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cwolfman13 wrote: »I have a question............where is the logic of shutting down certain aisles in stores such as WalMart? I'm sure their reasoning is sound, but everybody I've talked with says the same thing. Now they're going to be shoving more people into less room/ Unless they're also limiting number of consumers? And toys? I know adults are on the prowl for new and different things to do; wouldn't it make sense kids might be getting ultra bored too? Wouldn't buying toys be as essential as, oh say,....stocking up on soda, chips, or something?
No disagreeing necessary, just asking a question for opinions.
They aren't doing that here...but my guess would be to curb "joy shopping" and people just getting out of the house to browse around Wal-Mart and such.
What they're doing here as of 8 AM this morning is limiting the number of people in the store to 20% of capacity which means if you need to go get something it's probably actually going to be an essential need because you'll likely be waiting in a line outside the store to get in. I haven't seen much of an issue in regards to large numbers of people when I go to the regular grocery store or even Costco, but I've driven by the Walmart parking lot a few times and it looks like the week before Christmas or something, so I was kind of expecting these people limits to come down the pipe.
I have also heard complaints from other non-essential retailers that it isn't fair that they have to shut down, but Walmart and Target can continue to sell those "non-essential" items.
I'm reasonably sure that "joy shopping" can't be stopped. I seriously spent probably fifteen or twenty minutes looking at baby/kid clothes at Target last week, just to have something to do. I don't have kids. I don't even know anyone who has kids. But it was there, it was retail and it wasn't my *kitten* apartment. Today is going to be liquor store day and I can't decide whether I should walk or drive so I can bring more home. I am also extremely likely to examine every bottle of wine and spirits they have, just to kill an hour outside my prison. And hopefully find every clerk in the store to deeply discuss drink options with. I stay home for as long as I can stand it, but every chance I have to get out where actual living human people are is stretched out to the utmost justifiable limit. They can shut down whatever aisles they want, limit the numbers inside as much as they want, but for a lot of folks, that's our only connection with actual people and I will soak up every single second and then hoard the memory for days. Text and FaceTime are moderately adequate to try and connect, but there's nothing like the feeling of being around PEOPLE. And stores are just about the only places left that have PEOPLE in them.
This is exactly what we are NOT supposed to be doing and why in many countries all non-essential businesses have been ordered to close.26 -
I went grocery shopping yesterday. They finally had some yeast. Not much, maybe a half dozen of the packages of three. They charged $6.99 for a package of three. I wonder who’s sitting in their office thinking it’s a good idea to raise prices so much. It’s cynical I know, but will prices go back to normal after this? I would guess, not. I got the last dozen of eggs. $3.79. (and they weren’t Egglands Best) Usually Easter week you can get them for $ .79 a dozen.
Our governor (Minnesota) extended stay at home order to May 4th yesterday.8 -
I hate people.
So my doctor suggested that I attend the special early hours at the store this morning because my asthma has been so bad of late (plus other health issues). I took time off of work, got up early, put on my mask, and went. It was horrible. These are all people who should be social distancing the most. The elderly. Those with chronic health conditions. But no. It was like no one knew that social distancing meant! Especially the elderly! They couldn't wait 2 seconds so you could grab an item before they stood right next to you to look at stuff. They would come right at you with carts like a game of chicken. They wouldn't stay to one side of the aisle so you could pass safely. They pushed right past you to get in the store while you were trying to keep distance from those ahead of you.
I am not doing that again. Sunday mornings at opening were WAY better then that.16 -
I hate people.
So my doctor suggested that I attend the special early hours at the store this morning because my asthma has been so bad of late (plus other health issues). I took time off of work, got up early, put on my mask, and went. It was horrible. These are all people who should be social distancing the most. The elderly. Those with chronic health conditions. But no. It was like no one knew that social distancing meant! Especially the elderly! They couldn't wait 2 seconds so you could grab an item before they stood right next to you to look at stuff. They would come right at you with carts like a game of chicken. They wouldn't stay to one side of the aisle so you could pass safely. They pushed right past you to get in the store while you were trying to keep distance from those ahead of you.
I am not doing that again. Sunday mornings at opening were WAY better then that.
Everybody was doing that last time I went to the store a week ago, elderly or not. I do recall seeing something on the news about how the elderly population in my state (maybe other states too) are taking this situation the least seriously compared to other age groups, and are going out and about as much or more than always, and often with zero protection. Of course, everywhere they go is a store, church, or visiting friends and relatives - all things considered "essential" here. So you can't stop them, it's like seeing the train wreck about to happen...4 -
Rolling LockDowns may be the wave of the near future.
Locally the human food stock seems to have improved. Animal food supplies are not in as good of shape especially if one is brand loyal. I think some animals are more picky about the brand they prefer than humans are.
https://foxnews.com/world/another-chinese-city-in-coronavirus-lockdown3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I hate people.
So my doctor suggested that I attend the special early hours at the store this morning because my asthma has been so bad of late (plus other health issues). I took time off of work, got up early, put on my mask, and went. It was horrible. These are all people who should be social distancing the most. The elderly. Those with chronic health conditions. But no. It was like no one knew that social distancing meant! Especially the elderly! They couldn't wait 2 seconds so you could grab an item before they stood right next to you to look at stuff. They would come right at you with carts like a game of chicken. They wouldn't stay to one side of the aisle so you could pass safely. They pushed right past you to get in the store while you were trying to keep distance from those ahead of you.
I am not doing that again. Sunday mornings at opening were WAY better then that.
Everybody was doing that last time I went to the store a week ago, elderly or not. I do recall seeing something on the news about how the elderly population in my state (maybe other states too) are taking this situation the least seriously compared to other age groups, and are going out and about as much or more than always, and often with zero protection. Of course, everywhere they go is a store, church, or visiting friends and relatives - all things considered "essential" here. So you can't stop them, it's like seeing the train wreck about to happen...
I'm going to touch on something here.
It's not all that easy getting old in general. There's more isolation, more cynicism, more wariness, more financial fear, more anxiety for me by far than when I was younger. I'm 66.
I have said more than once over the past month, "I'm ready any time." Meaning, I'm not fighting death. I think at some point in my late fifties I really came to terms with death and the fact that it could happen at any time - and is far more likely now just because of the numbers. For a lot of us life is difficult at this stage. Lack of close relationships due to trust issues, geography and deaths of family. Lots of people have chronic illnesses they are fighting, and there's a lot of mental illness in general that I see in my acquaintance circle. There is a general sense of being tired of the fight, truly.
I'm not saying I purposely look for trouble. I'm wearing a mask, I'm quaratining food, I'm staying away from all people at all times. It does seem futile at times.
The other thing is that we've been going to the grocery store for five plus decades. The grocery store has habits and routines and it has always been a beehive, but a safe one. It's hard for Me to remain 6-feet-vigilent at the store. Old routines and habits kick in, "Get the stuff and get out quickly," is one that comes to mind. I was saying the other day, "If someone was within six feet of me in my parking lot, I'd be wary. It's difficult to make that mental switch at the grocery store, which is a safe place in my mind."24 -
cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I hate people.
So my doctor suggested that I attend the special early hours at the store this morning because my asthma has been so bad of late (plus other health issues). I took time off of work, got up early, put on my mask, and went. It was horrible. These are all people who should be social distancing the most. The elderly. Those with chronic health conditions. But no. It was like no one knew that social distancing meant! Especially the elderly! They couldn't wait 2 seconds so you could grab an item before they stood right next to you to look at stuff. They would come right at you with carts like a game of chicken. They wouldn't stay to one side of the aisle so you could pass safely. They pushed right past you to get in the store while you were trying to keep distance from those ahead of you.
I am not doing that again. Sunday mornings at opening were WAY better then that.
Everybody was doing that last time I went to the store a week ago, elderly or not. I do recall seeing something on the news about how the elderly population in my state (maybe other states too) are taking this situation the least seriously compared to other age groups, and are going out and about as much or more than always, and often with zero protection. Of course, everywhere they go is a store, church, or visiting friends and relatives - all things considered "essential" here. So you can't stop them, it's like seeing the train wreck about to happen...
I'm going to touch on something here.
It's not all that easy getting old in general. There's more isolation, more cynicism, more wariness, more financial fear, more anxiety for me by far than when I was younger. I'm 66.
I have said more than once over the past month, "I'm ready any time." Meaning, I'm not fighting death. I think at some point in my late fifties I really came to terms with death and the fact that it could happen at any time - and is far more likely now just because of the numbers. For a lot of us life is difficult at this stage. Lack of close relationships due to trust issues, geography and deaths of family. Lots of people have chronic illnesses they are fighting, and there's a lot of mental illness in general that I see in my acquaintance circle. There is a general sense of being tired of the fight, truly.
I'm not saying I purposely look for trouble. I'm wearing a mask, I'm quaratining food, I'm staying away from all people at all times. It does seem futile at times.
The other thing is that we've been going to the grocery store for five plus decades. The grocery store has habits and routines and it has always been a beehive, but a safe one. It's hard for Me to remain 6-feet-vigilent at the store. Old routines and habits kick in, "Get the stuff and get out quickly," is one that comes to mind. I was saying the other day, "If someone was within six feet of me in my parking lot, I'd be wary. It's difficult to make that mental switch at the grocery store, which is a safe place in my mind."
A lot of this (I'm 65). I remember a few years back when my BIL, a doctor and younger than us, said "I know more people that are dead than alive". That's truer and truer every year that passes.9 -
cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I hate people.
So my doctor suggested that I attend the special early hours at the store this morning because my asthma has been so bad of late (plus other health issues). I took time off of work, got up early, put on my mask, and went. It was horrible. These are all people who should be social distancing the most. The elderly. Those with chronic health conditions. But no. It was like no one knew that social distancing meant! Especially the elderly! They couldn't wait 2 seconds so you could grab an item before they stood right next to you to look at stuff. They would come right at you with carts like a game of chicken. They wouldn't stay to one side of the aisle so you could pass safely. They pushed right past you to get in the store while you were trying to keep distance from those ahead of you.
I am not doing that again. Sunday mornings at opening were WAY better then that.
Everybody was doing that last time I went to the store a week ago, elderly or not. I do recall seeing something on the news about how the elderly population in my state (maybe other states too) are taking this situation the least seriously compared to other age groups, and are going out and about as much or more than always, and often with zero protection. Of course, everywhere they go is a store, church, or visiting friends and relatives - all things considered "essential" here. So you can't stop them, it's like seeing the train wreck about to happen...
I'm going to touch on something here.
It's not all that easy getting old in general. There's more isolation, more cynicism, more wariness, more financial fear, more anxiety for me by far than when I was younger. I'm 66.
I have said more than once over the past month, "I'm ready any time." Meaning, I'm not fighting death. I think at some point in my late fifties I really came to terms with death and the fact that it could happen at any time - and is far more likely now just because of the numbers. For a lot of us life is difficult at this stage. Lack of close relationships due to trust issues, geography and deaths of family. Lots of people have chronic illnesses they are fighting, and there's a lot of mental illness in general that I see in my acquaintance circle. There is a general sense of being tired of the fight, truly.
I'm not saying I purposely look for trouble. I'm wearing a mask, I'm quaratining food, I'm staying away from all people at all times. It does seem futile at times.
The other thing is that we've been going to the grocery store for five plus decades. The grocery store has habits and routines and it has always been a beehive, but a safe one. It's hard for Me to remain 6-feet-vigilent at the store. Old routines and habits kick in, "Get the stuff and get out quickly," is one that comes to mind. I was saying the other day, "If someone was within six feet of me in my parking lot, I'd be wary. It's difficult to make that mental switch at the grocery store, which is a safe place in my mind."
That’s really interesting to read because I came to the same conclusion when I went grocery shopping almost 2 weeks ago (in the U.K.), which is the only time I’ve been since lockdown began.
People were queuing outside quite well at the assigned markings but once inside the sparsely populated store it was quite noticeable that the people struggling most to maintain the 6 feet social distancing were the middle aged to elderly women. I said to my husband when I got home that it looked to me as if, once they got into the shop, a sort of autopilot kicked in because it was an activity they had done so often throughout their lives they were finding it hard to remain aware and were just ‘getting the job done.’7 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I hate people.
So my doctor suggested that I attend the special early hours at the store this morning because my asthma has been so bad of late (plus other health issues). I took time off of work, got up early, put on my mask, and went. It was horrible. These are all people who should be social distancing the most. The elderly. Those with chronic health conditions. But no. It was like no one knew that social distancing meant! Especially the elderly! They couldn't wait 2 seconds so you could grab an item before they stood right next to you to look at stuff. They would come right at you with carts like a game of chicken. They wouldn't stay to one side of the aisle so you could pass safely. They pushed right past you to get in the store while you were trying to keep distance from those ahead of you.
I am not doing that again. Sunday mornings at opening were WAY better then that.
Everybody was doing that last time I went to the store a week ago, elderly or not. I do recall seeing something on the news about how the elderly population in my state (maybe other states too) are taking this situation the least seriously compared to other age groups, and are going out and about as much or more than always, and often with zero protection. Of course, everywhere they go is a store, church, or visiting friends and relatives - all things considered "essential" here. So you can't stop them, it's like seeing the train wreck about to happen...
I'm going to touch on something here.
It's not all that easy getting old in general. There's more isolation, more cynicism, more wariness, more financial fear, more anxiety for me by far than when I was younger. I'm 66.
I have said more than once over the past month, "I'm ready any time." Meaning, I'm not fighting death. I think at some point in my late fifties I really came to terms with death and the fact that it could happen at any time - and is far more likely now just because of the numbers. For a lot of us life is difficult at this stage. Lack of close relationships due to trust issues, geography and deaths of family. Lots of people have chronic illnesses they are fighting, and there's a lot of mental illness in general that I see in my acquaintance circle. There is a general sense of being tired of the fight, truly.
I'm not saying I purposely look for trouble. I'm wearing a mask, I'm quaratining food, I'm staying away from all people at all times. It does seem futile at times.
The other thing is that we've been going to the grocery store for five plus decades. The grocery store has habits and routines and it has always been a beehive, but a safe one. It's hard for Me to remain 6-feet-vigilent at the store. Old routines and habits kick in, "Get the stuff and get out quickly," is one that comes to mind. I was saying the other day, "If someone was within six feet of me in my parking lot, I'd be wary. It's difficult to make that mental switch at the grocery store, which is a safe place in my mind."
That’s really interesting to read because I came to the same conclusion when I went grocery shopping almost 2 weeks ago (in the U.K.), which is the only time I’ve been since lockdown began.
People were queuing outside quite well at the assigned markings but once inside the sparsely populated store it was quite noticeable that the people struggling most to maintain the 6 feet social distancing were the middle aged to elderly women. I said to my husband when I got home that it looked to me as if, once they got into the shop, a sort of autopilot kicked in because it was an activity they had done so often throughout their lives they were finding it hard to remain aware and were just ‘getting the job done.’
Also, I always go to the same store and I know where everything I need is. Putting me in a new store where I have to wander around and search for stuff makes me crazy.5 -
Places too quick to return to normal are being interrupted by an uptick. That may spur the second wave. My state hasn't reached any kind of peak but is hailbent on returning to normal. I'm ticked thinking about an uptick due to poli-ticks. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I like the sound of this...
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientists-in-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-6191014 -
snowflake954 wrote: »BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I hate people.
So my doctor suggested that I attend the special early hours at the store this morning because my asthma has been so bad of late (plus other health issues). I took time off of work, got up early, put on my mask, and went. It was horrible. These are all people who should be social distancing the most. The elderly. Those with chronic health conditions. But no. It was like no one knew that social distancing meant! Especially the elderly! They couldn't wait 2 seconds so you could grab an item before they stood right next to you to look at stuff. They would come right at you with carts like a game of chicken. They wouldn't stay to one side of the aisle so you could pass safely. They pushed right past you to get in the store while you were trying to keep distance from those ahead of you.
I am not doing that again. Sunday mornings at opening were WAY better then that.
Everybody was doing that last time I went to the store a week ago, elderly or not. I do recall seeing something on the news about how the elderly population in my state (maybe other states too) are taking this situation the least seriously compared to other age groups, and are going out and about as much or more than always, and often with zero protection. Of course, everywhere they go is a store, church, or visiting friends and relatives - all things considered "essential" here. So you can't stop them, it's like seeing the train wreck about to happen...
I'm going to touch on something here.
It's not all that easy getting old in general. There's more isolation, more cynicism, more wariness, more financial fear, more anxiety for me by far than when I was younger. I'm 66.
I have said more than once over the past month, "I'm ready any time." Meaning, I'm not fighting death. I think at some point in my late fifties I really came to terms with death and the fact that it could happen at any time - and is far more likely now just because of the numbers. For a lot of us life is difficult at this stage. Lack of close relationships due to trust issues, geography and deaths of family. Lots of people have chronic illnesses they are fighting, and there's a lot of mental illness in general that I see in my acquaintance circle. There is a general sense of being tired of the fight, truly.
I'm not saying I purposely look for trouble. I'm wearing a mask, I'm quaratining food, I'm staying away from all people at all times. It does seem futile at times.
The other thing is that we've been going to the grocery store for five plus decades. The grocery store has habits and routines and it has always been a beehive, but a safe one. It's hard for Me to remain 6-feet-vigilent at the store. Old routines and habits kick in, "Get the stuff and get out quickly," is one that comes to mind. I was saying the other day, "If someone was within six feet of me in my parking lot, I'd be wary. It's difficult to make that mental switch at the grocery store, which is a safe place in my mind."
That’s really interesting to read because I came to the same conclusion when I went grocery shopping almost 2 weeks ago (in the U.K.), which is the only time I’ve been since lockdown began.
People were queuing outside quite well at the assigned markings but once inside the sparsely populated store it was quite noticeable that the people struggling most to maintain the 6 feet social distancing were the middle aged to elderly women. I said to my husband when I got home that it looked to me as if, once they got into the shop, a sort of autopilot kicked in because it was an activity they had done so often throughout their lives they were finding it hard to remain aware and were just ‘getting the job done.’
Also, I always go to the same store and I know where everything I need is. Putting me in a new store where I have to wander around and search for stuff makes me crazy.
I couldn’t agree with you more! There was a time I’m not very proud of just after I’d moved house to a completely different part of the country and went grocery shopping and I had what can only be described as a tearful meltdown because the layout of the store was not what I was used to! 😂
New stores always stress me out enormously!7 -
Speaking as an old-ish person (64) whose friend-set includes people up into their 80s, I'm mildly offended by sweeping generalizations about "the elderly".
Among my acquaintences and friends, I'm seeing a range of reactions and behaviors, among both young and old (and yes, I have actual RL friends of all ages - though few under 25, I admit). There are certainly older people (60+) who are being extremely cautious, staying in (more than I am, since I have been out to shop a couple of times, all masked and gloved and distancing). I know multiple people my age and older who are only taking groceries and such via delivery, going out not at all. Not. At. All.
I haven't been to "senior hours," having heard from other older friends that those are kind of mobbed, so I've taken my chances at other times of day, times that also play better with my night-owl tendencies. Doing that, I saw a bundle of people behaving very incautiously, most of them much younger than I - doing the same things people report of "the elderly". (You will've seen me report that a few posts back, before I went off on this rant.
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At "senior hours", you're concentrating a particular demographic, and watching behavior. If (making up numbers) 60% of the group (which was already selection biased by being those willing to go out to a store!) is behaving badly, this is not "60% of the elderly behaving badly". How much would numbers or proportions (whatever they may be) differ if we had "30s and 40s" or "teens and 20s" shopping hours?
Overall, I'm distressed at what seems like a current cultural trend to generalize negatively about people who are older. ("OK, Boomer", anyone?). Who benefits from cultural divisiveness by age (or other "have no choice" facts of being)? With whom might we make common cause if we paid more attention to what we have in common, rather than arbitrary differences in superficial characteristics?
Perhaps there is statistical trend for people who are older to be more incautious (or more fatalistic, or more habit-driven, or whatever) and behave less appropriately in these circumstances. I don't know, but wouldn't completely reject the hypothesis out of hand. Nonetheless, I'm 100% confident from personal behavior and communication with age-mate friends that this is not a universal. Don't let yourself think it is, based on anecdotes and biased samples.cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I hate people.
So my doctor suggested that I attend the special early hours at the store this morning because my asthma has been so bad of late (plus other health issues). I took time off of work, got up early, put on my mask, and went. It was horrible. These are all people who should be social distancing the most. The elderly. Those with chronic health conditions. But no. It was like no one knew that social distancing meant! Especially the elderly! They couldn't wait 2 seconds so you could grab an item before they stood right next to you to look at stuff. They would come right at you with carts like a game of chicken. They wouldn't stay to one side of the aisle so you could pass safely. They pushed right past you to get in the store while you were trying to keep distance from those ahead of you.
I am not doing that again. Sunday mornings at opening were WAY better then that.
Everybody was doing that last time I went to the store a week ago, elderly or not. I do recall seeing something on the news about how the elderly population in my state (maybe other states too) are taking this situation the least seriously compared to other age groups, and are going out and about as much or more than always, and often with zero protection. Of course, everywhere they go is a store, church, or visiting friends and relatives - all things considered "essential" here. So you can't stop them, it's like seeing the train wreck about to happen...
I'm going to touch on something here.
It's not all that easy getting old in general. There's more isolation, more cynicism, more wariness, more financial fear, more anxiety for me by far than when I was younger. I'm 66.
I have said more than once over the past month, "I'm ready any time." Meaning, I'm not fighting death. I think at some point in my late fifties I really came to terms with death and the fact that it could happen at any time - and is far more likely now just because of the numbers. For a lot of us life is difficult at this stage. Lack of close relationships due to trust issues, geography and deaths of family. Lots of people have chronic illnesses they are fighting, and there's a lot of mental illness in general that I see in my acquaintance circle. There is a general sense of being tired of the fight, truly.
I'm not saying I purposely look for trouble. I'm wearing a mask, I'm quaratining food, I'm staying away from all people at all times. It does seem futile at times.
The other thing is that we've been going to the grocery store for five plus decades. The grocery store has habits and routines and it has always been a beehive, but a safe one. It's hard for Me to remain 6-feet-vigilent at the store. Old routines and habits kick in, "Get the stuff and get out quickly," is one that comes to mind. I was saying the other day, "If someone was within six feet of me in my parking lot, I'd be wary. It's difficult to make that mental switch at the grocery store, which is a safe place in my mind."
I'm sincerely sorry that the bolded is true for you, and I understand that it's true for many others. But this, too, is not universal. Perhaps, as I get older, it will become more true for me - I would expect so, actually, given my entire lack of immediate family/partner especially. Physical decline and eventually assisted living/nursing home is likely to be a drag, frankly.
So far, I'm more isolated than during my career (but to degree that's enjoyable under normal circumstances, and quite tolerable now). I may be more cynical or wary than when young (not sure); certainly, I'm more skeptical, but also pretty optimistic and less mindlessly suspicious or negative than when I was younger. I'm not particularly financially fearful, though my means are modest.
I'm less anxious than when younger, overall: Willing to let what comes, come; wanting to enjoy what I can along the way, and deal with negative events as best I'm able when they arise, rather than anticipating them fearfully.
This may change, and maybe I'm being naive. I'm not tired of the fight; I'm interested in seeing what goes on, and learning more from it, and hope to feel that way for a long time to come.
I'd prefer not to die soon, but if I do . . . there's no point in fussing about it in advance, because that just ruins more of my present. I'll deal with it if it comes. (I watched my husband (atheist, BTW), dying at age 45, do exactly this. I faced my mortality somewhat directly via stage III cancer, a type of cancer that had killed my mother. I believe it's possible to be philosophical about it. Only time will tell if I'm up to it. I can wait. :drinker:)23 -
I agree with Ann. I am 70 & in no hurry to leave.14
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I'm less anxious than when younger, overall: Willing to let what comes, come; wanting to enjoy what I can along the way, and deal with negative events as best I'm able when they arise, rather than anticipating them fearfully.
Your comment reminded me that I'd read about happiness increasing after 40 or so in the past (that was true for me) and that in general older people are happier, so I googled and found this:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/04/12/do-people-become-happier-after-40
As much of it is behind a paywall, a couple of relevant bits:
"Life satisfaction does not follow this pattern in all countries. Self-reported happiness in former Soviet states declines markedly with a respondent’s age. Among males in India it is an inverted U: happiness rises to middle-age before declining into old age. Generally, Indians are among the gloomiest in the world, their average life satisfaction has fallen by 1.2 points over the past decade. When Indian men reach their 70s they are among the least happy in the world, reporting average life satisfaction of just 3.6 points. In contrast women aged 70 and over in America appear to be the world’s happiest group of people, with life satisfaction of some 7.5 points. The reasons for these differences are not well understood, but the idea of a U shape has been discussed by sociologists for decades."
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"A 2012 study of happiness among Australians, Britons and Germans between 1980 and 2010 found that after controlling for income, relationships, health and the fact that longitudinal panels may be biased, self-reported happiness was flat between the ages of 20 and 55. It then rose through to the age of 75 as people enjoyed a stress-free life before declining sharply as their health deteriorated. Another study published in 2015 used the same data but employed a different methodology and found evidence for a U-bend in life. It posits that happiness is a simple function of vitality and emotional maturity: the latter rises with age, while vitality deteriorates with age, but in concert they combine to minimise happiness at around middle age."10 -
I'm less anxious than when younger, overall: Willing to let what comes, come; wanting to enjoy what I can along the way, and deal with negative events as best I'm able when they arise, rather than anticipating them fearfully.
Your comment reminded me that I'd read about happiness increasing after 40 or so in the past (that was true for me) and that in general older people are happier, so I googled and found this:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/04/12/do-people-become-happier-after-40
As much of it is behind a paywall, a couple of relevant bits:
"Life satisfaction does not follow this pattern in all countries. Self-reported happiness in former Soviet states declines markedly with a respondent’s age. Among males in India it is an inverted U: happiness rises to middle-age before declining into old age. Generally, Indians are among the gloomiest in the world, their average life satisfaction has fallen by 1.2 points over the past decade. When Indian men reach their 70s they are among the least happy in the world, reporting average life satisfaction of just 3.6 points. In contrast women aged 70 and over in America appear to be the world’s happiest group of people, with life satisfaction of some 7.5 points. The reasons for these differences are not well understood, but the idea of a U shape has been discussed by sociologists for decades."
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"A 2012 study of happiness among Australians, Britons and Germans between 1980 and 2010 found that after controlling for income, relationships, health and the fact that longitudinal panels may be biased, self-reported happiness was flat between the ages of 20 and 55. It then rose through to the age of 75 as people enjoyed a stress-free life before declining sharply as their health deteriorated. Another study published in 2015 used the same data but employed a different methodology and found evidence for a U-bend in life. It posits that happiness is a simple function of vitality and emotional maturity: the latter rises with age, while vitality deteriorates with age, but in concert they combine to minimise happiness at around middle age."
My wife will be absolutely thrilled when I tell her today that I'm finally growing up! I'm 55! 4 -
Forest Service is closing campgrounds, grasslands, national forests due to Covid crowding and higher fire danger.
These are wide open spaces but the risk is real for campsite/group recreation crowding. Parking areas, trailheads, and fishing/rec area crowding. All of this undermines the country's critical efforts to stop the spread.
Closing national parks and forest service lands is safeguarding the health of employees as well as the public. For the love of humanity, stay home. Taking chances with the lives of others is criminal.
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You know these thoughts aren't healthy or normal, even given the current situation. Please seek professional help. Many practices are doing telehealth appointments right now. This isn't something random conversation with strangers in the grocery store can fix.cwolfman13 wrote: »BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I hate people.
So my doctor suggested that I attend the special early hours at the store this morning because my asthma has been so bad of late (plus other health issues). I took time off of work, got up early, put on my mask, and went. It was horrible. These are all people who should be social distancing the most. The elderly. Those with chronic health conditions. But no. It was like no one knew that social distancing meant! Especially the elderly! They couldn't wait 2 seconds so you could grab an item before they stood right next to you to look at stuff. They would come right at you with carts like a game of chicken. They wouldn't stay to one side of the aisle so you could pass safely. They pushed right past you to get in the store while you were trying to keep distance from those ahead of you.
I am not doing that again. Sunday mornings at opening were WAY better then that.
Everybody was doing that last time I went to the store a week ago, elderly or not. I do recall seeing something on the news about how the elderly population in my state (maybe other states too) are taking this situation the least seriously compared to other age groups, and are going out and about as much or more than always, and often with zero protection. Of course, everywhere they go is a store, church, or visiting friends and relatives - all things considered "essential" here. So you can't stop them, it's like seeing the train wreck about to happen...
I'm going to touch on something here.
It's not all that easy getting old in general. There's more isolation, more cynicism, more wariness, more financial fear, more anxiety for me by far than when I was younger. I'm 66.
I have said more than once over the past month, "I'm ready any time." Meaning, I'm not fighting death. I think at some point in my late fifties I really came to terms with death and the fact that it could happen at any time - and is far more likely now just because of the numbers. For a lot of us life is difficult at this stage. Lack of close relationships due to trust issues, geography and deaths of family. Lots of people have chronic illnesses they are fighting, and there's a lot of mental illness in general that I see in my acquaintance circle. There is a general sense of being tired of the fight, truly.
I'm not saying I purposely look for trouble. I'm wearing a mask, I'm quaratining food, I'm staying away from all people at all times. It does seem futile at times.
The other thing is that we've been going to the grocery store for five plus decades. The grocery store has habits and routines and it has always been a beehive, but a safe one. It's hard for Me to remain 6-feet-vigilent at the store. Old routines and habits kick in, "Get the stuff and get out quickly," is one that comes to mind. I was saying the other day, "If someone was within six feet of me in my parking lot, I'd be wary. It's difficult to make that mental switch at the grocery store, which is a safe place in my mind."
That’s really interesting to read because I came to the same conclusion when I went grocery shopping almost 2 weeks ago (in the U.K.), which is the only time I’ve been since lockdown began.
People were queuing outside quite well at the assigned markings but once inside the sparsely populated store it was quite noticeable that the people struggling most to maintain the 6 feet social distancing were the middle aged to elderly women. I said to my husband when I got home that it looked to me as if, once they got into the shop, a sort of autopilot kicked in because it was an activity they had done so often throughout their lives they were finding it hard to remain aware and were just ‘getting the job done.’
Also, I always go to the same store and I know where everything I need is. Putting me in a new store where I have to wander around and search for stuff makes me crazy.
I couldn’t agree with you more! There was a time I’m not very proud of just after I’d moved house to a completely different part of the country and went grocery shopping and I had what can only be described as a tearful meltdown because the layout of the store was not what I was used to! 😂
New stores always stress me out enormously!
It's funny how different people are. I've been purposely seeking out different stores in other areas of town. At this point, I LOVE that it takes longer. Plus I can ask directions, see what other people have found and ask if there was more on the shelf.....I'm stretching out every possible activity and doing everything I can to maximize interaction with actual living humans and conversations with them these days and new stores have been a good way to do that.
Stop stretching out and maximizing interaction!!!
You are endangering others as well as yourself. Is it worth it is you kill that cashier? Or their mom? How about if it kills you?
Instead call people on phone, write old fashioned letters, video conference friends or family , ect.
I think we all have to get through this the best way we can. You do you, I'll do me.
You are incredibly irresponsible.
Except the Boogey Man hasn't come. I see hospital census reports every afternoon. New hospitalizations, med-surg vs. C-ICU, number of surge teams deployed and their specialties, scattergrams of new case locations--while this is certainly a serious situation, we just haven't seen a lot of craziness. Sure, early action probably flattened the curve and I've complied with every new recommendation and generally exceeded public requirements. However, 24/7 isolation in a 600 sq foot apartment has me one anti-emetic away from an overdose. I spend hours contemplating whether a 9mm or .410 would be more effective and whether backfire on the revolver would cause me to miss and just hurt myself....the list and considerations are endless.It's pretty much the only thing I think about when I'm alone, even on FaceTime, even with Netflix, even with novels, even with journaling, even with walks, even with a workout mat, even with virtual events, even with professional development courses, even with (god help us all) cooking, even with searching out what remaining services exist (try finding two witnesses AND a notary in one place these days), even with work, even with projects, even with chores....it's just impossible to fill the time. I sleep as much as I can, but it hardly helps.
Outside is safer. Even for a little while every couple of days.
Agreed. This is stuff that goes well beyond social interaction wherever it can be found. @COGypsy I appreciate a lot of what you contribute to this community. I really hope that you are able to get some help with this. It's been a difficult time for many people, and we are all dealing with it the best we know how. Please reach out for support services. Does your employer have and EFAP program? Usually, they will have some online/phone counselling that can help. At least it would give you someone new to chat with.12 -
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Diatonic- Shut our parks down SanAntonio Texas same reason morons flocking3
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The state of MD:
The Maryland Department of Natural Resources reminds all anglers that under Governor Larry Hogan’s Stay at Home order, recreational fishing and boating and kayaking are prohibited activities. Limited exceptions exist only for individuals who fish as a matter of sustenance. In all cases, catch-and-release fishing is strictly prohibited anywhere in Maryland.
They are writing tickets left and right. In WV (last I checked) open water was still legal, put the boat in, take the boat out, keep your distance, and move on. We went this weekend and while on the water we watched people gathering at the camp spaces along the river (one spot had 6 or 7 vehicles and were in full cookout/party mode!). Police came through and shooed off the groups bank fishing because there were getting to be too many people in one area (unsure if tickets were involved from our distance away).5
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