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The people who think 'If I get it, I get it' type of thing and figure we're all going to die sometimes, I think it's not a reality until it is. Denial. And that's why we see video clips of people on their death beds or even some who've recovered, say 'I wish I'd've listened', 'wish I'd've just worn a mask' 'if only I'd've......'
If people saw it as a very real thing that could happen to them, their child, mom/dad, grandmother/grandfather, whoever they're close to.....if they could picture what it could realistically do to that loved one, I think(I HOPE) more people would play it safer and smarter than they do now.
Even though our governor passed the mask mandate a month ago, I am still seeing way too many people ignoring it, ignoring 'mask required to enter' signs.
But you know what?? After living 66 years and seeing so many stupid, disrespectful, idiotic, senseless, harmful acts that 1 human being can put upon another human being or an animal, I'm not surprised anymore. People lie, they are intolerant and disrespectful, deny, and the more I see, the less I trust humankind.
Sorry, just been one of those days sharing the roads with idiotic senseless drivers, all 15 minutes of it that almost resulted in 2 accidents because people were in such a hurry.
My own tolerance level is floating near empty these days. 
And not Covid related but stupid related, a few days ago some 28 yo guy was texting his wife while driving and killed a motorcyclist. Again, that same sense of denial 'it would never happen to me' thinking.21 -
I have read enough about the long haulers and survivors to happily change the way I live in order to avoid catching this virus. Spending two weeks on a vent and then spending the rest of my life with "swiss cheese lungs" sounds like something worth avoiding. I also don't have the best insurance, and saddling me and my family with that kind of medical debt is irresponsible if i can avoid it.
I feel like people in the "if I die, I die" camp are either unintentionally or willingly ignoring that there is another outcome than dying. We have no idea what the long term consequences of infection will be.
I don't think the choices are either 'If I die, I die" or living in fear. Fear is a necessary emotion that leads us to take sensible precautions. You can be appropriately afraid of something dangerous without being overwhelmed or controlled by it. I wear oven mitts because I'm afraid of getting burned, but I don't think I'm living in fear every time I turn the oven on.
This point in time is temporary. It's long temporary, but there will come a point where the risk goes way down, and hopefully a point where it's no longer an issue. If I have to drastically cut back my lifestyle for 18 months, and then keep up smaller changes for a little after that, in order to avoid death, a lifetime of possible health issues and medical bills, and playing any role in spreading the virus, I don't understand not doing it. I know it's hard, but my life is still better and easier than previous generations.16 -
hansep0012 wrote: »I would like to hear people's thoughts about the upcoming holidays and whether your "traditional" plans will be changed as a result of COVID.
My self-appointed title is the Grinch that stopped family holiday activities in 2020 by telling the family we would not be hosting Thanksgiving this year.
What, if anything, is changing for you and yours this holiday season?
Because my nephews are back in school a few days a week, my sister's family will not be joining us for the holidays. We tend to alternate with them and some more extended family, and they are not coming either.
Thankfully, we are all on the same page.11 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@kimny72 -- that list is great. It also, though, makes me feel so bad for restaurant owners, gym owners and bar owners. They should be given loan forgiveness grants. I worked in restaurant management for years and I've also owned my own small business for years. I can't imagine as a business man, knowing what small margins bars/restaurants operate on, how they are going to survive until next Summer.
It's not that I don't agree with every single point that's listed, it's just clear that eating indoors, going to bars and gyms is the most dangerous things -- along with packed churches or parties, which should be obvious to all.
All of our favorite restaurants in Tucson have had to raise prices to stay afloat during Covid-19, which has ironically had a snowball effect. At least four or so have closed along with some local coffee shops (for good). Many retirees here only went to the places that offered cheap happy hour specials, which are now basically gone, because Happy Hour relies on volume to be profitable, something not possible at 50% capacity. So you see less and less people going out at all. It's very sad.
We have a very diverse economy now in Tucson but it does rely heavily on tech and hospitality for young people. The hospitality part is in shambles. The only thing keeping the real estate market super strong is everyone from Cali fleeing here to get away from high prices and wildfires.
Got an e-mail from our gym today. It included a graphic from a trade organization. Claim was of 2300 gyms that provided data they had close to 50 million check ins with an infection rate of .0023% and no evidence that positive cases originated in the gym since this has been going on.
I stopped by my gym today. The first thing I saw were giant portable air handlers around the place, which is a good start. Masks are also now mandatory, which wasn't true when they first re-opened. They have the machines six feet apart. They have cleaning stations everywhere and the staff reportedly cleans every 30 minutes. (Though, it's the airborne contagion that worries me.) The clerk said they've had one reported case since they re-opened working on three months ago.
My county in Pennsylvania is "green" and reports positive tests steady at 3.4% of those tested and 240 new cases this week. (I had to check that twice: remember when we would have been pleased with that as a daily number back in April/May?)
So...I'd like some feedback if I'm crazy for considering returning to the gym. Please be kind, though.
I frequently see people wearing masks incorrectly at supermarkets so wouldn't want to take a chance at the gym, where people are breathing harder, which has been shown to increase risk.
Also, I have tried several different types of masks and for me they are all annoying to breath in while walking, so I have no interest in breathing in one while exercising.
Fortunately for me, I prefer my cardio outside anyway (no matter how cold - I layer up) and have all the weights I need at home.8 -
My own tolerance level is floating near empty these days.
At 69 I have reached the same place. I hear the same thing about Covid and other health issues. I have not been to church since March but it is hard to set quietly when someone is going on about Bro so and so being called home at the age of 52 when they weighted 400 pounds and had replaced water with regular Pepsi 20 years ago.
Several anti Covid-19 folks have died from it. That is sad and I wonder what they were thinking at the end.
Just a few days ago I read some of us can have a rare and unknown genetic defect that can make Covid-19 deadly in our case. Covid-19 should be avoided just for reasons like that. Locally a family Labor Day outing really bumped up our numbers of cases.
These are not evil people but are not grasping reality very well at this point in time. Every flipping week I hear it is all going to be over by 4 Nov. Since many of them are packing I just will say something like medically speaking I do not see it way but I hope you are right.
Covid-19 clearly brings to light we are were already in a mental health pandemic.
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What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)14
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I have read enough about the long haulers and survivors to happily change the way I live in order to avoid catching this virus. Spending two weeks on a vent and then spending the rest of my life with "swiss cheese lungs" sounds like something worth avoiding. I also don't have the best insurance, and saddling me and my family with that kind of medical debt is irresponsible if i can avoid it.
I feel like people in the "if I die, I die" camp are either unintentionally or willingly ignoring that there is another outcome than dying. We have no idea what the long term consequences of infection will be.
I don't think the choices are either 'If I die, I die" or living in fear. Fear is a necessary emotion that leads us to take sensible precautions. You can be appropriately afraid of something dangerous without being overwhelmed or controlled by it. I wear oven mitts because I'm afraid of getting burned, but I don't think I'm living in fear every time I turn the oven on.
This point in time is temporary. It's long temporary, but there will come a point where the risk goes way down, and hopefully a point where it's no longer an issue. If I have to drastically cut back my lifestyle for 18 months, and then keep up smaller changes for a little after that, in order to avoid death, a lifetime of possible health issues and medical bills, and playing any role in spreading the virus, I don't understand not doing it. I know it's hard, but my life is still better and easier than previous generations.
I generally agree with this, but I would also say that fear is an emotion. You don't have to be acting out of emotion to take logical precautions. I buckle up every time I get in my car. I don't do it because when I get in my car I experience fear. I do it because I long ago decided it was the sensible thing to do (now it's mostly habit -- I don't always even consciously think about it; it's just part of the routine, like locking the door and putting the key in the ignition).
I don't turn of the stove burner after cooking something because I'm "afraid" of burning the house down. I turn it off because it's the sensible thing to do.
ETA: Also, I've never been on a vent, but I have read first-hand accounts of it. All the mask-wearing and social-distancing would be worth it to me not to have to go through that. Or even not to have to spend two weeks in a hospital, in isolation with no contact other than unknown medical staff covered in PPE, even if I never had to go on a vent. To me, even if lifetime swiss-cheese lungs and financial disaster weren't on the table, the downside risks of getting covid greatly outweigh the mild inconvenience of wearing masks, socializing at a six-foot distance mostly outside or by phone, and forgoing most live entertainment or movie theaters for a year or even two. I do think we should have prioritized school reopenings over bar reopenings.9 -
I have read enough about the long haulers and survivors to happily change the way I live in order to avoid catching this virus. Spending two weeks on a vent and then spending the rest of my life with "swiss cheese lungs" sounds like something worth avoiding. I also don't have the best insurance, and saddling me and my family with that kind of medical debt is irresponsible if i can avoid it.
I feel like people in the "if I die, I die" camp are either unintentionally or willingly ignoring that there is another outcome than dying. We have no idea what the long term consequences of infection will be.
I don't think the choices are either 'If I die, I die" or living in fear. Fear is a necessary emotion that leads us to take sensible precautions. You can be appropriately afraid of something dangerous without being overwhelmed or controlled by it. I wear oven mitts because I'm afraid of getting burned, but I don't think I'm living in fear every time I turn the oven on.
This point in time is temporary. It's long temporary, but there will come a point where the risk goes way down, and hopefully a point where it's no longer an issue. If I have to drastically cut back my lifestyle for 18 months, and then keep up smaller changes for a little after that, in order to avoid death, a lifetime of possible health issues and medical bills, and playing any role in spreading the virus, I don't understand not doing it. I know it's hard, but my life is still better and easier than previous generations.
Speaking only for myself, I think of caution as something separate from fear. Fear can trigger caution, but so, also, can an unemotional assessment of facts.
We make safety-related decisions every day, most without even thinking about them. We're not - most of us! - fearful for large fractions of every day. It's caution, and cautious habits.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Covid-19 prep is over at two of our Walmart's locally for the most part it seems. No staff were outside the store monitoring and people were going in and out the same doors. No one was cleaning carts or the check out lane equipment. One way aisles are all gone like pre Covid. Staff still are to wear masks. There were no free wet wipes at the door and face masks had been marked down.
This is not Walmart corporate policy - your local stores are slacking. I suggest you report them to corporate.
https://corporate.walmart.com/important-store-info
...For the foreseeable future, we will continue with most of the measures currently in place – such as requiring masks, enhanced cleaning routines, including spraying carts after use, plastic shields at our registers and doubling the number of health ambassadors to staff both entrances. We will continue to have social distancing floor decals and a divided vestibule to keep our entrances and exits separate, and we will continue to follow all state and local government mandates covering our stores.9 -
Holidays: In theory, enough testing can minimize isolation. I remain optimistic but it's complicated.
My family is discussing, and thankfully, we're all thinking abut it the same way with the same level of concern. So it's actually a constructive conversation (vs. talking past each other with facts and alternative facts). We're on outdoor visit status with our college+ daughters until Thanksgiving. The 2 that are still in college will live at home (school remote) Thanksgiving- start of spring semester in January. So at a minimum, we have to figure out how to keep each other safe when they move back in. We've each agreed to isolate 5 days then rapid test the day before arrivals. One has to fly, so she will retest several days after that. That gives us a plan up to Thanksgiving day, but not how to live life for months safely after that. I really hope testing gets quicker and more available because we really will need it a lot. The third daughter is a TFA teacher working locally, and she expects to teach in person classes Friday before Thanksgiving. That's just enough time to isolate 5 days then rapid test before Thanksgiving day.
Then there's my brother's family who normally drive down from out of state. They have a plan pretty much as complicated as ours for how they could get here safely. Our mom reserved the guest apartment downstairs in her building. Outdoor dining is plausible here at Thanksgiving. If inclement, we can set up multiple dining tables in my 3-car carport with a heat lamp and air flow. We have 4 parents in their 80's local.
And after charting all these test/isolation/distance strategies, we look at each other and ask: Are we better off just taking a year off? I think we're leaning that way. It's a phenomenal amount of coordination for togetherness that may not feel entirely comfortable despite doing all we can. Discretion is the better part of valor.11 -
https://corporate.walmart.com/important-store-info
It looks like they backed off due to our good behavior.
" We have seen that generally, customers have adopted new behaviors and take serious their personal responsibility to wear masks, practice social distancing and use our expanded hours to better spread traffic throughout the day, enabling us to provide them new options, like opening a second entrance and removing barriers at the front of our stores."2 -
@kshama2001 Who knew this would still be going on for all of these months now.
I went to the grocery store and it was just like last winter. No vegetables. No celery, no carrots, no peppers. Nadda. It's Groundhog Day. I'm happy everyone is still here. What will winter bring us.8 -
What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.15 -
What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
Agreed. Several of my relatives have made it well into their 90s, happy and healthy in fact. It's pretty crappy when people assume a 70 something was "just gonna die soon anyway." Or that life with temporary social restrictions isn't worth living for them. They may have a couple more decades of quality living to do when this is all over, so don't write them off as collateral damage.15 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH 14 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH
I have both type 1 diabetes and Hashimoto's as well... when I mention type 1 diabetes, I sometimes get responses about how I caused it by having a bad diet and therefore it was a choice that I'm in a situation of having higher Covid risk. Except that's also not true with type 1. It's an autoimmune disease and I couldn't have done anything to avoid it at all. While they may be right for most type 2's, that's not even remotely true for type 1's who don't get it as a result of any life choices at all.12 -
Last week they sent 17 students home from our local elementary school, Covid symptoms. One test came back positive. They've now closed the school, along with the local daycare centers.
I cannot imagine how that will affect all the working parents and how it will all trickle through our community. 6 -
I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-4211224 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH
I have both type 1 diabetes and Hashimoto's as well... when I mention type 1 diabetes, I sometimes get responses about how I caused it by having a bad diet and therefore it was a choice that I'm in a situation of having higher Covid risk. Except that's also not true with type 1. It's an autoimmune disease and I couldn't have done anything to avoid it at all. While they may be right for most type 2's, that's not even remotely true for type 1's who don't get it as a result of any life choices at all.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH
I have both type 1 diabetes and Hashimoto's as well... when I mention type 1 diabetes, I sometimes get responses about how I caused it by having a bad diet and therefore it was a choice that I'm in a situation of having higher Covid risk. Except that's also not true with type 1. It's an autoimmune disease and I couldn't have done anything to avoid it at all. While they may be right for most type 2's, that's not even remotely true for type 1's who don't get it as a result of any life choices at all.
Call me utterly surprised at people's ignorance! I've seen a lot of things that make me angry. When the doctor died in Houston, social media was flooded with comments attacking her weight (which isn't just ludicrous, it's incredibly rude and evil) and saying she must have had preexisting conditions the family wasn't saying.
This whole pandemic has had classical stages of grief. Anger, denial, acceptance. Many seem to be stuck in the denial stage or the anger stage.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »What I really HATE- is when someone says "well they were 79 or 89 and they were sickly -so going to die anyway" I mean HOW callous can you be....My own mama lived to be 96-- so just because someone is late 70's or more does NOT mean- It's ok if they get COVID because another person does not want to wear a mask(sigh)
People on other social media sites are saying the same thing about me as a diabetic. Apparently they don't mind possibly killing people as long as they don't have to experience the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask. People are just selfish.
I know I wish I believed more in karma.
I was thinking about all the people in my life, all my loved ones and about 90% have some kind of a condition that could potentially doom them if exposed to Covid. And some of these people are in their 20's/30's. My ds is 39, diabetic, and is one of THE most intelligent, kindest most polite and wonderful human being you'd ever want to meet. Should people be able to simply cut him off as unimportant, expendable, not worthy?? I remember a sweet girl I had in my daycare that is diabetic and has Hashimoto's; she must be maybe a teen by now. Everyone has more life in them that doesn't need to be cut short by selfish thoughtless people. People need to grow up and get over themselves. It's no longer about your rights as to whether you need to wear a mask or not!!!! It's about health. Everybody's. Why risk the chance of spreading this virus???!!! SMFH
I have both type 1 diabetes and Hashimoto's as well... when I mention type 1 diabetes, I sometimes get responses about how I caused it by having a bad diet and therefore it was a choice that I'm in a situation of having higher Covid risk. Except that's also not true with type 1. It's an autoimmune disease and I couldn't have done anything to avoid it at all. While they may be right for most type 2's, that's not even remotely true for type 1's who don't get it as a result of any life choices at all.
I'll even stipulate that lifestyle is a major component in T2D, but that shouldn't change how we value the lives of people with it (not that I think you're arguing we should). Before I lost weight, my doctor told me that I was at risk of developing it in the future and even with that warning and the clear example of my father (who died as a result of his heart disease and T2D), it still took me some false starts and major effort before I was able to figure out a path to successful weight management. If I had T2D today, it wouldn't be me choosing to have it as much as I would have failed to have yet solved the riddle of what it was inside myself that was making the counterproductive lifestyle choices I was making.
In some ways, I DID choose to no longer be overweight. But as almost everyone here knows, it wasn't nearly as simple as just making that decision. You have to make the choice multiple times a day, in a constantly varying array of situations and pressures, in an atmosphere where success can only be found by trading the short-term awards of calories and leisure over the longer-term rewards of weight management. And to make it worse, you usually can't find long-term success just by replicating someone else's path to success. You have to find a way that works for YOU, with all the trial and error that requires.
We live in a society that makes it very easy to be obese, which is something I try to take into account in evaluating people's choices. Behavioral change is HARD, it's not as simple as saying "Well, you just chose to have T2D." (Again, I realize this is not your argument). I can't evaluate this situation without realizing that the "lifestyle risk" people are just like me, I only happened to get to the other side of my riddle.12 -
I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I had to google "Panglossian" and LOL'd at the picture Merriam Webster used to illustrate this word
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kshama2001 wrote: »I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I had to google "Panglossian" and LOL'd at the picture Merriam Webster used to illustrate this word
Oh, that's too funny . . .2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@kshama2001 Who knew this would still be going on for all of these months now.
I went to the grocery store and it was just like last winter. No vegetables. No celery, no carrots, no peppers. Nadda. It's Groundhog Day. I'm happy everyone is still here. What will winter bring us.
Yes, for the past few weeks, my Walmart has again been having problems stocking toilet paper and especially paper towels.
I started this thread in response to news about manufacturers warning about potential supply chain disruptions and was interested to see this article about manufacturer's plans for this fall. (I can read the whole article on my iphone in News, but just this in the browser):
https://www.wsj.com/articles/grocers-stockpile-build-pandemic-pallets-ahead-of-winter-11601199000
Grocery stores and food companies are preparing for a possible surge in sales amid a new rise in Covid-19 cases and the impending holiday rush.
Supermarkets are stockpiling groceries and storing them early to prepare for the fall and winter months, when some health experts warn the country could see another widespread outbreak of virus cases and new restrictions. Food companies are accelerating production of their most popular items, and leaders across the industry are saying they won’t be caught unprepared in the face of...
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The article goes on to discuss how Hormel, General Mills, Campbells, etc., have still not caught up to normal inventory levels while at the same time supermarkets are trying to stockpile ahead of anticipated demand in constant to their usual "lean inventory" policies.
Coke is still making fewer varieties of drinks. Sorry Fresca lovers.4 -
I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I agree that the article is interesting, complete, and full of scientific comments and reasoning. A little long but I passed it around anyway. If only one or two people read it to the end, I will be happy.
My only critic is that nowhere in the article the authors and/or scientists mention the long-term adverse events of having been infected by the virus. In some paragraphs they mentioned that if you had been infected once (and survived...), you would already have some immunity built up that could be enhanced by a vaccine. Yes, that is true if the first infection didn't make holes in your lungs, affected your circulatory system, or weaken your heart and fogged your brain.
In my opinion, not mentioning the possible long-term effect that even a mild infection could cause, is inappropriate and could be spurring the faulty reasoning that herd immunity can be achieved by natural infection while disregarding morbidity and possible mortality consequences.
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I love this article. It should be sent to the "anti-maskers...."
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/09/if-you-dont-want-to-wear-a-mask-come-to-work-with-me.html
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I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I agree that the article is interesting, complete, and full of scientific comments and reasoning. A little long but I passed it around anyway. If only one or two people read it to the end, I will be happy.
My only critic is that nowhere in the article the authors and/or scientists mention the long-term adverse events of having been infected by the virus. In some paragraphs they mentioned that if you had been infected once (and survived...), you would already have some immunity built up that could be enhanced by a vaccine. Yes, that is true if the first infection didn't make holes in your lungs, affected your circulatory system, or weaken your heart and fogged your brain.
In my opinion, not mentioning the possible long-term effect that even a mild infection could cause, is inappropriate and could be spurring the faulty reasoning that herd immunity can be achieved by natural infection while disregarding morbidity and possible mortality consequences.
Agreed, I found it odd that it didn't ponder on whether this process involves immunity to the organ damage/inflammation being seen in many who get the virus.3 -
I thought this article was interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/25/how-covid-19-pandemic-ends-421122
I agree that the article is interesting, complete, and full of scientific comments and reasoning. A little long but I passed it around anyway. If only one or two people read it to the end, I will be happy.
My only critic is that nowhere in the article the authors and/or scientists mention the long-term adverse events of having been infected by the virus. In some paragraphs they mentioned that if you had been infected once (and survived...), you would already have some immunity built up that could be enhanced by a vaccine. Yes, that is true if the first infection didn't make holes in your lungs, affected your circulatory system, or weaken your heart and fogged your brain.
In my opinion, not mentioning the possible long-term effect that even a mild infection could cause, is inappropriate and could be spurring the faulty reasoning that herd immunity can be achieved by natural infection while disregarding morbidity and possible mortality consequences.
Agreed, I found it odd that it didn't ponder on whether this process involves immunity to the organ damage/inflammation being seen in many who get the virus.
Maybe it's just me, but it seemed to me that the article's central point was to summarize a group of experts' views about how the course of the virus would proceed at a macro (societal) level, not the individual level. While treatments and vaccines were touched on, they were in that context - impact on the ability of the economy to recover, and so-called "normal life" to resume. I don't feel like the central focus was on exploring the impact of limited immunity on individuals (i.e., would it reduce organ damage), either. Those are important topics, of course, in their own right.
The "long haulers" or other people with permanent damage are a horrifying consequence of the disease, and that does have some macro level impact (overall societal health care costs and productivity loss, for example) but it seems to me that long term health damages have their impact more at the individual human/family level. That doesn't make them unimportant - not at all - but I think it's understandable that it wouldn't be a key point in an article focused on, essentially, "what will be the virus's course at an overall societal (macro) level".3 -
I love this article. It should be sent to the "anti-maskers...."
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/09/if-you-dont-want-to-wear-a-mask-come-to-work-with-me.html
That was awesome. Wish my girlfriend's anti-mask coworker saw that and spent some time with that doctor before she contracted the coronavirus and then passed it on to my friend >.<7 -
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