What's the best diet or fitness advice you've ever heard?
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So how are you supposed to answer a very vague question without any information about the OP and why do yo u assume eat anything you want within your calories= eat only junk food10
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quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10662786/unhealthy-diet/p1
Here is a great example of why nutrition is important. This is why saying CICO is all that matters for weight loss.
I guess you must have somehow skipped over the posts talking about nutrition. Maybe if I quote one of them it will help you (I'll even bold part of it to make it easier for you):For weight loss, it doesn't matter. A calorie deficit creates weight loss.
For general health and fitness, it absolutely can matter. Nobody here denies that humans have nutritional needs and that failing to meet them can have negative consequences. There is no debate on that.
All I am saying is people need to quit saying CICO is all that matters and eat what you like. That is terrible advice. They should say you should find a healthy balance incorporate things you like and be mindful of your nutrition. Many people get the wrong ideas when you say to eat whatever as long as it fits your goals.
Would your advice be the exact same for a morbidly obese 400-pound person who has suffered from terrible eating habits their entire life as it would be for a bodybuilder at 10% who's trying to cut the last few pounds of bodyfat?
Context matters.
Yes, it would be. Eat nutritious food limit food that is considered unhealthy. The calorie count would be different but the type of food would be the same.
Then your advice is bad. It is more healthy for the morbidly obese person to eat a diet they can stick to and actually lose weight. Losing weight creates more health benefits for them than a few vegetables would.
In that case, the "eat anything you want" argument you keep saying is all over the boards would be true.
That was exactly my point.
And PP said exactly what I figured he/she would say. LOL.
Have I ever told you that you are one of my MFP heroes, @AnvilHead? :blushing:6 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Again, ideas for WEIGHT LOSS. The only way to create weight loss is CICO.
Again, they gave her no ideas. Just the same as long as it fits crap.
I know that's not true. There are several ideas given in that thread.3 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Again, ideas for WEIGHT LOSS. The only way to create weight loss is CICO.
Again, they gave her no ideas. Just the same as long as it fits crap.
She didn't give enough information to answer the question though.. when people ask that they are usually assuming there are magical weight loss foods6 -
singingflutelady wrote: »So how are you supposed to answer a very vague question without any information about the OP and why do yo u assume eat anything you want within your calories= eat only junk food
What I was going to say. Why are you assuming her current diet is all "junk", @jefamer2017?5 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »So how are you supposed to answer a very vague question without any information about the OP and why do yo u assume eat anything you want within your calories= eat only junk food
What I was going to say. Why are you assuming her current diet is all "junk", @jefamer2017?
I didn't assume anything.6 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »So how are you supposed to answer a very vague question without any information about the OP and why do yo u assume eat anything you want within your calories= eat only junk food
What I was going to say. Why are you assuming her current diet is all "junk", @jefamer2017?
I didn't assume anything.
If you aren't assuming anything, then the advice given in that thread wouldn't bother you.9 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »So how are you supposed to answer a very vague question without any information about the OP and why do yo u assume eat anything you want within your calories= eat only junk food
What I was going to say. Why are you assuming her current diet is all "junk", @jefamer2017?
I didn't assume anything.
Yes you did because otherwise you wouldn't be taking offensive to the eat the same things but less comment.7 -
Another thing I hate about those questions is that many people think healthy is the same for everybody.10
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quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »So how are you supposed to answer a very vague question without any information about the OP and why do yo u assume eat anything you want within your calories= eat only junk food
What I was going to say. Why are you assuming her current diet is all "junk", @jefamer2017?
I didn't assume anything.
If you aren't assuming anything, then the advice given in that thread wouldn't bother you.
You are missing the point. The point again is that people say this all the time. Ffs6 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Another thing I hate about those questions is that many people think healthy is the same for everybody.
Right?!?3 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »So how are you supposed to answer a very vague question without any information about the OP and why do yo u assume eat anything you want within your calories= eat only junk food
What I was going to say. Why are you assuming her current diet is all "junk", @jefamer2017?
I didn't assume anything.
If you aren't assuming anything, then the advice given in that thread wouldn't bother you.
You are missing the point. The point again is that people say this all the time. Ffs
Why does this bother you so much? Seriously?
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If I asked for healthy breakfast and lunch ideas and I was given keto meal suggestions or meals with tons of vegetables or fats I would end up in the ER. Vague questions get vague answers7
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Hearing "you can eat what you want within your calories" was probably the most profound thing I was told when I wanted to lose weight. It immediately cleared all the nonsense out of the way and made it easy. I've seen it help countless people here over the past five years.
Saying it does not imply to ignore nutrition, you're simply inferring it.26 -
Hearing "you can eat what you want within your calories" was probably the most profound thing I was told when I wanted to lose weight. It immediately cleared all the nonsense out of the way and made it easy. I've seen it help countless people here over the past five years.
Saying it does not imply to ignore nutrition, you're simply inferring it.
Well said. Once I figured that out, I then began learning how to eat in a way that allowed me a cheeseburger once in a while. Which meant I'd need to fill up on veggies, etc, in order to have that cheeseburger. My diet is probably more healthy now that I've embraced the concept of CICO.18 -
Hearing "you can eat what you want within your calories" was probably the most profound thing I was told when I wanted to lose weight. It immediately cleared all the nonsense out of the way and made it easy. I've seen it help countless people here over the past five years.
Saying it does not imply to ignore nutrition, you're simply inferring it.
Same here. I was so frustrated by all of the people who insisted that certain foods were basically, literally Hitler and other foods were the stuff of Angels' wings. And, of course, they insisted the only way to lose weight was to avoid the Hitler foods and eat only the sad, boring Angel-wing foods. What a disordered way of thinking that eventually led me to a disordered way of eating.
Hearing that I could eat whatever I wanted within the bounds of my calorie, macronutrient, and micronutrient restrictions changed my life. Then I lost 50 pounds, slowly and sustainably. And here we are, years later... just maintaining like a baws.23 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Another thing I hate about those questions is that many people think healthy is the same for everybody.
Again, exactly my point above.
For a morbidly obese person, the most "healthy" thing they can do is start losing weight to eliminate many of the comorbidities associated with their condition, by whatever means possible. Many of them (obviously) have very poor lifelong eating habits and trying to make radical changes right off the bat stands a high chance of completely derailing them. If they can cut their soda consumption from 12 cans a day to six, eat smaller portions of macaroni & cheese, skip the occasional candy bar and eat grilled instead of fried chicken, they stand a lot better chance of success than telling them to eat nothing but organic kale and dry chicken breasts, get exactly 189g of protein, 98g of carbs and 57g of fat per day. Good luck with that. Get them on track as simply as possible and let them adjust things on the fly as they go.
In my scenario above, my advice to a bodybuilder at 10% would be significantly different. They obviously have their diet and training on point to a pretty reasonable degree, are not dealing with huge comorbidities, have very good body composition to start with and are a lot less likely to go off the rails trying to dial things in. They've already developed good habits and the discipline to stick with them. At that point, it would make sense to make very specific recommendations as to dietary composition, pre- and post-workout nutrition timing, water levels, etc., which would be all but completely irrelevant to a 350-pound person at 50% bodyfat.
Once again, context matters.15 -
If I was told I had to not only cut my calories but I could only eat "Healthy" food for life, I would throw in the towel and stay chubby forever. The reason people are told "eat what you like, just eat less" is because it has to be a sustainable change. Something that that person can stick with for the rest of their life. Just because they eat what they like, (whatever that may be) does not mean they are nutritionally deficient. I eat a wide variety of foods. Those foods include pizza, cookies, cheeseburgers, ice cream, and boxed convenience foods. And anyways what exactly constitutes as healthy? I can easily get enough protien, fat, fiber and vitamins with any of those types of food I listed. That's not to say I only eat those foods. Just saying that eating them isn't exactly the path to nutritional deficiency.9
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jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
I think I might have been wooing people instead of liking (the love heart anyway) them! It's not overly clear :-O I thought woo meant yippee!
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joshuamiller7602 wrote: »Healthy diet A calorie deficit and doing regular exercise are two is the key factors in weight loss. Obviously, we all know very well that there are no magic remedies to cut the extra pounds of fat within a minute. maintaining a perfect sustainable diet plan is important to remove the stored fat from the body.
Fixed that for you.
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jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I have never seen people say that nutrition isn't important. Can you provide examples that I have missed?4 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »joshuamiller7602 wrote: »Healthy diet A calorie deficit and doing regular exercise are two is the key factors in weight loss. Obviously, we all know very well that there are no magic remedies to cut the extra pounds of fat within a minute. maintaining a perfect sustainable diet plan is important to remove the stored fat from the body.
Fixed that for you.
Beat me to it. What's necessary is a caloric deficit.
Eric Helms summed up the order of importance perfectly in his Nutrition Pyramid:
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estherdragonbat wrote: »joshuamiller7602 wrote: »Healthy diet A calorie deficit and doing regular exercise are two is the key factors in weight loss. Obviously, we all know very well that there are no magic remedies to cut the extra pounds of fat within a minute. maintaining a perfect sustainable diet plan is important to remove the stored fat from the body.
Fixed that for you.
Beat me to it. What's necessary is a caloric deficit.
Eric Helms summed up the order of importance perfectly in his Nutrition Pyramid:
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Don't lose weight in a way you can't maintain the loss.4
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The stronger you are, the harder you are to kill.14
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^^ Love this.
I knew I had to get in shape when my daughter (about 7 at the time) told me that I would be one of the first to die in the Zombie apocalypse because I was so fat and out of shape. ouch. (Nothing like a kid to give you the unvarnished truth.)
However this same kid also told me I should love myself as much as I love her.
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It is better to let it go to waste than to go to your waist.
Whether it is pushing away an unfinished plate or throwing out a treat you bought after having one serving, I find this attitude liberating.8 -
Nothing processed. Stick to real foods. For fitness it must be a form of exercise you enjoy otherwise you will not stick with it.19
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jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10662786/unhealthy-diet/p1
Here is a great example of why nutrition is important. This is why saying CICO is all that matters for weight loss.
I guess you must have somehow skipped over the posts talking about nutrition. Maybe if I quote one of them it will help you (I'll even bold part of it to make it easier for you):For weight loss, it doesn't matter. A calorie deficit creates weight loss.
For general health and fitness, it absolutely can matter. Nobody here denies that humans have nutritional needs and that failing to meet them can have negative consequences. There is no debate on that.
All I am saying is people need to quit saying CICO is all that matters and eat what you like. That is terrible advice. They should say you should find a healthy balance incorporate things you like and be mindful of your nutrition. Many people get the wrong ideas when you say to eat whatever as long as it fits your goals.
Nobody says this. That's what we've been trying to communicate.
What they do say:
CICO matters for weight loss. Which is true. You can't make weight loss happen any other way.
Here is a quote from a user. I just copied.
"Anything you want as long as you meet your calorie goal for the day."
People keep saying this same thing over and over again. It may be worded differently but it's the same.
I think most users assume that people have some common sense?
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