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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
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How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
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VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Beat me to it. Pretty sure that a cheese Lasagna is still Lasagna... May not be Sicilian, but....3 -
stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Beat me to it. Pretty sure that a cheese Lasagna is still Lasagna... May not be Sicilian, but....
Haha...
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poisonesse wrote: »Mine is that CICO isn't always a firm rule. You diet all your life, constantly going from one plan to another, you lose, you gain, you lose, you gain... and then you hit your elderly years. Guess what? CICO no longer rules like it did when you were younger. Your body has gotten used to your fickle ways, and now will turn every bite that enters your mouth into fat, because it KNOWS you're going to starve it again. Getting the weight to finally start to melt from an elderly, slowed down metabolism can be pure HELL! So there ya go, that's my unpopular opinion.
I've been dieting off and on since I was 13 years old.
I started here on MFP when I was 52 at 210 pounds. I weigh 120 now.
CICO still worked, even after menopause.
My body didn't get used to anything.
I'm 55 now and using CICO to drop some vanity weight. It's still working.12 -
stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Beat me to it. Pretty sure that a cheese Lasagna is still Lasagna... May not be Sicilian, but....
We always looked at that Sicilian side of our family kind of funny anyway.
My grandmother never put cheese in her lasagna. She said her mother only made it that way when she was married to her second husband (the Sicilian) then stopped when he died.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Beat me to it. Pretty sure that a cheese Lasagna is still Lasagna... May not be Sicilian, but....
We always looked at that Sicilian side of our family kind of funny anyway.
My grandmother never put cheese in her lasagna. She said her mother only made it that way when she was married to her second husband (the Sicilian) then stopped when he died.
According to Wikipedia, and I haven't dug through the sources, Lasagna is Neapolitan and was originally meatless.7 -
cmriverside wrote: »I'm elderly, sort of. 63.
I think 63 stopped being "sort of...elderly" a half-century ago. My mother's 71-year-old ex-boyfriend just started Crossfit!
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VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.4 -
poisonesse wrote: »Mine is that CICO isn't always a firm rule. You diet all your life, constantly going from one plan to another, you lose, you gain, you lose, you gain... and then you hit your elderly years. Guess what? CICO no longer rules like it did when you were younger. Your body has gotten used to your fickle ways, and now will turn every bite that enters your mouth into fat, because it KNOWS you're going to starve it again. Getting the weight to finally start to melt from an elderly, slowed down metabolism can be pure HELL! So there ya go, that's my unpopular opinion.
I hope I live to be old enough to outgrow the laws of physics. I'm 55 and they still seem to apply to me. In other news, if I jump out of a tree, I still fall to the ground. So as I get older, that won't happen either?13 -
poisonesse wrote: »Mine is that CICO isn't always a firm rule. You diet all your life, constantly going from one plan to another, you lose, you gain, you lose, you gain... and then you hit your elderly years. Guess what? CICO no longer rules like it did when you were younger. Your body has gotten used to your fickle ways, and now will turn every bite that enters your mouth into fat, because it KNOWS you're going to starve it again. Getting the weight to finally start to melt from an elderly, slowed down metabolism can be pure HELL! So there ya go, that's my unpopular opinion.
I hope I live to be old enough to outgrow the laws of physics. I'm 55 and they still seem to apply to me. In other news, if I jump out of a tree, I still fall to the ground. So as I get older, that won't happen either?
I'm 66 and I'm still waiting.....8 -
Opinion: If you have enough energy to argue anout &@&$;/, then you have not done enough BURPEES.10
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kristen8000 wrote: »I think protein powder is a waste of money.
I'm tired of people acting like they HAVE to work out 6 days a week and starve themselves to lose weight. Sometimes it's as easy as removing a snack from your day and cutting out regular soda. Quit overthinking it.
I allow myself 1 diet coke EVERY DAY. I'm tired of people telling me it's bad for me. Go away.
I work out for beer. I walk longer for beer. I may even skip a meal for beer. Deal with it.
I'm tired of people telling me they are overweight/obese/fat because they LOVE FOOD. Seriously? You think I don't? Or their metabolisms broke, or this or that. It's excuses. Go away.
IF is cruel and unusual punishment.
I don't believe you can be obese and healthy.
The protein powder that I use (I probably have some 4 or 5 times a week) is cheaper per g protein than all meat sources of protein I can find. Only eggs and cottage cheese give me more protein per pence. But,then again, I suppose if you don't like the stuff, whatever the price is a waste of money.6 -
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Well, keeping kosher precludes blending meat and dairy, so the options are:- All-meat lasagne (I'm vegetarian, but I have a recipe I make for hubby)
- Cheese lasagne
- Using substitutes for one or the other or both, e.g. vegetarian ground 'beef'; Daiya 'cheese'
I fully own that having always been kosher, I've never tried the authentic version and have no clue what I'm missing. But the pale imitations are pretty darn tasty with a good marinara!4 -
64-yr old post menopausal woman with Hashimoto's hypothyroidism who lost 75 lbs and reached my goal weight.
CICO definitely worked for me.
Haven't jumped out of any trees lately, though.
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I believe that many people don't know the difference between an unpopular opinion and a misperception of reality.
I believe that most of the most vigorous debates on this thread result from confusion about opinion and fact/reality.14 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Beat me to it. Pretty sure that a cheese Lasagna is still Lasagna... May not be Sicilian, but....
We always looked at that Sicilian side of our family kind of funny anyway.
My grandmother never put cheese in her lasagna. She said her mother only made it that way when she was married to her second husband (the Sicilian) then stopped when he died.
Yeah I am familiar with that...2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Beat me to it. Pretty sure that a cheese Lasagna is still Lasagna... May not be Sicilian, but....
We always looked at that Sicilian side of our family kind of funny anyway.
My grandmother never put cheese in her lasagna. She said her mother only made it that way when she was married to her second husband (the Sicilian) then stopped when he died.
According to Wikipedia, and I haven't dug through the sources, Lasagna is Neapolitan and was originally meatless.
Oh I better not tell my Grandmother that...2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Beat me to it. Pretty sure that a cheese Lasagna is still Lasagna... May not be Sicilian, but....
We always looked at that Sicilian side of our family kind of funny anyway.
My grandmother never put cheese in her lasagna. She said her mother only made it that way when she was married to her second husband (the Sicilian) then stopped when he died.
According to Wikipedia, and I haven't dug through the sources, Lasagna is Neapolitan and was originally meatless.
Oh I better not tell my Grandmother that...
I hear that, My wife and by logical application my MIL are Sicilian.1 -
stanmann571 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Beat me to it. Pretty sure that a cheese Lasagna is still Lasagna... May not be Sicilian, but....
We always looked at that Sicilian side of our family kind of funny anyway.
My grandmother never put cheese in her lasagna. She said her mother only made it that way when she was married to her second husband (the Sicilian) then stopped when he died.
According to Wikipedia, and I haven't dug through the sources, Lasagna is Neapolitan and was originally meatless.
Oh I better not tell my Grandmother that...
She probably knows but she may tell you that just because the Napolitans invented it Doesn't mean they did it right. Half Sicilian, half Calabrese here.6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »64-yr old post menopausal woman with Hashimoto's hypothyroidism who lost 75 lbs and reached my goal weight.
CICO definitely worked for me.
Haven't jumped out of any trees lately, though.
35 year old (there's people who proclaim it's so much harder to lose at 30) sedentary aside from purposeful exercise but currently laid up with hip problems, also on psych meds ermagherd the gainz but have lost 63lbs so far. If I'm not losing it's because i'm eating at maintenance deliberately or sloppy with logging.7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole
Ooh, thanks for the link! I have some new recipes to try.
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VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole
Ooh, thanks for the link! I have some new recipes to try.
Make sure to do one with dumplings because they are beyond delicious.2 -
poisonesse wrote: »Mine is that CICO isn't always a firm rule. You diet all your life, constantly going from one plan to another, you lose, you gain, you lose, you gain... and then you hit your elderly years. Guess what? CICO no longer rules like it did when you were younger. Your body has gotten used to your fickle ways, and now will turn every bite that enters your mouth into fat, because it KNOWS you're going to starve it again. Getting the weight to finally start to melt from an elderly, slowed down metabolism can be pure HELL! So there ya go, that's my unpopular opinion.
Decades of non-muscle-sparing extreme-deficit yo-yo dieting can certainly take a toll on our CO via a down-spiral of adaptive thermogenesis. This has been particularly easy to fall into, in a culture that has valued women for thinness more than for strength (especially in our younger years), and emphasized (sometimes abusive) standards of beauty over health.
I'm sorry to hear that that's where you find yourself now. It's sadly common.
The good news is that it's not too late. We can demonstrably increase strength well into into our 80s, and stand a chance of reversing at least some of that adaptation, which has the side benefit of enhancing bone strength, improving the sense of balance and coordination that helps prevent life-changing falls, and yes, even looking better as a result.
(Is there an unpopular opinion in there somewhere? We'll see . . . .
(P.S. I'm 61. I suspect one reason my NEAT is higher than it "should" be is that I was stupidly fat and happy for decades while other women my age were conscientiously VLCD-ing repeatedly.)
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CICO may rule, but my CO at 53 is dramatically different (much lower) than it was at 23 and I certainly move and exercise much more at 53.
At 23 I had a desk job, rode to work, watched TV and or read books any evening/weekend I wasn't socializing- and at that time for me socializing mostly meant going to a restaurant. I ate 2400 calories daily and remained a healthy weight and had no regular exercise.
At 53 I swim 4-5 hours a week, take two or 3 hour long cardio classes, have just started strength training, walk at least 8000 steps a day, etc. I can eat only about 1400 to 1500 cal or I gain weight. As I said CICO may rule but the CO has changed markedly.7 -
poisonesse wrote: »Mine is that CICO isn't always a firm rule. You diet all your life, constantly going from one plan to another, you lose, you gain, you lose, you gain... and then you hit your elderly years. Guess what? CICO no longer rules like it did when you were younger. Your body has gotten used to your fickle ways, and now will turn every bite that enters your mouth into fat, because it KNOWS you're going to starve it again. Getting the weight to finally start to melt from an elderly, slowed down metabolism can be pure HELL! So there ya go, that's my unpopular opinion.
Decades of non-muscle-sparing extreme-deficit yo-yo dieting can certainly take a toll on our CO via a down-spiral of adaptive thermogenesis. This has been particularly easy to fall into, in a culture that has valued women for thinness more than for strength (especially in our younger years), and emphasized (sometimes abusive) standards of beauty over health.
I'm sorry to hear that that's where you find yourself now. It's sadly common.
The good news is that it's not too late. We can demonstrably increase strength well into into our 80s, and stand a chance of reversing at least some of that adaptation, which has the side benefit of enhancing bone strength, improving the sense of balance and coordination that helps prevent life-changing falls, and yes, even looking better as a result.
(Is there an unpopular opinion in there somewhere? We'll see . . . .
(P.S. I'm 61. I suspect one reason my NEAT is higher than it "should" be is that I was stupidly fat and happy for decades while other women my age were conscientiously VLCD-ing repeatedly.)
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Well said.
About to turn 64 and my TDEE is very good for my age and size.
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When I first lost my weight - I'd say for the first four to six months afterward, I had to closely watch my calories and I had to keep them pretty low. Low to me is at Sedentary and Maintenance, which for me came to about 1450 calories. That was pretty accurate, too. I did gain a bit again trying to eat at a more comfortable (higher) calorie level.
Over time (like a year) I was able to increase my daily basic calorie goal up to 1800. I'm still at that level, in maintenance ten years later even though nothing else changed about my activity. And obviously I only got older by ten years. I believe I had some adaptive thermogenesis going on right after my weight loss - which I did at pretty low calorie - but that my hormones corrected over time and now I'm able to eat like a regular human being.
So I'm saying that if you just finished weight loss, give it some time at MFP maintenance and then play around with adding a couple hundred more calories to your daily goal in a couple months. You may be surprised.6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
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How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole
Ooh, thanks for the link! I have some new recipes to try.
Make sure to do one with dumplings because they are beyond delicious.
Mmm.. I do love a good dumpling. I'm leaning toward the beef stew with horseradish dumplings. Sounds like a great weekend dinner.
I guess I should dump an unpopular opinion in here somewhere... recipes should always be given in metric measurements. That's probably not unpopular enough though... how about, there's nothing wrong with eating something purely for the sake of enjoyment.8
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