much regression analysis of BMI and tobacco use.
Good observation!0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »The series Superfat to Superskinny was one. At least I think thats what it was called.
They took obese UK people over to the US and had them see Americans homhad been obese for years, were undergoing surgery and all the problems like, wheelchairs, special medical teams and beds for the obese etc.
It did seem to help th UK people get the motivation to lose weight before it got any worse.
The UK doesn't have any morbidly obese people of their own they could've used?
not to the extreme levels of what you have.
However we have an "Obesity crisis" (still incomparable to you) and the country is trying to do something about it which is commendable.
Over the last 10 years, the country started with tackling schools to ensure nutritious meals are provided to children and Jamie Oliver is to salute for this. He started the trend.
Just today it was announced on the radio that all of the food retail businesses have a responsibility to reduce salt/sugar by 20% over the next 5 years. Good or bad, I don't know but it's an attempt to move forward.
..and there might be more but I am not versed on everything.
Also, we DONT use Americans as an example to motivate ourselves. We do have a growing concern here and there are several programs on TV that bring awareness to that using brits as an example.
However big and successful documentaries from the states do get aired here for educational/awareness.
There's certain things where the UK cannot compare itself to America and I will not deny it!
The ignorance and offensiveness of the bolded is just astounding.
Yes, our numbers are worse but they are in no way incomparable. America has an obesity problem just like most of the industrialized world but we're not a population made up exclusively of obese slobs like you continue to insinuate.
ETA: maybe you forgot this graphic from earlier in the thread
Just to break that down for you, overweight/obesity rates in the US vs UK are:
Men - 70.9% to 66.6%
Women - 61.9% to 57.2%
That's close enough that you'd not notice any difference between the two populations by living among them. You basically have to do a census in order to pick up on that small of a difference.
The most alarming thing about that chart is that only two countries strikingly stand out from the rest and it's the ones at the bottom, not at the top.
Having lived there for a time, appetite suppression via nicotine comes to mind...
Do they smoke a lot in Japan and Korea?0 -
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