Coronavirus prep
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Just a PSA reminder that (just like with weight loss articles) just because a news or tabloid website posts an article and references a study, or even a statement by a scientific org, doesn't mean that the article is drawing the correct conclusion.
I just saw people on the tweeter loosing their crap because "eggs are bad again" because of some dumb self-reported correlation study that was inadequately reported on news sites. They are doing that with covid too, so if you don't feel like parsing the scientific language of the actual study, just keep distancing, wearing your mask(s), and looking for the darn vaccine and dont get lost in the weeds. The apocalypse has been stressful enough.
Exactly. I always sift through the article and find the actual study and look at it. I don't need a possibly dirty or twisted lens to look at it through TYVM. I can do it myself. I'm a big girl.
People on the tweeter (I will forever call it that now, so hilarious!) excel at losing their crap aren't they.4 -
baconslave wrote: »I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
From what I have read it is more common of recipients under 55 to have a more robust response to vaccines. Vaccines have a substance called an "adjuvant" that is designed to alert the body that there is an invader to provoke a response. As older people have less energetic immune systems, their response is less pronounced. It just doesn't pounce as hard. The Covid vax acts the same. So I imagine that if that is the case for Modern, they used a more provocatory adjuvant. My Dad is 76, and he got severe aches and chills the night after the vaccine. And soreness at the injection site and that was all. He'll get his second tomorrow. So we shall see how he weathers that.
So the 2nd dose tends to overall provoke more severe reactions than the first across both, but according to this source, Moderna's overall side effects are worse than Pfizer's. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-why-your-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-will-likely-have-stronger-side-effects#Millions-of-doses,-few-problems
EDIT: Being the shameless nerd that I am, I couldn't let this go. According one study, neither use a separate adjuvant, but "BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna do not explicitly state the use of an adjuvant within their vaccines, but RNA already contains immunostimulatory properties and signals through pathogen recognition receptors.72 It remains to be seen whether the immunostimulation from RNA is strong enough to confer full protection against SARS-CoV-2. There is also a possibility that the LNP carriers they utilize confer adjuvant properties themselves." Super neat. So if this is true, than the lipsomes and mRNA formulations in the Moderna are more naturally rowdy than the ones Pfizer uses.
(This source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553041/)
This exactly they talked about on TWIV. They supposed that older immune systems slowly react over time while younger immune systems just bang it right out. They also joked that older people might simply be more used to being tired and achy and don't notice it
My Dad has said that.
I need to add that podcast to my queue.2 -
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2021/02/russia-first-human-cases-of-h5n8-bird-flu/
Maybe thanks to Covid-19 learning experience over the last year things like h5n8 can be nipped in the bud to reduce the risk of another pandemic.2 -
https://www.mediaite.com/news/johns-hopkins-doctor-predicts-covid-will-be-mostly-gone-by-april/
Sounds like high rates of Covid-19 may be finally winding down the pandemic.2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.mediaite.com/news/johns-hopkins-doctor-predicts-covid-will-be-mostly-gone-by-april/
Sounds like high rates of Covid-19 may be finally winding down the pandemic.
He is a surgeon, and that is not an opinion held by public health experts and virologists. Those people are hopeful that we will not see another large spike though, as hopefully vaccination rates will hold down hospitalizations going forward. I will continue to mask and distance until I get vaxxed, probably late summer, based on what they are saying.7 -
baconslave wrote: »baconslave wrote: »I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
From what I have read it is more common of recipients under 55 to have a more robust response to vaccines. Vaccines have a substance called an "adjuvant" that is designed to alert the body that there is an invader to provoke a response. As older people have less energetic immune systems, their response is less pronounced. It just doesn't pounce as hard. The Covid vax acts the same. So I imagine that if that is the case for Modern, they used a more provocatory adjuvant. My Dad is 76, and he got severe aches and chills the night after the vaccine. And soreness at the injection site and that was all. He'll get his second tomorrow. So we shall see how he weathers that.
So the 2nd dose tends to overall provoke more severe reactions than the first across both, but according to this source, Moderna's overall side effects are worse than Pfizer's. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-why-your-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-will-likely-have-stronger-side-effects#Millions-of-doses,-few-problems
EDIT: Being the shameless nerd that I am, I couldn't let this go. According one study, neither use a separate adjuvant, but "BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna do not explicitly state the use of an adjuvant within their vaccines, but RNA already contains immunostimulatory properties and signals through pathogen recognition receptors.72 It remains to be seen whether the immunostimulation from RNA is strong enough to confer full protection against SARS-CoV-2. There is also a possibility that the LNP carriers they utilize confer adjuvant properties themselves." Super neat. So if this is true, than the lipsomes and mRNA formulations in the Moderna are more naturally rowdy than the ones Pfizer uses.
(This source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553041/)
This exactly they talked about on TWIV. They supposed that older immune systems slowly react over time while younger immune systems just bang it right out. They also joked that older people might simply be more used to being tired and achy and don't notice it
My Dad has said that.
I need to add that podcast to my queue.
It can be dense, prob two thirds of it goes over my head lol but it's so reassuring. When they get really technical, I kind of zone out and drift back when it starts to sound like it's back on my level
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Yes being an island helps.
But UK is an island too - and nobody would be pleased with the covid situation there.
Low population density helps too and I'm sure all countries, just like here, have worse outbreaks in cities.
But border closures weren't just international - state borders closing was also crucial in containment.
Being an island simply helps you restrict travel, something AUS, NZ, Taiwan, etc did to contain the spread. As I recall, the UK felt it was inconvenient.
I think the conclusion of last year will be that lock downs without also restricting travel doesn't work.
It helps you cut international travel but Internal or state borders closing isnt an issue of being an island or not.
Yes I agree lockdowns and travel restrictions were both crucial.
You have mentioned the interstate travel restrictions. How did this work in Australia? Was it the "honor system", just essentially asking people not to cross state borders, or were there actual checkpoints set up?
I ask because it simply wouldn't be feasible in the U.S. to close state borders. There are no real border crossings, just tourism signs that say "Welcome to Iowa" or wherever. As an example, my state, Illinois, borders 5 other states. For just one of those borders, there are 83 roads that cross from Illinois into Wisconsin (I looked at a map and counted). Most people cross that border using two interstate highways, but there's no way you could stop traffic on a 8-lane interstate to check IDs. It's just not possible.
With 48 states that share borders with other states, it's not even a serious topic of discussion from a logistical sense.
People had to (and still do for some states) apply to cross the state borders g2g passes (good to go) or travel e passes depending on the risk level of where they have been or lived. Some states had hard borders on the roads to prevent people entering (eg Queensland, WA and SA). Can only enter Tasmania by air or Sea so that was more easily managed. No doubt some people likely breached the road borders (there were many news stories of those caught) and got away with with it but for the most part people did stay home during the worse for Australia.7 -
yes I concur with what tip toe said - for the large part, people complied anyway (there were exceptions eg for essential workers and compassionate reasons - those people applied for exemption passes) and many border cross points are highways which were manned and enforced.
Yes there were reports of people sneaking across via unsealed dirt roads - some whom got bogged and had to be rescued - needless to say, law took a dim view of such.
As almost everyone wanted to protect their state, not complying, as well as being illegal and making one subject to fines, also was unpopular and almost pointless - why would you want to sneak across when nobody would be happy to see you anyway and you would become a social pariah?9 -
baconslave wrote: »baconslave wrote: »I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
From what I have read it is more common of recipients under 55 to have a more robust response to vaccines. Vaccines have a substance called an "adjuvant" that is designed to alert the body that there is an invader to provoke a response. As older people have less energetic immune systems, their response is less pronounced. It just doesn't pounce as hard. The Covid vax acts the same. So I imagine that if that is the case for Modern, they used a more provocatory adjuvant. My Dad is 76, and he got severe aches and chills the night after the vaccine. And soreness at the injection site and that was all. He'll get his second tomorrow. So we shall see how he weathers that.
So the 2nd dose tends to overall provoke more severe reactions than the first across both, but according to this source, Moderna's overall side effects are worse than Pfizer's. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-why-your-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-will-likely-have-stronger-side-effects#Millions-of-doses,-few-problems
EDIT: Being the shameless nerd that I am, I couldn't let this go. According one study, neither use a separate adjuvant, but "BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna do not explicitly state the use of an adjuvant within their vaccines, but RNA already contains immunostimulatory properties and signals through pathogen recognition receptors.72 It remains to be seen whether the immunostimulation from RNA is strong enough to confer full protection against SARS-CoV-2. There is also a possibility that the LNP carriers they utilize confer adjuvant properties themselves." Super neat. So if this is true, than the lipsomes and mRNA formulations in the Moderna are more naturally rowdy than the ones Pfizer uses.
(This source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553041/)
This exactly they talked about on TWIV. They supposed that older immune systems slowly react over time while younger immune systems just bang it right out. They also joked that older people might simply be more used to being tired and achy and don't notice it
My Dad has said that.
I need to add that podcast to my queue.
It can be dense, prob two thirds of it goes over my head lol but it's so reassuring. When they get really technical, I kind of zone out and drift back when it starts to sound like it's back on my level
That sounds like my life as a technical recruiter for 25 years!
My brother has continued to improve, so that's been a huge relief. Getting ready soon for a road trip to TX, to move my daughter from Austin to here with us. She still has her car there and we have to sell most of her furniture. She's going to stay with us for a longer term and save money again -- most of her savings are gone after a year with Covid-19. Bittersweet to have her here. She was doing really well pre-Covid. A once, very happy and productive young professional woman is now very depressed and unsure of herself. It's been devistating, as a parent, to watch. I'm sure we're not unique in this whole pandemic.
We are just keeping our fingers crossed that her last month of utility bills won't be an incredibly horrible surprise. Not much choice on this trip. We will likely have to spend one day in a hotel (not thrilled about that) each way. I'll likely wear a mask nearly the entire time in the hotel.20 -
My daughter is having issues with anxiety and depression too. It’s kind of covid related. She’s been working from home for 4 years now, but she misses the social aspect of her life. Financially, she’s doing well, as she’s very frugal, but, she’s lonely. As an only child, she worries (she’s always been a worrier) about her elderly parents (late 60’s). At her regular doctors appointment last fall, they prescribed Prozac. They had to play around with dosage for a while, but she’s doing well now. Pre-covid, she traveled a lot, both for work and pleasure, so the past year no travel. There’s a tentative marathon scheduled in Kansas City in April, that a friend asked her to come along for support. She asked me to cat sit for her. I have mixed feelings. I’m glad to stay with her cat, but worried about the safety aspect.13
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MikePfirrman wrote: »baconslave wrote: »baconslave wrote: »I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
From what I have read it is more common of recipients under 55 to have a more robust response to vaccines. Vaccines have a substance called an "adjuvant" that is designed to alert the body that there is an invader to provoke a response. As older people have less energetic immune systems, their response is less pronounced. It just doesn't pounce as hard. The Covid vax acts the same. So I imagine that if that is the case for Modern, they used a more provocatory adjuvant. My Dad is 76, and he got severe aches and chills the night after the vaccine. And soreness at the injection site and that was all. He'll get his second tomorrow. So we shall see how he weathers that.
So the 2nd dose tends to overall provoke more severe reactions than the first across both, but according to this source, Moderna's overall side effects are worse than Pfizer's. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-why-your-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-will-likely-have-stronger-side-effects#Millions-of-doses,-few-problems
EDIT: Being the shameless nerd that I am, I couldn't let this go. According one study, neither use a separate adjuvant, but "BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna do not explicitly state the use of an adjuvant within their vaccines, but RNA already contains immunostimulatory properties and signals through pathogen recognition receptors.72 It remains to be seen whether the immunostimulation from RNA is strong enough to confer full protection against SARS-CoV-2. There is also a possibility that the LNP carriers they utilize confer adjuvant properties themselves." Super neat. So if this is true, than the lipsomes and mRNA formulations in the Moderna are more naturally rowdy than the ones Pfizer uses.
(This source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553041/)
This exactly they talked about on TWIV. They supposed that older immune systems slowly react over time while younger immune systems just bang it right out. They also joked that older people might simply be more used to being tired and achy and don't notice it
My Dad has said that.
I need to add that podcast to my queue.
It can be dense, prob two thirds of it goes over my head lol but it's so reassuring. When they get really technical, I kind of zone out and drift back when it starts to sound like it's back on my level
That sounds like my life as a technical recruiter for 25 years!
My brother has continued to improve, so that's been a huge relief. Getting ready soon for a road trip to TX, to move my daughter from Austin to here with us. She still has her car there and we have to sell most of her furniture. She's going to stay with us for a longer term and save money again -- most of her savings are gone after a year with Covid-19. Bittersweet to have her here. She was doing really well pre-Covid. A once, very happy and productive young professional woman is now very depressed and unsure of herself. It's been devistating, as a parent, to watch. I'm sure we're not unique in this whole pandemic.
We are just keeping our fingers crossed that her last month of utility bills won't be an incredibly horrible surprise. Not much choice on this trip. We will likely have to spend one day in a hotel (not thrilled about that) each way. I'll likely wear a mask nearly the entire time in the hotel.
Good deal with your brother. If your daughter was doing well with career pre-covid she will be fine when things come back. Enjoy your time with her.
Just an FYI. If her move involves renting a trailer check the rate one way from ATX to AZ vs renting and returning to the same location. When my son moved to ATX from IL it was more than 3X the cost to rent in IL and leave the trailer in ATX vs bringing it back to the same location (this was a well know national company).
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MikePfirrman wrote: »baconslave wrote: »baconslave wrote: »I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
From what I have read it is more common of recipients under 55 to have a more robust response to vaccines. Vaccines have a substance called an "adjuvant" that is designed to alert the body that there is an invader to provoke a response. As older people have less energetic immune systems, their response is less pronounced. It just doesn't pounce as hard. The Covid vax acts the same. So I imagine that if that is the case for Modern, they used a more provocatory adjuvant. My Dad is 76, and he got severe aches and chills the night after the vaccine. And soreness at the injection site and that was all. He'll get his second tomorrow. So we shall see how he weathers that.
So the 2nd dose tends to overall provoke more severe reactions than the first across both, but according to this source, Moderna's overall side effects are worse than Pfizer's. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-why-your-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-will-likely-have-stronger-side-effects#Millions-of-doses,-few-problems
EDIT: Being the shameless nerd that I am, I couldn't let this go. According one study, neither use a separate adjuvant, but "BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna do not explicitly state the use of an adjuvant within their vaccines, but RNA already contains immunostimulatory properties and signals through pathogen recognition receptors.72 It remains to be seen whether the immunostimulation from RNA is strong enough to confer full protection against SARS-CoV-2. There is also a possibility that the LNP carriers they utilize confer adjuvant properties themselves." Super neat. So if this is true, than the lipsomes and mRNA formulations in the Moderna are more naturally rowdy than the ones Pfizer uses.
(This source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553041/)
This exactly they talked about on TWIV. They supposed that older immune systems slowly react over time while younger immune systems just bang it right out. They also joked that older people might simply be more used to being tired and achy and don't notice it
My Dad has said that.
I need to add that podcast to my queue.
It can be dense, prob two thirds of it goes over my head lol but it's so reassuring. When they get really technical, I kind of zone out and drift back when it starts to sound like it's back on my level
That sounds like my life as a technical recruiter for 25 years!
My brother has continued to improve, so that's been a huge relief. Getting ready soon for a road trip to TX, to move my daughter from Austin to here with us. She still has her car there and we have to sell most of her furniture. She's going to stay with us for a longer term and save money again -- most of her savings are gone after a year with Covid-19. Bittersweet to have her here. She was doing really well pre-Covid. A once, very happy and productive young professional woman is now very depressed and unsure of herself. It's been devistating, as a parent, to watch. I'm sure we're not unique in this whole pandemic.
We are just keeping our fingers crossed that her last month of utility bills won't be an incredibly horrible surprise. Not much choice on this trip. We will likely have to spend one day in a hotel (not thrilled about that) each way. I'll likely wear a mask nearly the entire time in the hotel.
We are in the same boat, our 26 y.o. daughter was 2 years into her career in the airline industry, when that came crashing down fast. We are just about done finishing up a self contained apartment in our home for her, could be years before she is back to work where she was. And then of course she has lost all that career growth and seniority. Luckily she now has a contract job that she can work from home and pays exceptionally well, so she can save a lot while living here with us, so that helps. Hope your daughter does well when she is back home with you.
It's been hard physically on our generation - but the financial and emotional toll on the younger generation will be a long time healing.17 -
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scott-gottlieb-coronavirus-downward-trend-face-the-nation/
Sounds like we're finally over the final peak. We were told early on there will be no herd immunity with Covid-19.1 -
Four people in Oregon who are at least two weeks past their second vaccination are positive for COVID.rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I don’t have any evidence to substantiate this, but I feel like the vaccine probably is cutting transmission by a lot. Locally our rates have dropped sharply since January, starting at a time when they would have been expected to still be climbing from the holiday surge. I believe the change is because healthcare professionals were vaccinated. Since local tracing found that the largest single traceable source of infections was healthcare (with 65% being no known origin) it makes sense that stopping doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers from spreading it would show results quickly.
COVID will be endemic. We’ll likely need annual/semi-annual boosters. It’ll be like the flu vaccine, I think. Fewer people will get sick, and those who do will be less likely to be hospitalized or die.
At our campus town hall last week, one of the doctors from the medical center said once you’re vaccinated you can only spread COVID if you’re infected yourself, but another doctor on the local news said fully vaccinated people could still spread it regardless. 🤷🏻♀️ Only time will tell.
Did they explain how it could be spread by someone who isn't infected?
They didn’t. I think it’s too early to tell. My guess is the variants will continue to cause issues. Just like the different flu viruses. The vaccine covers the three strains which are thought to be the most prevalent that season. But there are still many others out there. That’s why swine flu was so bad. It emerged unexpectedly and wasn’t in the vaccine that year. And we’ve been fighting the flu for years and this virus for barely a year.
The jury will be out for a while on how effective the current vaccines are against the new variants and additional ones.2 -
I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
My co-workers and I had our second dose on Friday. My arm was more sore than the first time, but other than that, I was fine. A few of my colleagues reported feeling cold-symptoms the day after. Took some Tylenol and felt much better later. I have a handful of people I know who’ve run fevers and felt bad for the first 24-36 hours.
All of us are under 55 except for one 61 year old.
No matter what the side effects from the immune response were, still better than getting COVID in my book!9 -
I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
I have no idea in general, but I literally just got off the phone with my 29 year old daughter. She got her second moderna shot yesterday. She is wiped out. She has had a fever of 102 all night. Body hurts too much to sleep and even laying down at all is painful. She says that her whole body feels arthritic. She threw up at 2 am. Her one other comment though is that she wonders if this is how she feels from the vaccine, then how might she have felt contracting the actual COVID virus. She is trying to power through and avoid pain and fever reduces as many have claimed that you want the immune response to help build your immune response.
Well, one of my staff members was out for a month and has been back at 50% for the last two weeks. She STILL has a fever! I’m afraid she’s going to be a long-hauler.10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.mediaite.com/news/johns-hopkins-doctor-predicts-covid-will-be-mostly-gone-by-april/
Sounds like high rates of Covid-19 may be finally winding down the pandemic.
That doesn’t mean we don’t still have a problem. It means 2000 people a day are dying instead of 10,000. Still an unacceptable rate for loss of life.18 -
My head is in a loop re: vaccines. I’ve always been a vaccine believer and taken everything officials recommend. I recently found out I’m pregnant, and covid vaccines are not approved for pregnant women. This means I can’t get a covid vaccine in the next 8 months, and even after that I don’t know how postpartum and breastfeeding are handled.
This is the first time ever I have had to rely on others getting vaccinated and forming herd immunity around me, and I don’t like this feeling. This is also the first time I’ve been worried about myself getting sick, so far all the worry has been related to me getting it, spreading it and causing harm to others.23 -
My head is in a loop re: vaccines. I’ve always been a vaccine believer and taken everything officials recommend. I recently found out I’m pregnant, and covid vaccines are not approved for pregnant women. This means I can’t get a covid vaccine in the next 8 months, and even after that I don’t know how postpartum and breastfeeding are handled.
This is the first time ever I have had to rely on others getting vaccinated and forming herd immunity around me, and I don’t like this feeling. This is also the first time I’ve been worried about myself getting sick, so far all the worry has been related to me getting it, spreading it and causing harm to others.
Congratulations! Wishing you all the best. Just stay calm and keep doing what you're doing. Time will fly--you'll see.6
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