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  • gesundundmunter
    gesundundmunter Posts: 225 Member
    tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    3 weeks away?

    that is interesting

    AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.

    I believe the protocol for Pfizer is three weeks between doses (at least in Australia, don't know about anywhere else).

    Yes, Pfizer is three weeks in between doses (in the US).
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,887 Member
    edited March 2021
    tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    3 weeks away?

    that is interesting

    AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.

    I believe the protocol for Pfizer is three weeks between doses (at least in Australia, don't know about anywhere else).

    That's what it is here (US) too, at least where I live. I managed to get shot one and there's 3 weeks between. [Edit, I see lots of others responded already!]
  • Psychgrrl
    Psychgrrl Posts: 3,177 Member
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    I mentioned yesterday that my daughter woke up with a sore throat and runny nose. She tested yesterday. She called me at 8 am today to let me know her test was positive. She visited us Saturday and had no symptoms. We went in for tests at noon today. The National Guard was administering the tests at the site we went to. Very well organized and moved quickly.
    We’re scheduled for our second Moderna shot 4/8. Hopefully we’ll have negative results.

    Please be careful everyone. My daughter has been very diligent about following all guidelines during this past year. Her company has had most employees working from home for about 5-6 years. She has very little outside contact, besides visiting us, and grocery shopping.

    Wishing her a full and speedy recovery! 💖I have definitely seen cases where precautions were taken and community spread still happened.

    And that was before the more transmissible strains were identified.
  • jenilla1
    jenilla1 Posts: 11,118 Member
    gradchica27 wrote: »
    Got my first Pfizer shot a week ago. My county opened it up to all adults last week—there were still plenty of spots left after being in phase 2 something, so happy they did that. Went through the county system—drive through appt, in and out (including 15 min wait period) in 35 minutes.

    Sore arm for a day, but I did have swollen and painful occipital and periauricular lymph nodes, mostly in the opposite side from vaccinated arm. The day after shot I thought I had slept in my earbuds and maybe weirdly on my neck, then day 2 post vaccine I was wondering what in the world I had done to myself because neck hurt so badly. Massaging what I thought were tight muscles, noticed a couple lumps. Physician husband confirmed lymph nodes. So hopefully that means my body is working hard right now! A week later, still swollen and painful but significantly improved. Other than that no symptoms.

    Happy TN opened things up , somewhat annoyed my parents (late 70s, multiple underlying conditions—diabetes, heart disease, lupus) are getting their second shot today in SC. So they were only two weeks ahead of me, which is crazy.

    Sorry, off topic, but you mentioned your sore arm. I glanced at the arm in your profile pic. You have awesome arms. Just sayin'. B)
  • Psychgrrl
    Psychgrrl Posts: 3,177 Member
    gesundundmunter wrote: »
    tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    3 weeks away?

    that is interesting

    AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.

    I believe the protocol for Pfizer is three weeks between doses (at least in Australia, don't know about anywhere else).

    Yes, Pfizer is three weeks in between doses (in the US).

    It’s the minimum—Modern is four weeks (previously stated by someone) however the shots won’t be less effective (based on what we know now) if the second is administered father apart.
  • spiriteagle99
    spiriteagle99 Posts: 3,826 Member
    In PA the Governor has announced that they are going to allow all the 1B and 1C to start registering in the next two weeks (frontline workers like police, fire, grocery store etc.) and then they will open it up to everyone. Since it's taken 3.5 months just to get the old and ill vaccinated, and they haven't finished with that group yet, opening it up to the other 2/3 of the population at once will be insanity. Still, as one of the few states that hadn't opened up vaccinations since they started in December, a lot of people were starting to get upset. I don't think they'll be any less upset when they realize that they can't get an actual appointment until July, if they can get through at all.
  • hipari
    hipari Posts: 1,364 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    Psychgrrl wrote: »
    Saw this today.

    The Pandemic Has Sparked a Mass Mental Health Crisis Among College Students and Young Adults https://www.nbclosangeles.com/lx/the-pandemic-has-sparked-a-mass-mental-health-crisis-among-college-students-and-young-adults/2562973/

    Speaking for my students, it’s less the isolation than the impact of the pandemic, illness/death of family and friends, loss of jobs, loss of housing, if they still have a place to live, other homeless relatives moving in.

    During the pandemic home prices have skyrocketed here (greater Toronto area). I mean the cost of housing was ridiculous before, but I guess with everyone working from home there has been a push out of the city, and homes even 2+ hours from Toronto, in towns no one would have ever considered before, are having bidding wars on them. It's insane.

    The house across the street from me listed last week for $1M - and I guess they didn't get the bidding war they wanted on it so they relisted for $1.1M. Like this is a very average subdivision house 30 minutes outside of Toronto's suburbs that would have maybe sold for $800,000 in 2019.

    I have three grown kids, two of whom do not own their own homes yet, and looks like they never will at this rate. That is pretty depressing too.:(

    Hearing things like this makes me extra happy that we bought our apartment from a new development in 2019, before all of this, and then sat semi-comfortably in our cheap rented apartment until last December when we moved. I’m also really happy we were able to help my sister’s boyfriend’s sister and her family, who desperately needed a cheap rental apartment and they got ours based on our recommendation to our landlady.

    Here the housing market is split in two. Prices of downtown rentals have actually gone down, for two main reasons: people who can are moving to the suburbs and countryside where there’s more space, and students are staying with their parents instead of moving to the city because their studies are remote (we don’t really have ”campus areas” with housing here, and the University of Helsinki has several campuses sprinkled across town). Buying prices, especially for family homes, have gone up both in suburbs and even in more remote areas ~2 hours around Helsinki, as people want more space, their own yards, and are realizing they are unlikely to return to 100% in-office work.
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,393 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    3 weeks away?

    that is interesting

    AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.

    I believe the protocol for Pfizer is three weeks between doses (at least in Australia, don't know about anywhere else).

    Unless you are in Canada! We are spacing Pfizer out to 16 weeks. Got my first early March, next one June 28.

    I think we are in much worse shape than Australia though, our cases are surging right now and they want to get as many first shots in arms as possible. Plus we have an ongoing vaccine shortage.

    Astra Zeneca is also on hold here for those under 55 due to the blood clot issue. The Astra Zeneca rollout has been a nightmare here - first it was only for those under 60, then up to 65, then they said anyone can get it, now they are saying only over 55. Wouldn't surprise me if most of it goes in the garbage they have lost the confidence of the population with the constant recommendation changes, and I already know people who are refusing it (or planning to refuse it).

    Yes, my dad got his first Pfizer shot on the 19th and his second appointment is in July.

    I'd refuse that Astra Zeneca. I'm 57 so too close to that cutoff for comfort, plus it was apparently more of an issue in women than in men. Last I read, if you agreed to the A-Z you would have to sign some sort of informed consent.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    ythannah wrote: »
    33gail33 wrote: »
    tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    3 weeks away?

    that is interesting

    AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.

    I believe the protocol for Pfizer is three weeks between doses (at least in Australia, don't know about anywhere else).

    Unless you are in Canada! We are spacing Pfizer out to 16 weeks. Got my first early March, next one June 28.

    I think we are in much worse shape than Australia though, our cases are surging right now and they want to get as many first shots in arms as possible. Plus we have an ongoing vaccine shortage.

    Astra Zeneca is also on hold here for those under 55 due to the blood clot issue. The Astra Zeneca rollout has been a nightmare here - first it was only for those under 60, then up to 65, then they said anyone can get it, now they are saying only over 55. Wouldn't surprise me if most of it goes in the garbage they have lost the confidence of the population with the constant recommendation changes, and I already know people who are refusing it (or planning to refuse it).

    Yes, my dad got his first Pfizer shot on the 19th and his second appointment is in July.

    I'd refuse that Astra Zeneca. I'm 57 so too close to that cutoff for comfort, plus it was apparently more of an issue in women than in men. Last I read, if you agreed to the A-Z you would have to sign some sort of informed consent.

    Yeah it is definitely women that are the concern- idk why they are stopping it for men. I only know one person who got is so far and he is a 62 year old man - he got it right at the start when they were giving it to 60-64 years olds in Toronto. I wonder what they are going to do about the second dose if they withdraw it.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    They discussed A-Z on TWIV in more depth this week. To boil it down, they said the incidence of blood clots was no greater than in the general pop, BUT acknowledged the fact that those few affected were under 55 women was unusual,as we're the specifics of the cases. They said that while it could be coincidental, it requires study. However, they said that you still have a better chance right now of getting a bad case of covid than you do of getting dangerous blood clots from the A-Z vaccine, so they don't think countries who are relying on A-Z should withdraw it and risk prolonging the pandemic.

    There was a deep dive discussion on the differences between A-Z and the other major vaccines, and I was not able to follow any of it :blush:

    They also mentioned that there's been a lot of "drama" around the A-Z trial and rollout and while they're convinced the A-Z vaccine is a good vaccine, it's a shame A-Z has made such a mess of the whole thing.

    The article I read said that the blood clot reaction was similar to a rare reaction one might get with other drugs, specifically heparin, and it is similar to a rare auto immune response. Of course if you are taking one of the drugs that also rarely causes this reaction (like heparin I guess) you would weigh the risks against the benefits of the drug for whatever problem you are treating.
    The problem with the vaccine causing the same reaction is that you are giving it to young healthy people who are not ill yet and may never be - so the risk assessment gets a little more tricky. That's the summary I read about it anyway - I guess we will see what Canada decides on it. I agree though they did make a mess of it - I don't know if the Astra Zeneca vaccine will ever be well accepted here now.
  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,010 Member
    @33gail33 Interesting,thanks. I still think if my turn came up and it was A-Z I'd take it, but I'm not judging anyone for being hesitant until more is known. Easy for me to say of course, as A-Z isn't even an option here in the US. I hope they figure it out.
  • tiptoethruthetulips
    tiptoethruthetulips Posts: 3,382 Spam Moderator
    paperpudding wrote: »
    ythannah wrote: »
    33gail33 wrote: »
    tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    3 weeks away?

    that is interesting

    AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.

    I believe the protocol for Pfizer is three weeks between doses (at least in Australia, don't know about anywhere else).

    Unless you are in Canada! We are spacing Pfizer out to 16 weeks. Got my first early March, next one June 28.

    I think we are in much worse shape than Australia though, our cases are surging right now and they want to get as many first shots in arms as possible. Plus we have an ongoing vaccine shortage.

    Astra Zeneca is also on hold here for those under 55 due to the blood clot issue. The Astra Zeneca rollout has been a nightmare here - first it was only for those under 60, then up to 65, then they said anyone can get it, now they are saying only over 55. Wouldn't surprise me if most of it goes in the garbage they have lost the confidence of the population with the constant recommendation changes, and I already know people who are refusing it (or planning to refuse it).

    Yes, my dad got his first Pfizer shot on the 19th and his second appointment is in July.

    I'd refuse that Astra Zeneca. I'm 57 so too close to that cutoff for comfort, plus it was apparently more of an issue in women than in men. Last I read, if you agreed to the A-Z you would have to sign some sort of informed consent.



    Well i hope that isnt the case in Australia - people refusing AZ.

    since AZ is the vaccine everyone beyond phase1a will be getting.

    There are only 2 vaccines here - pfizer which is being adminstered via hospital hubs to frontline health workers, staff and residents of Aged care/disability homes and quarantine and airport workers - that is phase1a criteria.

    Everyone else, in stages, will be getting AZ - we are now on stage1b - which included me in "other health workers"
    as well as all people over 70, aboriginal people over 55 and younger people with specific high risk medical conditions

    had mine yesterday morning - about 30 hours ago now.

    Sore arm, and felt very tired today (the tiredness might be coincidence as have had very hectic week)
    No other issues.

    As mentioned previously I had mine yesterdy too, by the time I went to bed my arm was sore and was quite sore this morning, as the day progressed most of the soreness has worn off. No other side effects so far.

    Today I visited a friend who is nurse who had her first pfizer shot a couple of weeks ago, she showed me a pic she took of her arm after a few days. The area was quite imflammed, swollen and she said it was extremely itchy, all good now.
  • 33gail33
    33gail33 Posts: 1,155 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    @33gail33 Interesting,thanks. I still think if my turn came up and it was A-Z I'd take it, but I'm not judging anyone for being hesitant until more is known. Easy for me to say of course, as A-Z isn't even an option here in the US. I hope they figure it out.

    From a public health perspective it is a no brainer - even if 1 in 25,000 or 1 in 100,000 (I have seen two different estimates) have a rare reaction, and even die, you are probably still benefiting more people by giving it to everyone.
    But for the person who has the rare reaction it sucks for them because they may never have even got Covid to begin with, or could have potentially got a mild case. Thus the dilemma I guess.
    Although if the vaccine causes this reaction in an individual I wonder if that means that individual would be more susceptible to a severe reaction to a natural Covid infection? I don't know enough to speculate about that.

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