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@Juliemouse83, visiting people in the hospital and they're *still* not masking up? Unbelievable.
What will it take to convince some people??? Oh wait, there's a news story about all those Covid parties going on, involving people who don't believe it's real. And 1 of the young participants is just barely living with the final throes of Covid, regretting that he didn't believe the reality. Why do so many people not believe until it's too late? Certainly they don't want to infect the person they care enough to visit do they? SMH So, I guess the only way to make them believe is for them to contract this miserable nasty life-changing virus.
Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best. 9 -
I work in healthcare and lately in the recovery room none of the nurses wear their masks or they wear them down on their necks. I was appalled. Not only for their safety, but moreso for the safety of the patients!13
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rheddmobile wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »Here in Illinois, the governor's mandate has been overturned - the law only allows for a 30 day public health mandate, and it's been in effect for 3x that long - and after that, my workplace has finally requested that employees wear masks. Not that they're doing a particularly good job of enforcing it, though. Supervisors have been required to wear masks for at least a month, and they've been wearing them mostly on their chins, not covering any of their breathing holes. That seems to be about the level of compliance they're seeking with employees, too. There are 3 theories: 1) The employee that caught Covid19 (just one!) died... 2) It's to shut up the employees that are asking for hazard pay... 3) It's tied to some of our coworkers vacationing in states that a new mandate requires a 2 week quarantine when returning from (but there are exemptions for essential workers, anyway, and UPS is not giving an extra 2 weeks off work just to quarantine.)
After the mask requirement at work (Wednesday) a union representative had a table set up by the door with a petition for hazard pay. So, that seems to point to theory #2. That doesn't mean we're not all curious whatever happened to the driver that got sick... If it's a breach of HIPAA to tell us if he's died, I guess passing a card and collecting donations for the widow would be, too. I don't socialize with the drivers, so I don't even know which one has been absent for the past 6 weeks.
With coworkers vacationing in Florida and New Jersey and returning to work with their naked faces and lack of social distancing, it's a wonder that more of us haven't gotten sick. I stopped wearing my masks at the beginning of June, when it started being 90 degrees inside, and volume picked up so that we were working twice the hours. After all, my mask protects all those other jerks and their lack of mask doesn't protect me... The extra discomfort isn't worthwhile in those circumstances. I've taken to spending my breaks in place so that nobody comes within 6 feet to socialize with me. My antisocial tendencies are serving me well.
Back in March, I asked not to work at the bay I had previously worked at, because there's no room to social distance, and my supervisors have mostly honored my request. But due to the nature of the work, we change bays as the trucks arrive, and at least once a week I spend at least half an hour less than 2 feet from the next guy. I still figure I'm more likely to bring it to work than catch it there - my husband still works at the hospital, after all - but they're no longer having daily briefings, and they've stopped telling him to expect to catch it.
I have not used hand sanitizer a single time since this madness started. I do my best not to touch my face, but since I'm taking the mask off to drink water every 15 minutes or so, so I don't dehydrate, I don't think I'm doing a great job of that. There's a single large container of hand sanitizer next to the bathroom that it is not feasible to visit every time I have to unmask to drink - besides, if I'm Right There, I'll just go in and wash with soap. The best part of this whole mess is that we've had paper towels and soap regularly since March. That's where they keep the wipes, too. Guess how often the equipment gets wiped, then? The SHARED equipment. Yeah.
Anyway, I guess think about that when you collect your packages from the front porch. We're choosing between keeping the PPE on, or keeping hydrated. The masks are definitely interfering with my hydration strategy.
In my understanding (from HIPAA compliance education received a long time ago, when I was part of our university's implementation effort), HIPAA would not prevent a non-health-care employer from telling other employees that a co-worker had died. Employers are not a covered entity under HIPAA.
My employer has told us they legally cannot tell us if a specific employee has tested positive because of medical privacy issues unless the employee in question authorized it. Whether or not that's HIPAA or some other legal requirement, I don't know. They can tell us someone anonymous tested positive, to explain why we have to quarantine for instance. If course as a small company it would be pretty easy to deduce!
That someone died, and what they died of, is a matter of public record, isn't it? Or am I just used to people ignoring privacy requirements lol?
As I understand it death certificates aren’t public until a certain number of years have passed. Will have to look that up.
Edit: looked it up, and it varies by state, but it’s usually 25 years before a death certificate becomes a matter of public record. In the case of Alaska, 50 years. Tennessee, they are usually closed, period - although I have relatives from Tennessee whose death certificates I have in their Ancestry files, so it just seems to be patchy.
In practice a death certificate can tell you a lot. I have a great uncle Felix who died before I was born, and I never knew anything about him or what kind of person he was. His death certificate revealed that he died of cirrhosis of the liver subsequent to alcoholism.
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CDC Advisor, Dr. William Schaffner, 'It's a lot easier to wear a mask than a ventilator.
I've been hiding in the piney trees for 14 days.
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@ReenieHJ I know! Some people’s kids!
Now, I wasn’t moving patients on a regular basis before this virus (it just so happened that my facility was going through productivity reviews when it hit) so I didn’t have many interactions with visitors in the rooms, but my team had told me that the best part about visitor restrictions was that they no longer had to deal with family members telling them how to do their jobs.
Fast forward a couple of months, and I went from 40 hr/week administrative supervisor to 8 hr/week supervisor, 32 he/week transporter, thanks to the reorganization and subsequent reduction in force. I lost five of 16. My first ever interaction with a visitor was just over a week ago. Even though I’ve been there 19 years (mostly behind a desk), I’m still the new girl transporter, so I have a lot to learn about locations on different units, etc.
I was entering a room to take the guy down to cardio and before I could get my introduction out, the wife interrupted me, shoved a pitcher in my face and told me to fill it with ice and water, and to also fetch her husband a food tray. Her mask was on at this point. I explained that I was checking in to take him down for his test, that I had to grab his chart and would have someone come in to see about food, would find out where the ice/water machine was and be right back to take care of that. After learning where to get the ice, I was on my way back and here comes my friend, who works in EVS, carrying the pitcher. Apparently the wife went into the hall and chased my friend down. Deb said the woman wasn’t very nice about it, either. Got back to the room, started doing my thing, and the mask is off, she is well within six feet of me, talking the whole time. I’m trying to get him out the door and her to put her mask back on. This one did, so there’s that.
I can handle someone being pushy and rude, because that was how people were before all this started, but to be in my space with your mask off? That is just inconsiderate, ignorant or both.
If one hard rule is to keep your mask on to visit your loved one? Just do it! You’re protecting every single healthcare worker that enters the room.16 -
So Indiana is now seeing a drastic increase in cases that can not be explained by increased testing. The statistics don't match up for it to be that.
I went shopping yesterday. Both groceries and some other things. I was surprised the number of people wearing masks and also keeping their distance. I was so happy.11 -
https://missoulacurrent.com/business/2020/07/missoula-masks-required/
Remember those no-smoking sections in restaurants. Smoke knows no boundaries. It took awhile and many pitched a ring-tailed fit when No Smoking became the rule. No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service is stepping up to the plate to save others. I saw a lorra, lorra ultra strong men and women with masks on and my respect for them tripled. In the parking lot of the small grocery store the locals were giving each other a thumbs UP and telling each other how much they cared from a distance.10 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »juliemouse83 wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »Here in Illinois, the governor's mandate has been overturned - the law only allows for a 30 day public health mandate, and it's been in effect for 3x that long - and after that, my workplace has finally requested that employees wear masks. Not that they're doing a particularly good job of enforcing it, though. Supervisors have been required to wear masks for at least a month, and they've been wearing them mostly on their chins, not covering any of their breathing holes. That seems to be about the level of compliance they're seeking with employees, too. There are 3 theories: 1) The employee that caught Covid19 (just one!) died... 2) It's to shut up the employees that are asking for hazard pay... 3) It's tied to some of our coworkers vacationing in states that a new mandate requires a 2 week quarantine when returning from (but there are exemptions for essential workers, anyway, and UPS is not giving an extra 2 weeks off work just to quarantine.)
After the mask requirement at work (Wednesday) a union representative had a table set up by the door with a petition for hazard pay. So, that seems to point to theory #2. That doesn't mean we're not all curious whatever happened to the driver that got sick... If it's a breach of HIPAA to tell us if he's died, I guess passing a card and collecting donations for the widow would be, too. I don't socialize with the drivers, so I don't even know which one has been absent for the past 6 weeks.
With coworkers vacationing in Florida and New Jersey and returning to work with their naked faces and lack of social distancing, it's a wonder that more of us haven't gotten sick. I stopped wearing my masks at the beginning of June, when it started being 90 degrees inside, and volume picked up so that we were working twice the hours. After all, my mask protects all those other jerks and their lack of mask doesn't protect me... The extra discomfort isn't worthwhile in those circumstances. I've taken to spending my breaks in place so that nobody comes within 6 feet to socialize with me. My antisocial tendencies are serving me well.
Back in March, I asked not to work at the bay I had previously worked at, because there's no room to social distance, and my supervisors have mostly honored my request. But due to the nature of the work, we change bays as the trucks arrive, and at least once a week I spend at least half an hour less than 2 feet from the next guy. I still figure I'm more likely to bring it to work than catch it there - my husband still works at the hospital, after all - but they're no longer having daily briefings, and they've stopped telling him to expect to catch it.
I have not used hand sanitizer a single time since this madness started. I do my best not to touch my face, but since I'm taking the mask off to drink water every 15 minutes or so, so I don't dehydrate, I don't think I'm doing a great job of that. There's a single large container of hand sanitizer next to the bathroom that it is not feasible to visit every time I have to unmask to drink - besides, if I'm Right There, I'll just go in and wash with soap. The best part of this whole mess is that we've had paper towels and soap regularly since March. That's where they keep the wipes, too. Guess how often the equipment gets wiped, then? The SHARED equipment. Yeah.
Anyway, I guess think about that when you collect your packages from the front porch. We're choosing between keeping the PPE on, or keeping hydrated. The masks are definitely interfering with my hydration strategy.
So, here’s the thing about hand sanitizer. According to CDC guidelines, we are supposed to clean our hands when donning masks, and again before doffing them, and again after taking them off. Now, when I’m in my car, about to go into a grocery store, I don’t have soap and water, so hand sanitizer, it is. Put on the mask, sanitize. Do the shopping, sanitize. Check out? Sanitize. Get the groceries loaded? Sanitize and take the blasted mask off.
People laugh at folks wearing their masks in their car on the highway and all I can think is that maybe they didn’t have sanitizer on them. 🤷♀️
I have sanitizer, but it still seems easier to wash my hands at home, put on my mask, leave my house, run all my errands (using hand sanitizer before and after each stop), go home, wash my hands, take my mask off, and wash my hands. Plus, if I were to take the mask off between stops, I would have to have some way to store it that would ensure face-facing surface never touched a surface that the outside-facing surface touched, and vice versa.
Me, too. Have hand sanitizer in the car, but it's just easier not to touch the mask until I get home. Fomite transmission, although real, is thought to play a small role; nonetheless I still wear gloves in public. I keep them in a plastic sack in my car, and typically several days (sufficient for viral decomposition) pass between uses. I put them on before going in store then doff them by putting my hands in the plastic bag and touching the outside of the bag only with my bare hands. Then sanitize. Probably does not good but certainly does no harm.
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I wash my hands before leaving the house, I also use sanitizing gel (always in my purse and a small one in the car), but I don't' wear a mask inside the car.
I am very claustrophobic and wearing a mask is not easy on me; I put my mask before leaving the car, and I take it off as soon as I am inside the car, and I use sanitizing gel. Masks get washed after each use by hand with soap and hot water, or with the laundry if I am due for one. And hand-washing is a never ending chore.
I don't do much shopping because I got Inst-cart to do it for me. I only go to doctors appointments or medical tests, and over 90% of the time I am inside my house and except for my husband, nobody else comes inside.5 -
Would love to know who disagreed with my post about death certificates and why, since it’s simply facts and not opinions, and disagreeing with facts doesn’t make a lot of sense to me!6
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rheddmobile wrote: »Would love to know who disagreed with my post about death certificates and why, since it’s simply facts and not opinions, and disagreeing with facts doesn’t make a lot of sense to me!
Either it was a phone scrolling accident or someone really thinks death certificates should be public!4 -
Went to the dentist for a cleaning on Friday—screening questions on the phone, called when I arrived, more screening questions & temperature check while masked, outside, front door locked before/after entrance—no non masked/temp checked person is getting in there!
Hygienist masked, gloves, w face shield, couldn’t polish teeth bc of possible aerosols.
2 patients in whole office at a time, and she was wiping down all the things we had to swish peroxide rinse before starting...glad I don’t have a strong gag reflex! I’m fine w that, just really wanted to see if the filling I thought was chipped was (yup. And has been since right after lockdown. Hoping not a lot of extra decay, but need a crown now). Covid is costing me a crown and a new retainer and months of new TMJ pain from teeth shifting bc previous retainer didn’t work w crown I got right bf Covid. Not to mention front teeth are now crooked when they never had been...so probably another round of invisiline. Bah, Covid.
Noticed they are charging us $20 per visit for PPE. Dentist is friendly w my husband and they were commiserating about how hard it was to get PPE for physician/dentist offices—dentist spent $10K at the beginning of lockdown on PPE for his solo office. I’m sure it’s been more since then—that was when he was only seeing emergencies.7 -
Talked to two people the other day that just made me angry. Both are required to wear masks for work, one takes his off whenever he thinks he can get away with it, the other ripped out the inner layers of mask, leaving thinnest of outer tissue type layer so he can technically comply while really not. I mean, why??? It’s like me, in total frustration, thinking of my impulsive and willful 4yo, “Why can you not just do the right thing??”14
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Diatonic12 wrote: »https://missoulacurrent.com/business/2020/07/missoula-masks-required/
Remember those no-smoking sections in restaurants. Smoke knows no boundaries. It took awhile and many pitched a ring-tailed fit when No Smoking became the rule. No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service is stepping up to the plate to save others. I saw a lorra, lorra ultra strong men and women with masks on and my respect for them tripled. In the parking lot of the small grocery store the locals were giving each other a thumbs UP and telling each other how much they cared from a distance.
I remember hearing that having a non-smoking section in an enclosed area was like having a no-peeing area in a pool.
Mask use is still quite substantial here, despite the fact that we only have one currently identified active case and a week's worth of negative test results. Although it's probably highest among women, and older folks, I see plenty of men and young people wearing them. At this point we don't have a mandate, the provincial recommendation is "face covering where physical distancing is a challenge".
Sanitizer is recommended when hand washing isn't possible. I can't use alcohol-based sanitizer as it causes contact dermatitis so I have to carry my own bottle of non-alcohol sanitizer since some stores have made hand sanitizing mandatory for entrance. I carry my own soap too as most of the commercial quality detergents are too harsh. I used the stuff in the bathrooms at work twice (forgot my little bottle before I went in) and the skin on my fingers has opened up in about five places. If I'd been using sanitizer regularly since March, I'd have no skin left on my hands at this point.10 -
My local county (in Virginia) just tentatively announced that grades 5 - 8 and high school will be on some kind of split schedule, but grades K - 4 will be regular everyday in class. As of right now my little nephews will be attending, though it sounds like they will be driven to school rather than taking the bus. My parents have recently started having my brother, SIL, and the boys over to their house and I asked if they will reconsider that once school starts and they said "we'll see". We have had relatively few cases here in Central VA and don't know anyone whose gotten it, and I think they're really convinced it's going to stay that way. There's really nothing I can say at this point, I just have to hope that's the case, or they at least go back to being more careful in time if things accelerate.
It's really bizarre seeing two people who were so over protective when we were little, and are so afraid of lots of let's say modern ideas, be so lackadaisical about this thing.
On a positive note, our parent company is still preaching everyone who possibly can working from home and masks mandated everywhere except if you're alone in your office if you come into work, so that's one thing I'm grateful I don't have to worry about!4 -
Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Would love to know who disagreed with my post about death certificates and why, since it’s simply facts and not opinions, and disagreeing with facts doesn’t make a lot of sense to me!
Either it was a phone scrolling accident or someone really thinks death certificates should be public!
Possibly a scrolling thing, but it's tempting to believe this thread is frequented by one of the drive-by grudge-disagreers, from looking at some of the patterns. 🤷♀️2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Would love to know who disagreed with my post about death certificates and why, since it’s simply facts and not opinions, and disagreeing with facts doesn’t make a lot of sense to me!
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My local county (in Virginia) just tentatively announced that grades 5 - 8 and high school will be on some kind of split schedule, but grades K - 4 will be regular everyday in class. As of right now my little nephews will be attending, though it sounds like they will be driven to school rather than taking the bus. My parents have recently started having my brother, SIL, and the boys over to their house and I asked if they will reconsider that once school starts and they said "we'll see". We have had relatively few cases here in Central VA and don't know anyone whose gotten it, and I think they're really convinced it's going to stay that way. There's really nothing I can say at this point, I just have to hope that's the case, or they at least go back to being more careful in time if things accelerate.
It's really bizarre seeing two people who were so over protective when we were little, and are so afraid of lots of let's say modern ideas, be so lackadaisical about this thing.
On a positive note, our parent company is still preaching everyone who possibly can working from home and masks mandated everywhere except if you're alone in your office if you come into work, so that's one thing I'm grateful I don't have to worry about!
It's been hard on my parents to not visit their great-grandchildren, but I tell them often how proud I am that they are taking it seriously. They also know I would insist on 2 weeks isolation if they did and being able to socialize with me has made this much easier on all of us.5 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »@ReenieHJ I know! Some people’s kids!
Now, I wasn’t moving patients on a regular basis before this virus (it just so happened that my facility was going through productivity reviews when it hit) so I didn’t have many interactions with visitors in the rooms, but my team had told me that the best part about visitor restrictions was that they no longer had to deal with family members telling them how to do their jobs.
Fast forward a couple of months, and I went from 40 hr/week administrative supervisor to 8 hr/week supervisor, 32 he/week transporter, thanks to the reorganization and subsequent reduction in force. I lost five of 16. My first ever interaction with a visitor was just over a week ago. Even though I’ve been there 19 years (mostly behind a desk), I’m still the new girl transporter, so I have a lot to learn about locations on different units, etc.
I was entering a room to take the guy down to cardio and before I could get my introduction out, the wife interrupted me, shoved a pitcher in my face and told me to fill it with ice and water, and to also fetch her husband a food tray. Her mask was on at this point. I explained that I was checking in to take him down for his test, that I had to grab his chart and would have someone come in to see about food, would find out where the ice/water machine was and be right back to take care of that. After learning where to get the ice, I was on my way back and here comes my friend, who works in EVS, carrying the pitcher. Apparently the wife went into the hall and chased my friend down. Deb said the woman wasn’t very nice about it, either. Got back to the room, started doing my thing, and the mask is off, she is well within six feet of me, talking the whole time. I’m trying to get him out the door and her to put her mask back on. This one did, so there’s that.
I can handle someone being pushy and rude, because that was how people were before all this started, but to be in my space with your mask off? That is just inconsiderate, ignorant or both.
If one hard rule is to keep your mask on to visit your loved one? Just do it! You’re protecting every single healthcare worker that enters the room.
The best thing is FOR SURE the lack of visitors. I'm still with 100% covid patients, so we havent started letting anyone back in, thankfully.8 -
Lemurcat2, yes, that's the incident. So sad and senseless and hope they throw the book at the 4 involved. 3
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@Juliemouse83, visiting people in the hospital and they're *still* not masking up? Unbelievable. What will it take to convince some people??? Oh wait, there's a news story about all those Covid parties going on, involving people who don't believe it's real. And 1 of the young participants is just barely living with the final throes of Covid, regretting that he didn't believe the reality. Why do so many people not believe until it's too late? Certainly they don't want to infect the person they care enough to visit do they? SMH So, I guess the only way to make them believe is for them to contract this miserable nasty life-changing virus.
Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
There was a 30 year old guy in TX that reportedly has died who thought COVID-19 was a hoax until he was dying from it. A post on FB by another person with the view that COVID-19 will drop out of the news cycle Nov 4, 2020 as if it is a hoax. I wonder what is being taught in high school level health science these days?
That was very sad about the bus driver assault and is the reason I just move away from those not wearing a mask. KY now has a mask mandate when in public places where social distancing is not possible but it does not seem to have an enforcement mandate associated with it. Talk is cheap but enforcing it can be expensive.
This morning the news of two law officers being ambushed in Texas, food chain supply issues in the news and other social unrest I decided to go to WalMart for core food and personal needs. They had a large new sign printed up at the one remaining entrance about the mask mandate but the employee at the door did not say anything to the ones not wearing a mask at the entrance or when shopping. As with the case of the bus driver you shared we know that the virus is helping push some over the edge so one is best not to make waves and die because of it.
It is good to not wish COVID-19 on one's enemy because it could lead to the death of one's friend. It looks like much of the USA may look like New York City a couple months ago but locals are still heading out to the beaches in FL I see on FB. The governor knows he can expect to lose his job if he closes the beaches again and may lose it if he does not. If the article that we can expect to be in this pandemic until 2022 proves to be correct we are in a world of hurt.
While typing this I have gone to the door twice because I thought I heard knocking but it turned out to be people down at the bridge target practicing and they are not using 22 rim fire hand guns and rifles either or I would not hear them shooting. Over the past 20 years many have been getting armed in case of social unrest like that couple in St. Louis (USA) last week protecting "their" property. There are many millions of rounds of ammo out there in every community in the USA and some that are ready to use it. The USA is not a place of all like minded citizens but that may be true of the entire free world today.
Coronavirus prep is getting more complex as the numbers of cases and deaths keep rising with no end in sight from what the professionals are saying but we knew that when the marches and counter marches started several months ago.6 -
Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.
Well, after a week of covid data speedily moving in the wrong direction in our area, he decided he could send regrets to the happy couple and not risk his health (and mine). I am greatly relieved
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On another note, I ran across this today - just anecdotal, but not terribly encouraging, account of likely re-infection after clearing covid-19 once http://bitly.ws/92Jk It doesn't surprise me, given the emerging data about how antibody level appears to fall over time.3
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On another note, I ran across this today - just anecdotal, but not terribly encouraging, account of likely re-infection after clearing covid-19 once http://bitly.ws/92Jk It doesn't surprise me, given the emerging data about how antibody level appears to fall over time.
That is not encouraging if it is proven factual. Actually some people have the more common flu types over and over. We just do not have hard science on COVID-19 yet but that should come down the road.3 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.6 -
Sanitizer is recommended when hand washing isn't possible. I can't use alcohol-based sanitizer as it causes contact dermatitis so I have to carry my own bottle of non-alcohol sanitizer since some stores have made hand sanitizing mandatory for entrance. I carry my own soap too as most of the commercial quality detergents are too harsh. I used the stuff in the bathrooms at work twice (forgot my little bottle before I went in) and the skin on my fingers has opened up in about five places. If I'd been using sanitizer regularly since March, I'd have no skin left on my hands at this point.
My daughter's hands break out terribly from almost all soaps, but sanitizer doesn't seem to bother her. Then again it's only like once a week she uses it (church, or she's been to the doctor once).
They did a soap substitution that gave her the worst rash I've seen on her hands. We had another "unusual" soap once when it was all they had, and it set us back on the rash again.
She now uses Cetaphil or Cerave face wash. We don't carry it around, as it seems once at church or something won't hurt, but I feel your pain.2 -
gradchica27 wrote: »Went to the dentist for a cleaning on Friday—screening questions on the phone, called when I arrived, more screening questions & temperature check while masked, outside, front door locked before/after entrance—no non masked/temp checked person is getting in there!
Hygienist masked, gloves, w face shield, couldn’t polish teeth bc of possible aerosols.
2 patients in whole office at a time, and she was wiping down all the things we had to swish peroxide rinse before starting...glad I don’t have a strong gag reflex! I’m fine w that, just really wanted to see if the filling I thought was chipped was (yup. And has been since right after lockdown. Hoping not a lot of extra decay, but need a crown now). Covid is costing me a crown and a new retainer and months of new TMJ pain from teeth shifting bc previous retainer didn’t work w crown I got right bf Covid. Not to mention front teeth are now crooked when they never had been...so probably another round of invisiline. Bah, Covid.
Noticed they are charging us $20 per visit for PPE. Dentist is friendly w my husband and they were commiserating about how hard it was to get PPE for physician/dentist offices—dentist spent $10K at the beginning of lockdown on PPE for his solo office. I’m sure it’s been more since then—that was when he was only seeing emergencies.
Ugh, this doesn't make me hopeful about my TMJ getting better. Although I see why my dentist wants to hold off on any night guards until all my work is complete. I've been to the dentist several times since covid hit, I was not charged extra for PPE.
It was said earlier - shouldn't dentists already be wearing masks and gloves? They just need to wear them longer/keep them on when talking. How do they get off charging your $20 extra? You can get a pack of 100 face shields on Amazon for $35 last I checked.
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@Juliemouse83, visiting people in the hospital and they're *still* not masking up? Unbelievable. What will it take to convince some people??? Oh wait, there's a news story about all those Covid parties going on, involving people who don't believe it's real. And 1 of the young participants is just barely living with the final throes of Covid, regretting that he didn't believe the reality. Why do so many people not believe until it's too late? Certainly they don't want to infect the person they care enough to visit do they? SMH So, I guess the only way to make them believe is for them to contract this miserable nasty life-changing virus.
Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Seriously. Are these people who not only don't believe covid is real but also don't believe in contagious diseases in general, and don't believe that people who are already seriously sick, whose immune systems already have enough to contend with, should be protected from whatever random cold or virus you may asympotmatically, presymptomatically, or postsymptomatically be carrying?
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »juliemouse83 wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »Here in Illinois, the governor's mandate has been overturned - the law only allows for a 30 day public health mandate, and it's been in effect for 3x that long - and after that, my workplace has finally requested that employees wear masks. Not that they're doing a particularly good job of enforcing it, though. Supervisors have been required to wear masks for at least a month, and they've been wearing them mostly on their chins, not covering any of their breathing holes. That seems to be about the level of compliance they're seeking with employees, too. There are 3 theories: 1) The employee that caught Covid19 (just one!) died... 2) It's to shut up the employees that are asking for hazard pay... 3) It's tied to some of our coworkers vacationing in states that a new mandate requires a 2 week quarantine when returning from (but there are exemptions for essential workers, anyway, and UPS is not giving an extra 2 weeks off work just to quarantine.)
After the mask requirement at work (Wednesday) a union representative had a table set up by the door with a petition for hazard pay. So, that seems to point to theory #2. That doesn't mean we're not all curious whatever happened to the driver that got sick... If it's a breach of HIPAA to tell us if he's died, I guess passing a card and collecting donations for the widow would be, too. I don't socialize with the drivers, so I don't even know which one has been absent for the past 6 weeks.
With coworkers vacationing in Florida and New Jersey and returning to work with their naked faces and lack of social distancing, it's a wonder that more of us haven't gotten sick. I stopped wearing my masks at the beginning of June, when it started being 90 degrees inside, and volume picked up so that we were working twice the hours. After all, my mask protects all those other jerks and their lack of mask doesn't protect me... The extra discomfort isn't worthwhile in those circumstances. I've taken to spending my breaks in place so that nobody comes within 6 feet to socialize with me. My antisocial tendencies are serving me well.
Back in March, I asked not to work at the bay I had previously worked at, because there's no room to social distance, and my supervisors have mostly honored my request. But due to the nature of the work, we change bays as the trucks arrive, and at least once a week I spend at least half an hour less than 2 feet from the next guy. I still figure I'm more likely to bring it to work than catch it there - my husband still works at the hospital, after all - but they're no longer having daily briefings, and they've stopped telling him to expect to catch it.
I have not used hand sanitizer a single time since this madness started. I do my best not to touch my face, but since I'm taking the mask off to drink water every 15 minutes or so, so I don't dehydrate, I don't think I'm doing a great job of that. There's a single large container of hand sanitizer next to the bathroom that it is not feasible to visit every time I have to unmask to drink - besides, if I'm Right There, I'll just go in and wash with soap. The best part of this whole mess is that we've had paper towels and soap regularly since March. That's where they keep the wipes, too. Guess how often the equipment gets wiped, then? The SHARED equipment. Yeah.
Anyway, I guess think about that when you collect your packages from the front porch. We're choosing between keeping the PPE on, or keeping hydrated. The masks are definitely interfering with my hydration strategy.
So, here’s the thing about hand sanitizer. According to CDC guidelines, we are supposed to clean our hands when donning masks, and again before doffing them, and again after taking them off. Now, when I’m in my car, about to go into a grocery store, I don’t have soap and water, so hand sanitizer, it is. Put on the mask, sanitize. Do the shopping, sanitize. Check out? Sanitize. Get the groceries loaded? Sanitize and take the blasted mask off.
People laugh at folks wearing their masks in their car on the highway and all I can think is that maybe they didn’t have sanitizer on them. 🤷♀️
I have sanitizer, but it still seems easier to wash my hands at home, put on my mask, leave my house, run all my errands (using hand sanitizer before and after each stop), go home, wash my hands, take my mask off, and wash my hands. Plus, if I were to take the mask off between stops, I would have to have some way to store it that would ensure face-facing surface never touched a surface that the outside-facing surface touched, and vice versa.
Me, too. Have hand sanitizer in the car, but it's just easier not to touch the mask until I get home. Fomite transmission, although real, is thought to play a small role; nonetheless I still wear gloves in public. I keep them in a plastic sack in my car, and typically several days (sufficient for viral decomposition) pass between uses. I put them on before going in store then doff them by putting my hands in the plastic bag and touching the outside of the bag only with my bare hands. Then sanitize. Probably does not good but certainly does no harm.
Great analogy re: smoking in restaurants!
To me the main advantage of gloves would be making me more aware if I was absent-mindedly touching my face, but I feel like the mask keeps me pretty hyper-aware of that. For me, it feels easier to wash and sanitize my hands (which, as you point out, you're doing away) than to deal with gloves, but if you feel like it's adding a margin of safety, I'm all for it. I can't understand people criticizing other people's efforts aimed at personal safety and public health.
I do wear gloves sometimes for the extra cleaning around the house with bleach products, which in the past I used less, preferring, especially in the kitchen, to use vinegar, baking soda, and a "green" product intended for cleaning produce that I have found effective for sticky messes.5
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