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cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.
I'd be mad too...sounds like the Gestapo to me.
Lol with the disagrees...having to have "papers" doesn't sound familiar?
While I'm not one of the disagrees, I can understand why someone might not agree with equating needing permission to be out in public during a spiking pandemic with Nazis.
Finding a balance in all this can be difficult. Some govts are standing back and relying on citizens to make smart choices and finding this leads to uncontrolled spread, as the irresponsible folks spread it to those being careful. I don't think it's surprising or foreboding that other govts might over-correct to avoid that, whether I think it's the right way to go or not.
Hopefully as vaccine access starts to spread, these decisions will start to become easier for everyone.
I need an ID card to get into all sorts of places, including sometimes having to identify myself to a police officer or govt official as allowed to be present or doing what I'm doing. Again, not saying I agree with a hard lockdown that requires a permission slip, but no it did not make me think of the Gestapo.
Having to have ID to drive or having ID to go into a restricted area, etc is way...way...way different than having to have papers to move around as a person. You have your drivers license right?...so you need that and papers to move about...your ID license to drive isn't good enough...you need your papers...and eventually a "mark"2 -
The postal service is working like crazy right now and I had little faith the packages we sent would arrive as quick as usual. The woman at the post office even warned me 1 of them likely wouldn't arrive before Christmas. It was going to North Carolina and she told me due to Covid they were having a hard time finding people to unload trucks. Another had to travel all the way across the states. I mailed them out this past Monday and they were all received as of yesterday.
Five days. 12 -
Everyone is rather stressed right now I know. Even my MIL I never had an issue in decades annoyed me last night and I'm over it all.11
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snowflake954 wrote: »To all of you that wished me a Happy Birthday--thank you from my heart. I am stressing, but will power through--I always do. Everything will get done. My sons asked the other day "Aren't you making cookies this year?", so hey, yep, made some cookies, not nearly as many as I usually do. The cut-out cookies that need frosting are staring me in the face. Monday.
There is a discussion that the in-laws may come and stay in Rome with my DIL and so we may be doing Christmas together. She's an only child. Tomorrow I'll find out. The rules say you can have 2 guests, but have to open a window and have them eat in an adjoining room. Our rules are so complex and most are unenforceable. We are all very careful and it just bugs me to be punished with the real offenders. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas, and yes, I know I'm lucky to have all my children here. For those who don't--Hugs.
We all need a little room to vent I'm so sorry you are stuck with these bizarre consequences of other people's actions. I say don't just accept being Super Hostess - ask your family for help. And find some time to sneak into an unused room with a glass of wine or a couple of cookies for 15 minutes lol.
Like @mockchoc said I think everyone not in one of the few countries that have done a great job with this, all of our nerves are worn thin. The light at the end of the tunnel cannot get here fast enough!8 -
snowflake954 wrote: »To all of you that wished me a Happy Birthday--thank you from my heart. I am stressing, but will power through--I always do. Everything will get done. My sons asked the other day "Aren't you making cookies this year?", so hey, yep, made some cookies, not nearly as many as I usually do. The cut-out cookies that need frosting are staring me in the face. Monday.
There is a discussion that the in-laws may come and stay in Rome with my DIL and so we may be doing Christmas together. She's an only child. Tomorrow I'll find out. The rules say you can have 2 guests, but have to open a window and have them eat in an adjoining room. Our rules are so complex and most are unenforceable. We are all very careful and it just bugs me to be punished with the real offenders. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas, and yes, I know I'm lucky to have all my children here. For those who don't--Hugs.
We all need a little room to vent I'm so sorry you are stuck with these bizarre consequences of other people's actions. I say don't just accept being Super Hostess - ask your family for help. And find some time to sneak into an unused room with a glass of wine or a couple of cookies for 15 minutes lol.
Like @mockchoc said I think everyone not in one of the few countries that have done a great job with this, all of our nerves are worn thin. The light at the end of the tunnel cannot get here fast enough!
It is crazy really that even here we are having "discussions" about who's state government did a better job. She has no leg to stand on honestly. They had the Ruby Princess ship and more spread Covid and we had just about zero. Wake me up when next year is here lol!0 -
snowflake954 wrote: »To all of you that wished me a Happy Birthday--thank you from my heart. I am stressing, but will power through--I always do. Everything will get done. My sons asked the other day "Aren't you making cookies this year?", so hey, yep, made some cookies, not nearly as many as I usually do. The cut-out cookies that need frosting are staring me in the face. Monday.
There is a discussion that the in-laws may come and stay in Rome with my DIL and so we may be doing Christmas together. She's an only child. Tomorrow I'll find out. The rules say you can have 2 guests, but have to open a window and have them eat in an adjoining room. Our rules are so complex and most are unenforceable. We are all very careful and it just bugs me to be punished with the real offenders. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas, and yes, I know I'm lucky to have all my children here. For those who don't--Hugs.
Happy birthday!
. . . here's just a possible pointed thought: For *your* birthday, maybe *give your son* the gift of teaching him to make cookies (and maybe other holiday food), and if he objects, tell him that making them is *his* birthday gift to *you*, and make sad faces about how you won't always be around to make them, and he will miss them and regret this, blah blah blah etc. (I'm joking, kinda.)
I admit, I was kind of all WTF about the number of people who said "get the DIL to cook". Men can cook too, y'know?22 -
snowflake954 wrote: »To all of you that wished me a Happy Birthday--thank you from my heart. I am stressing, but will power through--I always do. Everything will get done. My sons asked the other day "Aren't you making cookies this year?", so hey, yep, made some cookies, not nearly as many as I usually do. The cut-out cookies that need frosting are staring me in the face. Monday.
There is a discussion that the in-laws may come and stay in Rome with my DIL and so we may be doing Christmas together. She's an only child. Tomorrow I'll find out. The rules say you can have 2 guests, but have to open a window and have them eat in an adjoining room. Our rules are so complex and most are unenforceable. We are all very careful and it just bugs me to be punished with the real offenders. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas, and yes, I know I'm lucky to have all my children here. For those who don't--Hugs.
Happy birthday!
. . . here's just a possible pointed thought: For *your* birthday, maybe *give your son* the gift of teaching him to make cookies (and maybe other holiday food), and if he objects, tell him that making them is *his* birthday give to *you*, and make sad faces about how you won't always be around to make them, and he will miss them and regret this, blah blah blah etc. (I'm joking, kinda.)
I admit, I was kind of all WTF about the number of people who said "get the DIL to cook". Men can cook too, y'know?
Hell yes to that! My brother is an amazing cook especially all the seafood he catches himself and smokes some of it too. I wish I lived closer.3 -
Happy birthday!
. . . here's just a possible pointed thought: For *your* birthday, maybe *give your son* the gift of teaching him to make cookies (and maybe other holiday food), and if he objects, tell him that making them is *his* birthday give to *you*, and make sad faces about how you won't always be around to make them, and he will miss them and regret this, blah blah blah etc. (I'm joking, kinda.)
I admit, I was kind of all WTF about the number of people who said "get the DIL to cook". Men can cook too, y'know?
This ^^^^. Thank you.
(I was debating on whether or not to say anything, I'm glad you did!)
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missysippy930 wrote: »I don’t know what it is about laundromats. My daughter says there are a lot of unmasked people there when she goes too. As far as cough drops go, my mother and husband have them all the time. I guess it helps with dry mouth issues. 🤷🏻♀️
Laundromats, just like any other building, should have a security officer at the door insisting on a mask before entering and possibly doing temperature checks. Also, hand sanitization on the way in. This is all "normal" everywhere I go now.1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »To all of you that wished me a Happy Birthday--thank you from my heart. I am stressing, but will power through--I always do. Everything will get done. My sons asked the other day "Aren't you making cookies this year?", so hey, yep, made some cookies, not nearly as many as I usually do. The cut-out cookies that need frosting are staring me in the face. Monday.
There is a discussion that the in-laws may come and stay in Rome with my DIL and so we may be doing Christmas together. She's an only child. Tomorrow I'll find out. The rules say you can have 2 guests, but have to open a window and have them eat in an adjoining room. Our rules are so complex and most are unenforceable. We are all very careful and it just bugs me to be punished with the real offenders. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas, and yes, I know I'm lucky to have all my children here. For those who don't--Hugs.
Happy birthday!
. . . here's just a possible pointed thought: For *your* birthday, maybe *give your son* the gift of teaching him to make cookies (and maybe other holiday food), and if he objects, tell him that making them is *his* birthday gift to *you*, and make sad faces about how you won't always be around to make them, and he will miss them and regret this, blah blah blah etc. (I'm joking, kinda.)
I admit, I was kind of all WTF about the number of people who said "get the DIL to cook". Men can cook too, y'know?
Yes, but it used to be a point of derision when a son married a girl who couldn't cook. Now I see from my time here on MFP that there are families who buy restaurant food for every meal. That's another "new normal" that's developed over the past few decades.0 -
I miss my son's cooking since he moved. He learned in self-defense against my cooking.16
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snowflake954 wrote: »To all of you that wished me a Happy Birthday--thank you from my heart. I am stressing, but will power through--I always do. Everything will get done. My sons asked the other day "Aren't you making cookies this year?", so hey, yep, made some cookies, not nearly as many as I usually do. The cut-out cookies that need frosting are staring me in the face. Monday.
There is a discussion that the in-laws may come and stay in Rome with my DIL and so we may be doing Christmas together. She's an only child. Tomorrow I'll find out. The rules say you can have 2 guests, but have to open a window and have them eat in an adjoining room. Our rules are so complex and most are unenforceable. We are all very careful and it just bugs me to be punished with the real offenders. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas, and yes, I know I'm lucky to have all my children here. For those who don't--Hugs.
We all need a little room to vent I'm so sorry you are stuck with these bizarre consequences of other people's actions. I say don't just accept being Super Hostess - ask your family for help. And find some time to sneak into an unused room with a glass of wine or a couple of cookies for 15 minutes lol.
Yeah, this. And happy birthday!1 -
I admit, I was kind of all WTF about the number of people who said "get the DIL to cook". Men can cook too, y'know?
I almost suggested the DIL too then went with the gender-neutral "other adults". Although odds are high that the expectation will fall on the women. I was a DIL once. The men didn't pitch in with holiday meals.4 -
Someone is having fun with their disagrees today. Must be fun living with them. Ok.. hit me with it ;P4
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missysippy930 wrote: »I don’t know what it is about laundromats. My daughter says there are a lot of unmasked people there when she goes too. As far as cough drops go, my mother and husband have them all the time. I guess it helps with dry mouth issues. 🤷🏻♀️
Laundromats, just like any other building, should have a security officer at the door insisting on a mask before entering and possibly doing temperature checks. Also, hand sanitization on the way in. This is all "normal" everywhere I go now.
In the US many laundromats are unstaffed on a regular basis and often a minimal number of customers at any one time. They aren't going to hire a security guard and nobody is going to apply for a job as an unarmed security to enforce mask mandates at $12 an hour.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Italy here. We just had an announcement (last minute) by the government. We're in Lockdown for Christmas-Dec 24th to 27th, then again Dec 29th to Jan 3rd, then again Jan 5th to 7th. All stores, coffee bars, and restaurants are to be closed (we already have had gyms, museums, theaters, sports, etc all closed for 2 months). If you leave your residence you need a permission form downloaded on internet stating your destination and reason. The police will stop and fine anyone noncompliant. No driving anywhere. So, we're trapped in our homes. I've been behind most of the COVID measures in the past, but this time I'm just mad.
I'd be mad too...sounds like the Gestapo to me.
Lol with the disagrees...having to have "papers" doesn't sound familiar?
While I'm not one of the disagrees, I can understand why someone might not agree with equating needing permission to be out in public during a spiking pandemic with Nazis.
Finding a balance in all this can be difficult. Some govts are standing back and relying on citizens to make smart choices and finding this leads to uncontrolled spread, as the irresponsible folks spread it to those being careful. I don't think it's surprising or foreboding that other govts might over-correct to avoid that, whether I think it's the right way to go or not.
Hopefully as vaccine access starts to spread, these decisions will start to become easier for everyone.
I need an ID card to get into all sorts of places, including sometimes having to identify myself to a police officer or govt official as allowed to be present or doing what I'm doing. Again, not saying I agree with a hard lockdown that requires a permission slip, but no it did not make me think of the Gestapo.
Having to have ID to drive or having ID to go into a restricted area, etc is way...way...way different than having to have papers to move around as a person. You have your drivers license right?...so you need that and papers to move about...your ID license to drive isn't good enough...you need your papers...and eventually a "mark"
I'll answer here because your other post will disappear. Sorry my venting touched a nerve. I never meant for the discussion to take this turn and hurt anyone. My very best friend's husband's family escaped Germany at the last minute. The authorities were entering the hospital (his father was a doctor) to pick him up and he escaped out the back door. Her husband was born in the hospital the day before and his mother ran with him and they all got out.
Here, in Italy, there is still much talk about what happened during the war and there is almost a week of movies and interviews with survivors. One of the last survivors of a camp just died today--it's on the news. How does this relate to this thread? The papers we need are downloaded on internet, and you're right, it is overkill. We need them to go to Mass on Christmas.7 -
I admit, I was kind of all WTF about the number of people who said "get the DIL to cook". Men can cook too, y'know?
I almost suggested the DIL too then went with the gender-neutral "other adults". Although odds are high that the expectation will fall on the women. I was a DIL once. The men didn't pitch in with holiday meals.
One of my all-time pet peeves and has nothing to do with Covid. I (and all the other attending women of course) was the one expected to cook. DH grilled a couple times a year and got so much praise over those hamburgers. Must be all the salads and desserts magically appeared by themselves. 
Now carry on Covid followers 17 -
@snowflake954
It appears that some people are, understandably, on their last nerve. As each day passes, more are feeling the stress and strain. Normal everyday life compounds the feelings.
Is there any chance of each individual family (male or female member, [we have some pretty terrible cooks in our family, of both sexes]), could be in charge of a part of the meal? I know you come from a big family, I do as well. When we were able to all get together for holidays, there could be 40 (sometimes more) people. We’d all bring a side dish and a tray of treats. The hosts would be responsible for the meats. Sometimes we become so used to the roles we play in life, that we, maybe unconsciously, take our loved ones for granted. It’s being exacerbated by this nightmare situation of 2020.
Even the difference in how this is being handled in different countries, can be stressful. Too strict, not strict enough. It adds to perception of unfairness.
Outlets, even small ones like going for a walk and getting a cappuccino, make a difference in our combating our stress levels.
I truly wish you and your family, the best holiday season.
Stay safe❤️7 -
missysippy930 wrote: »@snowflake954
It appears that some people are, understandably, on their last nerve. As each day passes, more are feeling the stress and strain. Normal everyday life compounds the feelings.
Is there any chance of each individual family (male or female member, [we have some pretty terrible cooks in our family, of both sexes]), could be in charge of a part of the meal? I know you come from a big family, I do as well. When we were able to all get together for holidays, there could be 40 (sometimes more) people. We’d all bring a side dish and a tray of treats. The hosts would be responsible for the meats. Sometimes we become so used to the roles we play in life, that we, maybe unconsciously, take our loved ones for granted. It’s being exacerbated by this nightmare situation of 2020.
Even the difference in how this is being handled in different countries, can be stressful. Too strict, not strict enough. It adds to perception of unfairness.
Outlets, even small ones like going for a walk and getting a cappuccino, make a difference in our combating our stress levels.
I truly wish you and your family, the best holiday season.
Stay safe❤️
Thank you--and all the others who posted. Things are much better today. My husband started telling me he loves me last evening and hasn't stopped since. He's doing everything to make it a special day. My husband is the only one who knows all I gave up to come here and marry him. He is a treasure for sure, and that's why I'm still here. The boys all gave birthday greetings this morning. Yes, I miss my family since they're all in Minnesota, but thank goodness they're all keeping safe and that's the important thing.
Wishing you a lovely Christmas and sure hope the New Year will bring better to all of us.24 -
Happy late B-Day Snowflake! Sorry I've been busy with work (which is a great thing and a good sign for the economy -- I see volume pick up or slow down in construction usually six months before everyone else does) and my daughter is home.
My daughter is the one that has been very careful. She's laid off right now but has had many options to go back to work from home. She had an interview yesterday and it sounds like she'll take that one. Covid has been much harder on her and my wife than me. They are beautiful social butterflies. I'm a slight curmugeon. She's going to stay on home with us until long after Christmas, which will be nice. Our dogs and cats love company and I think my daughter could use her momma, her dad's cooking and some furry love. Our daughter calls our house "the health spa retreat", which is great she thinks of it that way.
People's nerves are frayed. That's for sure. Be kind on here, please. I think this thread has become more about keeping your sanity than prep at times. I'd miss that if it got shut down.14
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