Coronavirus prep
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »This is the brief on income support measures for NZ: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-takes-significant-economic-decisions-nz-readies-alert-level-4-covid-19-fight
More detailed: https://workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/covid-19-support.html?utm_source=business.govt.nz&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=special_cv_edition#null
I like the line about NZ having the best-placed economy to deal with this crisis. That will come in handy for you guys. Low debt? That must be nice.3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »This is the brief on income support measures for NZ: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-takes-significant-economic-decisions-nz-readies-alert-level-4-covid-19-fight
More detailed: https://workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/covid-19-support.html?utm_source=business.govt.nz&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=special_cv_edition#null
I like the line about NZ having the best-placed economy to deal with this crisis. That will come in handy for you guys. Low debt? That must be nice.
We've been saving for a rainy day. And yes, I understand that we are very fortunate to be in this position.
I think the US is pretty screwed no matter what they do at this point
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Even a continuing social distancing will not last for too long, if DT has his ways...
Trump itching to scale back social distancing after 15 day-period, aides say
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/trump-coronavirus-15-days-social-distancing/index.html
I don't think he could do anything to countermand the state governors on this.
I think that TP read your post that is why you got a disagree...
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rheddmobile wrote: »Report from WBUR's Here and Now program, broadcast on US National Public Radio (NPR):
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/03/23/malaria-drug-shortage-coronavirus
Summary: Hydroxycholoquine (brand name Plaquenil) is an anti-malaria drug being tested for potential use against COVID-19/coronavirus. CDC sounds hopeful, but says proof is needed. US President has touted the drug in press conference as "a tremendous breakthrough" and "a game changer".
The drug is also important for treatment of people with other conditions, including autoimmune conditions such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
In some areas, demand has risen to the point where supplies are challenging to get, for people with the relevant health conditions who routinely need them.
Some of the increased use is potentially health professionals understandably doing anything possible (even if unproven) to avoid contagion in a context of inadequate protective equipment, but speculative over-prescription and hoarding are also suspected.
I'm trying really hard here to keep this post a simple factual summary, in light of the MFP community guidelines against political content. I think the core issue would be of common interest, but especially so to those who currently depend on hydroxychloroquine prescriptions.
Do not, however, just decide on your own to take hydroxycholoquine tablets intended for use as aquarium cleaners, without a doctor’s order. A couple of not smart people did that. One is dead and the other very sick.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489097-man-dies-after-taking-malaria-medication-in-effort-to-prevent-coronavirus
Where did I read that some people were drinking bleach to disinfect their insides?
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Even a continuing social distancing will not last for too long, if DT has his ways...
Trump itching to scale back social distancing after 15 day-period, aides say
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/trump-coronavirus-15-days-social-distancing/index.html
There are no easy answers or courses to take in this situation. I am glad I am not responsible to make those decisions.
You make the call that is going to save lives. No matter how unpopular you think it may be.
For a start, it doesn't seem like the US is doing a particularly swell job of social distancing (NZ wasn't really either, which is part of why Mum grounded us). Second, two weeks just isn't long enough. Even with lockdown, it takes a further two weeks from when that comes in for cases to peak (see: Italy). You want that peak to have subsided. Even then, life doesn't just go back to normal. Some measure of physical distancing (what we're calling it in NZ) is still going to be necessary so that it doesn't just take off again. This is a long haul thing, it's not going to be over in a few weeks.
How many people will end up unemployed unable to afford medications that they need to manage their health conditions? A massive hit to the economy will cost lives too. Those lost lives won't get media attention but they will still be dead and before their time. Anyone who believes a person only dies when they are meant to die please ignore the latter part of that last sentence.
That is what I meant by no easy answers. You may not see it that way.
And here is where I zip my little mouth on why universal health care is a good thing. And a decent welfare system. It's not like those things can't be put in place for the duration of a crisis, either. If I wasn't able to work from home, I would now be eligible for a government payment. Our economic relief package is aimed at making sure people are taken care of.
I get that this is all much, much easier in a small country/small population, particularly one that already has universal healthcare, but...
Universal healthcare could save someone like me. Having health insurance tied to employment is part of why people like me die in a bad economy. I barely survived unemployment 2009 without running out of insulin, and I am not sure I could make it again at this point. I suppose if I get laid off at this point with early projections for the jobless rate to reach 30%, I'll last as long as my medicine supply. Everyone else is hoarding toilet paper, but I know some diabetics have already started hoarding insulin. At least you won't die if you run out of TP. 😒
This is just heartbreaking and unfathomable to me
. I truly hope you will be okay through all of this. 11 -
The UK is, thankfully, now on full lockdown.
We may only leave our homes once per day for purposes of exercise, alone or with other members of our immediate household.
We may shop for essentials (food/medical needs) but as infrequently as possible. All other retail outlets/libraries/outdoor gyms/leisure facilities to be closed.
We may travel to work if it’s genuinely not possible to work from home.
Enforceable by police by way of fines or dispersing gatherings.
I’m not confident that enforcement will be as effective as it needs to be, however.14 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Report from WBUR's Here and Now program, broadcast on US National Public Radio (NPR):
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/03/23/malaria-drug-shortage-coronavirus
Summary: Hydroxycholoquine (brand name Plaquenil) is an anti-malaria drug being tested for potential use against COVID-19/coronavirus. CDC sounds hopeful, but says proof is needed. US President has touted the drug in press conference as "a tremendous breakthrough" and "a game changer".
The drug is also important for treatment of people with other conditions, including autoimmune conditions such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
In some areas, demand has risen to the point where supplies are challenging to get, for people with the relevant health conditions who routinely need them.
Some of the increased use is potentially health professionals understandably doing anything possible (even if unproven) to avoid contagion in a context of inadequate protective equipment, but speculative over-prescription and hoarding are also suspected.
I'm trying really hard here to keep this post a simple factual summary, in light of the MFP community guidelines against political content. I think the core issue would be of common interest, but especially so to those who currently depend on hydroxychloroquine prescriptions.
Do not, however, just decide on your own to take hydroxycholoquine tablets intended for use as aquarium cleaners, without a doctor’s order. A couple of not smart people did that. One is dead and the other very sick.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489097-man-dies-after-taking-malaria-medication-in-effort-to-prevent-coronavirus
Where did I read that some people were drinking bleach to disinfect their insides?
Yeah, I heard gargling with it. I said to my husband, the thought of it makes me gag. 🤢
I’m done for the day. I’m going to check out Netflix for something happy for the evening.9 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »This is the brief on income support measures for NZ: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-takes-significant-economic-decisions-nz-readies-alert-level-4-covid-19-fight
More detailed: https://workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/covid-19-support.html?utm_source=business.govt.nz&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=special_cv_edition#null
I like the line about NZ having the best-placed economy to deal with this crisis. That will come in handy for you guys. Low debt? That must be nice.
We've been saving for a rainy day. And yes, I understand that we are very fortunate to be in this position.
I think the US is pretty screwed no matter what they do at this point
That is pretty much business as usual for us though.9 -
SA mayor is having a press conference at 6 PM CDT. It's expected that he'll issue a "shelter in place" order for the city. Should be interesting. We still have way too many people in the "coronavirus is a hoax/overblown" camp.
ETA: Yep, the mayor just announced a stay-at-home ordinance to go in effect as of 11:59 PM tomorrow night, enforceable by law enforcement with fines and the possibility of jail time. Exemptions for critical operations like infrastructure & healthcare. Restaurants can still do pick up or delivery.8 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »This is the brief on income support measures for NZ: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-takes-significant-economic-decisions-nz-readies-alert-level-4-covid-19-fight
More detailed: https://workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/covid-19-support.html?utm_source=business.govt.nz&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=special_cv_edition#null
I like the line about NZ having the best-placed economy to deal with this crisis. That will come in handy for you guys. Low debt? That must be nice.
We've been saving for a rainy day. And yes, I understand that we are very fortunate to be in this position.
I think the US is pretty screwed no matter what they do at this point
That is pretty much business as usual for us though.
I was trying not to go there
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »This is the brief on income support measures for NZ: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-takes-significant-economic-decisions-nz-readies-alert-level-4-covid-19-fight
More detailed: https://workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/covid-19-support.html?utm_source=business.govt.nz&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=special_cv_edition#null
I like the line about NZ having the best-placed economy to deal with this crisis. That will come in handy for you guys. Low debt? That must be nice.
We've been saving for a rainy day. And yes, I understand that we are very fortunate to be in this position.
I think the US is pretty screwed no matter what they do at this point
That is pretty much business as usual for us though.
I was trying not to go there
It's an unfortunate truism at this point.2 -
SA mayor is having a press conference at 6 PM CDT. It's expected that he'll issue a "shelter in place" order for the city. Should be interesting. We still have way too many people in the "coronavirus is a hoax/overblown" camp.
If, through the dedication of our healthcare professionals and sufficient numbers of people keeping physical distance we are able to come out of this with a relatively low death rate, we will be stuck with those idiots overrunning social media with insufferable "we're so smart we knew everyone was overreacting!!" posts. Sigh.14 -
SA mayor is having a press conference at 6 PM CDT. It's expected that he'll issue a "shelter in place" order for the city. Should be interesting. We still have way too many people in the "coronavirus is a hoax/overblown" camp.
If, through the dedication of our healthcare professionals and sufficient numbers of people keeping physical distance we are able to come out of this with a relatively low death rate, we will be stuck with those idiots overrunning social media with insufferable "we're so smart we knew everyone was overreacting!!" posts. Sigh.
Heh, yeah, I'll be downright happy if we make it through with so little impact to our nation that people are still able to claim that we were overreacting.14 -
missysippy930 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Report from WBUR's Here and Now program, broadcast on US National Public Radio (NPR):
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/03/23/malaria-drug-shortage-coronavirus
Summary: Hydroxycholoquine (brand name Plaquenil) is an anti-malaria drug being tested for potential use against COVID-19/coronavirus. CDC sounds hopeful, but says proof is needed. US President has touted the drug in press conference as "a tremendous breakthrough" and "a game changer".
The drug is also important for treatment of people with other conditions, including autoimmune conditions such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
In some areas, demand has risen to the point where supplies are challenging to get, for people with the relevant health conditions who routinely need them.
Some of the increased use is potentially health professionals understandably doing anything possible (even if unproven) to avoid contagion in a context of inadequate protective equipment, but speculative over-prescription and hoarding are also suspected.
I'm trying really hard here to keep this post a simple factual summary, in light of the MFP community guidelines against political content. I think the core issue would be of common interest, but especially so to those who currently depend on hydroxychloroquine prescriptions.
Do not, however, just decide on your own to take hydroxycholoquine tablets intended for use as aquarium cleaners, without a doctor’s order. A couple of not smart people did that. One is dead and the other very sick.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489097-man-dies-after-taking-malaria-medication-in-effort-to-prevent-coronavirus
Where did I read that some people were drinking bleach to disinfect their insides?
Yeah, I heard gargling with it. I said to my husband, the thought of it makes me gag. 🤢
I’m done for the day. I’m going to check out Netflix for something happy for the evening.
I'm really not surprised at anything people do anymore. Whether it's willful ignorance or just unfortunate ignorance, fear only makes poor decision-making skills worse.3 -
This very, very, sad.
The Jerusalem Post: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60.
https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-6218569 -
Same here! I'll deal with being made fun of for overreacting if it means we avoid what Italy is suffering right now...SA mayor is having a press conference at 6 PM CDT. It's expected that he'll issue a "shelter in place" order for the city. Should be interesting. We still have way too many people in the "coronavirus is a hoax/overblown" camp.
If, through the dedication of our healthcare professionals and sufficient numbers of people keeping physical distance we are able to come out of this with a relatively low death rate, we will be stuck with those idiots overrunning social media with insufferable "we're so smart we knew everyone was overreacting!!" posts. Sigh.
Heh, yeah, I'll be downright happy if we make it through with so little impact to our nation that people are still able to claim that we were overreacting.8 -
AACK!!! my stubborn 94-year-old mom went out grocery shopping this morning! "I had to go, I don't want to starve"
Me "We're ordering food to be delivered to you"
Mom "Everyone was wearing masks"
DH "Did you?"
Mom "No, I put it on and it was uncomfortable"
DH "I'm going to come and nail your feet to the floor!"
Mom "I have a strong immune system. When Aunt ____ and Uncle ____ got scarlet fever, measles, diphtheria, I didn't get them"
DH "That was 85 years ago!"
and "Did you clean all your groceries?"
Mom "Yes"
DH "Did you wash your hands?"
Mom "I always wash my hands"
Mom repeats insistence that she has a strong immune system
DH repeats how the oldest get the sickest, and those with comorbidities, and that the medical system will get overloaded
SIGH
My 82 yo old mom tired herself out doing yard work so agreed to let me shop for her yesterday.
But! She had coupons for BJs expiring today so went there with my brother (he does not drive) and sent him in. While parked, a store employee hit her car with a shopping cart and left a big dent. Another person witnessed it, and suggested they go in and let the store know. While in there she needed to use the bathroom. So, so much for not shopping >.<15 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I’m a little vexed at the usage of the word “hoarding”. Why don’t people understand the idea of preparing, and increased demand? Here’s a little math example:
My town has a population of roughly 166,000. If we assume that equals roughly 55,000 households, and each household normally buys toilet paper every 30 days, then on any given day, there are 1833 people buying toilet paper in my town. Now, within the span of 3 days, the world goes crazy, sports are canceled, historic parades canceled, schools closing, companies talking about supply issues coming soon, and the very real possibility of being stuck at home for 14-30 days. So now, within a span of 3 days, people start thinking (and spreading the word), that toilet paper, among other things, could soon be scarce. So on the 4th day, let’s suppose instead of the usual 1833 people buying toilet paper in my town, today 5 times the normal amount, or 9166 people/households decide they better stock up on toilet paper. For many (like me), this might have only been less than a week earlier than they normally would have bought it. Most only buy one package, maybe two. Even though it’s a 5-fold increase in purchases, it’s a huge hit to the shelves in the stores. Now people are seeing empty shelves (one article I read mentioned how toilet paper is quite bulky, and takes up a lot of shelf space, so it clears out relatively quickly compared to other products), and the next day or two also result in another 9166 people buying (or trying to buy) toilet paper in my town. Well now the stores are really depleted, people are having to get in early to the stores to try to find any tp, and now you’re running into people who haven’t purchased any tp in 30 days, and those people who are about to be completely out, can’t find any. People go to stores early in the morning to get the tp straight off the trucks, and then the stores empty quickly of tp. People going later in the day call those early people “hoarders”.
Why is this called hoarding? Are people really seeing others buying 8 packages at a time? And are the same exact people arriving early to stores everyday, day after day, to get more and more tp? Are they sleeping on top of rolls of tp in their homes?
Maybe I’m just not much of a cynic, but I don’t call it hoarding, I call it a run on the stores in a short span of time, instead of the usual steady stream. If Americans will recall, just 7-10 days ago, life was still completely normal!!
Just my $.02. I’m sure I’ll hear from people who have seen actual hoarding, but I personally have not. Please feel free to correct my wrong thinking 😊
Edited to account for households, not total population, buying tp.
Yes, I wasn't quite out of TP when I went shopping, and bought one extra pack. I wouldn't call that hoarding, but it was definitely a change in my behavior, and if lots of other people did the same, it would cause shortages.
I think the stores need some responsibility though - I bought early and extra due to stories of people in other states panic-buying, and due to P&G's statement to expect supply chain disruption. Stores should have been alert to that as well, and started rationing much earlier than they did.8 -
My Texas county issued a 'shelter in place' order today. We're somewhat rural and I don't think we have many cases yet, but the order is intended to keep it that way and make sure our hospitals don't get overwhelmed.
I work in one of those 'essential function' jobs, so no time off for me, but I think that's good since I live alone and I'd probably go crazy with nothing to do. Either that, or I'd like it so much I'd decide to retire early, and I really shouldn't do that until the stock market recovers somewhat. 10 -
@BarbaraHelen2013 I've been wanting to pull out and reread The Stand too! I just finished a few Robin Cook (medical thrillers) though they weren't related to an outbreak.
I downloaded a bunch of Robin Cook thrillers from my library last week. I love love love being able to get library books for my kindle. (Digital books can also be read on a computer - no ebook device required.)
My library is closed now - people without library cards can check to see if they can get these remotely. Library systems are a fabulous resource. I've been using Overdrive for 10 years, but apparently there are all these other services as well:
Your library is committed to keeping you entertained and informed throughout this difficult time. Here
are just some of the great resources we offer online:
● Hoopla – Download/stream music, movies, ebooks, audiobooks, and comics
● Overdrive – Download ebooks and audiobooks
● Kanopy- Start watching the Criterion Collection, The Great Courses, Sundance and Oscar winning
films and documentaries.
● RBDigital – Download magazines
● ODILO – Foreign Language e-books in Spanish, French, Portuguese and Russian
● Creativebug – Arts and Crafts classes for all skill levels. Class topics include: Art and
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and Home Decor, Holiday and Party Ideas, and Crafts for Kids
● Freegal Music - Download music and music videos from your computer or mobile device.
All you need is your library card!
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