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BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because it is important knowledge to have that will not only help them on their current journey, but also help them to keep the weight off in the future.
If they are on "X" diet, and don't understand the mechanics behind why they're losing weight, they may revert back to old eating habits once "X" diet is complete and gain the weight back.
And anyway, why would knowledge ever be a bad thing?
As an academic I will wholeheartedly say it's not. But when someone is struggling on a plan they decided to start (which is very hard for some) and they ask a question in reference to aforementioned plan the last thing they need is someone saying "why cut it out? It's all cico"
It's not helpful or useful and it's disheartening (and annoying) to the person asking the question, on the structured plan they chose to start.
You're projecting your feelings on to others.
It's not disheartening and annoying to everyone. To some? Maybe. But that's where common sense comes in - take the advice that you want/need and ignore what you don't. It isn't that hard. If my advice helps others, then it's worth annoying a few, I suppose.7 -
BiomedDent wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because knowledge is power? It's not like we're trying to teach them about brain surgery or anything.
But it's not useful to them at the moment they ask a question about the plan they chose to start and are potentially struggling with. Instead answer their question/give support/empathy/understanding.
Who gets to decide what is "useful" to the OP?3 -
People need to know CICO as much as they need to know eat less, move more. LOL.0
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BiomedDent wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because knowledge is power? It's not like we're trying to teach them about brain surgery or anything.
But it's not useful to them at the moment they ask a question about the plan they chose to start and are potentially struggling with. Instead answer their question/give support/empathy/understanding.
Also, if they're struggling with their current plan, why not let them see that there are other options? They don't HAVE to continue that plan if it's too difficult for them, or if they're hungry, or if their restricting is causing them to binge and then feel like a failure.
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endlessfall16 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »For the record I just think that sayingeat whatever you want/the only thing that matters is cico is simply over-simplified to the point of being untrue.
Of course technically if you stay under your calorie goal you'll lose weight BUT what you eat (your level of satiety, your energy level, etc) has an immense contribution to how difficult/ easy/sustainable it is.
It's on the same level as saying there's no such thing as a plateau/stall...you know perfectly well that all they mean os that their scale has stopped moving and they don't know why...or that muscle doesn't weigh more than fat...don't be ridiculous, its perfectly obvious that people assume you are comparing like volumes.
I think it's difficult to remember after seeing so many of the exact.same.ridiculous.question we forget that it's still new to the person asking it. They truly don't know and if the goal really is to help them than be welcoming and kind not snarky and sarcastic to amuse your friends.
I disagree very much...that was exactly what got me going. I had tried a few different diet plans over the years and always lasted about two weeks because all of them had me going from eating like X to eating like Y overnight or they were super restrictive, etc...I crashed and burned every single time.
When I figured out that I could eat what I was eating, just less, that was a big time start for me...it wasn't the end, just a start and something I was able to work with and evolve my diet from there. It made things very easy and made the transition to eating better much easier.
I think cwolfman is arguing a strawman.
ogt's saying examining one's satiety, level, etc. doesn't necessarily mean that he/she is suggesting that you should eat like X or in a restrictive way. wolfman leaps to a fallacy just to argue, ie strawman?
I agree with ogt on suggesting looking beyond simple cico. Hey, I got a brain and might as well put some intelligence into it as I do with everything else if I could. In fact my weight loss process was much easier than I anticipated, when I came up with an appetite-control category of food. I came up with meal timing that I won't have to avoid any social, family obligation. No need to mind calorie counting or rely on any app.
Uhhh...no...I don't think maybe you know what a strawman argument is...and I wasn't arguing...I was giving my personal experience. And you will note that I was disagreeing with the bolded print, not the whole of the post...
As with many people who diet, they think they need to eat X, Y, or Z or restrict this or that...I think that's plainly evident on pretty much a day to day basis...
I was simply stating that when I started here and I was told I could eat what I wanted, just less, the light bulb came on...it made things very easy just to eat what I was eating and focus on less and portions, etc...and then I made incremental changes from there. My diet is about 180* from where it was...it's been an evolutionary process.
I wasn't arguing with anyone, I was just disagreeing that "eat whatever you want, just less" isn't really an oversimplification...particularly not in the beginning when everything is confusing and you have a bunch of woo floating around in your head. I found it very beneficial...I wouldn't be where I am now had I not received that advice.
I don't really know what you're talking about with the whole strawman thing other than you really don't know what that means...
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snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because knowledge is power? It's not like we're trying to teach them about brain surgery or anything.
But it's not useful to them at the moment they ask a question about the plan they chose to start and are potentially struggling with. Instead answer their question/give support/empathy/understanding.
Who gets to decide what is "useful" to the OP?
Good point. I would think that decision belongs solely to the OP.
And the other element to keep in mind here is that for every person that asks a question, there are literally dozens more who are simply reading and learning.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because it is important knowledge to have that will not only help them on their current journey, but also help them to keep the weight off in the future.
If they are on "X" diet, and don't understand the mechanics behind why they're losing weight, they may revert back to old eating habits once "X" diet is complete and gain the weight back.
And anyway, why would knowledge ever be a bad thing?
As an academic I will wholeheartedly say it's not. But when someone is struggling on a plan they decided to start (which is very hard for some) and they ask a question in reference to aforementioned plan the last thing they need is someone saying "why cut it out? It's all cico"
It's not helpful or useful and it's disheartening (and annoying) to the person asking the question, on the structured plan they chose to start.
You're projecting your feelings on to others.
It's not disheartening and annoying to everyone. To some? Maybe. But that's where common sense comes in - take the advice that you want/need and ignore what you don't. It isn't that hard. If my advice helps others, then it's worth annoying a few, I suppose.
The annoyance and disheartening effect of saying "it's all cico" is the entire point of this thread
I, for one, couldn't care less how anyone loses weight. Do whatever works for you, but don't listen to those who aren't qualified, telling you what's right and wrong (unless,of course, you ask what could be wrong in the first place)
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BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
Actually, a lot of the people here who have achieved their goals have read a lot of research from people who do know what they're doing. People like Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald, James Krieger... just to name a few.
I can't tell you how much research I've read while I've done "what works for me", and a lot of it was linked here by those "muscly" men.
You're mistaken in your assumption that just because someone is offering an opinion from experience that the opinion isn't informed and based on research.9 -
BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because it is important knowledge to have that will not only help them on their current journey, but also help them to keep the weight off in the future.
If they are on "X" diet, and don't understand the mechanics behind why they're losing weight, they may revert back to old eating habits once "X" diet is complete and gain the weight back.
And anyway, why would knowledge ever be a bad thing?
As an academic I will wholeheartedly say it's not. But when someone is struggling on a plan they decided to start (which is very hard for some) and they ask a question in reference to aforementioned plan the last thing they need is someone saying "why cut it out? It's all cico"
It's not helpful or useful and it's disheartening (and annoying) to the person asking the question, on the structured plan they chose to start.
You're projecting your feelings on to others.
It's not disheartening and annoying to everyone. To some? Maybe. But that's where common sense comes in - take the advice that you want/need and ignore what you don't. It isn't that hard. If my advice helps others, then it's worth annoying a few, I suppose.
The annoyance and disheartening effect of saying "it's all cico" is the entire point of this thread
I, for one, couldn't care less how anyone loses weight. Do whatever works for you, but don't listen to those who aren't qualified, telling you what's right and wrong (unless,of course, you ask what could be wrong in the first place)
You're right, it's better to pay money for good dieting advice. However, since we're on a free site, you get what you get. By the way, you aren't one of those specialists that want to be paid, are you?3 -
BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because it is important knowledge to have that will not only help them on their current journey, but also help them to keep the weight off in the future.
If they are on "X" diet, and don't understand the mechanics behind why they're losing weight, they may revert back to old eating habits once "X" diet is complete and gain the weight back.
And anyway, why would knowledge ever be a bad thing?
As an academic I will wholeheartedly say it's not. But when someone is struggling on a plan they decided to start (which is very hard for some) and they ask a question in reference to aforementioned plan the last thing they need is someone saying "why cut it out? It's all cico"
It's not helpful or useful and it's disheartening (and annoying) to the person asking the question, on the structured plan they chose to start.
You're projecting your feelings on to others.
It's not disheartening and annoying to everyone. To some? Maybe. But that's where common sense comes in - take the advice that you want/need and ignore what you don't. It isn't that hard. If my advice helps others, then it's worth annoying a few, I suppose.
The annoyance and disheartening effect of saying "it's all cico" is the entire point of this thread
Don't see how you can say that's annoying and disheartening, though. It may be for you, so you can always skip over posts like that which seem to annoy you so.
For me, learning about the basics of CICO when I first came here was enlightening, eye-opening and likely saved me from becoming discouraged and annoyed at not being successful.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
Actually, a lot of the people here who have achieved their goals have read a lot of research from people who do know what they're doing. People like Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald, James Krieger... just to name a few.
I can't tell you how much research I've read while I've done "what works for me", and a lot of it was linked here by those "muscly" men.
You're mistaken in your assumption that just because someone is offering an opinion from experience that the opinion isn't informed and based on research.
Still doesn't make it scientifically/medically/dietitian accredited qualified I'm afraid. It makes it a very well formed opinion. That's it.
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endlessfall16 wrote: »People need to know CICO as much as they need to know eat less, move more. LOL.
Actually they do. More to the point, they need to know how to implement it.
The statistics for how badly people count calories are eye opening. Additionally, the nuances of it are not something most people have familiarity with. I had no idea of what a TDEE was or how variable it could be or even what mine would be until I came here.2 -
BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because it is important knowledge to have that will not only help them on their current journey, but also help them to keep the weight off in the future.
If they are on "X" diet, and don't understand the mechanics behind why they're losing weight, they may revert back to old eating habits once "X" diet is complete and gain the weight back.
And anyway, why would knowledge ever be a bad thing?
As an academic I will wholeheartedly say it's not. But when someone is struggling on a plan they decided to start (which is very hard for some) and they ask a question in reference to aforementioned plan the last thing they need is someone saying "why cut it out? It's all cico"
It's not helpful or useful and it's disheartening (and annoying) to the person asking the question, on the structured plan they chose to start.
You're projecting your feelings on to others.
It's not disheartening and annoying to everyone. To some? Maybe. But that's where common sense comes in - take the advice that you want/need and ignore what you don't. It isn't that hard. If my advice helps others, then it's worth annoying a few, I suppose.
The annoyance and disheartening effect of saying "it's all cico" is the entire point of this thread
I, for one, couldn't care less how anyone loses weight. Do whatever works for you, but don't listen to those who aren't qualified, telling you what's right and wrong (unless,of course, you ask what could be wrong in the first place)
But if one is operating under the belief that everybody here is unqualified and don't know the first thing about what they're talking about, why would they ask a question in the first place? Seems to me that I wouldn't expect any useful advice from a pool of people who I thought knew nothing about the topic at hand.10 -
BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because it is important knowledge to have that will not only help them on their current journey, but also help them to keep the weight off in the future.
If they are on "X" diet, and don't understand the mechanics behind why they're losing weight, they may revert back to old eating habits once "X" diet is complete and gain the weight back.
And anyway, why would knowledge ever be a bad thing?
As an academic I will wholeheartedly say it's not. But when someone is struggling on a plan they decided to start (which is very hard for some) and they ask a question in reference to aforementioned plan the last thing they need is someone saying "why cut it out? It's all cico"
It's not helpful or useful and it's disheartening (and annoying) to the person asking the question, on the structured plan they chose to start.
You're projecting your feelings on to others.
It's not disheartening and annoying to everyone. To some? Maybe. But that's where common sense comes in - take the advice that you want/need and ignore what you don't. It isn't that hard. If my advice helps others, then it's worth annoying a few, I suppose.
The annoyance and disheartening effect of saying "it's all cico" is the entire point of this thread
I, for one, couldn't care less how anyone loses weight. Do whatever works for you, but don't listen to those who aren't qualified, telling you what's right and wrong (unless,of course, you ask what could be wrong in the first place)
But isn't the bolded why most people post? They either ask for opinions, or they are struggling or confused and ask for help, right? How is it not useful to tell them they don't have to struggle to follow a restrictive plan? How is it more helpful to give them nothing but suggestions on how to continue on a plan they are struggling with?
And where are all these threads where all anybody replies is "It's just CICO"? Can someone point me to one thread where the only replies someone got were just - It's all CICO?4 -
BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because it is important knowledge to have that will not only help them on their current journey, but also help them to keep the weight off in the future.
If they are on "X" diet, and don't understand the mechanics behind why they're losing weight, they may revert back to old eating habits once "X" diet is complete and gain the weight back.
And anyway, why would knowledge ever be a bad thing?
As an academic I will wholeheartedly say it's not. But when someone is struggling on a plan they decided to start (which is very hard for some) and they ask a question in reference to aforementioned plan the last thing they need is someone saying "why cut it out? It's all cico"
It's not helpful or useful and it's disheartening (and annoying) to the person asking the question, on the structured plan they chose to start.
You're projecting your feelings on to others.
It's not disheartening and annoying to everyone. To some? Maybe. But that's where common sense comes in - take the advice that you want/need and ignore what you don't. It isn't that hard. If my advice helps others, then it's worth annoying a few, I suppose.
The annoyance and disheartening effect of saying "it's all cico" is the entire point of this thread
I, for one, couldn't care less how anyone loses weight. Do whatever works for you, but don't listen to those who aren't qualified, telling you what's right and wrong (unless,of course, you ask what could be wrong in the first place)
So far in this thread, it honestly seems that the opinions similar to mine are more prevalent than the "everyone on these forums is mean" opinion. And ironically, the "everyone on the forums is mean" crowd are the ones who are generally the most argumentative.
So, yeah. Annoying and disheartening for a few.7 -
BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because it is important knowledge to have that will not only help them on their current journey, but also help them to keep the weight off in the future.
If they are on "X" diet, and don't understand the mechanics behind why they're losing weight, they may revert back to old eating habits once "X" diet is complete and gain the weight back.
And anyway, why would knowledge ever be a bad thing?
As an academic I will wholeheartedly say it's not. But when someone is struggling on a plan they decided to start (which is very hard for some) and they ask a question in reference to aforementioned plan the last thing they need is someone saying "why cut it out? It's all cico"
It's not helpful or useful and it's disheartening (and annoying) to the person asking the question, on the structured plan they chose to start.
You're projecting your feelings on to others.
It's not disheartening and annoying to everyone. To some? Maybe. But that's where common sense comes in - take the advice that you want/need and ignore what you don't. It isn't that hard. If my advice helps others, then it's worth annoying a few, I suppose.
The annoyance and disheartening effect of saying "it's all cico" is the entire point of this thread
I, for one, couldn't care less how anyone loses weight. Do whatever works for you, but don't listen to those who aren't qualified, telling you what's right and wrong (unless,of course, you ask what could be wrong in the first place)
But if one is operating under the belief that everybody here is unqualified and don't know the first thing about what they're talking about, why would they ask a question in the first place? Seems to me that I wouldn't expect any useful advice from a pool of people who I thought knew nothing about the topic at hand.
Oh opinions are great and anecdotal info is awesome. But what I thought OP was trying to say (or was annoyed with) was that these opinions are stated at inappropriate times when someone asks a question for e.g. About slim fast diets and then someone comes along to discredit the slim fast diet and say "it's all just cico anyway"0 -
BiomedDent wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
Actually, a lot of the people here who have achieved their goals have read a lot of research from people who do know what they're doing. People like Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald, James Krieger... just to name a few.
I can't tell you how much research I've read while I've done "what works for me", and a lot of it was linked here by those "muscly" men.
You're mistaken in your assumption that just because someone is offering an opinion from experience that the opinion isn't informed and based on research.
Still doesn't make it scientifically/medically/dietitian accredited qualified I'm afraid. It makes it a very well formed opinion. That's it.
Exactly---and that's what people are asking for.1 -
Anyway OP don't read them if you don't want to. It's just strangers on the internet.never let it get to you. Chin up! Keep doing what you're doing and I hope your weight loss journey goes swimmingly!
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BiomedDent wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because it is important knowledge to have that will not only help them on their current journey, but also help them to keep the weight off in the future.
If they are on "X" diet, and don't understand the mechanics behind why they're losing weight, they may revert back to old eating habits once "X" diet is complete and gain the weight back.
And anyway, why would knowledge ever be a bad thing?
As an academic I will wholeheartedly say it's not. But when someone is struggling on a plan they decided to start (which is very hard for some) and they ask a question in reference to aforementioned plan the last thing they need is someone saying "why cut it out? It's all cico"
It's not helpful or useful and it's disheartening (and annoying) to the person asking the question, on the structured plan they chose to start.
You're projecting your feelings on to others.
It's not disheartening and annoying to everyone. To some? Maybe. But that's where common sense comes in - take the advice that you want/need and ignore what you don't. It isn't that hard. If my advice helps others, then it's worth annoying a few, I suppose.
The annoyance and disheartening effect of saying "it's all cico" is the entire point of this thread
I, for one, couldn't care less how anyone loses weight. Do whatever works for you, but don't listen to those who aren't qualified, telling you what's right and wrong (unless,of course, you ask what could be wrong in the first place)
But if one is operating under the belief that everybody here is unqualified and don't know the first thing about what they're talking about, why would they ask a question in the first place? Seems to me that I wouldn't expect any useful advice from a pool of people who I thought knew nothing about the topic at hand.
Oh opinions are great and anecdotal info is awesome. But what I thought OP was trying to say (or was annoyed with) was that these opinions are stated at inappropriate times when someone asks a question for e.g. About slim fast diets and then someone comes along to discredit the slim fast diet and say "it's all just cico anyway"
The Slim Fast diet is crap, though. Why would we just virtually pat people on the head and say, "Good for you!" when it isn't? <confused>5 -
BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »BiomedDent wrote: »Do whatever works for you. It's better to do a plan/program and get out of dangerous weight bracket than to try CICO and not succeed because your mind ultimately needs the plan/program to follow to succeed.
Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
This always makes my eye twitch a little...all plans are CICO...CICO =/= calorie counting...it's an energy equation. I don't calorie count, so I have no issues with people following whatever plan really...some are better than others.
I know that all plans are essentially restricting calories in the end but some people need the structure of a plan to achieve a calorie deficit instead of just calorie counting from the off.
Some people can just simply log calories. Some people need a new structure plan like low carb, or slim fast etc etc
Excuse me--and who says that's bad?
Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....
Right, so SOME people need those structures.....so?
Yes like I said, some people need that. And that is fine. Re-read my posts and tell me where it says it's not okay
I think the confusion is coming from this statement:Lots of armchair dietitians/doctors on here. Do not listen to them. Even nutritionists are just glorified calorie counters.
Only genuine accurate diet advice can come from a dietitian and they will say-find what works for you and give you guidance.
If "Literally no one said that calorie counting or requiring structure/plans to do so is bad....", then why would you make a statement that essentially accuses people on this site of putting down those who require more structure?
It's putting everyone's "expert" opinion about calorie counting down-*Ahem* the henched men and women who think because they're muscly and achieved a goal that suddenly they know all about weight loss and nutrition ergo "it's all cico". They don't. They know what worked for them, and them only-they're entitled to opinions but not stating as fact and they're certainly not entitled to put those who need a structured plan down.
Everyone should do whatever works for them-whether that be structured plans or simply logging. And forget what all the self proclaimed "experts" on here say as they are not qualified to do so.
But...it *is* all CICO. Sure, there are different ways to achieve a calorie deficit, but understanding that weight loss boils down to a basic math equation is something that I feel like everyone trying to lose weight needs to understand.
If you need a structured eating plan, great. But I still think it's important to understand that none of us defy physics and any time we lose weight we are implementing CICO, no matter how we eat.
**Just to be clear, "CICO" is the energy equation, not necessarily "calorie counting."
Why do they need to understand It? If their plan (with out knowing it's cico) works why on earth do they need that information?
And more importantly why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to ram it down their throat?
Live and let live. If someone wants advice on their structured plan give it. Don't point out info they don't need instead of offering the info they requested.
Because you don't know her goals, and she might only get so far with something that is working without knowing how it works.
When I low carbed, my weight only ever dropped to 150, because that was the level where my appetite and the supposed control the way of eating would have over it evened out. I was still a good 20 pounds into the overweight category and far, far from where I wanted to be.
I was horribly frustrated by that turn of events and thought, well whaddya know, another "diet" that doesn't work. If I had understood the basics of CICO, I could have achieved my goals.4
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