I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
Here we had big fines or prison terms for breaking curfew earlier this year. Now it's a big fine or prison term for breaching any quarantine or isolation order. People who have the virus or who may have been exposed to someone else who has it, CANNOT be allowed to endanger the rest of the population without some penalty.
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
We've had a cold in our family. I know it's a cold, we've all had sneezing and stuffy heads with fatigue and a little bit of a sore throat early on. No loss of taste, no fever. Boyfriend and I are more or less over it and feel fine eight days on. Girlfriend has COPD and I am kind of staying ready today in case she needs to go to the hospital because just using her rescue inhaler isn't working any more. It's obviously hit her WAY harder than everyone else.
And yes, I've stayed out of the general populace. All I did was to pick up necessary medications through the drivethrough, so no one else got this. Much wiping down of surfaces, and when I finally go to the store I'll glove as well as mask.
But when I first started to feel sick I just absolutely panicked. I only settled down when I had it pointed out to me repeatedly that upper respiratory symptoms are probably just a cold. And it has largely run its course in seven days, so it probably just was.
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
We just had a big new outbreak in a prison here. In daily checks, a staff member was found to have symptoms, and was sent home, and others quarantined. But the virus had already taken hold. Keep in mind that people can be shedding virus (i.e., contagious) before symptoms are present. Then, spread is fast in a close-quarters environment like this. This sort of thing is almost inevitable in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn.
Currently, of 327 employees, 112 are currently off work as a consequence of this outbreak (tested positive, under investigation, or close contacts). 457 prisoners have tested positive, and a further 225 positive cases were transferred to another prison (because of the staffing shortage, I believe) and isolated from other inmates at that 2nd prison.
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
We just had a big new outbreak in a prison here. In daily checks, a staff member was found to have symptoms, and was sent home, and others quarantined. But the virus had already taken hold. Keep in mind that people can be shedding virus (i.e., contagious) before symptoms are present. Then, spread is fast in a close-quarters environment like this. This sort of thing is almost inevitable in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn.
Currently, of 327 employees, 112 are currently off work as a consequence of this outbreak (tested positive, under investigation, or close contacts). 457 prisoners have tested positive, and a further 225 positive cases were transferred to another prison (because of the staffing shortage, I believe) and isolated from other inmates at that 2nd prison.
Yes. Just my point - "in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn" it would be difficult to control. If it starts, it's hard to stop. So the secret is to block community spread from ever starting. But I agree that's easier in a small country than a large one.
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
We just had a big new outbreak in a prison here. In daily checks, a staff member was found to have symptoms, and was sent home, and others quarantined. But the virus had already taken hold. Keep in mind that people can be shedding virus (i.e., contagious) before symptoms are present. Then, spread is fast in a close-quarters environment like this. This sort of thing is almost inevitable in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn.
Currently, of 327 employees, 112 are currently off work as a consequence of this outbreak (tested positive, under investigation, or close contacts). 457 prisoners have tested positive, and a further 225 positive cases were transferred to another prison (because of the staffing shortage, I believe) and isolated from other inmates at that 2nd prison.
Yes. Just my point - "in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn" it would be difficult to control. If it starts, it's hard to stop. So the secret is to block community spread from ever starting. But I agree that's easier in a small country than a large one.
Interestingly, this current prison outbreak of Covid is happening in an area (upper peninsula of Michigan. Marquette specifically) that's quite sparsely populated, and geographically pretty isolated. . . but believed to be somewhat more in "mask rebel" kind of region, oversimplifying the politics/sociology. It's in one of the parts of this state that's now seeing higher levels of virus (cases per population count).
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
You can't quarantine the guards and other workers for 14 days before each entrance to the prison.
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
People can be infectious with covid while asymptomatic, including not running a temperature. Perhaps this works in a country or region without significant community spread. It wouldn't work where I am (in the U.S.).
I think fitting people who won't obey a quarantine order with an ankle monitor that will start announcing very loudly "WARNING: I HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO COVID. I COULD EXPOSE YOU TO COVID" if they leave their homes would be a good solution.
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
I work in a jail and this is what is done. So far, two staff members have caught the virus and zero inmates.
I think a big enough fine- which is REALLY enforced would really help with the ones who just won't wear a mask or w do what's needed. No prison- but a fine would make a difference
I came across this article today and I thought that it was worth posting the link in here since many people are anxious and worried about what to do with family and friends during the holidays.
Apart from personal choices and strong "holiday emotions," this well written article may provide same scientific information, opinions, and outlook to some of you, as it did to me. I think that it may be worth sharing the information with friends and love one as well. I did and I got positive responses so far, and I hope that you do too.
@Smoda61, thank you this is a good one and kind of funny too. I don't have an Aunt Petunia (I am too old to have any aunts running around even in wheelchairs...) to deal with, but husband and I are staying home on Thanksgiving 2020. Hard choices but necessary. Thank you for posting.
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@Smoda61, thank you this is a good one and kind of funny too. I don't have an Aunt Petunia (I am too old to have any aunts running around even in wheelchairs...) to deal with, but husband and I are staying home on Thanksgiving 2020. Hard choices but necessary. Thank you for posting.
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I spent a lot of the day talking with family members. It is likely going to be a small group ( 3 or 5 adults), yet to be determined.
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
I work in a jail and this is what is done. So far, two staff members have caught the virus and zero inmates.
Thanks for confirming. And I suppose those two staff members are off from work until recovery, also ALL other staff members tested for COVID, and active contact tracing executed in relation to the two who caught it. Here we would very quickly find out if any family members of those two staffers caught the virus.
From the news it sounds like Covid-19 number of cases are setting records in USA and Europe. The USA had some hot spots 6 months ago but now is wide spread with more nursing home involvement than ever in our region. Hope the talk of turning the corner in 2022 turns out to be correct.
Well, the son in San Diego (the one who had tons of friends not social distancing and some were actual science deniers) has caught it. He's been sick for a week. Had a hard time breathing for several days. We're talking a kid that got D1 offers for both wrestling and soccer and he stays in great shape. He's feeling better now, but just what we were concerned about for Thanksgiving proved accurate.
I suppose if there's good news he'll now be coming for Thanksgiving. We also find out this week if my wife is showing signs of early type II Diabetes. We're both in a much better place about that now. We've already changed about the only thing we hadn't cut out -- sugar and alcohol. I've read two books on diabetes and aside from that, we were already doing everything right. Just concerns me more about her potentially getting Covid-19, with that being a higher risk group.
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Here we had big fines or prison terms for breaking curfew earlier this year. Now it's a big fine or prison term for breaching any quarantine or isolation order. People who have the virus or who may have been exposed to someone else who has it, CANNOT be allowed to endanger the rest of the population without some penalty.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
And yes, I've stayed out of the general populace. All I did was to pick up necessary medications through the drivethrough, so no one else got this. Much wiping down of surfaces, and when I finally go to the store I'll glove as well as mask.
But when I first started to feel sick I just absolutely panicked. I only settled down when I had it pointed out to me repeatedly that upper respiratory symptoms are probably just a cold. And it has largely run its course in seven days, so it probably just was.
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
We just had a big new outbreak in a prison here. In daily checks, a staff member was found to have symptoms, and was sent home, and others quarantined. But the virus had already taken hold. Keep in mind that people can be shedding virus (i.e., contagious) before symptoms are present. Then, spread is fast in a close-quarters environment like this. This sort of thing is almost inevitable in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn.
Currently, of 327 employees, 112 are currently off work as a consequence of this outbreak (tested positive, under investigation, or close contacts). 457 prisoners have tested positive, and a further 225 positive cases were transferred to another prison (because of the staffing shortage, I believe) and isolated from other inmates at that 2nd prison.
Yes. Just my point - "in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn" it would be difficult to control. If it starts, it's hard to stop. So the secret is to block community spread from ever starting. But I agree that's easier in a small country than a large one.
Interestingly, this current prison outbreak of Covid is happening in an area (upper peninsula of Michigan. Marquette specifically) that's quite sparsely populated, and geographically pretty isolated. . . but believed to be somewhat more in "mask rebel" kind of region, oversimplifying the politics/sociology. It's in one of the parts of this state that's now seeing higher levels of virus (cases per population count).
You can't quarantine the guards and other workers for 14 days before each entrance to the prison.
People can be infectious with covid while asymptomatic, including not running a temperature. Perhaps this works in a country or region without significant community spread. It wouldn't work where I am (in the U.S.).
I think fitting people who won't obey a quarantine order with an ankle monitor that will start announcing very loudly "WARNING: I HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO COVID. I COULD EXPOSE YOU TO COVID" if they leave their homes would be a good solution.
I work in a jail and this is what is done. So far, two staff members have caught the virus and zero inmates.
Fair enough too - a law is a law, just like you get fines for traffic offences etc.
Apart from personal choices and strong "holiday emotions," this well written article may provide same scientific information, opinions, and outlook to some of you, as it did to me. I think that it may be worth sharing the information with friends and love one as well. I did and I got positive responses so far, and I hope that you do too.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/reopening-coronavirus/visiting_family_friends.html
https://robinschoenthaler.medium.com/should-i-hold-thanksgiving-during-covid-e3393ac842c2
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I spent a lot of the day talking with family members. It is likely going to be a small group ( 3 or 5 adults), yet to be determined.
Thanks for confirming. And I suppose those two staff members are off from work until recovery, also ALL other staff members tested for COVID, and active contact tracing executed in relation to the two who caught it. Here we would very quickly find out if any family members of those two staffers caught the virus.
From the news it sounds like Covid-19 number of cases are setting records in USA and Europe. The USA had some hot spots 6 months ago but now is wide spread with more nursing home involvement than ever in our region. Hope the talk of turning the corner in 2022 turns out to be correct.
I suppose if there's good news he'll now be coming for Thanksgiving. We also find out this week if my wife is showing signs of early type II Diabetes. We're both in a much better place about that now. We've already changed about the only thing we hadn't cut out -- sugar and alcohol. I've read two books on diabetes and aside from that, we were already doing everything right. Just concerns me more about her potentially getting Covid-19, with that being a higher risk group.