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"You can eat whaver you want, as long as you eat at a deficit" is true, but it's garbage advice.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
I wouldn't consider an open/closed diary the ultimate barometer of someone's advice, necessarily.
I'd agree with this. I had an open diary when losing, but at maintenance I rarely log, sometimes I log to plan and forget to delete things, and sometimes I log half days. I got some comments about undereating (when my problem was if anything the opposite, LOL) and decided it was dumb to keep it open when not logging consistently, so I did not.
To some extent judgy comments about "processed foods" make me not want my diary commented on either, even though that's probably silly because my idea of processed foods seem to be somewhat different than the people on a high horse about it (I'd say cheese and greek yogurt from Fage and smoked salmon and dried pasta, and canned tomatoes, etc. are obviously processed), but I know I can get overly scrupulous about such things too easily and found myself falling into it again, so closed my diary to stop it.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
Until 2012, many fast food chains added 'pink slime' to their burgers. http://www.snopes.com/food/prepare/msm.asp
I stopped eating fast food burgers after seeing the ammonia factory in 'Food, Inc.' I am not interested in eating meat that is processed in such a way that it needs ammonia to make it safe. "This is not a health issue," said Bill Marler, a prominent food safety lawyer. "This is an 'I'm grossed out by this' issue."
I agree with you in general that homemade burgers are better than fast food burgers. Had a bite of my OH's BK burger due to threads like this and didn't even seem like the same food to me.
However, in the interest of buying humanely raised beef, I have experimented with various brands of hamburger that comes vacuum-sealed and they range from "can only use in enchiladas" to "am going to give the rest of the package to my mother to feed to her dog."
So, I have to drive a little farther to find hamburger that is both humanely raised and freshly ground, which makes a big difference in taste.
And if I want to drive farther and spend more money I will get a burger made from wagyu ground beef. OMG, is this delish!
So for 5 years that's not the case? I'm talking about current food standards, given they are ever changing and really with ever more critical consumers despite rising obesity, for the better. To say the burger I made at home today (I didn't FYI, maybe later in the week!) is better than one from 5 years ago isn't really a fair comparison to make.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Gosh I suck at rage quitting.
Thank goodness:)5 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »
Why not? I managed a Domino's pizza for years and we used the same things I use to make my pizzas at home. I never understood fast food shaming.
Because it tastes yucky lol0 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »
That does not look appetizing at all, but that's the beauty of differences. What you may like I may not but I will not say that it isn't food or any of the other things I have heard about various fast food places.
Looks amazingly delicious to me, but one must admit it's not the best photo. Food photography is an art.2 -
diannethegeek wrote: »
I tried to flounce once. It didn't stick.
I'm happy about that. I've been here 8 months and I appreciated some of the threads you bumped!1 -
Great for you to already make healthy choices and only having to worry about portion control. You are an exception to the rule. It is unfortunate that you don't recognize that others may have to learn to make healthy choices as well as portion control. I think it is ridiculous to assume that everyone struggling with weight really like healthy food, just because you did. I don't understand the purpose of debating the merit in making healthy choices or what constitutes healthy choices, since that is why many choose to come to MFP in the first place. For some making healthy choices is easy, for others it is a huge undertaking and may require changing the way they approach food. So for the latter group, eating what they want when they want, might not be the best advice.
Except that's still not necessarily true either. Eating what I want when I want was exactly what helped me to start making healthier choices because while most of the time I ate "junk" when I was at my heaviest, it wasn't really because I enjoyed the food that much, it was stress eating and not really what I wanted. I never really thought about what I wanted to eat. I ate what was there. And on top of that, I know now that I DO have to eat under my calorie goal to lose weight and what I want now is food that is tasty and satiating to me. That's really my only two requirements. I vaguely try and hit my protein goal but I don't stress about it. But to hit those two requirements, I added in some veggies and fruit and lean protein because they make me more satiated and they are still tasty to me. But I'm not also not binging because I can have some chocolate or whatever if I want it. I learned to eat healthier because I'm eating what I want when I want.4 -
I did look through the boards quite a bit, and read through long series of posts without posting. I guess basically it's different for me than for veterans because I am currently a newbie here, so I know the effect that posts have on new people who are reading them. I'm just giving that perspective. Several other relatively new members have made similar comments to mine (ETA: I just reviewed the discussion and I count at least 5), so I know I'm not the only one. I'm genuinely trying to be helpful and give a perspective that people may not have thought about since they haven't been in our shoes for a while. I hope that answers the question and is helpful.
Well...I am not a newbie but neither am I a member of the veterans but here is what I think.
I don't depend on others to tell me much...I research. It is after all my weight and health so I don't depend on an internet stranger for advice.
What I did use the forums for when I first came here was a guide in to what to research. I researched it all...different diet plans...ways of eating...exercising...etc...etc.
I eventually found a hand full of people that I fairly well trusted their advice but even then I still...researched. I also experimented a lot...tried different things, foods, types of exercise until I found what works for me.
This may sound unkind but if you just take advice from some random person on the internet without doing your own research then what do you expect? People need to put in the work to accomplish their goals and not depend on other people to tell them what or how to do it...my opinion only.
The other thing is...I don't look for approval on how I eat or whether I moderate or eliminate. It is after all my choice. If I make a wrong choice I have no one to blame but myself and I can always change those wrong choices.
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pish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this made me chuckle, it's a sweary word in Scottish so should technically have the *kitten* treatment.
Is now the time to disclose I ate 4 cream cakes tonight within my calories?5 -
I get where the OP is coming from. You can lose if you eat what you want and stay within your calorie goals, but do you have the will power to eat what you want within moderation. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. As an emotional eater, some foods are very difficult for me to have in moderation. So I have to recognize, that when I am going through stressful times, I will likely not eat just 3 cookies. So best to avoid them altogether.
Also, I don't think there is anything wrong with adopting healthier habits, which may include limiting or eliminating foods that have very little health benefits. Better to do it now, then later when you are faced with many ailments that you have no choice. My mother has congestive heart failure and I'm her caretaker. She is allowed, 2000 mg of sodium a day, that virtually eliminates all processed foods. She is also diabetic so sugar must also be monitored. It isn't easy preparing her food. She still wants crap, but it isn't an option for her now. She is not overweight, but has been at different points in her life. As someone coming from a family with a history of heart disease and diabetes, it is about more than just calories.
Your view is different from OP though because you are being reasonable. OP simply said it is a lie and impossible. No. It may be impossible for the OP, but some people have better self-control. It works best for some of us. Everyone is different. You were polite and reasonable, showing both sides.1 -
Verity1111 wrote: »
Because it tastes yucky lol
Meh *shrug* To each their own. Different strokes and all that jazz.2 -
Sorry, but you lost me "not all people". Please do not try to speak for others when you clearly do not know what situation they are coming from to start their weight loss journey. That assumption is a logical fallacy that may be harmful to others just starting out. Your opinion is from a place of frustration, and a lack of experience with self-control.
Admittedly, I laughed at the notions presented in the forums regarding calorie goals, "if it fits", calorie deficit, and even logging food based on its actual weight, and not the whole "1 pack" crap. It seemed almost too simple. But, after finally putting two and two together regarding how and what I ate, and how the calorie deficit affected my weekly weight, I'm convinced it works for me.
Since joining MFP, I've finally lost close to 20 lbs. eating food I enjoy (home cooked/baked goods, fresh fruits and veggies, the occasional sweet). I've also recognized there are foods I do not need or want easy access to because they are simply not worth the calories.
For the past 10 years, I've weighed the same, with some fluctuations trying restrictive and disordered approaches to food. I was also raised to think that dieting meant heavy restrictions and complicated plans. This background meant I had absolutely no mental tools to become successful in being healthy.
While we are learning, we may go through resistance and anger towards new ways of doing things and thinking about ourselves. But, we have the opportunity to grow and learn even more. There are many diet plans discussed in the forum boards. If you feel something you are doing is better, then that's great. Share your tips and experiences without trashing existing advice provided to everyone. If you are logging meals on the website, you'll probably eventually catch on to the pattern in regards to a calorie deficit. Give it some time and good luck!13 -
Looks amazingly delicious to me, but one must admit it's not the best photo. Food photography is an art.
So is cooking lol.4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
It is, but it's still true.
Noooo! It's "Better Ingredients, Better Pizza - Papa John's." :P0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Until 2012, many fast food chains added 'pink slime' to their burgers. http://www.snopes.com/food/prepare/msm.asp
As that Snopes link should make clear, "pink slime" is simply beef that's difficult to separate from the carcass by other means. It's actually good, old-fashioned economy, harking back to the days when people would make sure to use the entire animal they slaughtered, wasting nothing.
Calling it "pink slime" makes it sound unappetizing but in essence it's no different from other ground beef, although since its fat composition is different it's going to have a different flavor profile.12 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
The truth about what people are really eating. Not falsely claiming they eat WHATEVER they want, WHENEVER they want...
No one is falsely claiming that. As everyone keeps saying WHATEVER we want WHENEVER we want WITHIN our calorie goals. You keep leaving that out. Although some days it is literally whatever I want.3 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
The truth about what people are really eating. Not falsely claiming they eat WHATEVER they want, WHENEVER they want...
I eat whatever I want, whenever I want, as long as it fits in my calorie goal. That is my truth. And so far I have found it works for me. I am not sure how anyone can claim my truth is not the truth, at least for me.3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
A piece of deep dish Lou Malnati's is 232 calories? I would have thought any deep dish Chicago style pizza would be much higher. A slice of Domino's pizza is roughly 200 calories, then plus whatever toppings someone adds...
Yeah, I was seriously shocked when I saw that (and am a little skeptical), although the pieces aren't that large. Giordano's is more like 500, but cut bigger--I used to have 2 slices of that back in the day, would typically have one now, although maybe with a thin slice too (I don't really like Giordano's enough to justify the calories but it's an easy no meat option so we get it at work at least a couple of Lenten Fridays for Friday work lunch).
(My counts are both no meat since that's what I prefer with deep dish, usually.)
Lou's varies on the size of pizza since it affects the size of the slices. (I tend to assume more when I have Pequod's, more like Giordano's, but sadly they don't have calorie counts.)2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »
So is cooking lol.
Indeed. But any dish can be made to look unappetizing if it's photographed poorly, including yours. And nearly all amateur food photography is poor.2 -
To me the bottom line is simply...you have to find what works best for you! I know that if I forbid or totally ban some foods, I will eventually give up. But by figuring out how to include them in a healthy diet, I have lost 85 pounds and am continuing to work at it. I'm at the stage now where it is coming off very slowly (I'm short and have just 20 pounds to go), but I am happy and most importantly...have not gained anything back. For some people, it may be that they simply cannot include some foods in their diet and for others, we can control how much of other foods we eat to enjoy our favorites. I will say that I do like some vegetables and fruits now, better than I did before!2
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VintageFeline wrote: »
this made me chuckle, it's a sweary word in Scottish so should technically have the *kitten* treatment.
Is now the time to disclose I ate 4 cream cakes tonight within my calories?
I put cinnamon chips and ovaltine powder in my oatmeal this morning, and just finished 2 Peeps Oreos and a Cherry Coke Zero. My tongue is pink, and I can feel the ailments growing inside of me. It kind of tickles
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Great for you to already make healthy choices and only having to worry about portion control. You are an exception to the rule. It is unfortunate that you don't recognize that others may have to learn to make healthy choices as well as portion control. I think it is ridiculous to assume that everyone struggling with weight really like healthy food, just because you did. I don't understand the purpose of debating the merit in making healthy choices or what constitutes healthy choices, since that is why many choose to come to MFP in the first place. For some making healthy choices is easy, for others it is a huge undertaking and may require changing the way they approach food. So for the latter group, eating what they want when they want, might not be the best advice.
I don't think anyone is debating the merit of making healthy choices...I'd say the vast majority of us make healthy choices and have had to make changes to our diets.
That said, I've been here 4.5 years roughly...I've never seen anyone go the all or nothing route and have long term success...they're usually "on and off the wagon" and make themselves miserable and ultimately do nothing in the end...
I think it's also pretty interesting that the vast majority of people posting here about including things in moderation and taking a bit more of a relaxed dietary approach also happen to be long term veterans of the site and have had a lot of success both in losing weight and maintaining weight long term...but yeah, we don't know what the hell we're talking about and just give *kitten* advice.9 -
Indeed. But any dish can be made to look unappetizing if it's photographed poorly, including yours. And nearly all amateur food photography is poor.
Or it could just be poorly cooked. How does one really know? *shrug* Either way not my cup of tea.0 -
I thought "you" was referring to us, the new people who were new and might be confused. Thus all the talk about what advice people were going to be giving us. E.g., I thought that's what he was getting at, anyway.
But for many of us it IS helpful.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »
this made me chuckle, it's a sweary word in Scottish so should technically have the *kitten* treatment.
Is now the time to disclose I ate 4 cream cakes tonight within my calories?
Pish!!! I had pecan pie for breakfast(homemade) and im good too!3 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
Oh sooooooo now we want to get so technical to the last detail that you want to indicate what the MFP guidelines are. Interesting..so why can people not be slightly more technical in their advice to people and say that yes I eat junk food, but if I examine the food I eat on a day to day...I generally eat good food to lose weight.
I am completely ok to correct myself and say that an 'obligation' was the wrong term that I used when saying that people are obligated to tell the truth. I SHOULD have said people should be more RESPONSIBLE in saying what they eat to lose weight. Saying that 'I eat WHATEVER I want' is actually misleading. If we want to get all technical...
You started with the technicalities about "whatever", I am just building off of that. But basically with the standard on language you wanted set there is no way to give good advice.
Honestly I find your example of technically correct sound advice confusing still. My truth is that I probably do not eat what most consider "good food" on a daily basis. The problem here being what is the definition of "good food"is. Yet another thing that varies widely. But I consider a wider variety of foods good than most so I am content with my intake.2 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
Pish!!! I had pecan pie for breakfast(homemade) and im good too!
No really, you've all got to stop using pish instead of just psh without the "i" because I am reading it so very differently to you.
"Variation of piss, most usually used in the north (particularly Scotland).
stop talking pish
ach, pish!
what a bundle of pish."4 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »
That's what she said.
I actually thought that when I was writing it...Lol...3
There is a plethora, an absolute cornucopia, an OVERABUNDANCE, of information about what people here do, don't, sometimes, always, never, only on the full moon, eat. They're under no obligation to list it in every post.
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