Coronavirus prep
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cosmiqrecovery wrote: »hello i'm back from my fight with the rona, let's never do that again. my dad's also doing much better. called into work this morning to tell them i'm on the mend only to have just caught my boss on his way out because surprise, they're shutting down for at least the next two weeks. i work for a school district, and the state superintendent wants to shut down school for the rest of the year. just hoping like hell that the district still needs people to run routine maintenance while the kids are out. i was so craving having at least a bit of my routine back, now i'm not sure when i'll get it back, or if.
my fiance's job's in the air too. jewelry's not exactly in high demand these days. i'm trying to be light about it and joke with them that they're gonna have to open back up in a few months once all the post-quarantine shotgun weddings are on but they're really devastated, and frankly as much as i'm trying to hold it together, i am too. precarity and being a giant humanoid ball of anxiety don't mix right, and there's no way, absolutely no way in hell that things just fall right back into their normal places once this deescalates. the unemployment numbers and predictions coming out right now alone are as unfathomable to me as a billion dollars, absolutely bone-chilling.
Welcome back, @cosmiqrecovery
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bmeadows380 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »...
I ran some math numbers for my mother yesterday which I hope she understood and took to heart: if you have 50% of the some 330 million people in the US get this, with 10% of that number being hospitalized for serious cases, you have some 16.5 million people needing extreme care. If only 1% of those people die from this, that's still 165,000 people. And yet there are still some people who claim this isn't any worse than the flu!...
My understanding is NOT that 1% of people who are hospitalized die. It's 1% of people who get infected will die. So if you run your numbers again, if half the people get it, then 1% of that half dies = 1,650,000. That's 10 times as many.
maybe so, but that just means my estimate was extremely conservative; in any case, the big question is whether or not my mother took me seriously. My family typically dismisses me as a "know it all" who don't know what she's talking about.......like when I tried to explain to my mother that baldness does not pass through from the mother's side of the family as that's not how genes work. She insists though that because her father had a full head of hair, that my brother will never need to worry about going bald because "it comes from the mother's side". *sigh*
Um, there absolutely are recessive traits passed on the X chromosome, and since men only get an X chromosome from their mother, the trait passes from the mother's side of the family to her sons, e.g., color blindness. So, yes, that is one way that genes work. A quick Google search suggests that baldness is controlled by multiple genes, so it's probably not straight-forward.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The silver lining, although at a great cost, is that the whole world will be prepared for anything similar in the future. We'll know in hindsight what strategies work best.
I don't share your faith in the lasting value of the lesson. It's not like the lessons of the 1918 influenza led to our being prepared this time around.
1918 was a different time with different technologies and economies. The world is more connected now and things are more heavily documented.
What are you saying? 1918 heavily transformed the way we go about things now. We have discovered viruses since then. There has been major advancements in public policy, advancements in research and technology of antibiotics and vaccines as well as the role of germs and bacteria in our everyday life.
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ataleforthetimebeing wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The silver lining, although at a great cost, is that the whole world will be prepared for anything similar in the future. We'll know in hindsight what strategies work best.
I don't share your faith in the lasting value of the lesson. It's not like the lessons of the 1918 influenza led to our being prepared this time around.
1918 was a different time with different technologies and economies. The world is more connected now and things are more heavily documented.
What are you saying? 1918 heavily transformed the way we go about things now. We have discovered viruses since then. There has been major advancements in public policy, advancements in research and technology of antibiotics and vaccines as well as the role of germs and bacteria in our everyday life.
What I'm saying is that this pandemic will have a major impact on the world's readiness for the next one, including the best ways to balance slowing down the spread and the impact on modern economy, just like other modern (smaller scale) pandemics taught us to start working on developing a vaccine right away. We have not had a modern pandemic with this kind of spread before, and there will be valuable lessons to learn.8 -
Even in the case of X linked traits, the mother’s father is not a clear indicator since she also got an X from her own mother, who would not have shown male pattern baldness herself but could have been a carrier for it.lynn_glenmont wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »...
I ran some math numbers for my mother yesterday which I hope she understood and took to heart: if you have 50% of the some 330 million people in the US get this, with 10% of that number being hospitalized for serious cases, you have some 16.5 million people needing extreme care. If only 1% of those people die from this, that's still 165,000 people. And yet there are still some people who claim this isn't any worse than the flu!...
My understanding is NOT that 1% of people who are hospitalized die. It's 1% of people who get infected will die. So if you run your numbers again, if half the people get it, then 1% of that half dies = 1,650,000. That's 10 times as many.
maybe so, but that just means my estimate was extremely conservative; in any case, the big question is whether or not my mother took me seriously. My family typically dismisses me as a "know it all" who don't know what she's talking about.......like when I tried to explain to my mother that baldness does not pass through from the mother's side of the family as that's not how genes work. She insists though that because her father had a full head of hair, that my brother will never need to worry about going bald because "it comes from the mother's side". *sigh*
Um, there absolutely are recessive traits passed on the X chromosome, and since men only get an X chromosome from their mother, the trait passes from the mother's side of the family to her sons, e.g., color blindness. So, yes, that is one way that genes work. A quick Google search suggests that baldness is controlled by multiple genes, so it's probably not straight-forward.
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snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »A question for states that have shelter in place in effect, ie: California, if people are going to beaches, are arrests being made for violations? Many, maybe all, states have only essential businesses open, with no formal, shelter in place, mandate. What’s the difference?
On the bright side, no one probably wants to visit beaches here for at least 6-8 weeks at the earliest, when it will be warm enough.
No. At least not in the Manhattan Beach/Hermosa Beach/Redondo Beach area. I don't think people should be arrested, but I do think maybe the police who drive by routinely on the bike path may want to occasionally issue a verbal reminder to some of the larger groups. Or maybe one of the lifeguards could walk the 3 feet from the big lifeguard station and suggest to the 50 or so people gathered around the building with their gym equipment that they need to separate a few feet from each other.
It's a little cold and rainy still so that is keeping the crowds down.
We have drones patrolling some of our beaches in Italy now. They hover over people and tell them to distance and that they are supposed to be at home.
While I understand and agree with the action, the mental image of that is just creepy as *kitten*.
We have the same drones in Belgium, in large parks in the capital and on beaches in coastal areas. It is Big Brother to the extreme and indeed very scary.
First time offenders get a warning, the second time the fines can go up to 4.000€ (roughly 4.200 USD) and a 3 month jail time.7 -
If you really want nightmares, re-read Edgar Allen Poe's short story "The Masque of the Red Death". 😄
I've been thinking about that off and on since this started. Also the Decameron. Both seem to parallel my current situation of being at home supposedly hiding from the potential contagion. The Masque of the Red Death is, of course, much creepier given the ending.3 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »SisterSue, you get a 10++ for your very thoughtful action of offering freebies to those who need it!!
I've stuck with my usual once a week shopping, am a little ahead on a couple things, mainly for my dogs.
But am finding stores have little to none of: paper products, cleaners, and bread. I haven't been able to get one loaf of bread in 10 days now. Not even frozen bread dough. I'll have to resort to homemade but I remember trying that a couple times, years and years ago. 
Lots of great recipes and tips for making bread in this thread! https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10454582/so-i-was-going-to-bake-my-first-bread/p1
All you need is flour, water, salt, and yeast
I prefer the Dutch oven method these days, but I have definitely made good bread in regular bread pans, and flatbread, and rolls...
Here's a fabulous bread book: Flour Water Salt Yeast: The Fundamentals of Artisan Bread and Pizza
Under normal circumstances I would suggest seeing if your library system has it (mine does) but likely your library is now closed
Speaking of bread: I experimented with making my own homemade yogurt this weekend, and had decent results on the second try - 1/2 gallon of milk produced 2 cups of yogurt and about a quart jar and a half of whey - course there was some yogurt sediment in my whey jars that filtered through with the whey; I'm not sure how to stop that.
If you happen to have cheese cloth, multiple layers will help keep that from happening. If not, something like a pillow-case under whatever you're using to strain the yogurt. When I strain mine I use a colander, place a folded pillow case (clean, obviously) inside, on top of the pillow case I place layers of cheese cloth, then put the yogurt in. I have recently started to get everything damp before I put the yogurt in to strain in an attempt to keep the cloth from soaking up all the whey. I have no idea if it actually works, but it makes me feel better.
And agreed - bread products made with whey instead of milk are lighter and fluffier and taste as if they are made with butter milk. Yum! A friend of mine used whey recently to make homemade sour dough bread... I need to get her recipe.4 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »...
I ran some math numbers for my mother yesterday which I hope she understood and took to heart: if you have 50% of the some 330 million people in the US get this, with 10% of that number being hospitalized for serious cases, you have some 16.5 million people needing extreme care. If only 1% of those people die from this, that's still 165,000 people. And yet there are still some people who claim this isn't any worse than the flu!...
My understanding is NOT that 1% of people who are hospitalized die. It's 1% of people who get infected will die. So if you run your numbers again, if half the people get it, then 1% of that half dies = 1,650,000. That's 10 times as many.
It doesn't really work that way either. We do not know the true percent of fatalities because we have no idea how many people are infected. It could be that some people are simply carriers and will develop no symptoms at all.
In addition we shouldn't view this in a vacuum. In the US something like a half million people have died since Jan 1 already from every cause including other diseases. How many people has the virus saved because of a greater attention to hand washing? They were admitted to the hospital and something even more life threatening than the virus was found? They were not on the street getting into car accidents? The examples could go on for ever. Everything ripples outward.
Of course it works the other way too. How many people will die because all routine medical check-ups are being delayed? How many people will die because they were at home alone instead of at work where a co-worker would have called 911? How many ingested an aquarium cleaner?
At the stage we are now I am not sure if there is a way to know if statistically more or less people have died since the virus arrived. It sounds like big numbers on the news but someone dies in the world every second.
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kshama2001 wrote: »SisterSue, you get a 10++ for your very thoughtful action of offering freebies to those who need it!!
I've stuck with my usual once a week shopping, am a little ahead on a couple things, mainly for my dogs. But am finding stores have little to none of: paper products, cleaners, and bread. I haven't been able to get one loaf of bread in 10 days now. Not even frozen bread dough. I'll have to resort to homemade but I remember trying that a couple times, years and years ago.
Lots of great recipes and tips for making bread in this thread! https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10454582/so-i-was-going-to-bake-my-first-bread/p1
All you need is flour, water, salt, and yeast
I prefer the Dutch oven method these days, but I have definitely made good bread in regular bread pans, and flatbread, and rolls...
Here's a fabulous bread book: Flour Water Salt Yeast: The Fundamentals of Artisan Bread and Pizza
Under normal circumstances I would suggest seeing if your library system has it (mine does) but likely your library is now closed
Thank you for sharing that. I talked with 1 of my dds last night, she's doing sourdough starter so I looked more into that online(you only need flour and water)and came across a site called DIYNatural.com. Wonderful site for lots of make it yourself ideas, including maple syrup marshmallows. Lol
My library is closed now. But they have a plethora of online material so will definitely check into all they have to offer. 1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »cosmiqrecovery wrote: »hello i'm back from my fight with the rona, let's never do that again. my dad's also doing much better. called into work this morning to tell them i'm on the mend only to have just caught my boss on his way out because surprise, they're shutting down for at least the next two weeks. i work for a school district, and the state superintendent wants to shut down school for the rest of the year. just hoping like hell that the district still needs people to run routine maintenance while the kids are out. i was so craving having at least a bit of my routine back, now i'm not sure when i'll get it back, or if.
my fiance's job's in the air too. jewelry's not exactly in high demand these days. i'm trying to be light about it and joke with them that they're gonna have to open back up in a few months once all the post-quarantine shotgun weddings are on but they're really devastated, and frankly as much as i'm trying to hold it together, i am too. precarity and being a giant humanoid ball of anxiety don't mix right, and there's no way, absolutely no way in hell that things just fall right back into their normal places once this deescalates. the unemployment numbers and predictions coming out right now alone are as unfathomable to me as a billion dollars, absolutely bone-chilling.
Welcome back, @cosmiqrecovery. Glad you are feeling better!
Yes, welcome back!! Hope you and the rest of your family recover in all ways!! It's a scary time, to be sure.
Personally, I think we need to hear more from people who have been there and are on the mend. All we've been hearing lately is how devastating and deadly this illness is, and I get that. Truly, I do. But somewhere, we need a 'light at the end of the tunnel' so to speak, to hang onto some hope, right?? I saw a headline that said 'seeing the faces of Covid-19'. So, thinking it was going to talk about survivors I clicked on it. But no, just the opposite, it told about people who'd died. *I* personally need to read the stories of survivors and know there is hope. It's hard to find a positive spin on much of anything lately.
And I cannot even stand to think of the stock market atm. My dh is almost 69, working at the local high school and I know, would like to retire. But we've lost about 1/5 of our retirement fund in the past month and have no clue what to do. I'm scared, to say the least, but still try to remain upbeat and carry on, figuring we'll adapt and everybody's in the same boat, plus it could be so so much worse. He's turned into quite the grumpy curmudgeon lately. 8 -
kshama2001 wrote: »SisterSue, you get a 10++ for your very thoughtful action of offering freebies to those who need it!!
I've stuck with my usual once a week shopping, am a little ahead on a couple things, mainly for my dogs. But am finding stores have little to none of: paper products, cleaners, and bread. I haven't been able to get one loaf of bread in 10 days now. Not even frozen bread dough. I'll have to resort to homemade but I remember trying that a couple times, years and years ago.
Lots of great recipes and tips for making bread in this thread! https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10454582/so-i-was-going-to-bake-my-first-bread/p1
All you need is flour, water, salt, and yeast
I prefer the Dutch oven method these days, but I have definitely made good bread in regular bread pans, and flatbread, and rolls...
Here's a fabulous bread book: Flour Water Salt Yeast: The Fundamentals of Artisan Bread and Pizza
Under normal circumstances I would suggest seeing if your library system has it (mine does) but likely your library is now closed
Thank you for sharing that. I talked with 1 of my dds last night, she's doing sourdough starter so I looked more into that online(you only need flour and water)and came across a site called DIYNatural.com. Wonderful site for lots of make it yourself ideas, including maple syrup marshmallows. Lol
My library is closed now. But they have a plethora of online material so will definitely check into all they have to offer.
For those who have Amazon Prime, there are a lot of free books and really discounted ones also.4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »cosmiqrecovery wrote: »hello i'm back from my fight with the rona, let's never do that again. my dad's also doing much better. called into work this morning to tell them i'm on the mend only to have just caught my boss on his way out because surprise, they're shutting down for at least the next two weeks. i work for a school district, and the state superintendent wants to shut down school for the rest of the year. just hoping like hell that the district still needs people to run routine maintenance while the kids are out. i was so craving having at least a bit of my routine back, now i'm not sure when i'll get it back, or if.
my fiance's job's in the air too. jewelry's not exactly in high demand these days. i'm trying to be light about it and joke with them that they're gonna have to open back up in a few months once all the post-quarantine shotgun weddings are on but they're really devastated, and frankly as much as i'm trying to hold it together, i am too. precarity and being a giant humanoid ball of anxiety don't mix right, and there's no way, absolutely no way in hell that things just fall right back into their normal places once this deescalates. the unemployment numbers and predictions coming out right now alone are as unfathomable to me as a billion dollars, absolutely bone-chilling.
Welcome back, @cosmiqrecovery. Glad you are feeling better!
Yes, welcome back!! Hope you and the rest of your family recover in all ways!! It's a scary time, to be sure.
Personally, I think we need to hear more from people who have been there and are on the mend. All we've been hearing lately is how devastating and deadly this illness is, and I get that. Truly, I do. But somewhere, we need a 'light at the end of the tunnel' so to speak, to hang onto some hope, right?? I saw a headline that said 'seeing the faces of Covid-19'. So, thinking it was going to talk about survivors I clicked on it. But no, just the opposite, it told about people who'd died. *I* personally need to read the stories of survivors and know there is hope. It's hard to find a positive spin on much of anything lately.
And I cannot even stand to think of the stock market atm. My dh is almost 69, working at the local high school and I know, would like to retire. But we've lost about 1/5 of our retirement fund in the past month and have no clue what to do. I'm scared, to say the least, but still try to remain upbeat and carry on, figuring we'll adapt and everybody's in the same boat, plus it could be so so much worse. He's turned into quite the grumpy curmudgeon lately.
Hopefully you have not sold any of your retirement funds because you only lose if you sell.
I guess I do not even look at it from a perspective of how many people are sick. I see all the people that are healthy which is most of the world. I doubt I will get it. I think there is a fair chance someone I know might get it but odds are it will be nothing more than a couple of weeks at home with some soup. The chances of me knowing someone who will die from it are slim. I will eventually know someone, who knows someone, who knows someone who died from it though. It won't be much more than a factoid in my day though. I don't like that people die but I can't possibly mourn them all and it would be irrational to only mourn those that die from a virus. If it is turns out to be a younger person or a kid I will be sad for a moment but those are always sadder.
I did find out last week that I am in a chain that flows back to an infected person. I am 4 people removed and it had already been 10 days so I do not feel like I was ever in any real danger. Eventually most of us will be in at least one chain if not multiples.
I try never to make things worse than they are. I do not imagine things getting worse. If they get worse I accept that as the new state of affairs. Otherwise I do my best to keep things based on the facts at hand. Just because it is raining doesn't mean there will be a thunderstorm. If it turns out to be a thunderstorm it doesn't mean the house will be hit by lightning.
I also remember that one dark shadow does not mean the sun is not shining somewhere. The virus doesn't change the fact that members of my family are about to to welcome two new members. It will be a time of joy. We will have to be careful in how we celebrate but we will celebrate.10 -
Went to a local church yesterday to donate blood and the place was PACKED (well as packed as you can get with all chairs spaced 6' apart). They checked temps before you even signed in and again when they took vitals.
I didn't expect it to be that busy but I strongly suspect there were 2 things going on:- People are getting a bit stir crazy and were looking for a legit excuse to leave the house
- People need to be needed. Staying in the house is the most effective thing to do but it is not tangible, you are not actually DOING something. Giving blood is doing something. Just like people sewing masks.
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kshama2001 wrote: »@BarbaraHelen2013 I've been wanting to pull out and reread The Stand too! I just finished a few Robin Cook (medical thrillers) though they weren't related to an outbreak.
I downloaded a bunch of Robin Cook thrillers from my library last week. I love love love being able to get library books for my kindle. (Digital books can also be read on a computer - no ebook device required.)
My library is closed now - people without library cards can check to see if they can get these remotely. Library systems are a fabulous resource. I've been using Overdrive for 10 years, but apparently there are all these other services as well:
Your library is committed to keeping you entertained and informed throughout this difficult time. Here
are just some of the great resources we offer online:
● Hoopla – Download/stream music, movies, ebooks, audiobooks, and comics
● Overdrive – Download ebooks and audiobooks
● Kanopy- Start watching the Criterion Collection, The Great Courses, Sundance and Oscar winning
films and documentaries.
● RBDigital – Download magazines
● ODILO – Foreign Language e-books in Spanish, French, Portuguese and Russian
● Creativebug – Arts and Crafts classes for all skill levels. Class topics include: Art and
Design, Knitting and Crochet, Sewing and Quilting, Papercrafts, Jewelry Making, Food
and Home Decor, Holiday and Party Ideas, and Crafts for Kids
● Freegal Music - Download music and music videos from your computer or mobile device.
All you need is your library card!
Wow, I didn't know about the majority of this, thank you! I've been decluttering and the hardest thing to get rid of is books, I've been rereading stuff and then donating it to the library for their friends-of-the-library program (left with a few too!) so my Kindle's been resting. I met with a career coach at the library the other week and there's also resources for making and having your resume reviewed among other things. I wonder if this means the two cookbooks I checked out don't need to be returned next week!?
The first time I moved after getting my Kindle I donated all my fiction to friends and the library. My physical collection is primarily cookbooks.
My library is closed and they said loans don't have to be returned until they reopen, but yours might have different guidelines.2 -
We're due an update from government later today on measures in Ireland, not expecting that we'll follow UK in total lockdown, but definitely think there will be a bit more tightening up on existing measures.
One lovely thing, An Post - the Irish postal service have sent postcards out to all homes that can be sent to any address in Ireland for free, I don't have any family here, but have a number of single ex-pat friends (being an ex-pat myself, I feel particularly for those who are far away from home and will be totally isolated if we are locked down) who are pretty isolated right now with working from home and limited social interactions. So I posted one to a friend today with a friendly note and flower doodle.13 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »We're due an update from government later today on measures in Ireland, not expecting that we'll follow UK in total lockdown, but definitely think there will be a bit more tightening up on existing measures.
One lovely thing, An Post - the Irish postal service have sent postcards out to all homes that can be sent to any address in Ireland for free, I don't have any family here, but have a number of single ex-pat friends (being an ex-pat myself, I feel particularly for those who are far away from home and will be totally isolated if we are locked down) who are pretty isolated right now with working from home and limited social interactions. So I posted one to a friend today with a friendly note and flower doodle.
can't see the US postal service doing that - the way they keep raising the price on stamps just keeps encouraging more and more folks to use virtual methods.3 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »We're due an update from government later today on measures in Ireland, not expecting that we'll follow UK in total lockdown, but definitely think there will be a bit more tightening up on existing measures.
One lovely thing, An Post - the Irish postal service have sent postcards out to all homes that can be sent to any address in Ireland for free, I don't have any family here, but have a number of single ex-pat friends (being an ex-pat myself, I feel particularly for those who are far away from home and will be totally isolated if we are locked down) who are pretty isolated right now with working from home and limited social interactions. So I posted one to a friend today with a friendly note and flower doodle.
Well, and since the virus can live up to XX number of days on paper...and it's just increasing the number of hands touching it...that seems - counterproductive.
I've decided to now (finally) make all my bills autopay online. No need to be licking and playing with envelopes and stamps and jeopardizing others who have to deliver and touch a thousand mailboxes.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »We're due an update from government later today on measures in Ireland, not expecting that we'll follow UK in total lockdown, but definitely think there will be a bit more tightening up on existing measures.
One lovely thing, An Post - the Irish postal service have sent postcards out to all homes that can be sent to any address in Ireland for free, I don't have any family here, but have a number of single ex-pat friends (being an ex-pat myself, I feel particularly for those who are far away from home and will be totally isolated if we are locked down) who are pretty isolated right now with working from home and limited social interactions. So I posted one to a friend today with a friendly note and flower doodle.
Well, and since the virus can live up to XX number of days on paper...and it's just increasing the number of hands touching it...that seems - counterproductive.
I've decided to now (finally) make all my bills autopay online. No need to be licking and playing with envelopes and stamps and jeopardizing others who have to deliver and touch a thousand mailboxes.
Beats people seeing each other in person though and may help improve someone's mental health. If people are maintaining good hygiene, I don't really see how it's any different than people handling your supermarket or pharmacy goods? They are handled by manufacturers, transporters, warehouse staff and retail staff before they are brought into your home.12 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The silver lining, although at a great cost, is that the whole world will be prepared for anything similar in the future. We'll know in hindsight what strategies work best.
I don't share your faith in the lasting value of the lesson. It's not like the lessons of the 1918 influenza led to our being prepared this time around.
Right, and here in the US only three years after the Ebola scare of 2015 the pandemic preparedness team was disbanded.
Optimistic Me likes to think that this shared global crisis will help us pull together to address climate change, but Pessimistic Me does not share that view.7
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