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Keto diet = good or bad
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charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
But its the truth!!!! I am not talking about any health benefits, and there are some. But weight loss???? Come on, its all about calorie deficit and nothing else.
But what if my deficit is better than your deficit?
The what now??
Just having fun, total nonsense.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://nutritiouslife.com/eat-empowered/food-cravings-really-mean/
@jjpptt2 the above is just a quick find that can help us all learn how to dig deeper on this subject. As noted this is relative a new discovery for most of us.
Just learning calories was not the root cause of my 40 years of obesity has been helpful already.
Calories were the root cause of your obesity though, specifically, too many of them. You can continue to blame cravings or specific foods all you like, but the simple fact was you ate too much. You'll gain weight if you eat too many calories on keto too, and that is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not.
Well no point in studying patients with obesity or it's cause because you have it figured out. Just think of the money that can be saved because you have ruled out genetics and hormonal issues completely.
Genetics and hormonal issues don't invalidate CICO. If a person loses weight, it is because they are at a calorie deficit, not because the magical keto fairy removed their fat stores in the middle of the night. Just think of the money that could be saved if people could understand this one basic principle instead of jumping from one fad diet to the next.
For the record the keto or LCHF WOE is the only diet I have ever tried other than calorie deficit or restriction. I lost 50 pounds and then gained 30 back. So I failed or CICO failed whatever. It didn't seem like it was sustainable for me and I really didn't like it. I am down 22 pounds now and the questions that remain are is this new WOE sustainable and are there any negative effects to be found. Not everyone will like it but my wife and I do. I hope the magical keto fairy keeps visiting us each night for a long time.
CICO can't fail, it is simply an equation which determines whether you will gain, lose, or maintain weight. When your CI is greater than CO, you will gain weight, which is what happened when you gained thirty pounds back. The reason you are down 22 pounds now is because your CI is less than your CO. Keto may be more sustainable for you because it helps you to adhere to a calorie deficit, but the reason you are losing weight is because of that very deficit. This is what I feel you are failing to understand, is that it is not the carb restriction which is causing you to lose weight, it is the calorie deficit. I personally have nothing against keto even though I know it would not be sustainable for me. I just think it would be of great benefit for people on this site to understand why they lose, gain, or maintain weight instead of being filled with misinformation which is what happens a lot when discussing keto.
Whatever....I know what CICO is. I think you know what I was talking about. I failed because my calorie counting to reduce the calorie in side of the equation was not sustainable for me. I mean if we take this to every extreme literal meaning of every definition and scientific formula it is going to start to look like this. "keto causes me to lose weight". "To say it is caused by calorie deficit is being redundant because I already said keto caused me to lose weight". "If I have lost weight we already know there is a calorie deficit because without it weight loss is not possible".
You can say it is redundant to point out that a calorie deficit caused you to lose weight and not keto, but I don't think it is. Keto is the tool that you use to get to a calorie deficit. The deficit is the actual reason for your weight loss. The problem too often is that those two facts get challenged all of the time in the forums and your responses at times seem to challenge them as well. I wasn't aware that I am not supposed to take what you say literally. There is a big difference between saying CICO failed and that calorie counting was not sustainable for you and I felt that was worth pointing out. For the record, I didn't know what you were trying to say and there was no way for me to know exactly what you meant since it wasn't clear.12 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://nutritiouslife.com/eat-empowered/food-cravings-really-mean/
@jjpptt2 the above is just a quick find that can help us all learn how to dig deeper on this subject. As noted this is relative a new discovery for most of us.
Just learning calories was not the root cause of my 40 years of obesity has been helpful already.
Calories were the root cause of your obesity though, specifically, too many of them. You can continue to blame cravings or specific foods all you like, but the simple fact was you ate too much. You'll gain weight if you eat too many calories on keto too, and that is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not.
Well no point in studying patients with obesity or it's cause because you have it figured out. Just think of the money that can be saved because you have ruled out genetics and hormonal issues completely.
Genetics and hormonal issues don't invalidate CICO. If a person loses weight, it is because they are at a calorie deficit, not because the magical keto fairy removed their fat stores in the middle of the night. Just think of the money that could be saved if people could understand this one basic principle instead of jumping from one fad diet to the next.
For the record the keto or LCHF WOE is the only diet I have ever tried other than calorie deficit or restriction. I lost 50 pounds and then gained 30 back. So I failed or CICO failed whatever. It didn't seem like it was sustainable for me and I really didn't like it. I am down 22 pounds now and the questions that remain are is this new WOE sustainable and are there any negative effects to be found. Not everyone will like it but my wife and I do. I hope the magical keto fairy keeps visiting us each night for a long time.
CICO can't fail, it is simply an equation which determines whether you will gain, lose, or maintain weight. When your CI is greater than CO, you will gain weight, which is what happened when you gained thirty pounds back. The reason you are down 22 pounds now is because your CI is less than your CO. Keto may be more sustainable for you because it helps you to adhere to a calorie deficit, but the reason you are losing weight is because of that very deficit. This is what I feel you are failing to understand, is that it is not the carb restriction which is causing you to lose weight, it is the calorie deficit. I personally have nothing against keto even though I know it would not be sustainable for me. I just think it would be of great benefit for people on this site to understand why they lose, gain, or maintain weight instead of being filled with misinformation which is what happens a lot when discussing keto.
Whatever....I know what CICO is. I think you know what I was talking about. I failed because my calorie counting to reduce the calorie in side of the equation was not sustainable for me. I mean if we take this to every extreme literal meaning of every definition and scientific formula it is going to start to look like this. "keto causes me to lose weight". "To say it is caused by calorie deficit is being redundant because I already said keto caused me to lose weight". "If I have lost weight we already know there is a calorie deficit because without it weight loss is not possible".
Considering that we're on a discussion forum where people regularly ask questions like "Will I still lose weight if I'm under my calorie goal but over my carb goal?" or "Can I still lose weight if I'm eating chocolate cake?" I don't know if it is redundant for people to point out that keto doesn't actually cause weight loss, it's just a method that some people find makes it easier to reach a calorie deficit.
You may know what you mean when you write things like "CICO failed," but not everyone reading your words is going to understand that you don't literally mean that CICO failed.13 -
I think it is universal to all diets or ways of eating after weight loss to maintain without putting the weight back on. It is my hope that if keto is an easy and effective weight loss method for me then maintaining will hopefully be the same. If not I will need to go back to the CICO method.
I am just joking about that last part so save the paragraph explaining that.6 -
happytree923 wrote: »charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
You can find people who have had weight loss success without calorie counting with the cabbage soup diet, the military diet, and breatharianism. That doesn't mean any of those diets have special weight loss effects beyond a calorie deficit.
Wasn't implying magic but if someone finds a way of eating that offers them success over another then it is a win in my book. Yes there will be a deficit but some find their path to deficit takes a different road to get there.
Here's the semantics I think we're missing (or digging our heels in about?)...
Keto doesn't offer benefits over CICO. It *may* offer benefits over calorie counting. That's an important distinction - CICO is NOT the same as calorie counting.
Previously, you counted calories, lost weight, then regained it. Calorie counting failed for you in that instance. Now, you're doing keto, which is working. Only time will tell if it works long term.
But in both situations, CICO is "working" as evidenced by the weight changes.
I think comparing calorie counting to keto is like comparing apples to trombones.
You can still count calories and do keto, you know?
The reason some people don't find the need to count calories on keto is because they reach a point of satiation consuming that macro mix that inherently creates a deficit for them.
For people who are on the margins like small, inactive older women who have lower bodyweight goals and messed up satiety triggers, I suspect calorie counting AND keto might need to go hand in hand.
In other words, they aren't mutually exclusive, and I think the other poster comparing his lack of success counting calories on one macro mix and contrasting it to current success on a different macro mix and not comparing like to like is muddying the waters.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
You can find people who have had weight loss success without calorie counting with the cabbage soup diet, the military diet, and breatharianism. That doesn't mean any of those diets have special weight loss effects beyond a calorie deficit.
Wasn't implying magic but if someone finds a way of eating that offers them success over another then it is a win in my book. Yes there will be a deficit but some find their path to deficit takes a different road to get there.
Here's the semantics I think we're missing (or digging our heels in about?)...
Keto doesn't offer benefits over CICO. It *may* offer benefits over calorie counting. That's an important distinction - CICO is NOT the same as calorie counting.
Previously, you counted calories, lost weight, then regained it. Calorie counting failed for you in that instance. Now, you're doing keto, which is working. Only time will tell if it works long term.
But in both situations, CICO is "working" as evidenced by the weight changes.
I think comparing calorie counting to keto is like comparing apples to trombones.
You can still count calories and do keto, you know?
The reason some people don't find the need to count calories on keto is because they reach a point of satiation consuming that macro mix that inherently creates a deficit for them.
For people who are on the margins like small, inactive older women who have lower bodyweight goals and messed up satiety triggers, I suspect calorie counting AND keto might need to go hand in hand.
In other words, they aren't mutually exclusive, and I think the other poster comparing his lack of success counting calories on one macro mix and contrasting it to current success on a different macro mix and not comparing like to like is muddying the waters.
Agreed. I think that applies to most if not all of the "diet" plans we see discussed here... at least any plan that is about how or when to eat rather than how much. We see it in the IF threads all the time. Just like with keto, you can IF and still gain/lose/maintain. Some have to keto/IF/whatever AND calorie count to be successful.0 -
I've gained weight while doing IF and I could easily gain weight while doing keto. There are a lot of high-fat and protein foods that I enjoy and could readily overeat. A 16-ounce ribeye steak cooked in butter is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500-1600 calories, and I can crush that for dinner with room to spare. 4 ounces of macadamia nuts for a snack is another 500'ish calories. So I'm already over 2000 calories for the day and nowhere near satisfied.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
You can find people who have had weight loss success without calorie counting with the cabbage soup diet, the military diet, and breatharianism. That doesn't mean any of those diets have special weight loss effects beyond a calorie deficit.
Wasn't implying magic but if someone finds a way of eating that offers them success over another then it is a win in my book. Yes there will be a deficit but some find their path to deficit takes a different road to get there.
Here's the semantics I think we're missing (or digging our heels in about?)...
Keto doesn't offer benefits over CICO. It *may* offer benefits over calorie counting. That's an important distinction - CICO is NOT the same as calorie counting.
Previously, you counted calories, lost weight, then regained it. Calorie counting failed for you in that instance. Now, you're doing keto, which is working. Only time will tell if it works long term.
But in both situations, CICO is "working" as evidenced by the weight changes.
I think comparing calorie counting to keto is like comparing apples to trombones.
You can still count calories and do keto, you know?
The reason some people don't find the need to count calories on keto is because they reach a point of satiation consuming that macro mix that inherently creates a deficit for them.
For people who are on the margins like small, inactive older women who have lower bodyweight goals and messed up satiety triggers, I suspect calorie counting AND keto might need to go hand in hand.
In other words, they aren't mutually exclusive, and I think the other poster comparing his lack of success counting calories on one macro mix and contrasting it to current success on a different macro mix and not comparing like to like is muddying the waters.
Agreed. I think that applies to most if not all of the "diet" plans we see discussed here... at least any plan that is about how or when to eat rather than how much. We see it in the IF threads all the time. Just like with keto, you can IF and still gain/lose/maintain. Some have to keto/IF/whatever AND calorie count to be successful.
Keto is a high-fat diet, and fat is calorie dense (225% the density of protein or carbs). For somebody who doesn't find fat particularly satiating, things could get out of hand very quickly unless they're at least keeping a reasonable idea of how many calories they're consuming.9 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
You can find people who have had weight loss success without calorie counting with the cabbage soup diet, the military diet, and breatharianism. That doesn't mean any of those diets have special weight loss effects beyond a calorie deficit.
Wasn't implying magic but if someone finds a way of eating that offers them success over another then it is a win in my book. Yes there will be a deficit but some find their path to deficit takes a different road to get there.
Here's the semantics I think we're missing (or digging our heels in about?)...
Keto doesn't offer benefits over CICO. It *may* offer benefits over calorie counting. That's an important distinction - CICO is NOT the same as calorie counting.
Previously, you counted calories, lost weight, then regained it. Calorie counting failed for you in that instance. Now, you're doing keto, which is working. Only time will tell if it works long term.
But in both situations, CICO is "working" as evidenced by the weight changes.
I think comparing calorie counting to keto is like comparing apples to trombones.
You can still count calories and do keto, you know?
The reason some people don't find the need to count calories on keto is because they reach a point of satiation consuming that macro mix that inherently creates a deficit for them.
For people who are on the margins like small, inactive older women who have lower bodyweight goals and messed up satiety triggers, I suspect calorie counting AND keto might need to go hand in hand.
In other words, they aren't mutually exclusive, and I think the other poster comparing his lack of success counting calories on one macro mix and contrasting it to current success on a different macro mix and not comparing like to like is muddying the waters.
Agreed. I think that applies to most if not all of the "diet" plans we see discussed here... at least any plan that is about how or when to eat rather than how much. We see it in the IF threads all the time. Just like with keto, you can IF and still gain/lose/maintain. Some have to keto/IF/whatever AND calorie count to be successful.
Oh, and healthy eating! I was a 210 pound whole foods vegetarian who IF'ed!! Hilarious personal experience to show that it really, truly is all about the calories. My food choice was great, I was just eating too much of it! Now, for matters of satiety and what makes it easier to comply with the correct number of calories to maintain an ideal weight? Personal preference.
I really wish everyone would just acknowledge this. Calories first. Satiety matters for compliance to calorie goals and that matter is down to individual preference. There is no one better course in an objective sense.9 -
I've gained weight while doing IF and I could easily gain weight while doing keto. There are a lot of high-fat and protein foods that I enjoy and could readily overeat. A 16-ounce ribeye steak cooked in butter is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500-1600 calories, and I can crush that for dinner with room to spare. 4 ounces of macadamia nuts for a snack is another 500'ish calories. So I'm already over 2000 calories for the day and nowhere near satisfied.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
You can find people who have had weight loss success without calorie counting with the cabbage soup diet, the military diet, and breatharianism. That doesn't mean any of those diets have special weight loss effects beyond a calorie deficit.
Wasn't implying magic but if someone finds a way of eating that offers them success over another then it is a win in my book. Yes there will be a deficit but some find their path to deficit takes a different road to get there.
Here's the semantics I think we're missing (or digging our heels in about?)...
Keto doesn't offer benefits over CICO. It *may* offer benefits over calorie counting. That's an important distinction - CICO is NOT the same as calorie counting.
Previously, you counted calories, lost weight, then regained it. Calorie counting failed for you in that instance. Now, you're doing keto, which is working. Only time will tell if it works long term.
But in both situations, CICO is "working" as evidenced by the weight changes.
I think comparing calorie counting to keto is like comparing apples to trombones.
You can still count calories and do keto, you know?
The reason some people don't find the need to count calories on keto is because they reach a point of satiation consuming that macro mix that inherently creates a deficit for them.
For people who are on the margins like small, inactive older women who have lower bodyweight goals and messed up satiety triggers, I suspect calorie counting AND keto might need to go hand in hand.
In other words, they aren't mutually exclusive, and I think the other poster comparing his lack of success counting calories on one macro mix and contrasting it to current success on a different macro mix and not comparing like to like is muddying the waters.
Agreed. I think that applies to most if not all of the "diet" plans we see discussed here... at least any plan that is about how or when to eat rather than how much. We see it in the IF threads all the time. Just like with keto, you can IF and still gain/lose/maintain. Some have to keto/IF/whatever AND calorie count to be successful.
Keto is a high-fat diet, and fat is calorie dense (225% the density of protein or carbs). For somebody who doesn't find fat particularly satiating, things could get out of hand very quickly unless they're at least keeping a reasonable idea of how many calories they're consuming.
Now I am hungry.2 -
soufauxgirl wrote: »Some of the posts here read like templates
My thoughts exactly on this topic of labeling & simplifying keto as "good" or "bad"2 -
Keto_Vampire wrote: »soufauxgirl wrote: »Some of the posts here read like templates
My thoughts exactly on this topic of labeling & simplifying keto as "good" or "bad"
When I see these "good or bad" things, I always think, for what? I used to post that question but no one ever answered it....5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@wmd1979 calories have never been the 'root' cause of obesity nor will become the root cause. No calories have ever jumped into my mouth. They are not like evil and we have to do battle with them daily.
The question is more like why do I overate calories. What about the things in our gut that is telling our brain what they want us to eat. Keto has been breaking cravings for the macros that are bad for our health longer than any of us have been alive.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5496172/
"....By revisiting the causes for obesity, especially those stated by the leading health organisms, this article makes the case to view obesity as a consequence of disturbing the auto-regulation of hormones related to fat production and accumulation by diet composition, in particular that produced by industrialized processed food...."
What macros are bad for health?
The ones that make you health worse
This is why ones own n=1 results are mission critical.
and those are...?
That's going to be highly individual and based on an individual's health. Someone with IR may do better with low carbs. Someone with autoimmune diseases or arthritis may find their symptoms are improved with very few carbs and worsened with more carbs. The n=1 is the key. What works for Gale, or me, may not work for you.
True but Gale said, "Keto has been breaking cravings for the macros that are bad for our health longer than any of us have been alive..."
He turned an "I" into an "our"...
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charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
The diet she described was absolutely not Keto. She said she eats a lot of vegetables, tries to avoid sugar, and targets more protein than fat. That is not the Keto diet.
The Keto diet is:
1. A fixed, extremely low carb amount, regardless of source.
2. Moderate protein intake
3. High fat intake
If someone is not doing that, then it is not the Keto diet.
These plates have 20g of carbs on them. A keto'er could eat one, two or even three of these plates a day and stay in ketosis. Or none, like me.
And I'm a few years into this woe.
I actually question thr accuracy of those pictures. Mainly because i regularly eat peppers, which average 150-200g which is around 7-10g of carb. If you add in tomatoes and a zucchini, (my average zucchini was 9-12oz at 12g) it would probably be over 20g. Or did they mean net carbs? But even then i would question it.
Maybe i need to do an experiment to see the accuracy and take a picture. I suspect its a bit deceiving.
Good point. I've never checked it out. They do look like small plates...janejellyroll wrote: »charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
The diet she described was absolutely not Keto. She said she eats a lot of vegetables, tries to avoid sugar, and targets more protein than fat. That is not the Keto diet.
The Keto diet is:
1. A fixed, extremely low carb amount, regardless of source.
2. Moderate protein intake
3. High fat intake
If someone is not doing that, then it is not the Keto diet.
These plates have 20g of carbs on them. A keto'er could eat one, two or even three of these plates a day and stay in ketosis. Or none, like me. And I'm a few years into this woe.
Nobody who truly eats a lot of vegetables would consider one of those plates to be "lots of vegetables." That's like the salad that someone who actually eats a lot of vegetables eats before eating the rest of their vegetables.
Not knocking keto, but it's not a lifestyle that is compatible with eating lots of vegetables.
If someone is coming from a diet pattern of not really eating vegetables, getting 20 grams of carbohydrates from vegetables may seem like a lot of vegetables. That's what I suspect is happening when keto people self-describe as eating a lot of vegetables. But I added 20 grams of carbohydrates from vegetables to just my dinner last night on a whim (cabbage and cucumber salad) and that was in addition to the carrots, onion, tomato, and lettuce I was already eating so I am not buying that keto people are truly eating vegetables in abundance.
That could be.
I used to try to follow the food pyramid. It was a high carb diet but mainly because I tried to get my 6-12 servings of grain a day. Moderate or high carb diets that are not heavy in grains, would have a LOT more veggies.
A higher carb person could eat all four plates in a day and (even if the carb totals are too low) be barely over 100g-150g.2 -
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10703146/keto-how-do-we-feel-about-it/p1
The OP in this thread is doing Keto and not losing any weight... she doesn't need to stop Keto if she likes eating that way, but should probably start counting calories since her goal is to drop some pounds. 14 -
@dmcnur It is good to hear the medical community is once again getting behind and in some cases even prescribing it to resolve/prevent health issues.
While I have been in at state of nutritional ketosis for four years now I never did it to lose weight because I gave up the goal of weight loss at the age of 63 after 40 years of nothing but failure.
The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again. The last three years I have maintained a 50 pound weight loss without even thinking about how many calories I am eating daily.
Keto was not invented as a weight loss took per se but it evolved as an medical Rx for serious health issues. If someone wants to use Keto to lose weight that is fine by me but the side effects may do so much more to improve their quality of life as one can read below.
https://healthline.com/nutrition/15-conditions-benefit-ketogenic-diet20 -
It concerns me that the rate of cheating is pretty high, and that has to play a part in the mental aspect of fitness... but I have friends that swear by it. Though, they aren't working out, which worries me.1
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I am personally a bigger fan of paleo with seasonal bursts of ketogenic influences. By that I mean eat clean healthy foods to be nutritionally full and when you are ready to drop a few lbs then go to ketosis but make sure you cycle out of ketosis In a healthy way. ketosis should be done in temporary bouts or cycles.
Ketogenic influences to me means low carb vegetables (temporaily avoiding starchy veggies) and eating high quality protein. I don't agree with eating dairy or cheese as a primary food group for keto because most people have issues with digesting dairy.
Eat clean!
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Weight loss = CI<CO.
How one choose to facilitate that is up to the user.
Period, end of story...17 -
I am personally a bigger fan of paleo with seasonal bursts of ketogenic influences. By that I mean eat clean healthy foods to be nutritionally full and when you are ready to drop a few lbs then go to ketosis but make sure you cycle out of ketosis In a healthy way. ketosis should be done in temporary bouts or cycles.
Ketogenic influences to me means low carb vegetables (temporaily avoiding starchy veggies) and eating high quality protein. I don't agree with eating dairy or cheese as a primary food group for keto because most people have issues with digesting dairy.
Eat clean!
Eating clean means as many things as the number of people that use the term. There is no universally accepted definition of "eat clean". And it's not really necessary. https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it/p110 -
ketosis should be done in temporary bouts or cycles.
Why?I don't agree with eating dairy or cheese as a primary food group for keto because most people have issues with digesting dairy.
I've never seen any evidence suggesting that "most people" with the genetics for lactase persistence (high 90s for people from Northern and Western Europe, among other places) have trouble digesting dairy (especially common sources such as yogurt or cheese). I don't think eating loads of cheese is really ideal (although I eat a little most days), but it has nothing to do with digestion.Eat clean!
I focus on eating a nutritionally-sound diet especially vegetables and protein and good sources of fat. I also like a well-rounded diet that doesn't cut out foods for no reason relevant to me (I think keto can be a good choice for other people, and tend to prefer slightly low carb when losing and moderate when not). I don't particularly find it beneficial for me to focus on cutting out foods 100% vs. just filling up my diet with nutrient dense foods and adding in other foods as they fit in (whether this means cheese or skin on the chicken or an occasional fish and chips or some delicious curry at an Indian place or Ethiopian food on occasion, or even, gasp, occasional ice cream or some pie and mashed potatoes with lots of butter at Thanksgiving). I don't think my diet is nutritionally-worse or worse for my health than someone who cuts out specific foods and claims to "eat clean." IMO, "clean" doesn't really have any sensible meaning when it comes to food -- it's essentially a purity concept that doesn't hold up to examination.
Anyway, I did paleo for a little while in 2014 and liked it okay (I cook, so it was easy), but ultimately the logic for cutting out super healthy foods like beans and lentils, avoiding meat alternatives like yogurt, tofu/tempeh, and beans and lentils, again, and the anti potato stuff (which seems no longer to be necessarily the rule) made no sense to me, nor did the idea that I should avoid oats and rice and other grains or dairy as a whole, when neither gives me issues and I don't tend to overeat either (I used to overeat cheese back in the day, but that's been controlled).
Eat a good diet that works for you!9 -
I wouldn't say its good or bad, but it is unneccessary for the majority of the population.4
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GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...13 -
My friends husband eats a keto diet. She says it makes him feel better from some health condition of his (I forgot what that was lol). For weight loss, eating keto is not necessary and more of a preference.1
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GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?
Zebra14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?
In my experience, that is typically how it happens. Most people underestimate the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have.
Now, back to my question for you. How did you measure which came first?7 -
I agree that keto is just Adkins relabeled. I’m a fan of low carb ,high protein and fat . How we choose our macro numbers is completely up to each individual.
I have to say that with the help of fat bombs I have lost more weight then I ever have and I feel satisfied and even full most of the time 🌸
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?
In my experience, that is typically how it happens. Most people underestimate the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have.
Now, back to my question for you. How did you measure which came first?
Interesting. Most people I know do understand the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have and is why they do it.
As to your chicken/egg question I have answered it many times over the past 4 years.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?
In my experience, that is typically how it happens. Most people underestimate the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have.
Now, back to my question for you. How did you measure which came first?
Interesting. Most people I know do understand the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have and is why they do it.
As to your chicken/egg question I have answered it many times over the past 4 years.
I waited one week for that?
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