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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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Counting calories isn't sustainable and can lead to ED22
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cmriverside wrote: »This whole argument ties into my belief that there are two kinds of people in the world. Victims and Just-Get-On-With-It types.
eh, i'm a qa analyst by profession, so i see two types of people as well: those who identify things so that they can be fixed, and those who think 'doesn't happen on my machine' proves something doesn't exist.17 -
clicketykeys wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I'd actually argue there's an over-emphasis on eating clean and all veg and lean meat etc. That's an insurmountable and miserable sounding life for a lot of people. You see it all the time when people talk about dieting and all the salads they have to eat or memes about eating bacon or being skinny.
So actually, being told you don't have to live on steamed fish and broccoli for the rest of your days is MORE helpful than being told to eat your veg.
I don't know how unpopular it actually is, but I tend to be very quiet about encouraging patients on chemo to eat whatever the hell makes them feel good. Yes, getting the right nutrition is important, but priority #1 is being able to make it through the chemo. If that healthy lentil soup turns your stomach and you want a Twinkie, eat the damn Twinkie. Eat things (and, by extension, DO things) that make you look forward to getting better.
Lol this was the point of the pregnant women earlier upthread... As the MFP turns.2 -
thickspo91 wrote: »Counting calories isn't sustainable and can lead to ED
I don't see how it's any different than counting your money.8 -
thickspo91 wrote: »Counting calories isn't sustainable and can lead to ED
Counting calories is a tool, how you use it is up to you. Counting calories does not lead to eating disorder, having an eating disorder leads to the misuse of various perfectly normal tools.20 -
canadianlbs wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »This whole argument ties into my belief that there are two kinds of people in the world. Victims and Just-Get-On-With-It types.
eh, i'm a qa analyst by profession, so i see two types of people as well: those who identify things so that they can be fixed, and those who think 'doesn't happen on my machine' proves something doesn't exist.
Talk about taking things out of context.0 -
canadianlbs wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »This whole argument ties into my belief that there are two kinds of people in the world. Victims and Just-Get-On-With-It types.
eh, i'm a qa analyst by profession, so i see two types of people as well: those who identify things so that they can be fixed, and those who think 'doesn't happen on my machine' proves something doesn't exist.
You're ignoring a type of person.
The "it annoys me so it's not working as intended"3 -
thickspo91 wrote: »Counting calories isn't sustainable and can lead to ED
1) How do you define "sustainable"? I'm currently at a 1,492-day logging streak (actually logging my diet, not just accessing this site), I (and countless others on MFP with long streaks) would suggest that this qualifies as a sustainable habit.
2) Calorie counting is simply accumulating data in order to allow for objective decision making on nutrition, instead of winging it. If this causes an ED, then the process has been unhealthily distorted as a result of preexisting eating-oriented emotional/psychological conditions with the person counting calories, and not a byproduct of the process.7 -
thickspo91 wrote: »Counting calories isn't sustainable and can lead to ED
Lol no ...0 -
thickspo91 wrote: »Counting calories isn't sustainable and can lead to ED
Just take the blue pill if you have problems with ED.12 -
stanmann571 wrote: »canadianlbs wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »This whole argument ties into my belief that there are two kinds of people in the world. Victims and Just-Get-On-With-It types.
eh, i'm a qa analyst by profession, so i see two types of people as well: those who identify things so that they can be fixed, and those who think 'doesn't happen on my machine' proves something doesn't exist.
You're ignoring a type of person.
The "it annoys me so it's not working as intended"
Or those who didn't expect that someone would intentionally design it to be annoying.4 -
thickspo91 wrote: »Counting calories isn't sustainable and can lead to ED
It is sustainable but yes for some is could lead to an eating disorder....but I believe that if it does than they would have formed that ED anyway.3 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'd love to see how cavalier the "life ain't fair" attitudes displayed in this thread would be to this whole workplace ish if we had a matriarchal society that deferred to women and the gender norms were reversed.
Well, you see, the problem isn't the things the mansplainers are doing, the problem is that we are calling the things they are doing "mansplaining".
The problem is you're pretending those things are being done because you're a woman.
They happen to men just as often.
I have a friend who has transitioned from woman to man. He says that there is considerable difference in the way people treat him now. He is immediately afforded more respect in many different aspects of his life. Perhaps your lack of understanding stems from lack of experience.
hmm I find this interesting.
I am ex military and I was the 8th woman in my trade in the military in the country (same country as the parts technician) and I actually didn't run into much mansplaining...
I don't now either...
As for your friend yes he probably is...but then there are parts where he is afforded less.
For example as a woman I am a soft place for my child to run to and hug when they are hurt etc not the dad...just saying...
I sometimes think because some people "anticipate" things they see it where it might not be....I have often said you look hard enough and you will find an issue....
I'm not talking about mansplaining (a term I actually haven't used, until this post, and never in real life), the point was more regarding this assertion that men are treated no different from women. Which I disagree with. I think that both men and women are guilty of it, which is why I don't necessarily agree with the term mansplaining. I do find some of this conversation challenging to read through though because it has been very dismissive (I'm not referring to your post).
I agree wholeheartedly with the statement in bold.
Absolutely, some men are dismissive of women's input/ideas/advice/etc. but I've absolutely experienced it from women toward myself as a man, as well (I've also been disregarded due to being single before I was married and also because I don't have children, both in cases where my status had nothing to do with the situation).
The term "mansplaining" insinuates two things:
1) Only men do it and 2) all men do it because they are men.
These insinuations are just as sexist as the affronts being offered up in this thread.
ETA, I've also witnessed women being dismissive of other women so it's safe to say that the biases/expectations set upon us by our culture/society are not limited to interactions between opposing sexes (it's not a man thing to expect the mechanic to be a man).11 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »stormcrow2 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Not literally :P
I guess I don't understand how someone who understands how much energy their body needs and consistently consumes that amount of energy is still a fatty on the inside. I became fat because I disregarded how much energy my body needed. Adjusting that changed the situation. But you're arguing that if I don't meet certain nutritional standards (as determined by you), I might still be considered fat?
sounds like he is making the mythical connection that anyone who says it is OK to eat within your calories and you will still lose weight, is advocating for a diet of 100% oreos, or something...
I want this mythical 100% Oreo diet.
Here's a menu!
14 Oreos (one packet) for breakfast
14 Oreos (one packet) for lunch
14 Oreos (one packet) for dinner
Total: 2226 calories
Nutritional information
Fat: 992.4g
of which saturates: 46.2g
Carbohydrate: 319.2g
of which sugars: 172.2g
Fibre: 12.6g
Protein 21g
Salt: 4.2g
but its low sodium.
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stormcrow2 wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »stormcrow2 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Not literally :P
I guess I don't understand how someone who understands how much energy their body needs and consistently consumes that amount of energy is still a fatty on the inside. I became fat because I disregarded how much energy my body needed. Adjusting that changed the situation. But you're arguing that if I don't meet certain nutritional standards (as determined by you), I might still be considered fat?
sounds like he is making the mythical connection that anyone who says it is OK to eat within your calories and you will still lose weight, is advocating for a diet of 100% oreos, or something...
I want this mythical 100% Oreo diet.
Here's a menu!
14 Oreos (one packet) for breakfast
14 Oreos (one packet) for lunch
14 Oreos (one packet) for dinner
Total: 2226 calories
Nutritional information
Fat: 992.4g
of which saturates: 46.2g
Carbohydrate: 319.2g
of which sugars: 172.2g
Fibre: 12.6g
Protein 21g
Salt: 4.2g
but its low sodium.
Fixed it
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I finally have a place to say this
Not all calories are equal. Calories from a hot fudge brownie sundae is going to affect your body differently than equivalent amount of calories from broccoli and a nice piece of steak. one is going to satiate and make you energized the other will leave you hungry and lethargic. The whole world knows this (even if they don't practice it) but you get death threats if you express this on MFP. So that is my "unpopular health/fitness opinion" wow that feels good. LOL 26 -
I finally have a place to say thisNot all calories are equal. Calories from a hot fudge brownie sundae is going to affect your body differently than equivalent amount of calories from broccoli and a nice piece of steak. one is going to satiate and make you energized the other will leave you hungry and lethargic. The whole world knows this (even if they don't practice it) but you get death threats if you express this on MFP. So that is my "unpopular health/fitness opinion" wow that feels good. LOL
You're confusing calories with nutrition.25 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Not literally :P
Spiritually fatty on the inside because yummy food is sinful. Perfectly healthy in body but poor in spirit for indulging in the carnal pleasures of delicious eating, fouling your chakras and spiritual bowels by abstaining from a bland diet of cauliflower pizzas.15 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »stormcrow2 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Not literally :P
I guess I don't understand how someone who understands how much energy their body needs and consistently consumes that amount of energy is still a fatty on the inside. I became fat because I disregarded how much energy my body needed. Adjusting that changed the situation. But you're arguing that if I don't meet certain nutritional standards (as determined by you), I might still be considered fat?
sounds like he is making the mythical connection that anyone who says it is OK to eat within your calories and you will still lose weight, is advocating for a diet of 100% oreos, or something...
I want this mythical 100% Oreo diet.
Here's a menu!
14 Oreos (one packet) for breakfast
14 Oreos (one packet) for lunch
14 Oreos (one packet) for dinner
Total: 2226 calories
Nutritional information
Fat: 992.4g
of which saturates: 46.2g
Carbohydrate: 319.2g
of which sugars: 172.2g
Fibre: 12.6g
Protein 21g
Salt: 4.2g
Haha just have to ask, not to say this was ever recommended or ever happened, so both sides are equally an educated guess; but do you think this would result in equal FAT loss if compared to a balanced and more nutrient dense diet with less sugar, more protein and less fat, but with the exact same calorie intake? How about weight loss?
Fat loss, specifically? No, because a diet higher in protein would (assuming a progressive lifting routine) prevent muscle loss, resulting in a greater proportion of weight loss to be from fat.
Weight loss in general? Yes. Weight loss/gain/maintenance is determined solely by energy balance (science).
More/less sugar and more/less fat have no bearing on whether there would be a difference in weight OR fat loss from one diet to another.1 -
I finally have a place to say thisNot all calories are equal. Calories from a hot fudge brownie sundae is going to affect your body differently than equivalent amount of calories from broccoli and a nice piece of steak. one is going to satiate and make you energized the other will leave you hungry and lethargic. The whole world knows this (even if they don't practice it) but you get death threats if you express this on MFP. So that is my "unpopular health/fitness opinion" wow that feels good. LOL
@Rivers2k Did you truly get death threats on this board for expressing that? That's something I'd take very seriously. Deets?
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