Coronavirus prep
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Diatonic12 wrote: »@MikePfirrman Yesterday, we went UP to the higher elevations to get away from all of the pesky tourists swarming this place. We couldn't get away from them. I would pull the truck over to take photos and 10 cars would pull over right behind me. Everyone would jump out and run over to stand right by me. They all wanted to see what I was looking at. I realized these people were desperate to see wildlife of any kind. It was sad because they're literally stomping everything into dust. Talk about a herd mentality. Every year it's another million or two above the previous year. 'Rona hasn't slowed them down one iota. The motels are all No Vacancy, stacked on top of each other in the restaurants, standing outside around the block.
I'm cabbaging onto your optimism and going along for the ride.
Just curious. Did all these people wear masks?1 -
Speaking of Herd Stupidity, oops, I mean Herd Immunity, German study on cell phone data just came out related to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-in-south-dakota-in-august-linked-to-more-than-250000-coronavirus-cases-study-finds-2020-09-08?siteid=yhoof211 -
My company just announced that all in US and several other countries that can will work remotely until at least January, 2021, extended from October, 2020.
Getting sick of this stuff.4 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Speaking of Herd Stupidity, oops, I mean Herd Immunity, German study on cell phone data just came out related to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-in-south-dakota-in-august-linked-to-more-than-250000-coronavirus-cases-study-finds-2020-09-08?siteid=yhoof2
So $786 million was injected into the South Dakota economy due to the rally, and the state collected $1.26 million in tax revenue, but it's gonna cost the rest of the country $12 billion in health care costs for treating infections linked to the rally and spread out all across the country? Nice work.
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On their way home from Sturgis many of them traveled through here.^^Not a mask in sight. It's been that way throughout the summer. Ran into a new clerk at the grocery store who was wishing there were more things in town for the tourists to do. Everything shows on my face even with a mask on.
Second verse same as the first. Here we go again. It's Groundhog Day. We haven't moved very far since the beginning of this thread. Now they're talking about some with long term heart damage. It reminds me of rheumatic fever. They keep telling us to take our flu shots now on the radio. This place is a clearinghouse for everyone from all over the world. They come here and we've been exposed to everything they've brought with them.
I've been doing all I know how to do to keep the folkaronies safe. I run all of their errands for them. Take them to their appointments. I loaded them up for a picnic in the middle of the woods. Threw an army blanket on the ground and unloaded the picnic. Had to keep my eyes open for grizzlies all around because they're really on the move right now and they are very hungry. Sightings everywhere. They knew early winter was coming and now it is here.
So far, I have only one benefit. A tiny hiney.
I have been running UP and down so many flights of stairs, loading and unloading every box ordered from Ammy, groceries, irrigating and mowing. Feeding critters. I visit here for a respite but you could bounce a quarter off my rearend. That's the only benefit. 13 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Speaking of Herd Stupidity, oops, I mean Herd Immunity, German study on cell phone data just came out related to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-in-south-dakota-in-august-linked-to-more-than-250000-coronavirus-cases-study-finds-2020-09-08?siteid=yhoof2
So $786 million was injected into the South Dakota economy due to the rally, and the state collected $1.26 million in tax revenue, but it's gonna cost the rest of the country $12 billion in health care costs for treating infections linked to the rally and spread out all across the country? Nice work.
Trillions are being borrowed to cover pandemic cost and we do not have to pay it back. That responsibility will fall on the grand kids.
What COVID-19 is doing to many retirement income sources is not funny. Short term costs are huge but is just a drop in the bucket when compared to the long costs. 6 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »On their way home from Sturgis many of them traveled through here.^^Not a mask in sight. It's been that way throughout the summer. Ran into a new clerk at the grocery store who was wishing there were more things in town for the tourists to do. Everything shows on my face even with a mask on.
Second verse same as the first. Here we go again. It's Groundhog Day. We haven't moved very far since the beginning of this thread. Now they're talking about some with long term heart damage. It reminds me of rheumatic fever. They keep telling us to take our flu shots now on the radio. This place is a clearinghouse for everyone from all over the world. They come here and we've been exposed to everything they've brought with them.
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Even back when everybody was saying covid-19 was just like the flu, I kept remembering that my grandfather was invalided out of the army during WWI because of heart damage from the "Spanish" flu. The military paid him a pension for more than 60 years because of that. (To be fair, he continued to work for most of his life as a farmer and in various side gigs that were at least mildly physical. But he wasn't healthy enough to be used as cannon fodder in the trenches in France, apparently.)10 -
This is the latest, and we are only at the beginning of the school year with many places open for in person classes.
Half a million US children have been diagnosed with Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/health/half-million-us-children-covid-wellness/index.html5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Speaking of Herd Stupidity, oops, I mean Herd Immunity, German study on cell phone data just came out related to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-in-south-dakota-in-august-linked-to-more-than-250000-coronavirus-cases-study-finds-2020-09-08?siteid=yhoof2
So $786 million was injected into the South Dakota economy due to the rally, and the state collected $1.26 million in tax revenue, but it's gonna cost the rest of the country $12 billion in health care costs for treating infections linked to the rally and spread out all across the country? Nice work.
Trillions are being borrowed to cover pandemic cost and we do not have to pay it back. That responsibility will fall on the grand kids.What COVID-19 is doing to many retirement income sources is not funny. Short term costs are huge but is just a drop in the bucket when compared to the long costs.
Can you say a little more about what you mean in the bolded? I kinda don't get it, so I think I'm missing something.
The main retirement sources I can think of are pensions, social security, and investments.
Pensions are rare these days, maybe endangered by companies going out of business or disastrously retrenching, but I haven't heard/read much to this effect. Social security does seem to be threatened by at least one of the strategies for putting more money in people's pockets in the short run, but it remains to be seen how that will play out. (Ideology seems to enter in here, but I won't go further than that general statement to avoid partisan political talk.) Investments, so far, if we mean stocks and bonds primarily, seem to be much more even keel so far than one might've expected. I would've thought more people would be dependent on that source now/future, because of defined contribution plans having replaced pensions in many cases.
What are you seeing, that makes you say the bolded? If it's just the deficit spending worrying you in general, related to retirement, what are scenario(s) are you visualizing?
I take your point about the grandkids.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Speaking of Herd Stupidity, oops, I mean Herd Immunity, German study on cell phone data just came out related to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-in-south-dakota-in-august-linked-to-more-than-250000-coronavirus-cases-study-finds-2020-09-08?siteid=yhoof2
So $786 million was injected into the South Dakota economy due to the rally, and the state collected $1.26 million in tax revenue, but it's gonna cost the rest of the country $12 billion in health care costs for treating infections linked to the rally and spread out all across the country? Nice work.
Trillions are being borrowed to cover pandemic cost and we do not have to pay it back. That responsibility will fall on the grand kids.What COVID-19 is doing to many retirement income sources is not funny. Short term costs are huge but is just a drop in the bucket when compared to the long costs.
Can you say a little more about what you mean in the bolded? I kinda don't get it, so I think I'm missing something.
The main retirement sources I can think of are pensions, social security, and investments.
Pensions are rare these days, maybe endangered by companies going out of business or disastrously retrenching, but I haven't heard/read much to this effect. Social security does seem to be threatened by at least one of the strategies for putting more money in people's pockets in the short run, but it remains to be seen how that will play out. (Ideology seems to enter in here, but I won't go further than that general statement to avoid partisan political talk.) Investments, so far, if we mean stocks and bonds primarily, seem to be much more even keel so far than one might've expected. I would've thought more people would be dependent on that source now/future, because of defined contribution plans having replaced pensions in many cases.
What are you seeing, that makes you say the bolded? If it's just the deficit spending worrying you in general, related to retirement, what are scenario(s) are you visualizing?
I take your point about the grandkids.
Yes, you are absolutely right on pensions and social security. I would expect that most who have investments for retirement and are actually drawing from their retirement should have that retirement money now in conservative / low risk and low return investments. This is different than someone like me who is decades from retirement and can justify investing in higher risk / higher return funds. But either way, the markets as a whole do not seem to be affected much by the pandemic - at least not negatively.1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »My company just announced that all in US and several other countries that can will work remotely until at least January, 2021, extended from October, 2020.
Getting sick of this stuff.
I wish I could have worked from home forever. It was the best thing ever (for me). I am really surprised some people want to go into work. I prefer to stay in my pjs all day.10 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »My company just announced that all in US and several other countries that can will work remotely until at least January, 2021, extended from October, 2020.
Getting sick of this stuff.
I wish I could have worked from home forever. It was the best thing ever (for me). I am really surprised some people want to go into work. I prefer to stay in my pjs all day.
In my workplace it seems to be divided: those with bigger homes and good desks, chairs and dedicated study/work rooms want to continue WFH, especially if their kids are school-aged so they have to leave early to bring their kids to hobbies etc, or if their kids are old enough to have moved out. These people tend to be older, and are also more experienced in their field and therefore need less guidance from colleagues. Our younger people with smaller homes and less possibilities to get nice desks, distancing themselves from spouses who also work and have meetings online, or have daycare-aged kids that make working from home a struggle seem to prefer working at the office.
I'm in the latter group: being in the same room with my husband 24/7 for 3 months straight was pretty rough. Now I'm leaning into a hybrid model where I do some work from home and some from the office. Today I'm spending the morning at home, answering emails and messages, then going out for lunch and spending the afternoon in the office doing high-focus work with my properly set-up desk and external monitors.
Currently we have a WFH recommendation in place until further notice, meaning everyone is allowed to choose for themselves but all meetings must be held online so nobody has to come in. The amount of people at the office seems to be 1-5 per day, out of 25 people. We had a pretty strong WFH culture even before covid and everyone has always been allowed to work from home whenever they wanted unless there were in-person meetings, so this is not such a drastic change.
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AstraZeneca trials of their vaccine has slowed due to a participant being diagnosed with inflammation of the spinal cord. It’s unclear whether it’s from the vaccine at this point. Risky business. Here in the US, the commercials on tv for prescription drugs, have warnings of multiple possible side effects and risks from taking the drug, and they are supposedly fully vetted. This is scary stuff.6
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »My company just announced that all in US and several other countries that can will work remotely until at least January, 2021, extended from October, 2020.
Getting sick of this stuff.
I wish I could have worked from home forever. It was the best thing ever (for me). I am really surprised some people want to go into work. I prefer to stay in my pjs all day.
Interesting. I personally enjoy the in person interactions with co-workers and have never "gone to work" at home with out showering and getting dressed (gym shorts/sweats and t-shirt not typical office attire).
Each to their own.1 -
We had a pretty strong WFH culture even before covid and everyone has always been allowed to work from home whenever they wanted unless there were in-person meetings, so this is not such a drastic change.
We had NO work from home before Covid. It was not allowed except in very VERY select situations (I was allowed to work from home the day after my father died as I prepared to go out of state to deal with it for example). But those were so rare. We did a WFH test about 2 years ago and it went great, but we had so much push back from higher ups that it was never made into a real thing. They thought it wouldn't "look good" that we were allowed to work from home.
How things have changed. Not the way I wanted for WFH to be approved, but we got it. Due to changes needed at the main campus, we are losing a floor and going from 3 floors to 2 (another group needs more space). So many of us are now in permanent WFH positions, myself included. I enjoy the freedom of it but I do miss some of the interactions with my coworkers. We have a great team and it was fun to be around them. So I feel much more isolated. Feedback has also been a problem because I can't just swing by my bosses office with a question or concern. They are still very receptive to everyone, but it's just not the same. There is more of a disconnect.7 -
JW, why the disagreements with my above post? I’m really curious why.
Must be because of me saying it’s scary.2 -
My WFH situation is not sustainable. I work with specialized equipment, most of which I can't access from home. I can "remote in" to a few of the work stations, but not most. Even when I can get into my systems, it's slow and difficult to work with (because it's over a VPN). So, it's very limited what I can do from here.
My industry is shut down, my company has no revenue. There have been rounds of layoffs and furloughs, which I've survived so far. Every day, as I WFH, I'm trying to stay busy enough to justify that my job is relevant, even though I know that it's not.
I rarely hear from my boss or co-workers, so it's pretty lonely. Just hoping for the best that we can get back in our building soon and start planning for when we can get back to it.14 -
This is the latest, and we are only at the beginning of the school year with many places open for in person classes.
Half a million US children have been diagnosed with Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/health/half-million-us-children-covid-wellness/index.html
More COVID-19 cases for children as many head back into the classroom is to be expected. I'd like to know how many were hospitalized or have serious symptoms. Also the article states that "Children with Covid-19 also tended to be older and have at least one underlying health condition." I focus more on the hospitalization, death rate and new information with continuing issues weeks/months after COVID than I do the positivity rate or #.2 -
missysippy930 wrote: »JW, why the disagreements with my above post? I’m really curious why.
Must be because of me saying it’s scary.
Might be because it's not widely reported (yet) what the issue is. A NYT story (I think) did report what you're saying, that it's spinal cord inflammation. I'm not sure why folks disagree. Nothing in your statement offended me.
Some folks are very optimistic about the vaccines and some (I think) at this point are on the edge and just want some positive news to hold on to. I can understand that. I think all of us are ready for more positive news.
As the NFL starts up this week, we'll see what happens. I'm a hopeless Bengals fan. Jamain Stephens' son passed yesterday at 20 years old. Jamain Stephens played for the Bengals and the Steelers (O-Line). His son was a big D lineman for a college team in PA. Being big isn't uncommon for college and pro O-linemen and Defensive linemen. I know football fans would be tremendously disappointed if the NFL season isn't played, but I've been of the opinion the entire time that lives could be lost. Already, you're seeing what might happen and it's tragic.
Yes, he was obese, but getting back to "normal" will come at a great cost as long as Covid-19 isn't contained and it's hardly contained right now.5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »JW, why the disagreements with my above post? I’m really curious why.
Must be because of me saying it’s scary.
I didn't disagree, but I will point out that drugs get approved all the time, even if they have serious side-effects. It has to be weighed if the risk of potential side-effects are worth the benefits of the drug. In the TV drug ads, they list ALL possible side-effects that were noted in trials, even if they were very rare.
I think it's safe to say that some people will have a bad reaction to the vaccine, as they do with other vaccines. It just has to be determined how rare it is, and if there were other contributing factors.7
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