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lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
I work in a jail and this is what is done. So far, two staff members have caught the virus and zero inmates.
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I think a big enough fine- which is REALLY enforced would really help with the ones who just won't wear a mask or w do what's needed. No prison- but a fine would make a difference5
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We've had fines in Australia for people not following the rules.
Fair enough too - a law is a law, just like you get fines for traffic offences etc.8 -
I came across this article today and I thought that it was worth posting the link in here since many people are anxious and worried about what to do with family and friends during the holidays.
Apart from personal choices and strong "holiday emotions," this well written article may provide same scientific information, opinions, and outlook to some of you, as it did to me. I think that it may be worth sharing the information with friends and love one as well. I did and I got positive responses so far, and I hope that you do too.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/reopening-coronavirus/visiting_family_friends.html5 -
@Gisel2015 - here is one that was just recommended on a hometown facebook group. I'll be checking yours out.
https://robinschoenthaler.medium.com/should-i-hold-thanksgiving-during-covid-e3393ac842c21 -
@Smoda61, thank you this is a good one and kind of funny too. I don't have an Aunt Petunia (I am too old to have any aunts running around even in wheelchairs...) to deal with, but husband and I are staying home on Thanksgiving 2020. Hard choices but necessary. Thank you for posting.
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@Smoda61, thank you this is a good one and kind of funny too. I don't have an Aunt Petunia (I am too old to have any aunts running around even in wheelchairs...) to deal with, but husband and I are staying home on Thanksgiving 2020. Hard choices but necessary. Thank you for posting.
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I spent a lot of the day talking with family members. It is likely going to be a small group ( 3 or 5 adults), yet to be determined.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
I work in a jail and this is what is done. So far, two staff members have caught the virus and zero inmates.
Thanks for confirming. And I suppose those two staff members are off from work until recovery, also ALL other staff members tested for COVID, and active contact tracing executed in relation to the two who caught it. Here we would very quickly find out if any family members of those two staffers caught the virus.1 -
https://www.wkdzradio.com/2020/10/25/sunday-kentucky-covid-19-update/
From the news it sounds like Covid-19 number of cases are setting records in USA and Europe. The USA had some hot spots 6 months ago but now is wide spread with more nursing home involvement than ever in our region. Hope the talk of turning the corner in 2022 turns out to be correct.1 -
Well, the son in San Diego (the one who had tons of friends not social distancing and some were actual science deniers) has caught it. He's been sick for a week. Had a hard time breathing for several days. We're talking a kid that got D1 offers for both wrestling and soccer and he stays in great shape. He's feeling better now, but just what we were concerned about for Thanksgiving proved accurate.
I suppose if there's good news he'll now be coming for Thanksgiving. We also find out this week if my wife is showing signs of early type II Diabetes. We're both in a much better place about that now. We've already changed about the only thing we hadn't cut out -- sugar and alcohol. I've read two books on diabetes and aside from that, we were already doing everything right. Just concerns me more about her potentially getting Covid-19, with that being a higher risk group.21 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.wkdzradio.com/2020/10/25/sunday-kentucky-covid-19-update/
From the news it sounds like Covid-19 number of cases are setting records in USA and Europe. The USA had some hot spots 6 months ago but now is wide spread with more nursing home involvement than ever in our region. Hope the talk of turning the corner in 2022 turns out to be correct.
i am so hoping you meant to type 2021.2 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Well, the son in San Diego (the one who had tons of friends not social distancing and some were actual science deniers) has caught it. He's been sick for a week. Had a hard time breathing for several days. We're talking a kid that got D1 offers for both wrestling and soccer and he stays in great shape. He's feeling better now, but just what we were concerned about for Thanksgiving proved accurate.
I suppose if there's good news he'll now be coming for Thanksgiving. We also find out this week if my wife is showing signs of early type II Diabetes. We're both in a much better place about that now. We've already changed about the only thing we hadn't cut out -- sugar and alcohol. I've read two books on diabetes and aside from that, we were already doing everything right. Just concerns me more about her potentially getting Covid-19, with that being a higher risk group.
Hope your son continues to recover well.
After six years of eating for health I keep finding areas that I need to tweak. The added sugar thing still catches me off guard. After years I have gotten off of Half and Half because it causes sinus drainage and ran out of my Almond milk and grabbed some Coconut milk that was in the frig and I will be if it did not contain added sugar.3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Well, the son in San Diego (the one who had tons of friends not social distancing and some were actual science deniers) has caught it. He's been sick for a week. Had a hard time breathing for several days. We're talking a kid that got D1 offers for both wrestling and soccer and he stays in great shape. He's feeling better now, but just what we were concerned about for Thanksgiving proved accurate.
I suppose if there's good news he'll now be coming for Thanksgiving. We also find out this week if my wife is showing signs of early type II Diabetes. We're both in a much better place about that now. We've already changed about the only thing we hadn't cut out -- sugar and alcohol. I've read two books on diabetes and aside from that, we were already doing everything right. Just concerns me more about her potentially getting Covid-19, with that being a higher risk group.
Within your son a speedy recovery, and happy for you that you now get a family Thanksgiving. Mine is shrinking by the day.
As for diabetes and COVID, my father who is a solidly overweight diabetic with multiple other comorbidities, claims that if other preexisting conditions are "controlled" (like his diabetes via medication) they are no longer an added risk. Makes no sense to me, but I know you @MikePfirrman are better at researching things than I so there is a topic for you to look at, and if my father is right, it might bring you some peace regarding your wife.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.wkdzradio.com/2020/10/25/sunday-kentucky-covid-19-update/
From the news it sounds like Covid-19 number of cases are setting records in USA and Europe. The USA had some hot spots 6 months ago but now is wide spread with more nursing home involvement than ever in our region. Hope the talk of turning the corner in 2022 turns out to be correct.
i am so hoping you meant to type 2021.
I wish that was the case but from the science side of things 2021 is expected to see more cases than in 2020 since herd immunity seems to be a pipe dream. The good news is death rates are way down but Covid-19 is expected to be around for decades like many other viruses that can not be well managed with vaccine attempts because they are moving targets. I have family and friends that swear Covid-19 will be over by 4 Nov 2020 in the USA but if they are not careful they may wind up being "dead" wrong and taking others with them.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Well, the son in San Diego (the one who had tons of friends not social distancing and some were actual science deniers) has caught it. He's been sick for a week. Had a hard time breathing for several days. We're talking a kid that got D1 offers for both wrestling and soccer and he stays in great shape. He's feeling better now, but just what we were concerned about for Thanksgiving proved accurate.
I suppose if there's good news he'll now be coming for Thanksgiving. We also find out this week if my wife is showing signs of early type II Diabetes. We're both in a much better place about that now. We've already changed about the only thing we hadn't cut out -- sugar and alcohol. I've read two books on diabetes and aside from that, we were already doing everything right. Just concerns me more about her potentially getting Covid-19, with that being a higher risk group.
Hope your son continues to recover well.
After six years of eating for health I keep finding areas that I need to tweak. The added sugar thing still catches me off guard. After years I have gotten off of Half and Half because it causes sinus drainage and ran out of my Almond milk and grabbed some Coconut milk that was in the frig and I will be if it did not contain added sugar.
Coffee was the first area we addressed. She was using non dairy creamers with lots of added sugar, then turning around and having a vegan protein drink with non-dairy milk with added sugar. We eat pretty healthy for dinner, but she found these non-dairy ice cream bars at night she was eating a lot of as well. Add to that alcoholic drinks and it was a lot more added sugar than anyone should have.
She's great about adjusting quickly and not complaining. I am as well, so I think we'll be pretty solid soon and I might just lose that last 10 pounds again that has alluded me since I hit my goal weight around 8 or 9 years ago!
We're gathering up all of our boxed, canned stuff with sugar and donating it this week to the food shelter down the road.7 -
@MikePfirrman I just finished reading Lifespan (2019) by David A Sinclair. Per it I have made a lot of right changes but as more research comes out there are more concerns that pops up on my radar. Pomegranate products have my attention currently as I doing some n=1 stuff for gut microbiome health concerns. Consuming a gallon a week rules out being in ketosis for sure but those are not empty carbs.1
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@MikePfirrman Showing signs, what did she notice first. Was she really tired, falling asleep at the drop of a hat. Did she notice any skin changes, on the sides of her feet, things like that? You're a good husband.1
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Diatonic12 wrote: »@MikePfirrman Showing signs, what did she notice first. Was she really tired, falling asleep at the drop of a hat. Did she notice any skin changes, on the sides of her feet, things like that? You're a good husband.
They just completed a full metabolic panel, so we don't have the results yet, but she was had elevated potassium (one sign), leg cramps at night often (from the potassium), anal itching (yeast from excess sugar not being digested), dry skin, tingling in her feet and calves. Always thirsty. These are just the ones I've taken mental note of.
She's not that tired or exhausted, so I'm guessing it's not that bad but pretty tell tail signs of early Type II. We have the appointment this week but why wait to change? We also found a really great doc here that loves to work with folks that are hyper proactive about taking responsibility for their health. He quit his old group because his patients were all about being put on meds and not changing any behaviors. That's not either of us. From what I'm understanding, you can't undo Type II, but you can certainly put it into remission, potentially permanently. She likes her sugar a lot more than she realized. I do too, for that matter, but I workout a ton, so it wasn't as evident with me. She's limited in how much physical working out she can do with the Fibro, which is pretty much in remission, but she can't workout more than 3 or 4 days a week.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.wkdzradio.com/2020/10/25/sunday-kentucky-covid-19-update/
From the news it sounds like Covid-19 number of cases are setting records in USA and Europe. The USA had some hot spots 6 months ago but now is wide spread with more nursing home involvement than ever in our region. Hope the talk of turning the corner in 2022 turns out to be correct.
i am so hoping you meant to type 2021.
I wish that was the case but from the science side of things 2021 is expected to see more cases than in 2020 since herd immunity seems to be a pipe dream. The good news is death rates are way down but Covid-19 is expected to be around for decades like many other viruses that can not be well managed with vaccine attempts because they are moving targets. I have family and friends that swear Covid-19 will be over by 4 Nov 2020 in the USA but if they are not careful they may wind up being "dead" wrong and taking others with them.
There was no crying face to click.
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MikePfirrman wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Well, the son in San Diego (the one who had tons of friends not social distancing and some were actual science deniers) has caught it. He's been sick for a week. Had a hard time breathing for several days. We're talking a kid that got D1 offers for both wrestling and soccer and he stays in great shape. He's feeling better now, but just what we were concerned about for Thanksgiving proved accurate.
I suppose if there's good news he'll now be coming for Thanksgiving. We also find out this week if my wife is showing signs of early type II Diabetes. We're both in a much better place about that now. We've already changed about the only thing we hadn't cut out -- sugar and alcohol. I've read two books on diabetes and aside from that, we were already doing everything right. Just concerns me more about her potentially getting Covid-19, with that being a higher risk group.
Hope your son continues to recover well.
After six years of eating for health I keep finding areas that I need to tweak. The added sugar thing still catches me off guard. After years I have gotten off of Half and Half because it causes sinus drainage and ran out of my Almond milk and grabbed some Coconut milk that was in the frig and I will be if it did not contain added sugar.
Coffee was the first area we addressed. She was using non dairy creamers with lots of added sugar, then turning around and having a vegan protein drink with non-dairy milk with added sugar. We eat pretty healthy for dinner, but she found these non-dairy ice cream bars at night she was eating a lot of as well. Add to that alcoholic drinks and it was a lot more added sugar than anyone should have.
She's great about adjusting quickly and not complaining. I am as well, so I think we'll be pretty solid soon and I might just lose that last 10 pounds again that has alluded me since I hit my goal weight around 8 or 9 years ago!
We're gathering up all of our boxed, canned stuff with sugar and donating it this week to the food shelter down the road.
If she likes non-dairy/vegan milks and protein drinks, she can still have them. There are plenty of low and no added sugar versions. The stuff I use is all very low sugar. My protein powder has 1 gram of sugar. My nut milk has 2 grams. ⭐1 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Well, the son in San Diego (the one who had tons of friends not social distancing and some were actual science deniers) has caught it. He's been sick for a week. Had a hard time breathing for several days. We're talking a kid that got D1 offers for both wrestling and soccer and he stays in great shape. He's feeling better now, but just what we were concerned about for Thanksgiving proved accurate.
I suppose if there's good news he'll now be coming for Thanksgiving. We also find out this week if my wife is showing signs of early type II Diabetes. We're both in a much better place about that now. We've already changed about the only thing we hadn't cut out -- sugar and alcohol. I've read two books on diabetes and aside from that, we were already doing everything right. Just concerns me more about her potentially getting Covid-19, with that being a higher risk group.
Hope your son continues to recover well.
After six years of eating for health I keep finding areas that I need to tweak. The added sugar thing still catches me off guard. After years I have gotten off of Half and Half because it causes sinus drainage and ran out of my Almond milk and grabbed some Coconut milk that was in the frig and I will be if it did not contain added sugar.
Coffee was the first area we addressed. She was using non dairy creamers with lots of added sugar, then turning around and having a vegan protein drink with non-dairy milk with added sugar. We eat pretty healthy for dinner, but she found these non-dairy ice cream bars at night she was eating a lot of as well. Add to that alcoholic drinks and it was a lot more added sugar than anyone should have.
She's great about adjusting quickly and not complaining. I am as well, so I think we'll be pretty solid soon and I might just lose that last 10 pounds again that has alluded me since I hit my goal weight around 8 or 9 years ago!
We're gathering up all of our boxed, canned stuff with sugar and donating it this week to the food shelter down the road.
If she likes non-dairy/vegan milks and protein drinks, she can still have them. There are plenty of low and no added sugar versions. The stuff I use is all very low sugar. My protein powder has 1 gram of sugar. My nut milk has 2 grams. ⭐
Thanks Jenilla. We found a few of them she likes already. Her Protein Drink was great, it was the Chocolate DF milk she was using (and the bananas in it). All her milks and creamers now are free of added sugar. There will be some adjustments for sure!1 -
As for diabetes and COVID, my father who is a solidly overweight diabetic with multiple other comorbidities, claims that if other preexisting conditions are "controlled" (like his diabetes via medication) they are no longer an added risk.
I would say he is half right.
Being diabetic, even if well controlled, is still a risk factor - however well controlled diabetes is much less of a risk than poorly controlled diabetes.
obviously, really - but if that is what he meant, then fair enough5 -
paperpudding wrote: »As for diabetes and COVID, my father who is a solidly overweight diabetic with multiple other comorbidities, claims that if other preexisting conditions are "controlled" (like his diabetes via medication) they are no longer an added risk.
I would say he is half right.
Being diabetic, even if well controlled, is still a risk factor - however well controlled diabetes is much less of a risk than poorly controlled diabetes.
obviously, really - but if that is what he meant, then fair enough
@paperpudding I think I agree with your assessment. Controlled is better than not controlled. But controlled is not better than no diabetes.
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Every underlying condition that is controlled with the proper medication is good, but not a sure thing. Doctors have been finding blot clots (DVTs) in many individuals infected by the virus, even when they were on blood thinners.
This is one of the reasons why I am concerned about my husband, besides his age. He is a Afib patient on blood thinners. I really don't want him catching the virus, so I am very protective of him and is condition.
@MikePfirrman: I wish you and your wife good luck and hope that her condition, if it is the beginning of TP2D, gets treated accordingly. It seems that both of you are working on that already.
Few years ago my husband A1C got close to 6, and I decided to scare the living lights out of him (doctor helped a lot). One of the things that I suggested to eliminate from his diet were bananas and OJ. Both high in sugar, and also to lose some extra wt. It worked like a charm. In the next 6 months his A1c value came down to normal levels. Sometimes we don’t realize where the sugar is hidden and how it can affect a person. He now drinks low sodium V8 to supplement the potassium, besides what he gets in his food. Little changes sometimes bring big improvements!
Has your wife tried Therawork spray with Mg. Sulfate? It is excellent for the relief of cramps and also to avoid getting cramps. Just spray it on her calves before going to bed and rub it to get full absorption in the skin. It is and OTC relief treatment and it was recommended by the doctor. I use it sometimes myself. My cramps are due to knee problems.
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paperpudding wrote: »As for diabetes and COVID, my father who is a solidly overweight diabetic with multiple other comorbidities, claims that if other preexisting conditions are "controlled" (like his diabetes via medication) they are no longer an added risk.
I would say he is half right.
Being diabetic, even if well controlled, is still a risk factor - however well controlled diabetes is much less of a risk than poorly controlled diabetes.
obviously, really - but if that is what he meant, then fair enough
@paperpudding I think I agree with your assessment. Controlled is better than not controlled. But controlled is not better than no diabetes.
Yes that is same as what I said.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.wkdzradio.com/2020/10/25/sunday-kentucky-covid-19-update/
From the news it sounds like Covid-19 number of cases are setting records in USA and Europe. The USA had some hot spots 6 months ago but now is wide spread with more nursing home involvement than ever in our region. Hope the talk of turning the corner in 2022 turns out to be correct.
i am so hoping you meant to type 2021.
I wish that was the case but from the science side of things 2021 is expected to see more cases than in 2020 since herd immunity seems to be a pipe dream. The good news is death rates are way down but Covid-19 is expected to be around for decades like many other viruses that can not be well managed with vaccine attempts because they are moving targets. I have family and friends that swear Covid-19 will be over by 4 Nov 2020 in the USA but if they are not careful they may wind up being "dead" wrong and taking others with them.
If 2021 is going to be worse than 2020, we're in for a crazy time. The failure was in not instituting earlier controls. Now it is impossible to stop it from growing exponentially.
The mathematical definition says that a quantity that increases with a rate proportional to its current size will grow exponentially. This means that as the quantity increases so does that rate at which it grows. The more infected people we have in the early stages of a disease outbreak, the more people they will infect and the more the cases will rise
We're now seeing more than 400,000 new cases worldwide per day, but of course we can remember when it was 200,000 cases per day, and before that, it was 60,000 and we thought that was high. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/5 -
You are assuming that this virus was controllable. Viruses like sharks have been around longer than man and both seem to control the responses of man more than the other way around. It has been said from the get go this coming winter was going to be very hard but hopefully the experts are wrong. You are correct often the second and third waves are worse.
Out of the UK last week we heard Covid-19 may be with us for years to come. Keep in mind most of what we have heard since March 2020 has been filtered by non medical people.
We now understand the lack good health practices invites pandemics historically speaking.4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »You are assuming that this virus was controllable. Viruses like sharks have been around longer than man and both seem to control the responses of man more than the other way around. It has been said from the get go this coming winter was going to be very hard but hopefully the experts are wrong. You are correct often the second and third waves are worse.
Out of the UK last week we heard Covid-19 may be with us for years to come. Keep in mind most of what we have heard since March 2020 has been filtered by non medical people.
We now understand the lack good health practices invites pandemics historically speaking.
It was. Several countries have done it/are doing it. But as the person above you said, it's too late for those that didn't get control of it early. The horse has well and truly bolted.15 -
In Italy we heard a report on the news yesterday that the Oxford vaccine (Italy is participating, as well as other countries) is working very well. In elderly individuals it is boosting their immunity to the disease higher than expected. The vaccine will go into production soon. First to get it will be health workers, police, and the very fragile. A massive vaccination campaign is scheduled for the spring.11
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Other news from our neck of the woods--our positive cases are mounting alarmingly and we are in a mini Lockdown. Hospitals are reaching a critical point. No gyms, pools, theaters, cinema, group sports, skiing, etc until at least the end of November. Restaurants and bars and all stores must close at 6 in the evening. No travel to other regions. Masks are obligatory everywhere and in the open. I expect this will continue at least into January. There is protesting this time(some of it violent). The government is promising funding, but many businesses will close. It is forbidden to fire employees.
Schools and museums are still open, and public transportation is crowded. For that problem, they seem to have no answers.19
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