Coronavirus prep
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Just saw this morning that 25% of those tested in South Dakota, the place that had the Motorcyclists in Sturgis all come to their state, are positive for Covid-19. That's seems like a catastrophic number, and it might very well be. Though the majority of their citizens and leadership seem to be opposed to social distancing and masks, I feel for the people there that weren't on board with lunacy.10
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Yeah, I don't get that whole, "If I get it, I get it - If I die, I die - I gotta live my life" thing. You can't wear a mask briefly in public or give up one year of holiday parties or even just self-quarantine ahead of the visit to ensure grandma's safety? How spoiled are we?
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Here's a thing that really made me eye-roll:
I have a friend who's a 65+ y/o woman, generally healthy but for many respiratory allergies. She's an intelligent woman overall, and quite medically knowledgeable otherwise. Still, she used "if it's my time, I'll go" to explain why she was going to go out and do all the things she would usually do, and not wear a mask unless it was legally required. Yet only a month or two earlier, she was taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventive (at the height of that craze) because "she is immunocompromised because of having had chemotherapy" (well over 20 years ago). Her chemo was longer ago than mine (20 years almost exactly in my case, very similar drug regimen), and I'm not immunocompromised from it by all scientific measures like blood counts and recent illness history). Any other time, she's bragged about how good her immunity is, has "never had a cold", etc.
She's generally pro-vaccine (for all the childhood diseases that were killers/cripplers in our youth), but says she won't take the Covid vax (she was a little oblique in how she put it, but my inference from context was that she thinks there's a plot, not that she'd just wait to see how the safety profile works out).
She says she has "done her research" and "listened to news sources on all sides". (Pretty sure I know which one she listens to the most - from having spent time with her, not guessing.)
I can't follow her chain of reasoning. There's no point in arguing - when she makes up her mind, she is very rigid in her thinking. We may stay friends. (I'm not currently planning to do anything to break off the friendship, but I'm also not going to go ramming around doing lots of stuff, or going unmasked when it's more sensible to wear one, so we'll see how it all works out. She may cut me out (already has, partly, for other reasons), or even trigger an unavoidable conflict).
As background, she's an incredibly caring person in other respects: Huge volunteer for cancer organizations, incluidng peer support, as just one of many examples.
People are weird. It's not about intelligence, logic, caring, knowledge, in any general way, in all cases.15 -
The people who think 'If I get it, I get it' type of thing and figure we're all going to die sometimes, I think it's not a reality until it is. Denial. And that's why we see video clips of people on their death beds or even some who've recovered, say 'I wish I'd've listened', 'wish I'd've just worn a mask' 'if only I'd've......'
If people saw it as a very real thing that could happen to them, their child, mom/dad, grandmother/grandfather, whoever they're close to.....if they could picture what it could realistically do to that loved one, I think(I HOPE) more people would play it safer and smarter than they do now.
Even though our governor passed the mask mandate a month ago, I am still seeing way too many people ignoring it, ignoring 'mask required to enter' signs.
But you know what?? After living 66 years and seeing so many stupid, disrespectful, idiotic, senseless, harmful acts that 1 human being can put upon another human being or an animal, I'm not surprised anymore. People lie, they are intolerant and disrespectful, deny, and the more I see, the less I trust humankind.
Sorry, just been one of those days sharing the roads with idiotic senseless drivers, all 15 minutes of it that almost resulted in 2 accidents because people were in such a hurry.
My own tolerance level is floating near empty these days. 
And not Covid related but stupid related, a few days ago some 28 yo guy was texting his wife while driving and killed a motorcyclist. Again, that same sense of denial 'it would never happen to me' thinking.21 -
I have read enough about the long haulers and survivors to happily change the way I live in order to avoid catching this virus. Spending two weeks on a vent and then spending the rest of my life with "swiss cheese lungs" sounds like something worth avoiding. I also don't have the best insurance, and saddling me and my family with that kind of medical debt is irresponsible if i can avoid it.
I feel like people in the "if I die, I die" camp are either unintentionally or willingly ignoring that there is another outcome than dying. We have no idea what the long term consequences of infection will be.
I don't think the choices are either 'If I die, I die" or living in fear. Fear is a necessary emotion that leads us to take sensible precautions. You can be appropriately afraid of something dangerous without being overwhelmed or controlled by it. I wear oven mitts because I'm afraid of getting burned, but I don't think I'm living in fear every time I turn the oven on.
This point in time is temporary. It's long temporary, but there will come a point where the risk goes way down, and hopefully a point where it's no longer an issue. If I have to drastically cut back my lifestyle for 18 months, and then keep up smaller changes for a little after that, in order to avoid death, a lifetime of possible health issues and medical bills, and playing any role in spreading the virus, I don't understand not doing it. I know it's hard, but my life is still better and easier than previous generations.16 -
hansep0012 wrote: »I would like to hear people's thoughts about the upcoming holidays and whether your "traditional" plans will be changed as a result of COVID.
My self-appointed title is the Grinch that stopped family holiday activities in 2020 by telling the family we would not be hosting Thanksgiving this year.
What, if anything, is changing for you and yours this holiday season?
Because my nephews are back in school a few days a week, my sister's family will not be joining us for the holidays. We tend to alternate with them and some more extended family, and they are not coming either.
Thankfully, we are all on the same page.11 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@kimny72 -- that list is great. It also, though, makes me feel so bad for restaurant owners, gym owners and bar owners. They should be given loan forgiveness grants. I worked in restaurant management for years and I've also owned my own small business for years. I can't imagine as a business man, knowing what small margins bars/restaurants operate on, how they are going to survive until next Summer.
It's not that I don't agree with every single point that's listed, it's just clear that eating indoors, going to bars and gyms is the most dangerous things -- along with packed churches or parties, which should be obvious to all.
All of our favorite restaurants in Tucson have had to raise prices to stay afloat during Covid-19, which has ironically had a snowball effect. At least four or so have closed along with some local coffee shops (for good). Many retirees here only went to the places that offered cheap happy hour specials, which are now basically gone, because Happy Hour relies on volume to be profitable, something not possible at 50% capacity. So you see less and less people going out at all. It's very sad.
We have a very diverse economy now in Tucson but it does rely heavily on tech and hospitality for young people. The hospitality part is in shambles. The only thing keeping the real estate market super strong is everyone from Cali fleeing here to get away from high prices and wildfires.
Got an e-mail from our gym today. It included a graphic from a trade organization. Claim was of 2300 gyms that provided data they had close to 50 million check ins with an infection rate of .0023% and no evidence that positive cases originated in the gym since this has been going on.
I stopped by my gym today. The first thing I saw were giant portable air handlers around the place, which is a good start. Masks are also now mandatory, which wasn't true when they first re-opened. They have the machines six feet apart. They have cleaning stations everywhere and the staff reportedly cleans every 30 minutes. (Though, it's the airborne contagion that worries me.) The clerk said they've had one reported case since they re-opened working on three months ago.
My county in Pennsylvania is "green" and reports positive tests steady at 3.4% of those tested and 240 new cases this week. (I had to check that twice: remember when we would have been pleased with that as a daily number back in April/May?)
So...I'd like some feedback if I'm crazy for considering returning to the gym. Please be kind, though.
I frequently see people wearing masks incorrectly at supermarkets so wouldn't want to take a chance at the gym, where people are breathing harder, which has been shown to increase risk.
Also, I have tried several different types of masks and for me they are all annoying to breath in while walking, so I have no interest in breathing in one while exercising.
Fortunately for me, I prefer my cardio outside anyway (no matter how cold - I layer up) and have all the weights I need at home.8 -
My own tolerance level is floating near empty these days.
At 69 I have reached the same place. I hear the same thing about Covid and other health issues. I have not been to church since March but it is hard to set quietly when someone is going on about Bro so and so being called home at the age of 52 when they weighted 400 pounds and had replaced water with regular Pepsi 20 years ago.
Several anti Covid-19 folks have died from it. That is sad and I wonder what they were thinking at the end.
Just a few days ago I read some of us can have a rare and unknown genetic defect that can make Covid-19 deadly in our case. Covid-19 should be avoided just for reasons like that. Locally a family Labor Day outing really bumped up our numbers of cases.
These are not evil people but are not grasping reality very well at this point in time. Every flipping week I hear it is all going to be over by 4 Nov. Since many of them are packing I just will say something like medically speaking I do not see it way but I hope you are right.
Covid-19 clearly brings to light we are were already in a mental health pandemic.
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What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)14
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I have read enough about the long haulers and survivors to happily change the way I live in order to avoid catching this virus. Spending two weeks on a vent and then spending the rest of my life with "swiss cheese lungs" sounds like something worth avoiding. I also don't have the best insurance, and saddling me and my family with that kind of medical debt is irresponsible if i can avoid it.
I feel like people in the "if I die, I die" camp are either unintentionally or willingly ignoring that there is another outcome than dying. We have no idea what the long term consequences of infection will be.
I don't think the choices are either 'If I die, I die" or living in fear. Fear is a necessary emotion that leads us to take sensible precautions. You can be appropriately afraid of something dangerous without being overwhelmed or controlled by it. I wear oven mitts because I'm afraid of getting burned, but I don't think I'm living in fear every time I turn the oven on.
This point in time is temporary. It's long temporary, but there will come a point where the risk goes way down, and hopefully a point where it's no longer an issue. If I have to drastically cut back my lifestyle for 18 months, and then keep up smaller changes for a little after that, in order to avoid death, a lifetime of possible health issues and medical bills, and playing any role in spreading the virus, I don't understand not doing it. I know it's hard, but my life is still better and easier than previous generations.
I generally agree with this, but I would also say that fear is an emotion. You don't have to be acting out of emotion to take logical precautions. I buckle up every time I get in my car. I don't do it because when I get in my car I experience fear. I do it because I long ago decided it was the sensible thing to do (now it's mostly habit -- I don't always even consciously think about it; it's just part of the routine, like locking the door and putting the key in the ignition).
I don't turn of the stove burner after cooking something because I'm "afraid" of burning the house down. I turn it off because it's the sensible thing to do.
ETA: Also, I've never been on a vent, but I have read first-hand accounts of it. All the mask-wearing and social-distancing would be worth it to me not to have to go through that. Or even not to have to spend two weeks in a hospital, in isolation with no contact other than unknown medical staff covered in PPE, even if I never had to go on a vent. To me, even if lifetime swiss-cheese lungs and financial disaster weren't on the table, the downside risks of getting covid greatly outweigh the mild inconvenience of wearing masks, socializing at a six-foot distance mostly outside or by phone, and forgoing most live entertainment or movie theaters for a year or even two. I do think we should have prioritized school reopenings over bar reopenings.9 -
I have read enough about the long haulers and survivors to happily change the way I live in order to avoid catching this virus. Spending two weeks on a vent and then spending the rest of my life with "swiss cheese lungs" sounds like something worth avoiding. I also don't have the best insurance, and saddling me and my family with that kind of medical debt is irresponsible if i can avoid it.
I feel like people in the "if I die, I die" camp are either unintentionally or willingly ignoring that there is another outcome than dying. We have no idea what the long term consequences of infection will be.
I don't think the choices are either 'If I die, I die" or living in fear. Fear is a necessary emotion that leads us to take sensible precautions. You can be appropriately afraid of something dangerous without being overwhelmed or controlled by it. I wear oven mitts because I'm afraid of getting burned, but I don't think I'm living in fear every time I turn the oven on.
This point in time is temporary. It's long temporary, but there will come a point where the risk goes way down, and hopefully a point where it's no longer an issue. If I have to drastically cut back my lifestyle for 18 months, and then keep up smaller changes for a little after that, in order to avoid death, a lifetime of possible health issues and medical bills, and playing any role in spreading the virus, I don't understand not doing it. I know it's hard, but my life is still better and easier than previous generations.
Speaking only for myself, I think of caution as something separate from fear. Fear can trigger caution, but so, also, can an unemotional assessment of facts.
We make safety-related decisions every day, most without even thinking about them. We're not - most of us! - fearful for large fractions of every day. It's caution, and cautious habits.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Covid-19 prep is over at two of our Walmart's locally for the most part it seems. No staff were outside the store monitoring and people were going in and out the same doors. No one was cleaning carts or the check out lane equipment. One way aisles are all gone like pre Covid. Staff still are to wear masks. There were no free wet wipes at the door and face masks had been marked down.
This is not Walmart corporate policy - your local stores are slacking. I suggest you report them to corporate.
https://corporate.walmart.com/important-store-info
...For the foreseeable future, we will continue with most of the measures currently in place – such as requiring masks, enhanced cleaning routines, including spraying carts after use, plastic shields at our registers and doubling the number of health ambassadors to staff both entrances. We will continue to have social distancing floor decals and a divided vestibule to keep our entrances and exits separate, and we will continue to follow all state and local government mandates covering our stores.9 -
Holidays: In theory, enough testing can minimize isolation. I remain optimistic but it's complicated.
My family is discussing, and thankfully, we're all thinking abut it the same way with the same level of concern. So it's actually a constructive conversation (vs. talking past each other with facts and alternative facts). We're on outdoor visit status with our college+ daughters until Thanksgiving. The 2 that are still in college will live at home (school remote) Thanksgiving- start of spring semester in January. So at a minimum, we have to figure out how to keep each other safe when they move back in. We've each agreed to isolate 5 days then rapid test the day before arrivals. One has to fly, so she will retest several days after that. That gives us a plan up to Thanksgiving day, but not how to live life for months safely after that. I really hope testing gets quicker and more available because we really will need it a lot. The third daughter is a TFA teacher working locally, and she expects to teach in person classes Friday before Thanksgiving. That's just enough time to isolate 5 days then rapid test before Thanksgiving day.
Then there's my brother's family who normally drive down from out of state. They have a plan pretty much as complicated as ours for how they could get here safely. Our mom reserved the guest apartment downstairs in her building. Outdoor dining is plausible here at Thanksgiving. If inclement, we can set up multiple dining tables in my 3-car carport with a heat lamp and air flow. We have 4 parents in their 80's local.
And after charting all these test/isolation/distance strategies, we look at each other and ask: Are we better off just taking a year off? I think we're leaning that way. It's a phenomenal amount of coordination for togetherness that may not feel entirely comfortable despite doing all we can. Discretion is the better part of valor.11 -
https://corporate.walmart.com/important-store-info
It looks like they backed off due to our good behavior.
" We have seen that generally, customers have adopted new behaviors and take serious their personal responsibility to wear masks, practice social distancing and use our expanded hours to better spread traffic throughout the day, enabling us to provide them new options, like opening a second entrance and removing barriers at the front of our stores."2 -
@kshama2001 Who knew this would still be going on for all of these months now.
I went to the grocery store and it was just like last winter. No vegetables. No celery, no carrots, no peppers. Nadda. It's Groundhog Day. I'm happy everyone is still here. What will winter bring us.8 -
What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.15 -
What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
Agreed. Several of my relatives have made it well into their 90s, happy and healthy in fact. It's pretty crappy when people assume a 70 something was "just gonna die soon anyway." Or that life with temporary social restrictions isn't worth living for them. They may have a couple more decades of quality living to do when this is all over, so don't write them off as collateral damage.15 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH 14 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH
I have both type 1 diabetes and Hashimoto's as well... when I mention type 1 diabetes, I sometimes get responses about how I caused it by having a bad diet and therefore it was a choice that I'm in a situation of having higher Covid risk. Except that's also not true with type 1. It's an autoimmune disease and I couldn't have done anything to avoid it at all. While they may be right for most type 2's, that's not even remotely true for type 1's who don't get it as a result of any life choices at all.12 -
Last week they sent 17 students home from our local elementary school, Covid symptoms. One test came back positive. They've now closed the school, along with the local daycare centers.
I cannot imagine how that will affect all the working parents and how it will all trickle through our community. 6
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