November 2019 Monthly Running Challenge
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It's a challenge sponsored by Run the Edge. You pledge to run a 5K (or longer) each day for 10 days. Each day you do you are entered into a drawing for $500. This is the same group who sponsors the Run the Year challenge where you pledge to run the same number of miles as in the year (for 2019 you would run 2,019 miles). You can do it solo or form a team. Many runners in this forum set up groups this year and participated in the Run the Year. They have options for each challenge where you can purchase a medal, shirt, etc. I'm cheap so I just sign up for the basics!
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PastorVincent wrote: »November Goal – 100 miles
Nov 2 – 5 miles
Nov 3 – 10 miles for @MobyCarp
Nov 4 – 5 miles
Nov 6 – 5.16 miles
Nov 7 – 5.18 miles
Nov 8 – 3.30 miles
Nov 9 – 10.42 miles
Nov 11 – 5.26 miles – Hug a Runner 5K challenge – Day 1
Nov 12 – 3.30 miles – Hug a Runner 5K challenge – Day 2
Nov 13 – 3.20 miles – Hug a Runner 5K challenge – Day 3
Nov 14 – 3.21 miles – Hug a Runner 5K challenge – Day 4
Nov 15 – 6.50 miles – Hug a Runner 5K challenge – Day 5
Nov 16 – 3.22 miles – Hug a Runner 5K challenge – Day 6
Nov 17 – 3.20 miles – Hug a Runner 5K challenge – Day 7
Nov 18 – 5.14 miles – Hug a Runner 5K challenge – Day 8
Nov 19 – 5.06 miles – Hug a Runner 5k challenge – Day 9
It was a nice 38F this morning. Yesterday, when I agreed to meet my friend who is also doing the 5K challenge we both agreed that we only wanted 3.1 miles. But old habits die hard so we set out on our usual 5 mile route only difference was we ran it in reverse today.
Monthly Total – 82.15 miles
YTD – 1,038.85 miles
Sooooo how many hugs so far?
Way too many to count!!!
BETTER YOU THAN ME!4 -
@username301 I think I'll pass on the 100F Garmin badge :-D Great job getting out in that freezing cold after a rough night. I hope your child is feeling better.
@teresa502 You are killing that 5k challenge.
I've had a rough time of it the past few days. What I thought was a crick in my neck seems to be much more. Thankfully I'm better than on the weekend, but still hurts. Late in the day it gets better so I did run on the treadmill last night for 20 mins and that went fine, but I messed around with the speed and tried going faster (I run really slow on the treadmill bc it just feels so fast????) and I woke up this morning with a sore hamstring. Ha. Go figure. Hopefully I'm okay for a light run this evening after work. I'm a little behind on hitting 30 miles this month but I'm all about taking it easy right now and not pushing myself. So "Que sera sera".
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ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
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ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.2 -
ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
Nagging bears fruit - whether it be authorized or unauthorized.🤗3 -
@Tramboman not in my house it doesn't! It just gets me called a nagger and they STILL don't do what I nagged them to do **sigh**
If @mbaker566 actually does what she's nagged to do I might want to adopt her :-p2 -
eleanorhawkins wrote: »polskagirl01 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »@mbaker566 This is exactly why I need a GF or wife... to "nag" me to be a better person.
But, but... I thought nagging made us into horrible witches!
It does! Not caring about being horrible witches makes us even horribler witches **grin**
Haha, I really do try... but sometimes I almost think they kinda do want it, but don't admit it (except for @T1DCarnivoreRunner )1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
I thought the same thing. What would you recommend? A longer run May 3? I was also thinking I'd probably need a cut-back option somewhere around weeks 20 or 21 if I was doing this, but that's a ways away and probably too nitpicky of me and I should stick to nagging. SO... great plan and now you have to do it!4 -
eleanorhawkins wrote: »
@Tramboman not in my house it doesn't! It just gets me called a nagger and they STILL don't do what I nagged them to do **sigh**
If @mbaker566 actually does what she's nagged to do I might want to adopt her :-p
Did not specify if the fruit borne is sweet or bitter.😏3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
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polskagirl01 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
I thought the same thing. What would you recommend? A longer run May 3? I was also thinking I'd probably need a cut-back option somewhere around weeks 20 or 21 if I was doing this, but that's a ways away and probably too nitpicky of me and I should stick to nagging. SO... great plan and now you have to do it!
that first weekend of may i have my annual half marathon in door county. i usually then sleep all afternoon because the hills knock me out1 -
PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week followed by a week with what I'd guess is a half marathon race, then a couple weeks of taper until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.3 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week, then gradually tapers until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.
i think you might be rightPastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
i would say no you are not reading it right1 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week, then gradually tapers until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.
i think you might be rightPastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
i would say no you are not reading it right
I see where there are some 20-something milers on Sundays, but still not quite getting close to 50.
And then a really long taper before the race. Are you sure that is reasonable?1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week, then gradually tapers until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.
i think you might be rightPastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
i would say no you are not reading it right
I see where there are some 20-something milers on Sundays, but still not quite getting close to 50.
And then a really long taper before the race. Are you sure that is reasonable?
I've never run an ultra so I really probably keep my mouth shut, but from poking around the internet a bit it looks like it's pretty normal for a 50 mile plan to include 2-3 weeks of taper (and the first of those weeks includes a race, so that's its own thing) and max out the long run around 30 miles. It looks like 31 is the exact number that Runner's World uses.4 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week, then gradually tapers until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.
i think you might be rightPastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
i would say no you are not reading it right
I see where there are some 20-something milers on Sundays, but still not quite getting close to 50.
And then a really long taper before the race. Are you sure that is reasonable?
I've never run an ultra so I really probably keep my mouth shut, but from poking around the internet a bit it looks like it's pretty normal for a 50 mile plan to include 2-3 weeks of taper (and the first of those weeks includes a race, so that's its own thing) and max out the long run around 30 miles. It looks like 31 is the exact number that Runner's World uses.
i did the same but also have never run an ultra1 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week, then gradually tapers until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.
i think you might be rightPastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
i would say no you are not reading it right
I see where there are some 20-something milers on Sundays, but still not quite getting close to 50.
And then a really long taper before the race. Are you sure that is reasonable?
I've never run an ultra so I really probably keep my mouth shut, but from poking around the internet a bit it looks like it's pretty normal for a 50 mile plan to include 2-3 weeks of taper (and the first of those weeks includes a race, so that's its own thing) and max out the long run around 30 miles. It looks like 31 is the exact number that Runner's World uses.
i did the same but also have never run an ultra
I have run multiple ultras so I am an expert on this scale
*rolls eyes*
2-week taper is not unreasonable, 3 is on the border of overkill, and de-training but for a first ultra it is probably completely fine. I personally would never advise more than 3 as de-training becomes a real thing then.
A max long run of around 30 miles is not unusual either. Most amateur training plans keep max distance as about one solid race below the race distance. So 50 mile, step down to 50k. Aka 30 miles. Marathons step down to 20 miles (little more than 30k), half plans cap at 10 miles.
The idea is that 30 miles on tired-non-tapered legs will simulate the last 30 miles of a well-rested/tapered 50-mile race. The more miles you put in the training, the more likely you are to get hurt. So plans are built around minimizing training distance, while still being enough.
Some people do not follow that way of thinking, I know many that would say you should run full distance if not farther in training. I also know of others that max training at even small max miles. So you can take your pick of camps to believe in.
For me it would come down to time. Finding time to run 30 miles in training is way hard, finding time to run 50 is beyond me. So I would probably do the same.5 -
Gotta say I don't fully agree with you on that point. Obviously this is just my opinion, but taper is a reduction in mileage, not effort, so a three-week taper for me would be something like:PastorVincent wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week, then gradually tapers until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.
i think you might be rightPastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
i would say no you are not reading it right
I see where there are some 20-something milers on Sundays, but still not quite getting close to 50.
And then a really long taper before the race. Are you sure that is reasonable?
I've never run an ultra so I really probably keep my mouth shut, but from poking around the internet a bit it looks like it's pretty normal for a 50 mile plan to include 2-3 weeks of taper (and the first of those weeks includes a race, so that's its own thing) and max out the long run around 30 miles. It looks like 31 is the exact number that Runner's World uses.
i did the same but also have never run an ultra
I have run multiple ultras so I am an expert on this scale *rolls eyes*
2-week taper is not unreasonable, 3 is on the border of overkill, and de-training but for a first ultra it is probably completely fine. I personally would never advise more than 3 as de-training becomes a real thing then.
A max long run of around 30 miles is not unusual either. Most amateur training plans keep max distance as about one solid race below the race distance. So 50 mile, step down to 50k. Aka 30 miles. Marathons step down to 20 miles (little more than 30k), half plans cap at 10 miles.
The idea is that 30 miles on tired-non-tapered legs will simulate the last 30 miles of a well-rested/tapered 50-mile race. The more miles you put in the training, the more likely you are to get hurt. So plans are built around minimizing training distance, while still being enough.
Some people do not follow that way of thinking, I know many that would say you should run full distance if not farther in training. I also know of others that max training at even small max miles. So you can take your pick of camps to believe in.
For me it would come down to time. Finding time to run 30 miles in training is way hard, finding time to run 50 is beyond me. So I would probably do the same.
Taper week 1: 80% (of max weekly mileage)
Taper week 2: 60%
Taper week 3: 40%
At least for marathon training, that worked out just fine for me...the key being that pace and effort have to be consistent with the rest of the training (rather than reducing effort, which I've seen some people do during their tapers).
Of course, while I've run ultra distances, I've never raced one, so proverbial pinch of salt and all that...maybe three weeks is overkill. <shrug>5 -
Gotta say I don't fully agree with you on that point. Obviously this is just my opinion, but taper is a reduction in mileage, not effort, so a three-week taper for me would be something like:PastorVincent wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week, then gradually tapers until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.
i think you might be rightPastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
i would say no you are not reading it right
I see where there are some 20-something milers on Sundays, but still not quite getting close to 50.
And then a really long taper before the race. Are you sure that is reasonable?
I've never run an ultra so I really probably keep my mouth shut, but from poking around the internet a bit it looks like it's pretty normal for a 50 mile plan to include 2-3 weeks of taper (and the first of those weeks includes a race, so that's its own thing) and max out the long run around 30 miles. It looks like 31 is the exact number that Runner's World uses.
i did the same but also have never run an ultra
I have run multiple ultras so I am an expert on this scale *rolls eyes*
2-week taper is not unreasonable, 3 is on the border of overkill, and de-training but for a first ultra it is probably completely fine. I personally would never advise more than 3 as de-training becomes a real thing then.
A max long run of around 30 miles is not unusual either. Most amateur training plans keep max distance as about one solid race below the race distance. So 50 mile, step down to 50k. Aka 30 miles. Marathons step down to 20 miles (little more than 30k), half plans cap at 10 miles.
The idea is that 30 miles on tired-non-tapered legs will simulate the last 30 miles of a well-rested/tapered 50-mile race. The more miles you put in the training, the more likely you are to get hurt. So plans are built around minimizing training distance, while still being enough.
Some people do not follow that way of thinking, I know many that would say you should run full distance if not farther in training. I also know of others that max training at even small max miles. So you can take your pick of camps to believe in.
For me it would come down to time. Finding time to run 30 miles in training is way hard, finding time to run 50 is beyond me. So I would probably do the same.
Taper week 1: 80% (of max weekly mileage)
Taper week 2: 60%
Taper week 3: 40%
At least for marathon training, that worked out just fine for me...the key being that pace and effort have to be consistent with the rest of the training (rather than reducing effort, which I've seen some people do during their tapers).
Of course, while I've run ultra distances, I've never raced one, so proverbial pinch of salt and all that...maybe three weeks is overkill. <shrug>
I am not hardcore die on the hill for it, if a bit longer works for you, then do it.
Personally I tapper AT MOST one week for marathons and ultras race distance and often NOT AT ALL for shorter races. But that is me, and as I always say, do not use me as a model!
Though I have a coach now, so she might tell me otherwise as I make this BQ run. 3 -
If you're going for a BQ, consider reading Advanced Marathoning (if you haven't already). It's inspirational, full of great advice, and it certainly helped my understanding of how to train better.PastorVincent wrote: »
Gotta say I don't fully agree with you on that point. Obviously this is just my opinion, but taper is a reduction in mileage, not effort, so a three-week taper for me would be something like:PastorVincent wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week, then gradually tapers until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.
i think you might be rightPastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
i would say no you are not reading it right
I see where there are some 20-something milers on Sundays, but still not quite getting close to 50.
And then a really long taper before the race. Are you sure that is reasonable?
I've never run an ultra so I really probably keep my mouth shut, but from poking around the internet a bit it looks like it's pretty normal for a 50 mile plan to include 2-3 weeks of taper (and the first of those weeks includes a race, so that's its own thing) and max out the long run around 30 miles. It looks like 31 is the exact number that Runner's World uses.
i did the same but also have never run an ultra
I have run multiple ultras so I am an expert on this scale *rolls eyes*
2-week taper is not unreasonable, 3 is on the border of overkill, and de-training but for a first ultra it is probably completely fine. I personally would never advise more than 3 as de-training becomes a real thing then.
A max long run of around 30 miles is not unusual either. Most amateur training plans keep max distance as about one solid race below the race distance. So 50 mile, step down to 50k. Aka 30 miles. Marathons step down to 20 miles (little more than 30k), half plans cap at 10 miles.
The idea is that 30 miles on tired-non-tapered legs will simulate the last 30 miles of a well-rested/tapered 50-mile race. The more miles you put in the training, the more likely you are to get hurt. So plans are built around minimizing training distance, while still being enough.
Some people do not follow that way of thinking, I know many that would say you should run full distance if not farther in training. I also know of others that max training at even small max miles. So you can take your pick of camps to believe in.
For me it would come down to time. Finding time to run 30 miles in training is way hard, finding time to run 50 is beyond me. So I would probably do the same.
Taper week 1: 80% (of max weekly mileage)
Taper week 2: 60%
Taper week 3: 40%
At least for marathon training, that worked out just fine for me...the key being that pace and effort have to be consistent with the rest of the training (rather than reducing effort, which I've seen some people do during their tapers).
Of course, while I've run ultra distances, I've never raced one, so proverbial pinch of salt and all that...maybe three weeks is overkill. <shrug>
I am not hardcore die on the hill for it, if a bit longer works for you, then do it. Personally I tapper AT MOST one week for marathons and ultras race distance and often NOT AT ALL for shorter races. But that is me, and as I always say, do not use me as a model!
Though I have a coach now, so she might tell me otherwise as I make this BQ run.
Best of luck!
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I got a brace for my achilles in hopes to help and did 5 miles tonight. Garmin downgraded my VO2 Max, though.
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Thanks @quilteryoyo!
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
11/01/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 0.0
11/02/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 0.0
11/03/19 :::: 3.1 :::: 3.1
11/04/19 :::: 3.3 :::: 6.5
11/05/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 6.5
11/06/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 6.5
11/07/19 :::: 2.5 :::: 9.0
11/08/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 12.0
11/09/19 :::: 4.5 :::: 16.5
11/10/19 :::: 13.3 :::: 29.8
11/11/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 32.8
11/12/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 35.8
11/13/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 38.9
11/14/19 :::: 1.7 :::: 40.6
11/15/19 :::: 2.5 :::: 43.1
11/16/19 :::: 8.4 :::: 51.5
11/17/19 :::: 3.3 :::: 54.8
11/18/19 :::: 3.1 :::: 57.9
11/19/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 60.9
Keeping up with the treadmill streak after work today. Plus 10 pull-ups out on the main floor of the gym. Lots of muscle-y guys out there at that time of day so I had to try to make it look effortless Seriously though I do think this plan of doing a little every day is making a big difference. 12 -
My husband and I are about halfway over our colds - still sniffly and not fully up to par, but otherwise good - and got out Monday for 10k on trails at WC Johnson. We haven’t run a lot of trails lately because both of us took turns having ankle injuries, and it was... interesting. My calves today are sore! Obviously we need to run more trails, our leg muscles have gotten lazy.
I haven’t really had the experience of running while sick before. At the end I felt great, but that first mile was more of a liar than usual. I thought I was gonna call it and go home at about half a mile, but told myself to just stick it out at least one mile before deciding. By one mile I felt not great but good enough to go on, and by two I was fine. All my muscles started off really tired like my body took forever to start pumping fuel to them, it felt like bonking at the end of a long run with no food. Eventually it seems like my body decided it wasn’t going to convince me to stop so it might as well start operating properly. Bodies are such weird things. After the run I felt much better than before, and today I feel almost well.
I do love trails in autumn. We ran through a shower of helicopter seeds from a big maple tree. The leaves were deep but dry, and the groomers have been out on the trails so there were no concealed walnuts, sweet gum balls, acorns, hickory nuts, or pecans to turn our ankles on. On the far side of the wolf river is a bank of young sycamore trees which were all bright golden. The squirrels were chasing each other all over the place. The weather was just about perfect - I started off overdressed in a light jacket because I don’t regulate heat well when I’m sick, but I warmed up soon and tied it around my waist.8 -
@mbaker566 Don’t let the guys tempt you into overthinking things! 31 mile long run followed by a taper seems reasonable for a first time 50. It’s more important to follow the plan consistently than to have the exact right plan. When do you start?5
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katharmonic wrote: »Thanks @quilteryoyo!
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
11/01/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 0.0
11/02/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 0.0
11/03/19 :::: 3.1 :::: 3.1
11/04/19 :::: 3.3 :::: 6.5
11/05/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 6.5
11/06/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 6.5
11/07/19 :::: 2.5 :::: 9.0
11/08/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 12.0
11/09/19 :::: 4.5 :::: 16.5
11/10/19 :::: 13.3 :::: 29.8
11/11/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 32.8
11/12/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 35.8
11/13/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 38.9
11/14/19 :::: 1.7 :::: 40.6
11/15/19 :::: 2.5 :::: 43.1
11/16/19 :::: 8.4 :::: 51.5
11/17/19 :::: 3.3 :::: 54.8
11/18/19 :::: 3.1 :::: 57.9
11/19/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 60.9
Keeping up with the treadmill streak after work today. Plus 10 pull-ups out on the main floor of the gym. Lots of muscle-y guys out there at that time of day so I had to try to make it look effortless Seriously though I do think this plan of doing a little every day is making a big difference.
Ten! I’m so impressed. I hope you’re proud of yourself!2 -
If you're going for a BQ, consider reading Advanced Marathoning (if you haven't already). It's inspirational, full of great advice, and it certainly helped my understanding of how to train better.PastorVincent wrote: »
Gotta say I don't fully agree with you on that point. Obviously this is just my opinion, but taper is a reduction in mileage, not effort, so a three-week taper for me would be something like:PastorVincent wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
No, that last column is labeled "Saturday" - I think y'all are reading it as the weekly total line. There's a bunch of 20+ runs in the first column, "Sunday". It looks like the plan maxes out week 24 with a 31 mile run/65 mile week, then gradually tapers until race week with the 50 mile run in a 69 mile week.
i think you might be rightPastorVincent wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ok plan made.
extended an ultra plan with a slower ramp up. a few people have been pm'd. everyone else, feel free to continue to nag. i give permission.
tbf, my husband nagged but not with permission
plan as of now
That 50 at the end is a big mileage increase over the prior week... it generally is high risk to make such a sharp increase so quickly.
interesting because i didn't touch that part of the plan. hmm
Am I reading this right... you never run more than 10 miles, then jump to a 50 mile run?
i would say no you are not reading it right
I see where there are some 20-something milers on Sundays, but still not quite getting close to 50.
And then a really long taper before the race. Are you sure that is reasonable?
I've never run an ultra so I really probably keep my mouth shut, but from poking around the internet a bit it looks like it's pretty normal for a 50 mile plan to include 2-3 weeks of taper (and the first of those weeks includes a race, so that's its own thing) and max out the long run around 30 miles. It looks like 31 is the exact number that Runner's World uses.
i did the same but also have never run an ultra
I have run multiple ultras so I am an expert on this scale *rolls eyes*
2-week taper is not unreasonable, 3 is on the border of overkill, and de-training but for a first ultra it is probably completely fine. I personally would never advise more than 3 as de-training becomes a real thing then.
A max long run of around 30 miles is not unusual either. Most amateur training plans keep max distance as about one solid race below the race distance. So 50 mile, step down to 50k. Aka 30 miles. Marathons step down to 20 miles (little more than 30k), half plans cap at 10 miles.
The idea is that 30 miles on tired-non-tapered legs will simulate the last 30 miles of a well-rested/tapered 50-mile race. The more miles you put in the training, the more likely you are to get hurt. So plans are built around minimizing training distance, while still being enough.
Some people do not follow that way of thinking, I know many that would say you should run full distance if not farther in training. I also know of others that max training at even small max miles. So you can take your pick of camps to believe in.
For me it would come down to time. Finding time to run 30 miles in training is way hard, finding time to run 50 is beyond me. So I would probably do the same.
Taper week 1: 80% (of max weekly mileage)
Taper week 2: 60%
Taper week 3: 40%
At least for marathon training, that worked out just fine for me...the key being that pace and effort have to be consistent with the rest of the training (rather than reducing effort, which I've seen some people do during their tapers).
Of course, while I've run ultra distances, I've never raced one, so proverbial pinch of salt and all that...maybe three weeks is overkill. <shrug>
I am not hardcore die on the hill for it, if a bit longer works for you, then do it. Personally I tapper AT MOST one week for marathons and ultras race distance and often NOT AT ALL for shorter races. But that is me, and as I always say, do not use me as a model!
Though I have a coach now, so she might tell me otherwise as I make this BQ run.
Best of luck!
@garygse I have an actual professional running coach now and she thinks that if I start training in January I have a shot at a BQ in a fall marathon. I actually WAS planning to give up road marathons (planned to stick with trail ultras), but this carrot pulled me back in. I have to knock FORTY - FIFTY minutes off my PR (pending where the BQ time ends up for 2021) so it is a big ask, but hey, no harm in trying. If nothing else I will learn more about structured training and the like than I do now. It is almost guaranteed I will at least have a new PR if I do this if nothing drastic happens.
Also, I am not getting younger so the sooner I make the attempt the better my shot I figure. *shrugs*8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »@mbaker566 Don’t let the guys tempt you into overthinking things! 31 mile long run followed by a taper seems reasonable for a first time 50. It’s more important to follow the plan consistently than to have the exact right plan. When do you start?
Yes, in case I was not clear, I think this plan will work if you stick with it. 31 miles is fine. 3 week taper is fine. It is all fine. 5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »@mbaker566 Don’t let the guys tempt you into overthinking things! 31 mile long run followed by a taper seems reasonable for a first time 50. It’s more important to follow the plan consistently than to have the exact right plan. When do you start?
Tomorrow. 2 miles in the evening.
I've not been running a lot so i extended the front end of the plan to help rebuild my base and get in the habit of running consistently.
Now that I have some naggers in my camp, I'm hoping to be successful. After the may race, I'll evaluate and figure out what i need to do for the fall 50 in October.
I was talking to a friend tonight... when things start getting icy, I'll probably need to cancel Netflix and get a gym membership for a treadmill. And when the weather allows, I'll need to hit the trails for some hills.8
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