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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/covid-vaccine-moderna-working-on-covid-booster-shots-for-south-african-strain.html
I wonder if booster vaccines will be Brand Specific?2 -
Back from vacation in CA. Overall, we feel like we stayed very safe (the same was as in AZ) the entire time. Wore masks, even when just walking outside or watching the ocean waves.
There are people disregarding safety in CA, just like AZ -- we saw tons of examples of it. While mask wearing was more prevalent outside, which was great to see, we saw one restaurant/bar jam packed with no social distance -- open for business, we saw a Pilates studio with all the windows down doing a class jam packed inside, and many that weren't social distancing without masks outside. Same story, different place.
Trust me, I understand why businesses aren't abiding by the lockdowns. I get it. But it's also easy to understand that despite government's best intentions, people are going to do what people are going to do. It's just a very difficult situation for everyone, especially healthcare workers.
Was nice to see my son and the ocean, but I'm glad to be back home in my home office, back to my routine.9 -
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There's a study out indicating that it was the aggregate decisions of individuals to stay home because of the pandemic, prior to lockdowns in their states, that caused the economic drop-off last spring, suggesting that it's inaccurate to blame government policies for economic pain.
The study (written last summer -- not clear to me why it's suddenly surfacing)
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28139/w28139.pdf
Washington Post story about study
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/25/lockdowns-job-losses/
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Actually, never mind. I was going to question something I perceived as unnecessary rudeness, but I don't want and can't be bothered to get dragged into an argument about it. Comment withdrawn.8
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I think perhaps the 2 flags (as of when last I saw them) have been cleared, maybe because I did a flag/report to ask for moderator review. I don't *want* to post spam, so asked them to review for TOS compliance.
As I understand it, flagging things as spam makes them auto-delete after X flags (no human intervention). We're supposed to use flag/spam only for true advertising posted by people or bots that are not real sincere users of MFP. Things that are against TOS, we're supposed to use flag/report. That gets moderator review, and can have a range of consequences.
Let's go on with our regular posts on the thread now, shall we? (This is off topic.) 🙂10 -
As Ann said, it looks to have been cleared. Previously, the number 2 appeared between the flag icon and the word flag under the post -- so it's visible the same way a "like" or a "hug" is, but only until a mod clears it (or removes the post).0 -
We were given another reason to freak the heck out over Covid side effects. During the Big Church Outbreak of Christmas 2020, the pastor's daughter and fam got Covid and did get mild to moderately sick. All these weeks later, the son-in-law who I think is early 40s like me, was diagnosed with blood clots in his lungs! He was super healthy, lean, and a runner!
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »
As Ann said, it looks to have been cleared. Previously, the number 2 appeared between the flag icon and the word flag under the post -- so it's visible the same way a "like" or a "hug" is, but only until a mod clears it (or removes the post).
Thank you Lynn and Ann, I guess I have never seen a flagged post.2 -
It looks like the "disagree" patrol is in full force today. It must be the weather
Happy Monday! 5 -
COVID news
NPR: Merck Stops Developing Both Of Its COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates
"Merck has halted development of its two COVID-19 vaccine candidates, reports NPR. The company plans to "keep working on two therapeutic drugs, including one that aims to protect the body's respiratory system from the coronavirus' ravaging effects," per the report.
Merck is halting development of its two COVID-19 vaccine candidates, saying that while the drugs seemed to be safe, they didn't generate enough of an immune response to effectively protect people against the coronavirus.
While Merck is shelving both of its vaccine candidates, the company says it will keep working on two therapeutic drugs, including one that aims to protect the body's respiratory system from the coronavirus's ravaging effects. Last month, the company signed a deal with the U.S. government agreeing to supply up to 100,000 doses of one of those drugs for about $356 million.
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MikePfirrman wrote: »Back from vacation in CA. Overall, we feel like we stayed very safe (the same was as in AZ) the entire time. Wore masks, even when just walking outside or watching the ocean waves.
There are people disregarding safety in CA, just like AZ -- we saw tons of examples of it. While mask wearing was more prevalent outside, which was great to see, we saw one restaurant/bar jam packed with no social distance -- open for business, we saw a Pilates studio with all the windows down doing a class jam packed inside, and many that weren't social distancing without masks outside. Same story, different place.
Trust me, I understand why businesses aren't abiding by the lockdowns. I get it. But it's also easy to understand that despite government's best intentions, people are going to do what people are going to do. It's just a very difficult situation for everyone, especially healthcare workers.
Was nice to see my son and the ocean, but I'm glad to be back home in my home office, back to my routine.
https://deadline.com/2021/01/covid-california-lifts-stay-at-home-order-statewide-1234679784/
Hey the Governor now seeing things your way. Glad your trip went well.1 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I would suggest checking if you are Vitamin D deficient first -and if so, supplementing.
Not just for Covid reasons but general health
More striking was that vitamin D deficiency was found in 97% of severely ill patients who required ICU admission but in only 33% of asymptomatic cases, suggesting that low levels are a necessary component of severe COVID-19.
that may well be so - but doesnt mean had those same patients not been deficient in vitamin D, their Covid outcome would of been different.
It just as likely suggests people vulnerable to getting Covid due to age or co morbidities are also those likely to be deficient in Vitamin D - which strikes me as being expected news,not at all surprising - given people who are obese, very old, chronic illness are less likely to be doing outside activites and therefore getting enough Vitamin D from sunshine
Ie Correlation
Yup, it's just correlation with the background that Vit D is well connected to the immune system. Research is in progress to evaluate causation, but why wait when the cost and risk are nominal? Certainly a blood test to check your levels is ideal, but it's not a common test. In my life, I've only had one doctor check this level and discuss it with me.
cant speak for where you live - but Vitamin D blood testing as part of routine blood tests- glucose, cholesterol iron levels etc is fairly routine here, especially for people considered at risk - eg older people with osteoporosis risk.
However if you want to take a standard dose Vitamin D supplement, no harm in doing so - or of making a point of sitting in the sunshine for 20 minutes a day (presuming there is sunshine where you live)
Me personally_ I do not take supplements unless I have a prove deficiency or a specific requirement (like folic acid in pregnancy)
Given that my blood tests in the past have not shown such a deficiency and I get outside for 20 minutes at least per day and I do not have osteoporosis - No, not starting taking Vitamin D now.
When I had a checkup with blood tests several years back I had a vitamin D deficiency despite spending over an hour a day outdoors as a regular runner, being in my mid 30's with a good diet, having light skin, and living in southern CA. I am religious about sunscreen use but that surprised me.
The bolded part is the problem. If you want to absorb vit D thru the sun, you need to expose your extremities for about 15 or 20 without sunscreen. Preferable early in the morning or late in the afternoon when the risk of sunburn is less.
Using sunscreen with an SPF of 8 cuts the amount of vitamin absorbed from the sun by 95 percent, and those with higher SPF rates reduce vitamin D absorption to virtually zero
Risk of sunburn (UVB rays) may be less, but the UVA rays (skin cancer and premature again) are prevalent even on cloudy days.
One of my friends had two bouts of melanoma. For the second one, she ended up in MD Anderson in Houston. I learned a lot spending time with her. Too much, maybe. I will say, this whole mask thing saved me a lot on sunscreen this summer. Between that and my hats, I didn’t gain a freckle.
I've known quite a few folks who have had pre-cancerous skin cut from their face. I am happy to continue to treat my deficiency via dietary supplementation versus UV exposure. Not to mention the visible damage and aging that it causes to skin that I've seen in friends and family that spend significant time outdoors for work or recreation. The photo of the truck driver showing the stark contrast was certainly telling: https://www.livescience.com/20743-photo-sun-damage-skin-cancer.html6 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I would suggest checking if you are Vitamin D deficient first -and if so, supplementing.
Not just for Covid reasons but general health
More striking was that vitamin D deficiency was found in 97% of severely ill patients who required ICU admission but in only 33% of asymptomatic cases, suggesting that low levels are a necessary component of severe COVID-19.
that may well be so - but doesnt mean had those same patients not been deficient in vitamin D, their Covid outcome would of been different.
It just as likely suggests people vulnerable to getting Covid due to age or co morbidities are also those likely to be deficient in Vitamin D - which strikes me as being expected news,not at all surprising - given people who are obese, very old, chronic illness are less likely to be doing outside activites and therefore getting enough Vitamin D from sunshine
Ie Correlation
Yup, it's just correlation with the background that Vit D is well connected to the immune system. Research is in progress to evaluate causation, but why wait when the cost and risk are nominal? Certainly a blood test to check your levels is ideal, but it's not a common test. In my life, I've only had one doctor check this level and discuss it with me.
cant speak for where you live - but Vitamin D blood testing as part of routine blood tests- glucose, cholesterol iron levels etc is fairly routine here, especially for people considered at risk - eg older people with osteoporosis risk.
However if you want to take a standard dose Vitamin D supplement, no harm in doing so - or of making a point of sitting in the sunshine for 20 minutes a day (presuming there is sunshine where you live)
Me personally_ I do not take supplements unless I have a prove deficiency or a specific requirement (like folic acid in pregnancy)
Given that my blood tests in the past have not shown such a deficiency and I get outside for 20 minutes at least per day and I do not have osteoporosis - No, not starting taking Vitamin D now.
When I had a checkup with blood tests several years back I had a vitamin D deficiency despite spending over an hour a day outdoors as a regular runner, being in my mid 30's with a good diet, having light skin, and living in southern CA. I am religious about sunscreen use but that surprised me.
The bolded part is the problem. If you want to absorb vit D thru the sun, you need to expose your extremities for about 15 or 20 without sunscreen. Preferable early in the morning or late in the afternoon when the risk of sunburn is less.
Using sunscreen with an SPF of 8 cuts the amount of vitamin absorbed from the sun by 95 percent, and those with higher SPF rates reduce vitamin D absorption to virtually zero
Do you have a source for sunscreen/vitamin D impact? I expect a reduction in UV and subsequent vitamin D, but not a nearly complete elimination. I wear SPF 30 but still do get a bit of a tan.3 -
@The_Enginerd
Check this link and see if it answers your question.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/health/vitamin-d-deficiency-sunscreen-wellness/index.html2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Back from vacation in CA. Overall, we feel like we stayed very safe (the same was as in AZ) the entire time. Wore masks, even when just walking outside or watching the ocean waves.
There are people disregarding safety in CA, just like AZ -- we saw tons of examples of it. While mask wearing was more prevalent outside, which was great to see, we saw one restaurant/bar jam packed with no social distance -- open for business, we saw a Pilates studio with all the windows down doing a class jam packed inside, and many that weren't social distancing without masks outside. Same story, different place.
Trust me, I understand why businesses aren't abiding by the lockdowns. I get it. But it's also easy to understand that despite government's best intentions, people are going to do what people are going to do. It's just a very difficult situation for everyone, especially healthcare workers.
Was nice to see my son and the ocean, but I'm glad to be back home in my home office, back to my routine.
https://deadline.com/2021/01/covid-california-lifts-stay-at-home-order-statewide-1234679784/
Hey the Governor now seeing things your way. Glad your trip went well.
I personally think that it is a mistake to lift the restrictions so soon. People don't know how to moderate themselves and police and we are still not out of the woods. He should have kept them for a couple of more weeks to give the chance for more people to be vaccinated. The demand for vaccination is greater than the supply, so I hope that in a couple of months we don't have to shut down all over again.
I understand the economic hurdles that the state is going thru, but sick or dead people don't contribute to the economy either. By the way, I do live in Southern California, so everything affects me as well.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Back from vacation in CA. Overall, we feel like we stayed very safe (the same was as in AZ) the entire time. Wore masks, even when just walking outside or watching the ocean waves.
There are people disregarding safety in CA, just like AZ -- we saw tons of examples of it. While mask wearing was more prevalent outside, which was great to see, we saw one restaurant/bar jam packed with no social distance -- open for business, we saw a Pilates studio with all the windows down doing a class jam packed inside, and many that weren't social distancing without masks outside. Same story, different place.
Trust me, I understand why businesses aren't abiding by the lockdowns. I get it. But it's also easy to understand that despite government's best intentions, people are going to do what people are going to do. It's just a very difficult situation for everyone, especially healthcare workers.
Was nice to see my son and the ocean, but I'm glad to be back home in my home office, back to my routine.
https://deadline.com/2021/01/covid-california-lifts-stay-at-home-order-statewide-1234679784/
Hey the Governor now seeing things your way. Glad your trip went well.
I personally think that it is a mistake to lift the restrictions so soon. People don't know how to moderate themselves and police and we are still not out of the woods. He should have kept them for a couple of more weeks to give the chance for more people to be vaccinated. The demand for vaccination is greater than the supply, so I hope that in a couple of months we don't have to shut down all over again.
I understand the economic hurdles that the state is going thru, but sick or dead people don't contribute to the economy either. By the way, I do live in Southern California, so everything affects me as well.
I am in agreement with you but think he fears the voters in CA will stop paying his salary and rent. Most of us have little control over the big picture how Covid-19 impacts us long term financially and health wise.0 -
Some information and theories on long haulers.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/doctors-begin-to-crack-covids-mysterious-long-term-effects-11604252961?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR2oi-eKhJe2oATU-wfjhhyJwObKujSkyLvpxYxIsABOCGhJyieXsUTS4bg2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Back from vacation in CA. Overall, we feel like we stayed very safe (the same was as in AZ) the entire time. Wore masks, even when just walking outside or watching the ocean waves.
There are people disregarding safety in CA, just like AZ -- we saw tons of examples of it. While mask wearing was more prevalent outside, which was great to see, we saw one restaurant/bar jam packed with no social distance -- open for business, we saw a Pilates studio with all the windows down doing a class jam packed inside, and many that weren't social distancing without masks outside. Same story, different place.
Trust me, I understand why businesses aren't abiding by the lockdowns. I get it. But it's also easy to understand that despite government's best intentions, people are going to do what people are going to do. It's just a very difficult situation for everyone, especially healthcare workers.
Was nice to see my son and the ocean, but I'm glad to be back home in my home office, back to my routine.
https://deadline.com/2021/01/covid-california-lifts-stay-at-home-order-statewide-1234679784/
Hey the Governor now seeing things your way. Glad your trip went well.
Yeah, he called us yesterday to tell us the news! I'm glad for him. Life has been tough under lockdown for many of them in CA. His work was directly impacted, though I understand why they did it. I just don't think it was that effective from what I saw going on, at least in La Jolla. But La Jolla is like the extreme example of people that feel entitled. The extremes there were stark. Either people really following the rules or completely disregarding them. Perhaps it's the beach that brings that out or the wealth of the people there. I'm not sure.
But what was clear is that the businesses that were violating the laws were the ones that were benefitting and the ones that actually listened to the Governor were getting crushed. I worked over 15 years in restaurants and bars, so I was talking to many of the business owners there (when we ordered take out -- which we were forced to -- the fridge in the AirBnb was broken). The ones that had shut down everything were hanging by a thread. Others were like, "let them shut me down, because I'm done with shutting down...". The latter were packed like nothing was going on. My son even told me that there's an Instagram account set up for businesses that were ignoring guidelines to tell people, essentially, that they are open for business.2 -
This is worrisome
Everyday activities are more dangerous now that new Covid-19 variants are circulating, expert says
..."Health officials are "extremely" worried about the new Covid-19 variants that have been detected in the US and what they could mean over the coming months, one expert said Monday night."
"We've seen what happens in other countries that have actually had coronavirus under relatively good control, then these variants took over and they had explosive spread of the virus, and then overwhelmed hospitals,"
..."If there is something more contagious among us, if we thought that going to the grocery store before was relatively safe, there's actually a higher likelihood of contracting coronavirus through those every day activities," she said. "
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html9 -
@Gisel2015 these issues have been on my mind for the last year and can see your concerns are valid. Currently I view worrying about getting Covid-19 just increases my risk of actually getting it since worry is one factor that lowers my immune system. Concern on the other can be helpful in avoiding becoming a desirable host for the virus.
We know we're all are exposed to the virus but very very few will die because of it. I can avoid places like movies and church. Walmart is one high risk location in my case but I don't camp out there reading labels.
Thanks to MFP over the years I know the make-up a high or low inflammatory way of eating. We know Covid-19 is not an indecrimate killer.
At the end of the day I only have control over me. Thoughts that I think and what I put in my mouth are about all I have control over.
If this virus keeps moving faster than science we may have to learn how to coexist with it. Mother Nature has ways to correct the mess we can make of the planet. Cities have depopulated many times since the last Ice Age. Just read the histories of the South, Central and North American Indians.
Man created the environment and invitation for this current and coming Pandemics.
Vaccines may or not be very helpful going forward but I hope we stop inviting future pandemics through continued pollution of earth.8 -
Got my results for the bloodwork from my annual physical orders. Vitamin D is 22
Going to start investigating supplements.5 -
FWIW, just for consideration:
Report on NPR station a little while ago (didn't notice whether it was national or state level) says double masking is now a good idea, partly because of the new variants that are more highly contagious. The expert ** they were interviewing suggested a disposable filter-type mask next to the face because of better filtration, cloth mask over that to add layers but especially to keep fit to the face better (fewer, smaller gaps).
** I didn't catch the intro; could've been anything from a science journalist regurgitating info to a high-level epidemiologist/doctor. Don't know, sorry. 😐🤷♀️
Other comments: N95 should still be primarily reserved for health care workers & similar. KN95 are fairly available, but lots of substandard/fake ones on the market (said CDC website has a list of reliable brands). Interviewee said she wouldn't worry about double mask for (say) walking the dog, but a good idea for places like grocery stores2 -
This is worrisome
Everyday activities are more dangerous now that new Covid-19 variants are circulating, expert says
..."Health officials are "extremely" worried about the new Covid-19 variants that have been detected in the US and what they could mean over the coming months, one expert said Monday night."
"We've seen what happens in other countries that have actually had coronavirus under relatively good control, then these variants took over and they had explosive spread of the virus, and then overwhelmed hospitals,"
..."If there is something more contagious among us, if we thought that going to the grocery store before was relatively safe, there's actually a higher likelihood of contracting coronavirus through those every day activities," she said. "
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
My wife is completely freaked out about this new variant. Although it's highly contagious and likely even potentially more deadly (I've read mostly because the amount of viral load you can pick up in a shorter amount of time, something we've talked about on this thread), I'm more worried about it for others than my family.
I ran to the grocery store today. Looking around, I saw, by just a quick count, like 15 of the cheap blue disposable masks on folks. There's a Starbucks in Bashas (an AZ grocery store) -- there were 8 people inside there with no masks. Bashas has a deli section where you can eat -- five or so there with no masks. Also saw chin strap wearers throughout the store. These folks are at great risk of getting the new variants.
Already, they are warning folks with just the neck gaitors, etc., that they are at much greater risk. I don't go anywhere without my KN-95 mask that's been adjusted. Not that it is 100% fool proof, but I like my odds much better than being a chin strap wearer. Please cover your noses people!
Good advice by Ann on the KN-95 quality check.4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Back from vacation in CA. Overall, we feel like we stayed very safe (the same was as in AZ) the entire time. Wore masks, even when just walking outside or watching the ocean waves.
There are people disregarding safety in CA, just like AZ -- we saw tons of examples of it. While mask wearing was more prevalent outside, which was great to see, we saw one restaurant/bar jam packed with no social distance -- open for business, we saw a Pilates studio with all the windows down doing a class jam packed inside, and many that weren't social distancing without masks outside. Same story, different place.
Trust me, I understand why businesses aren't abiding by the lockdowns. I get it. But it's also easy to understand that despite government's best intentions, people are going to do what people are going to do. It's just a very difficult situation for everyone, especially healthcare workers.
Was nice to see my son and the ocean, but I'm glad to be back home in my home office, back to my routine.
https://deadline.com/2021/01/covid-california-lifts-stay-at-home-order-statewide-1234679784/
Hey the Governor now seeing things your way. Glad your trip went well.
I personally think that it is a mistake to lift the restrictions so soon. People don't know how to moderate themselves and police and we are still not out of the woods. He should have kept them for a couple of more weeks to give the chance for more people to be vaccinated. The demand for vaccination is greater than the supply, so I hope that in a couple of months we don't have to shut down all over again.
I understand the economic hurdles that the state is going thru, but sick or dead people don't contribute to the economy either. By the way, I do live in Southern California, so everything affects me as well.
Yeah, me too. I won’t change my habits anytime soon soon. Too much risk, especially to those with whom I work.
Sadly, I think it’ll go in waves. We loosen, things get worse for a month or two, then we tighten up. If folks could only hang on with the right restrictions just a little longer ...
One thing going for us are none of the traditional “gathering” holidays, typically with alcohol, occur at this time of year. The summer has Memorial Day, 4th of July, and Labor Day. Late fall has Thanksgiving and then the December holidays.
We do have MLK and Cesar Chavez Day, and while there may be gatherings, they’re not the kind where people drink with abandon and many activities will be online. And I don’t recall seeing anyone go all out for President’s Day.
The next big hurdles to me are St. Patrick’s Day and Mardi Graw (maybe Super Bowl Sunday a little—or did that already happen? 😂).2 -
Super Bowl Sunday is on February 7th.2
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Got my results for the bloodwork from my annual physical orders. Vitamin D is 22
Going to start investigating supplements.
Recently watched this YouTube video, with two 'known' experts discussing Vit D. I really like how John Campbell presents the science around COVID.
Mr David Davis MP and Vitamin D
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Got my results for the bloodwork from my annual physical orders. Vitamin D is 22
Going to start investigating supplements.
Recently watched this YouTube video, with two 'known' experts discussing Vit D. My link is to just before they talk treatment including Vit D supplementation. I really like how John Campbell presents the science around COVID.
Mr David Davis MP and Vitamin D
@theo166 thank you. I appreciate the link. I’m going to watch/listen to the whole presentation tonight.0 -
Sadly, I think it’ll go in waves. We loosen, things get worse for a month or two, then we tighten up. If folks could only hang on with the right restrictions just a little longer ...
One thing going for us are none of the traditional “gathering” holidays, typically with alcohol, occur at this time of year. The summer has Memorial Day, 4th of July, and Labor Day. Late fall has Thanksgiving and then the December holidays.
We do have MLK and Cesar Chavez Day, and while there may be gatherings, they’re not the kind where people drink with abandon and many activities will be online. And I don’t recall seeing anyone go all out for President’s Day.
The next big hurdles to me are St. Patrick’s Day and Mardi Graw (maybe Super Bowl Sunday a little—or did that already happen? 😂).
Yea, it will continue in waves, but we are also vaccinating close to 1million a day, within the the population at highest risk of exposure or highest risk of serious outcomes. The case fatality rate should be dropping even if the infection rate remains troublesome.4 -
FWIW, just for consideration:
Report on NPR station a little while ago (didn't notice whether it was national or state level) says double masking is now a good idea, partly because of the new variants that are more highly contagious. The expert ** they were interviewing suggested a disposable filter-type mask next to the face because of better filtration, cloth mask over that to add layers but especially to keep fit to the face better (fewer, smaller gaps).
** I didn't catch the intro; could've been anything from a science journalist regurgitating info to a high-level epidemiologist/doctor. Don't know, sorry. 😐🤷♀️
Other comments: N95 should still be primarily reserved for health care workers & similar. KN95 are fairly available, but lots of substandard/fake ones on the market (said CDC website has a list of reliable brands). Interviewee said she wouldn't worry about double mask for (say) walking the dog, but a good idea for places like grocery stores
I've heard the same, from multiple sources. That for stuff like grocery shopping where you're indoors with strangers, to double mask or get a pro grade mask. In addition to KN95, I saw a suggestion of a KF94 (I think?). No idea what the difference is, but something I made a mental note to look into.
The only place I go where there's even a chance of having strangers close to me is grocery/toiletry shopping, and I go at odd times and I'll just not get an item on my list if an aisle isn't mostly clear, but if I can up my mask game I'm starting to think it might be worth it.4
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