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rheddmobile wrote: »Would love to know who disagreed with my post about death certificates and why, since it’s simply facts and not opinions, and disagreeing with facts doesn’t make a lot of sense to me!
It wasn't me, but these days I pretty much expect to pick up one or two disagrees on any post. It's not worth worrying about.7 -
Never, ever, would I have imagined the controversy that face masks have been... and how they have become political?? Seriously?? Blows my mind. I have a friend who is very VERY against them, to the point of angry tears. We (myself and two other ladies) walk together each week and the transformation of mindsets and opinions on the world during this time has been interesting to observe. I am the odd ball that wears a mask consistently, as does my family, and do so willingly to show my love for those around me - We don’t wear them for us, we wear them for others. They see it from a completely different viewpoint and I walk silently during their rants each week, not knowing what to say in such heated moments.19
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Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries.
WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
In our area, when shutdown orders first went into place, you had to enter from the door at the middle of the bus, and they suspended fares. I'm not sure if the mirrors for drivers are good enough to let them see whether someone at the middle of the bus is wearing a mask, and how they would deal with it if there was one person not wearing a mask and another who was (pretty sure the non-mask-wearer would not comply with a request not to board if the driver opened the door for the mask-wearer). Plus, I don't think the drivers should be put in a situation of enforcement/confrontation with anti-social individuals whose response might be to beat them to death.
Another situation I don't know the answer for. Maybe we're already living in a dystopian future, and just haven't noticed.4 -
@moonangel12, what is their exact complaint? I ask because it is just so easy for me to wear a mask that it is hard for me to imagine that so many people object so much.
I understand that a few people have panic attacks or other reasons. But I really don’t understand the ANGER about masks.
One lady doesn’t wear one when she doesn’t have to just because she doesn’t want to, but when her work told her she had to, she didn’t question it at all, just put it on and always wears one to work. Still not anywhere else.1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.
How does that work? Is the farebox attached to the outside of the bus? The places I've used buses, the fareboxes are inside the bus, next to the driver so s/he can see if you pay or not. And if you can't get on if you're not wearing a mask, does that mean that all the mask-wearers at a stop with one non-mask-wearer gets left behind? All the scenarios I'm imagining where this works involves a level of compliance that I wouldn't expect from someone who has already decided not to mask (e.g., the door opens for the mask-wearers, and the non-mask-wearer just doesn't get on because they're not supposed to).
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I couldn’t decide to include that detail or not, but it’s for religious reasons so I hesitate to put the exact reason because it has potential to become a heated debate. Loosely, she feels masks and plexiglass dividers are from the devil. The other friend is menopausal and has pretty consistent hot flashes so she doesn’t like the masks for that reason. They are also starting to buy into the conspiracy theories that are floating around.corinasue1143 wrote: »@moonangel12, what is their exact complaint? I ask because it is just so easy for me to wear a mask that it is hard for me to imagine that so many people object so much.
I understand that a few people have panic attacks or other reasons. But I really don’t understand the ANGER about masks.
One lady doesn’t wear one when she doesn’t have to just because she doesn’t want to, but when her work told her she had to, she didn’t question it at all, just put it on and always wears one to work. Still not anywhere else.
I, personally, have had a couple issues with my mask because of my asthma so I am more careful about material choice. One in particular had a tighter weave fabric and the couple times I wore it for longer durations I ended up dizzy enough I had to pull the bottom open and take deep breaths so I just don’t use it anymore and opt for the thinner one, unfortunately less protection overall, but it’s what I need to be able to function in the heat and humidity.
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My brother is 65, has heart issues and diabetes, and his wife isn't in the best of health either. I am one of our BIL's caregivers. He's 81 and is in the final stages of Alzheimer's along with heart issues. My sister(with a lot auto-immune issues) is trying to get our brother on board for being a caregiver as well. He and I were at their house together last week, I wore a mask, he did not. I just don't get it at all.
While the # of positive cases in our area are small due to living in a small town and rural state, it's still present and has increased slightly. And we all know how quickly it can jump from 1 single person to a whole group. People are mistakenly letting their guard down. 10 -
Earlier, we had seen a lot of anti-maskers getting through fine while they killed others who were more vulnerable. The discussion was that Darwin got it wrong. As some who went to Covid parties die, I can't help but feel some sense of satisfaction that Darwinism is finally working.5
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Went grocery shopping in Marana (the neighboring town where the mayor refuses to enforce mask ordinances) and for the first time there was 100% mask compliance. And this is a super Fry's, so it's a huge store.
I guess that the ordering of refrigerated trucks to support the morgues in AZ and TX finally got through to some obstinate anti-maskers.
We also ate out on a patio again -- 112 degrees. Wasn't pleasant but we needed to get out of the house. Wore the mask while going through the restaurant and took it off outside. We were the only ones outside until the very end than another couple braved the heat.
But, it's raining right now... Hallelujah! And not little tiny drops, it's pouring. Real hard rain, which is lovely here this time of year. Drops the temps rapidly once the rain starts. We get 70% of our annual rainfall in like six weeks, though last year it poured in Nov and Dec.
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I work in a hospital in a hot zone right now and I cannot tell you the thousands of dollars of construction we have done to build negative pressure areas. They’re paying for traveling nurses. The morgue is full and they’re doing something by the ER construction wise which I feel could be a field morgue based on the morgue being full and ER usually needs to be close to the morgue. Anyone can reason they’re not spending all this money to make their hospital look like a war zone for a hoax. We are losing revenue from elective stuff. Our big wigs have all taken a pay cut. Doctors have taken one in our largest Md group. I’m not even gonna get my regular raise this year bc they’re putting so much into corona prep.
When we face time or zoom people who don’t live here, two people have called it a hoax. I don’t even argue because that kind of stupidity just can’t be reasoned with.
Thank you for the mask wearers posting!!! You’re doing right for yourself and everyone else. There have been a number of times I’ve been with a Covid positive patient without an n95 for a brief period of time (just a regular mask and hand hygiene and good habits) and thankfully it has been enough in those instances so it does work...even if it’s not an n95 something is better than nothing if you’re just around someone for a short periods like the grocery store.22 -
Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.
How does that work? Is the farebox attached to the outside of the bus? The places I've used buses, the fareboxes are inside the bus, next to the driver so s/he can see if you pay or not. And if you can't get on if you're not wearing a mask, does that mean that all the mask-wearers at a stop with one non-mask-wearer gets left behind? All the scenarios I'm imagining where this works involves a level of compliance that I wouldn't expect from someone who has already decided not to mask (e.g., the door opens for the mask-wearers, and the non-mask-wearer just doesn't get on because they're not supposed to).
You step up (or use the ramp if it's someone who needs that) and then tap the box inside with your card or pay with cash. (There is a clear door between the box and the driver.) He/she can say "you haven't paid" if they don't, and could also say "put on a mask if you want to come in or get off." Since the vast majority of people are compliant here, I can't see how someone could just barge their way on if that's not a problem with people who don't pay already (and I've never heard that it is). I really don't see how requiring a mask is more difficult than requiring payment.3 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
The point is that your mask does very little to protect you (unless N95 or higher). The value for everyone else is several times greater than it is for you, the wearer.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
The point is that your mask does very little to protect you (unless N95 or higher). The value for everyone else is several times greater than it is for you, the wearer.
That could be why so many people don't want to wear them. It is simply self centered selfishness.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
The point is that your mask does very little to protect you (unless N95 or higher). The value for everyone else is several times greater than it is for you, the wearer.
I disagree. It does protect you to a great extent. Not 100% for sure, but depending on the fabric and fit, maybe up to 80%.
That’s a lot!
I know the officials are saying otherwise, But they did an about face when they first told us masks are no good, don’t use them. Then they said masks are good, wear them. They were always good. They were always good for yourself, as well as others.
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corinasue1143 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for your reply @moonangel12 . I hadn’t thought of hot flashes, but I understand. Of course people with breathing difficulties are going to have to figure out a way that works for them, but they’re not automatically angry. It’s the ANGRY people I don’t understand. I’ve looked at some of the conspiracy theories, and I guess they’re pretty persuasive. Maybe that’s where some of the anger comes from. I see people not wearing masks when 90% are. I just always think they have a reason. But I’ve been lucky enough to not run into any of those angry people yet.
I also believe strongly that masks protect us, as well as the other person. I hear so many people say that you wear them to protect the other person and the other person wears one to protect you. But I definitely wear mine to protect ME. I also wash my hands often to protect ME. If it protects you too, that’s a good thing. Partly because if you don’t get it, that’s one less person who could possibly give it to me and my loved ones.
The point is that your mask does very little to protect you (unless N95 or higher). The value for everyone else is several times greater than it is for you, the wearer.
I disagree. It does protect you to a great extent. Not 100% for sure, but depending on the fabric and fit, maybe up to 80%.
That’s a lot!
I know the officials are saying otherwise, But they did an about face when they first told us masks are no good, don’t use them. Then they said masks are good, wear them. They were always good. They were always good for yourself, as well as others.
I have KN 95 masks now. I was using an old, used N95 (from dusting/sanding) but it got so nasty that I bought some KN 95 masks off of Aliexpress. I know that the Chinese govt hiding numbers was awful, but KN 95 masks are nearly as good as N95 masks. Even 3M, the maker of N95 masks said they are a suitable replacement for N95s, which healthcare workers desperately need right now. KN95s are the Chinese version of N95s. A little more "leakage" but way better than most homemade masks.
I bought a lot of 50 for the local hospital early in the pandemic (for a guy that worked in the respiratory Dept asking for them). He was perfectly fine with the KN 95s but didn't want the homemade masks -- while he appreciated the volunteers doing that (and they are better than nothing) -- the KN 95s offer much more protection in a clinical setting.
Since the rest of the developed world has Covid-19 nearly under control, KN95 masks are available if someone wants something better than a homemade one. Aliexpress is like the Chinese version of Amazon. Just make sure they are shipped/warehoused in the US so they don't take 2 months to get here.2 -
https://newsweek.com/scans-reveal-heart-damage-over-half-covid-19-patients-study-1517293
Here is another issue that may be worth watching. I thought it had a paywall but it was able to click through the pop-ups.
I am starting to get the message COVID-19 as the potential to wreck every system in the body in some cases. It will be interesting to follow the future mortality rates of former COVID-19 patients over the coming decades.5 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.
How does that work? Is the farebox attached to the outside of the bus? The places I've used buses, the fareboxes are inside the bus, next to the driver so s/he can see if you pay or not. And if you can't get on if you're not wearing a mask, does that mean that all the mask-wearers at a stop with one non-mask-wearer gets left behind? All the scenarios I'm imagining where this works involves a level of compliance that I wouldn't expect from someone who has already decided not to mask (e.g., the door opens for the mask-wearers, and the non-mask-wearer just doesn't get on because they're not supposed to).
You step up (or use the ramp if it's someone who needs that) and then tap the box inside with your card or pay with cash. (There is a clear door between the box and the driver.) He/she can say "you haven't paid" if they don't, and could also say "put on a mask if you want to come in or get off." Since the vast majority of people are compliant here, I can't see how someone could just barge their way on if that's not a problem with people who don't pay already (and I've never heard that it is). I really don't see how requiring a mask is more difficult than requiring payment.
So it's like an airlock? The second, clear door prevents you from continuing to the seats, as well as prevents you from reaching the driver? I'm glad you live somewhere that everyone is generally compliant and that has designed its buses to deal with noncompliance.
I know we've always had a small percentage of people who try to avoid the fares (boarding from the middle or just brushing past the fare box and sometimes becoming aggressive or violent if the driver calls them on it), so it's hard for me to imagine any system that would be effective here to prevent those who refuse to wear a mask from getting on a bus.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.
How does that work? Is the farebox attached to the outside of the bus? The places I've used buses, the fareboxes are inside the bus, next to the driver so s/he can see if you pay or not. And if you can't get on if you're not wearing a mask, does that mean that all the mask-wearers at a stop with one non-mask-wearer gets left behind? All the scenarios I'm imagining where this works involves a level of compliance that I wouldn't expect from someone who has already decided not to mask (e.g., the door opens for the mask-wearers, and the non-mask-wearer just doesn't get on because they're not supposed to).
You step up (or use the ramp if it's someone who needs that) and then tap the box inside with your card or pay with cash. (There is a clear door between the box and the driver.) He/she can say "you haven't paid" if they don't, and could also say "put on a mask if you want to come in or get off." Since the vast majority of people are compliant here, I can't see how someone could just barge their way on if that's not a problem with people who don't pay already (and I've never heard that it is). I really don't see how requiring a mask is more difficult than requiring payment.
So it's like an airlock? The second, clear door prevents you from continuing to the seats, as well as prevents you from reaching the driver? I'm glad you live somewhere that everyone is generally compliant and that has designed its buses to deal with noncompliance.
No, it doesn't prevent you from continuing to the seats, it protects the driver. I suppose if someone got on without paying, the driver would call security/police to meet the bus at a future stop -- never ever seen anyone do that, though, there's not a problem with people just getting on without paying (like I said, it's possible this is different in higher crime neighborhoods). The point is it seems like it would be similar to requiring fare payment, not different in kind (especially since most people are wearing masks and would be on the driver's side).
I suspect people are somewhat more compliant here vs some of the other stories I've heard in this forum since our numbers were very bad early on compared to many places, so people are less likely to take it lightly. (Numbers still aren't all that great, IMO.)
The L has security, but the driver also cannot see what most people are doing, so enforcing it there would be more difficult.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries. WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.
How does that work? Is the farebox attached to the outside of the bus? The places I've used buses, the fareboxes are inside the bus, next to the driver so s/he can see if you pay or not. And if you can't get on if you're not wearing a mask, does that mean that all the mask-wearers at a stop with one non-mask-wearer gets left behind? All the scenarios I'm imagining where this works involves a level of compliance that I wouldn't expect from someone who has already decided not to mask (e.g., the door opens for the mask-wearers, and the non-mask-wearer just doesn't get on because they're not supposed to).
You step up (or use the ramp if it's someone who needs that) and then tap the box inside with your card or pay with cash. (There is a clear door between the box and the driver.) He/she can say "you haven't paid" if they don't, and could also say "put on a mask if you want to come in or get off." Since the vast majority of people are compliant here, I can't see how someone could just barge their way on if that's not a problem with people who don't pay already (and I've never heard that it is). I really don't see how requiring a mask is more difficult than requiring payment.
So it's like an airlock? The second, clear door prevents you from continuing to the seats, as well as prevents you from reaching the driver? I'm glad you live somewhere that everyone is generally compliant and that has designed its buses to deal with noncompliance.
No, it doesn't prevent you from continuing to the seats, it protects the driver. I suppose if someone got on without paying, the driver would call security/police to meet the bus at a future stop -- never ever seen anyone do that, though, there's not a problem with people just getting on without paying (like I said, it's possible this is different in higher crime neighborhoods). The point is it seems like it would be similar to requiring fare payment, not different in kind (especially since most people are wearing masks and would be on the driver's side).
I suspect people are somewhat more compliant here vs some of the other stories I've heard in this forum since our numbers were very bad early on compared to many places, so people are less likely to take it lightly. (Numbers still aren't all that great, IMO.)
The L has security, but the driver also cannot see what most people are doing, so enforcing it there would be more difficult.
Thanks for explaining. I'm glad some place (Chicago?) has it figured out. The clear door protecting the driver seems like a good idea. Wish we had them here. I've seen some truly awful footage of drivers being attacked in recent years, now that there are security cams on the buses.2 -
While out this morning, (UK) a fellow customer was heard asking, " what is social distancing". How many weeks have we been living with virus related restrictions?
I feel for our US friends, I'm in a county where there have been no deaths since the 15th of June, long may it last and happen in more areas. Too much to hope the virus will disappear overnight everywhere.13 -
While out this morning, (UK) a fellow customer was heard asking, " what is social distancing". How many weeks have we been living with virus related restrictions?
I feel for our US friends, I'm in a county where there have been no deaths since the 15th of June, long may it last and happen in more areas. Too much to hope the virus will disappear overnight everywhere.
I think we need "America/Britain/Polynesia/etc.'s Got Talent" to feature performers who explain social distancing and mask use, and a "Bachelor/Batchelorette" who quizes potential mates about coronavirus precautions, and . . . .
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We finally got the official announcement about the Chicago Marathon cancelling. I think we all knew it would happen and were waiting to finally get the official announcement. I deferred Marine Corps Marathon to 2021 and will run the 2020 MCM virtually. So that leaves a local half marathon in Sept. rescheduled from Apr. I think that might actually happen, will see.
Now I just need to figure out where to run the virtual MCM. Thinking of trying to find a good trail maybe.6 -
Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.
Well, after a week of covid data speedily moving in the wrong direction in our area, he decided he could send regrets to the happy couple and not risk his health (and mine). I am greatly relieved
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autumnblade75 wrote: »ExistingFish wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »I have not used hand sanitizer a single time since this madness started. I do my best not to touch my face, but since I'm taking the mask off to drink water every 15 minutes or so, so I don't dehydrate, I don't think I'm doing a great job of that. There's a single large container of hand sanitizer next to the bathroom that it is not feasible to visit every time I have to unmask to drink - besides, if I'm Right There, I'll just go in and wash with soap. The best part of this whole mess is that we've had paper towels and soap regularly since March. That's where they keep the wipes, too. Guess how often the equipment gets wiped, then? The SHARED equipment. Yeah.
Why not hand sanitizer? I have small bottles in my car and purse, I use before and after going in places. I am required to use it going into the gym (the bathroom is across the building) - their stinks. I swear it is just alcohol. Really liquidy.
Just wondered because I have almost never used hand sanitizer, my use has increased exponentially.
Washing with soap is more effective, anyway. It gives me a headache when my husband uses the stuff, I'm certainly not going to inflict my own hands with that odor.
I have chemical sensitivity and generally do not use products like hand sanitizer since many artificial fragrances make me sick.
However, last time I was at a VA facility I did use it with no problem. Might have been the brand; might have been my mask.5 -
ExistingFish wrote: »
Sanitizer is recommended when hand washing isn't possible. I can't use alcohol-based sanitizer as it causes contact dermatitis so I have to carry my own bottle of non-alcohol sanitizer since some stores have made hand sanitizing mandatory for entrance. I carry my own soap too as most of the commercial quality detergents are too harsh. I used the stuff in the bathrooms at work twice (forgot my little bottle before I went in) and the skin on my fingers has opened up in about five places. If I'd been using sanitizer regularly since March, I'd have no skin left on my hands at this point.
My daughter's hands break out terribly from almost all soaps, but sanitizer doesn't seem to bother her. Then again it's only like once a week she uses it (church, or she's been to the doctor once).
They did a soap substitution that gave her the worst rash I've seen on her hands. We had another "unusual" soap once when it was all they had, and it set us back on the rash again.
She now uses Cetaphil or Cerave face wash. We don't carry it around, as it seems once at church or something won't hurt, but I feel your pain.
I'm team Cetaphil all the way. Regular cleanser, Cetaphil face cleanser, Cetaphil baby wash in the shower, Cetaphil moisturizer. (La Roche Posay is another good one)
I think my issues probably stem from lifelong eczema and prolonged use of cortisone ointments, in the years before they knew that wasn't a good practice because it permanently alters your skin. So now I have hands that need $26 hand creams.9 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »I work in a hospital in a hot zone right now and I cannot tell you the thousands of dollars of construction we have done to build negative pressure areas. They’re paying for traveling nurses. The morgue is full and they’re doing something by the ER construction wise which I feel could be a field morgue based on the morgue being full and ER usually needs to be close to the morgue. Anyone can reason they’re not spending all this money to make their hospital look like a war zone for a hoax. We are losing revenue from elective stuff. Our big wigs have all taken a pay cut. Doctors have taken one in our largest Md group. I’m not even gonna get my regular raise this year bc they’re putting so much into corona prep.
When we face time or zoom people who don’t live here, two people have called it a hoax. I don’t even argue because that kind of stupidity just can’t be reasoned with.
Thank you for the mask wearers posting!!! You’re doing right for yourself and everyone else. There have been a number of times I’ve been with a Covid positive patient without an n95 for a brief period of time (just a regular mask and hand hygiene and good habits) and thankfully it has been enough in those instances so it does work...even if it’s not an n95 something is better than nothing if you’re just around someone for a short periods like the grocery store.
Thanks for your service out there. Stay safe.
Thank you from me too for all you do, and please be safe. I wish the government would use the money allocated to build the stupid wall to improve hospital capacity, medical equipment, and payment for the doctors, nurses and all hospital staff instead.
The governor of California ordered today another shut-down of non essential offices, hair and nails salons, bars, dine-in restaurants, entertainment parks, etc.
(https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/us/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html). If people don't take this pandemic seriously half of the USA population will be 6 feet under in a couple of years, unless an effective vaccine is found.
Don't count on herd immunity (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/opinions/herd-immunity-covid-19-uncomfortable-reality-haseltine/index.html)5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »We finally got the official announcement about the Chicago Marathon cancelling. I think we all knew it would happen and were waiting to finally get the official announcement.
I saw that and thought of you.1 -
nm. Don't feel like defending that.1
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While out this morning, (UK) a fellow customer was heard asking, " what is social distancing". How many weeks have we been living with virus related restrictions?
I feel for our US friends, I'm in a county where there have been no deaths since the 15th of June, long may it last and happen in more areas. Too much to hope the virus will disappear overnight everywhere.
I think we need "America/Britain/Polynesia/etc.'s Got Talent" to feature performers who explain social distancing and mask use, and a "Bachelor/Batchelorette" who quizes potential mates about coronavirus precautions, and . . . .
Or maybe the Masked Singer could explain it ... to music.2
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