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Pfizer for teens?
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I don't mind at all! Thanks for posting the article. I do follow Oklahoma and Cherokee Nation and think that they've been really successful, but I think it depends on the tribe. Ok, N and S. Dakota, most other places with a big Native population are at an advantage, hopefully, with low population density. But if there are 2.6 million Natives, then it might not be so good because the Indian Health Service has only reported 742,033 having at least the first dose on the vaccine tracker. I don't know about all tribes, but in Cherokee Nation there are around 390, 000 citizens, I think, and at least a third of those live outside Ok and so don't actually use the IHS..I agree 100%, and I am planning to schedule my daughter's vaccination when I go in for my second one! I was just responded to those that said that they don't understand the fear and hesitancy, and just saying that I can understand it. It is frustrating, but there are some people that don't want to be vaccinated because of a different religion or concept of health or healing, and that is their right...not always just because of misinformation or distrust. Natives have a lot of historical reasons to distrust the government, but I remember reading that some Shawnees from Ohio, refused to agree to remove to Indian territory without having smallpox vaccine protection in the 1830s! I actually think my grandmother's odd beliefs came from our Mennonite ancestors. As far as I can speculate, to her it contradicted faith or spiritual based healing.?:/ I think with my mom, it might be more a distrust of the medicine and fear of side effects, though.
With deepest respect and understanding to what you have written...I feel fortunate to be able to understand both points of view. I know that a lot of people are not getting it because of misinformation, but for others it's really a cultural thing and maybe legitimate reasons to be skeptical passed down from previous generations. Sometimes quite rational, believe it or not! My grandmother who was of Native American, English, and Swiss Mennonite ancestry came up with some pretty good answers not to take any medicines (even when she was diagnosed with diabetes) and she lived til she was 86! I tend to relate to the other side of my family, though, who sees this as just craziness..
The distrust of your grandmother has maybe roots in "white man medicine".
What has most cultures in common is reverence to life. Giving trust to all different medical scientists behind research, validation and approval of covid vaccines is expression of it.(many of them working day and night, not a kind of cheap glorification but truth) It's not a kind of "white man medicine".
My grandfather lived almost as long as your granny. He was hard smoker since childhood. So, is this one experience enought to make a conclusion that doctors are not true about danger of smoking? The truth is that he could lost 10 years becase he had clogged vessel (only serious diseasse he faced) and modern medicine gave him additional 10 years of life.
This is a bit of a digression, but since it's your thread and you introduced this subtopic, I'll take the risk of following up, and hope you won't mind.
Interestingly, recently I'm hearing reports that indigenous groups in the US appear to have among the highest vaccination rates. For example:
https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/covid-19-vaccination-american-indian-alaska-native-people/
I don't have a link to the particular reports, but I've heard some reports (radio) that were interviewing tribal leaders, who said some relevant factors were relatively high trust in tribal health clinics, a recognition in these groups that elders (valued in US indigenous cultures) were at very high risk, and that sort of thing.
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I don't blame you! Luckily my daughter hasn't had any allergic reactions, and I'm still hesitant about it without any good reason to be..moonangel12 wrote: »
I hesitate jumping in to any discussion on vaccines, but I wanted to give my quick point of view... I am not antivax at all, but I did put on the brakes a bit when my 3rd child had a horrendous reaction to the MMR as a baby/toddler (her pediatrician said in her 30 years she had never seen anything like it... side note, I don’t think it was ever reported. I had to get their shot records when we moved and her MMR boosters are listed as “parent refusal” even though her pediatrician made it very clear she should never have another one again 😡). That daughter has a host of allergies and sensitivities. My fourth has some as well, but not to the same extent so we were slow and methodical with his vaccinations. I also have some auto immune issues and am one that if there is a side effect to be had, I am going to have it so I am definitely leery for now. Once more time passes and more information is gathered I will be more comfortable, but for now I still feel like we are in a trial state for this particular vaccine.I hope this doesn't get deleted for being political. It is a subject of health and fitness, though! Do you all think that the risks of covid outweigh the risks of adverse reactions to vaccine in pre-teens and teenagers? Is it worth it for healthy kids to be vaccinated?
Have there been adverse reactions to the Pfizer vaccine? I haven't heard of any. I don't have teens my kids are in their 20's and are all getting it. I honestly don't understand why everyone is so hesitant about this vaccine compared to the 20 or so their kids have already had.
Maybe I am simple but the idea that 0.3 ml of a substance designed to trigger a specific immune response would have some sort of random negative effect years down the road seems bizarre and far fetched to me. I wouldn't be worried at all about it.
Again, I am not antivax by any means, I just want more time and info before making that decision. We are only a year and some change out from even discovering the virus, I just feel like it was too fast so I am a bit skeptical of the long term effects at this point.
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I don't mind at all! Thanks for posting the article. I do follow Oklahoma and Cherokee Nation and think that they've been really successful, but I think it depends on the tribe. Ok, N and S. Dakota, most other places with a big Native population are at an advantage, hopefully, with low population density. But if there are 2.6 million Natives, then it might not be so good because the Indian Health Service has only reported 742,033 having at least the first dose on the vaccine tracker. I don't know about all tribes, but in Cherokee Nation there are around 390, 000 citizens, I think, and at least a third of those live outside Ok and so don't actually use the IHS..I agree 100%, and I am planning to schedule my daughter's vaccination when I go in for my second one! I was just responded to those that said that they don't understand the fear and hesitancy, and just saying that I can understand it. It is frustrating, but there are some people that don't want to be vaccinated because of a different religion or concept of health or healing, and that is their right...not always just because of misinformation or distrust. Natives have a lot of historical reasons to distrust the government, but I remember reading that some Shawnees from Ohio, refused to agree to remove to Indian territory without having smallpox vaccine protection in the 1830s! I actually think my grandmother's odd beliefs came from our Mennonite ancestors. As far as I can speculate, to her it contradicted faith or spiritual based healing.?:/ I think with my mom, it might be more a distrust of the medicine and fear of side effects, though.
With deepest respect and understanding to what you have written...I feel fortunate to be able to understand both points of view. I know that a lot of people are not getting it because of misinformation, but for others it's really a cultural thing and maybe legitimate reasons to be skeptical passed down from previous generations. Sometimes quite rational, believe it or not! My grandmother who was of Native American, English, and Swiss Mennonite ancestry came up with some pretty good answers not to take any medicines (even when she was diagnosed with diabetes) and she lived til she was 86! I tend to relate to the other side of my family, though, who sees this as just craziness..
The distrust of your grandmother has maybe roots in "white man medicine".
What has most cultures in common is reverence to life. Giving trust to all different medical scientists behind research, validation and approval of covid vaccines is expression of it.(many of them working day and night, not a kind of cheap glorification but truth) It's not a kind of "white man medicine".
My grandfather lived almost as long as your granny. He was hard smoker since childhood. So, is this one experience enought to make a conclusion that doctors are not true about danger of smoking? The truth is that he could lost 10 years becase he had clogged vessel (only serious diseasse he faced) and modern medicine gave him additional 10 years of life.
This is a bit of a digression, but since it's your thread and you introduced this subtopic, I'll take the risk of following up, and hope you won't mind.
Interestingly, recently I'm hearing reports that indigenous groups in the US appear to have among the highest vaccination rates. For example:
https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/covid-19-vaccination-american-indian-alaska-native-people/
I don't have a link to the particular reports, but I've heard some reports (radio) that were interviewing tribal leaders, who said some relevant factors were relatively high trust in tribal health clinics, a recognition in these groups that elders (valued in US indigenous cultures) were at very high risk, and that sort of thing.
Article I linked says "Federal data show that 32% of AIAN people had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared to 19% of White people, 16% of Asian people, 12% of Black people and 9% Hispanic people of as of April 5, 2021.State data similarly find higher vaccination rates among AIAN people compared to other groups." Your numbers (742,033/2.6M) would be 28.5%, so if the Feds have sources other than IHS, those a fairly close numbers, it seems like. Of course, all of the data for all groups has changed since 4/5/21, presumably by quite a lot, so who knows.
FWIW, some of the interviews I've heard have been in-state to Michigan. We do have a number of Native residents here, probably more concentrated in areas that (among the non-Native population) have been pretty rebellious about public health measures. I believe this would be Anishinaabe (Odawa, Pottawatomi, Ojibwe) primarily, here, but I'm not very knowledgeable. Not nearly as big a Native population here as in your area, though. I think only around 45,000.2 -
Oh, thanks for doing the math!!!! It's not as low as I thought just looking at it, & It would be a little more than the 28.5 because of people getting vaccinated outside the communities. (I'm really not that bad at math, but got 2 hours of sleep last night due to pulled chest muscles. I might be out of my element today talking statistics, haha!
& I will admit I went total hypochondriac thinking it was heart inflammation, until I remembered carrying two bedside tables over my head and down the stairs and that I am almost 45, too old to be doing stuff like that!) 0 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I have also had the experience of a vaccine being recalled shortly after my son had received it. So yes, a bit hesitant with one so new and largely untested.moonangel12 wrote: »
I hesitate jumping in to any discussion on vaccines, but I wanted to give my quick point of view... I am not antivax at all, but I did put on the brakes a bit when my 3rd child had a horrendous reaction to the MMR as a baby/toddler (her pediatrician said in her 30 years she had never seen anything like it... side note, I don’t think it was ever reported. I had to get their shot records when we moved and her MMR boosters are listed as “parent refusal” even though her pediatrician made it very clear she should never have another one again 😡). That daughter has a host of allergies and sensitivities. My fourth has some as well, but not to the same extent so we were slow and methodical with his vaccinations. I also have some auto immune issues and am one that if there is a side effect to be had, I am going to have it so I am definitely leery for now. Once more time passes and more information is gathered I will be more comfortable, but for now I still feel like we are in a trial state for this particular vaccine.I hope this doesn't get deleted for being political. It is a subject of health and fitness, though! Do you all think that the risks of covid outweigh the risks of adverse reactions to vaccine in pre-teens and teenagers? Is it worth it for healthy kids to be vaccinated?
Have there been adverse reactions to the Pfizer vaccine? I haven't heard of any. I don't have teens my kids are in their 20's and are all getting it. I honestly don't understand why everyone is so hesitant about this vaccine compared to the 20 or so their kids have already had.
Maybe I am simple but the idea that 0.3 ml of a substance designed to trigger a specific immune response would have some sort of random negative effect years down the road seems bizarre and far fetched to me. I wouldn't be worried at all about it.
Again, I am not antivax by any means, I just want more time and info before making that decision. We are only a year and some change out from even discovering the virus, I just feel like it was too fast so I am a bit skeptical of the long term effects at this point.
Well if someone is going to have an allergic reaction to a vaccine how is waiting for more information going to help that? They will still have an allergic reaction now or later. Wouldn't checking the ingredients to see if there are any commonalities with whatever caused the previous reactions be more prudent?
When I said I hadn't heard of any negative reactions maybe I should have specified that doesn't include allergic reactions, which obviously can happen with anything, and don't really say anything about the safety of a substance (I'm allergic to chick peas and I'm pretty sure billions of people safely eat them).
Fwiw my coworker had an allergic reaction to the flu vaccine years ago, was told never to get another one, and got the Pfizer shot last week without incident.
So you are waiting until it is “tested” on everyone else who chooses to get it until you decide?
I mean I guess that is your choice but if everyone decided to do that then we would all be in the same boat as India right now. I guess I could have done the “wait and see” but once cases started raging here I couldn’t get my vaccine fast enough.
If that isn’t the case where you are it is probably because other stepped up and got their vaccine - I just hope that people like you realize that other people who step up to take the vaccine are the reason that you have the luxury of making that choice.7 -
That might be true, but then people who are excited to get the vaccine might have them to thank for being able to get an appointment easily(at least here, where I live). I was able to get a next day appointment, and only had a five minute wait even though I got there 20 minutes early by accident!moonangel12 wrote: »
I have also had the experience of a vaccine being recalled shortly after my son had received it. So yes, a bit hesitant with one so new and largely untested.moonangel12 wrote: »
I hesitate jumping in to any discussion on vaccines, but I wanted to give my quick point of view... I am not antivax at all, but I did put on the brakes a bit when my 3rd child had a horrendous reaction to the MMR as a baby/toddler (her pediatrician said in her 30 years she had never seen anything like it... side note, I don’t think it was ever reported. I had to get their shot records when we moved and her MMR boosters are listed as “parent refusal” even though her pediatrician made it very clear she should never have another one again 😡). That daughter has a host of allergies and sensitivities. My fourth has some as well, but not to the same extent so we were slow and methodical with his vaccinations. I also have some auto immune issues and am one that if there is a side effect to be had, I am going to have it so I am definitely leery for now. Once more time passes and more information is gathered I will be more comfortable, but for now I still feel like we are in a trial state for this particular vaccine.I hope this doesn't get deleted for being political. It is a subject of health and fitness, though! Do you all think that the risks of covid outweigh the risks of adverse reactions to vaccine in pre-teens and teenagers? Is it worth it for healthy kids to be vaccinated?
Have there been adverse reactions to the Pfizer vaccine? I haven't heard of any. I don't have teens my kids are in their 20's and are all getting it. I honestly don't understand why everyone is so hesitant about this vaccine compared to the 20 or so their kids have already had.
Maybe I am simple but the idea that 0.3 ml of a substance designed to trigger a specific immune response would have some sort of random negative effect years down the road seems bizarre and far fetched to me. I wouldn't be worried at all about it.
Again, I am not antivax by any means, I just want more time and info before making that decision. We are only a year and some change out from even discovering the virus, I just feel like it was too fast so I am a bit skeptical of the long term effects at this point.
Well if someone is going to have an allergic reaction to a vaccine how is waiting for more information going to help that? They will still have an allergic reaction now or later. Wouldn't checking the ingredients to see if there are any commonalities with whatever caused the previous reactions be more prudent?
When I said I hadn't heard of any negative reactions maybe I should have specified that doesn't include allergic reactions, which obviously can happen with anything, and don't really say anything about the safety of a substance (I'm allergic to chick peas and I'm pretty sure billions of people safely eat them).
Fwiw my coworker had an allergic reaction to the flu vaccine years ago, was told never to get another one, and got the Pfizer shot last week without incident.
So you are waiting until it is “tested” on everyone else who chooses to get it until you decide?
I mean I guess that is your choice but if everyone decided to do that then we would all be in the same boat as India right now. I guess I could have done the “wait and see” but once cases started raging here I couldn’t get my vaccine fast enough.
If that isn’t the case where you are it is probably because other stepped up and got their vaccine - I just hope that people like you realize that other people who step up to take the vaccine are the reason that you have the luxury of making that choice.
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I'm aggravated more by international travelers than those hesitant to get a vaccine.. At some point, though, I had to just go with the live and let live philosophy and just hope for the best, because as much as we think our way is the best way for everyone there's going to be at least a billion other people on the planet who will disagree!5
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That might be true, but then people who are excited to get the vaccine might have them to thank for being able to get an appointment easily(at least here, where I live). I was able to get a next day appointment, and only had a five minute wait even though I got there 20 minutes early by accident!moonangel12 wrote: »
I have also had the experience of a vaccine being recalled shortly after my son had received it. So yes, a bit hesitant with one so new and largely untested.moonangel12 wrote: »
I hesitate jumping in to any discussion on vaccines, but I wanted to give my quick point of view... I am not antivax at all, but I did put on the brakes a bit when my 3rd child had a horrendous reaction to the MMR as a baby/toddler (her pediatrician said in her 30 years she had never seen anything like it... side note, I don’t think it was ever reported. I had to get their shot records when we moved and her MMR boosters are listed as “parent refusal” even though her pediatrician made it very clear she should never have another one again 😡). That daughter has a host of allergies and sensitivities. My fourth has some as well, but not to the same extent so we were slow and methodical with his vaccinations. I also have some auto immune issues and am one that if there is a side effect to be had, I am going to have it so I am definitely leery for now. Once more time passes and more information is gathered I will be more comfortable, but for now I still feel like we are in a trial state for this particular vaccine.I hope this doesn't get deleted for being political. It is a subject of health and fitness, though! Do you all think that the risks of covid outweigh the risks of adverse reactions to vaccine in pre-teens and teenagers? Is it worth it for healthy kids to be vaccinated?
Have there been adverse reactions to the Pfizer vaccine? I haven't heard of any. I don't have teens my kids are in their 20's and are all getting it. I honestly don't understand why everyone is so hesitant about this vaccine compared to the 20 or so their kids have already had.
Maybe I am simple but the idea that 0.3 ml of a substance designed to trigger a specific immune response would have some sort of random negative effect years down the road seems bizarre and far fetched to me. I wouldn't be worried at all about it.
Again, I am not antivax by any means, I just want more time and info before making that decision. We are only a year and some change out from even discovering the virus, I just feel like it was too fast so I am a bit skeptical of the long term effects at this point.
Well if someone is going to have an allergic reaction to a vaccine how is waiting for more information going to help that? They will still have an allergic reaction now or later. Wouldn't checking the ingredients to see if there are any commonalities with whatever caused the previous reactions be more prudent?
When I said I hadn't heard of any negative reactions maybe I should have specified that doesn't include allergic reactions, which obviously can happen with anything, and don't really say anything about the safety of a substance (I'm allergic to chick peas and I'm pretty sure billions of people safely eat them).
Fwiw my coworker had an allergic reaction to the flu vaccine years ago, was told never to get another one, and got the Pfizer shot last week without incident.
So you are waiting until it is “tested” on everyone else who chooses to get it until you decide?
I mean I guess that is your choice but if everyone decided to do that then we would all be in the same boat as India right now. I guess I could have done the “wait and see” but once cases started raging here I couldn’t get my vaccine fast enough.
If that isn’t the case where you are it is probably because other stepped up and got their vaccine - I just hope that people like you realize that other people who step up to take the vaccine are the reason that you have the luxury of making that choice.
As someone who had to wait for the vaccine to be opened to everyone to get mine, I absolutely don't feel grateful to people who are declining the vaccine. From a public health POV, it's a net negative for people in higher risk categories to decline the vaccine even if it results in me getting mine sooner than I otherwise would have.
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That might be true, but then people who are excited to get the vaccine might have them to thank for being able to get an appointment easily(at least here, where I live). I was able to get a next day appointment, and only had a five minute wait even though I got there 20 minutes early by accident!moonangel12 wrote: »
I have also had the experience of a vaccine being recalled shortly after my son had received it. So yes, a bit hesitant with one so new and largely untested.moonangel12 wrote: »
I hesitate jumping in to any discussion on vaccines, but I wanted to give my quick point of view... I am not antivax at all, but I did put on the brakes a bit when my 3rd child had a horrendous reaction to the MMR as a baby/toddler (her pediatrician said in her 30 years she had never seen anything like it... side note, I don’t think it was ever reported. I had to get their shot records when we moved and her MMR boosters are listed as “parent refusal” even though her pediatrician made it very clear she should never have another one again 😡). That daughter has a host of allergies and sensitivities. My fourth has some as well, but not to the same extent so we were slow and methodical with his vaccinations. I also have some auto immune issues and am one that if there is a side effect to be had, I am going to have it so I am definitely leery for now. Once more time passes and more information is gathered I will be more comfortable, but for now I still feel like we are in a trial state for this particular vaccine.I hope this doesn't get deleted for being political. It is a subject of health and fitness, though! Do you all think that the risks of covid outweigh the risks of adverse reactions to vaccine in pre-teens and teenagers? Is it worth it for healthy kids to be vaccinated?
Have there been adverse reactions to the Pfizer vaccine? I haven't heard of any. I don't have teens my kids are in their 20's and are all getting it. I honestly don't understand why everyone is so hesitant about this vaccine compared to the 20 or so their kids have already had.
Maybe I am simple but the idea that 0.3 ml of a substance designed to trigger a specific immune response would have some sort of random negative effect years down the road seems bizarre and far fetched to me. I wouldn't be worried at all about it.
Again, I am not antivax by any means, I just want more time and info before making that decision. We are only a year and some change out from even discovering the virus, I just feel like it was too fast so I am a bit skeptical of the long term effects at this point.
Well if someone is going to have an allergic reaction to a vaccine how is waiting for more information going to help that? They will still have an allergic reaction now or later. Wouldn't checking the ingredients to see if there are any commonalities with whatever caused the previous reactions be more prudent?
When I said I hadn't heard of any negative reactions maybe I should have specified that doesn't include allergic reactions, which obviously can happen with anything, and don't really say anything about the safety of a substance (I'm allergic to chick peas and I'm pretty sure billions of people safely eat them).
Fwiw my coworker had an allergic reaction to the flu vaccine years ago, was told never to get another one, and got the Pfizer shot last week without incident.
So you are waiting until it is “tested” on everyone else who chooses to get it until you decide?
I mean I guess that is your choice but if everyone decided to do that then we would all be in the same boat as India right now. I guess I could have done the “wait and see” but once cases started raging here I couldn’t get my vaccine fast enough.
If that isn’t the case where you are it is probably because other stepped up and got their vaccine - I just hope that people like you realize that other people who step up to take the vaccine are the reason that you have the luxury of making that choice.
We will also have them to thank when we are fully vaccinated, but still can't travel internationally, or see our relatives, because the portion of people who are refusing the vaccine is keeping the pandemic going.
I got an email from my mother's care home saying that restrictions won't be lifted until 85% of residents and staff have their vaccines and they are "encouraging" those staff who have yet to get their first shot to do so. For perspective I am her essential caregiver and was eligible at the same time as the staff to get mine - which I did way back on March 3. But there are still staff who haven't done it?
My mother is 87 years old and hasn't been able to see her other daughter or son, or grandchildren and great-grandchildren (I am the only visitor allowed) in over a year, and they are "encouraging" their staff to get vaccinated to get to 85% ? *kitten* that if they don't get the shot then fire them. My mother could literally die without ever seeing her family again.
So yeah it is a personal decision to choose not to vaccinate, but it is an incredibly selfish choice and I don't have to respect people who make it.
Edit: also every person who chooses not to vaccinate is another vector for the virus to infect and potentially mutate to a more dangerous variant which could evade our current vaccines. I won't be thanking anyone who refuses a vaccine they are eligible for.13 -
If it's safe for us old people, in our weakened, decrepit state (*sarcasm*), it should be fine for healthy vibrant youthful folks. We've had our 2 Pfizer shots with little more than a sore spot on our arm as a side effect.11
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My daughter 16 got her vaccine when I got it. Very minimal side effects. I just scheduled my son's appointment for tomorrow. He is 13. My wife and I never had a doubt about scheduling it when we found out it was available for their age groups.6
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We got chipped, no third eye, no tail, just better 5G connectivity.
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We got chipped, no third eye, no tail, just better 5G connectivity.
Funny you say that, when I went for my second dose I told the lady who was doing the screening that I didn't get my 5G bump from the first shot so I was expecting a REALLY big jump from the second one... she was still laughing as I walked away
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My son (13) just got his first shot. Will let you know if there are any reactions to it in a few days...3
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Funny you say that, when I went for my second dose I told the lady who was doing the screening that I didn't get my 5G bump from the first shot so I was expecting a REALLY big jump from the second one... she was still laughing as I walked away
[ Comment was removed by big firewall due to breaking the EU 124/2018 and US 5512/2012 regulation. Posting data directly from your covid 5G chip is not allowed...yet ]
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That might be true, but then people who are excited to get the vaccine might have them to thank for being able to get an appointment easily(at least here, where I live). I was able to get a next day appointment, and only had a five minute wait even though I got there 20 minutes early by accident!moonangel12 wrote: »
I have also had the experience of a vaccine being recalled shortly after my son had received it. So yes, a bit hesitant with one so new and largely untested.moonangel12 wrote: »
I hesitate jumping in to any discussion on vaccines, but I wanted to give my quick point of view... I am not antivax at all, but I did put on the brakes a bit when my 3rd child had a horrendous reaction to the MMR as a baby/toddler (her pediatrician said in her 30 years she had never seen anything like it... side note, I don’t think it was ever reported. I had to get their shot records when we moved and her MMR boosters are listed as “parent refusal” even though her pediatrician made it very clear she should never have another one again 😡). That daughter has a host of allergies and sensitivities. My fourth has some as well, but not to the same extent so we were slow and methodical with his vaccinations. I also have some auto immune issues and am one that if there is a side effect to be had, I am going to have it so I am definitely leery for now. Once more time passes and more information is gathered I will be more comfortable, but for now I still feel like we are in a trial state for this particular vaccine.I hope this doesn't get deleted for being political. It is a subject of health and fitness, though! Do you all think that the risks of covid outweigh the risks of adverse reactions to vaccine in pre-teens and teenagers? Is it worth it for healthy kids to be vaccinated?
Have there been adverse reactions to the Pfizer vaccine? I haven't heard of any. I don't have teens my kids are in their 20's and are all getting it. I honestly don't understand why everyone is so hesitant about this vaccine compared to the 20 or so their kids have already had.
Maybe I am simple but the idea that 0.3 ml of a substance designed to trigger a specific immune response would have some sort of random negative effect years down the road seems bizarre and far fetched to me. I wouldn't be worried at all about it.
Again, I am not antivax by any means, I just want more time and info before making that decision. We are only a year and some change out from even discovering the virus, I just feel like it was too fast so I am a bit skeptical of the long term effects at this point.
Well if someone is going to have an allergic reaction to a vaccine how is waiting for more information going to help that? They will still have an allergic reaction now or later. Wouldn't checking the ingredients to see if there are any commonalities with whatever caused the previous reactions be more prudent?
When I said I hadn't heard of any negative reactions maybe I should have specified that doesn't include allergic reactions, which obviously can happen with anything, and don't really say anything about the safety of a substance (I'm allergic to chick peas and I'm pretty sure billions of people safely eat them).
Fwiw my coworker had an allergic reaction to the flu vaccine years ago, was told never to get another one, and got the Pfizer shot last week without incident.
So you are waiting until it is “tested” on everyone else who chooses to get it until you decide?
I mean I guess that is your choice but if everyone decided to do that then we would all be in the same boat as India right now. I guess I could have done the “wait and see” but once cases started raging here I couldn’t get my vaccine fast enough.
If that isn’t the case where you are it is probably because other stepped up and got their vaccine - I just hope that people like you realize that other people who step up to take the vaccine are the reason that you have the luxury of making that choice.
Do we get to thank the unvaccinated for new variants that develop, especially when one turns out to be more deadly and more resistant to vaccines and treatments?7 -
I see that MFP changed the category from motivation and support to debate, haha...have fun with that you all! 2
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Sorry to you all who think TMI!!!! but this isn't misinformation...I have always been very regular, predictable and so I know for sure this is a side effect. :/So until I know for sure, why, I'm holding out a little longer before making my daughter's appt...
https://whowhatwhy.org/2021/05/15/how-the-moderna-vaccine-got-us-talking-about-periods/3 -
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We got chipped, no third eye, no tail, just better 5G connectivity.
Funny you say that, when I went for my second dose I told the lady who was doing the screening that I didn't get my 5G bump from the first shot so I was expecting a REALLY big jump from the second one... she was still laughing as I walked away
It takes 2 weeks for the chips to fully charge off your biorhythms and connect to your home WiFi. Patience.
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lamiller1962 wrote: »You do know there is 99.9% cure rate for every age group right
Please don't spread misinformation.8 -
Sorry to you all who think TMI!!!! but this isn't misinformation...I have always been very regular, predictable and so I know for sure this is a side effect. :/So until I know for sure, why, I'm holding out a little longer before making my daughter's appt...
https://whowhatwhy.org/2021/05/15/how-the-moderna-vaccine-got-us-talking-about-periods/
I guess I don't understand the process by which you determined that 37 women reporting a heavier flow after receiving the vaccine is more of a threat to your daughter than the issue of COVID variants flourishing in the context of a less vaccinated population.
Or is it a case of you hoping that enough other people get vaccinated to protect you and your family from the risk of variants?10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Sorry to you all who think TMI!!!! but this isn't misinformation...I have always been very regular, predictable and so I know for sure this is a side effect. :/So until I know for sure, why, I'm holding out a little longer before making my daughter's appt...
https://whowhatwhy.org/2021/05/15/how-the-moderna-vaccine-got-us-talking-about-periods/
I guess I don't understand the process by which you determined that 37 women reporting a heavier flow after receiving the vaccine is more of a threat to your daughter than the issue of COVID variants flourishing in the context of a less vaccinated population.
Or is it a case of you hoping that enough other people get vaccinated to protect you and your family from the risk of variants?
Some people are just looking for an excuse not to take it, they will latch on to anything to justify a stance that they have already taken.9 -
So apparently if I'm understanding this right, the immune response can cause estrogen levels to rise. So I probably wouldn't worry for a son or if my daughter were a little older, but she is about a year away from starting menstruation and I worry about giving her something that alters her hormone levels, right now. I'll keep looking into it, though, and might reevaluate if we have an outbreak this Autumn or if a new variant looks more dangerous for kids. Right now, there's not high risk for contracting it in our area. I am still glad to have gotten it myself, but wish that particular side effect was listed with the others...
Here is an interesting video talking about estrogen and Covid(from 9 months ago)
https://youtu.be/1DiF7zYMbnQ 1 -
She doesn't mind wearing masks because she's getting braces on her teeth this year, haha...2
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So apparently if I'm understanding this right, the immune response can cause estrogen levels to rise. So I probably wouldn't worry for a son or if my daughter were a little older, but she is about a year away from starting menstruation and I worry about giving her something that alters her hormone levels, right now. I'll keep looking into it, though, and might reevaluate if we have an outbreak this Autumn or if a new variant looks more dangerous for kids. Right now, there's not high risk for contracting it in our area. I am still glad to have gotten it myself, but wish that particular side effect was listed with the others...
Here is an interesting video talking about estrogen and Covid(from 9 months ago)https://youtu.be/1DiF7zYMbnQ
If you have an outbreak this fall and your daughter isn't vaccinated, then she's at risk. Waiting to get your vaccine UNTIL there is an outbreak doesn't make sense, as you need weeks for the full protection to kick in.
I mean, I don't think anything is going to convince anti-vaxxers at this point, the behavior has already been decided and it's just searching for justifications. I'm just pointing this out for anyone on the fence reading this thread . . . waiting until you need the vaccine due to high rates in your immediate vicinity doesn't make sense.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »So apparently if I'm understanding this right, the immune response can cause estrogen levels to rise. So I probably wouldn't worry for a son or if my daughter were a little older, but she is about a year away from starting menstruation and I worry about giving her something that alters her hormone levels, right now. I'll keep looking into it, though, and might reevaluate if we have an outbreak this Autumn or if a new variant looks more dangerous for kids. Right now, there's not high risk for contracting it in our area. I am still glad to have gotten it myself, but wish that particular side effect was listed with the others...
Here is an interesting video talking about estrogen and Covid(from 9 months ago)https://youtu.be/1DiF7zYMbnQ
If you have an outbreak this fall and your daughter isn't vaccinated, then she's at risk. Waiting to get your vaccine UNTIL there is an outbreak doesn't make sense, as you need weeks for the full protection to kick in.
I mean, I don't think anything is going to convince anti-vaxxers at this point, the behavior has already been decided and it's just searching for justifications. I'm just pointing this out for anyone on the fence reading this thread . . . waiting until you need the vaccine due to high rates in your immediate vicinity doesn't make sense.
@janejellyroll I can't watch the video right now, but can I assume that whatever effect the vaccine has on estrogen would also happen with natural Covid infection?2 -
No, but it doesn't make sense to use irrational fears to pressure people into vaccinating children any more than it does for adults to go unvaccinated if they're at higher risk for complications.8
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janejellyroll wrote: »So apparently if I'm understanding this right, the immune response can cause estrogen levels to rise. So I probably wouldn't worry for a son or if my daughter were a little older, but she is about a year away from starting menstruation and I worry about giving her something that alters her hormone levels, right now. I'll keep looking into it, though, and might reevaluate if we have an outbreak this Autumn or if a new variant looks more dangerous for kids. Right now, there's not high risk for contracting it in our area. I am still glad to have gotten it myself, but wish that particular side effect was listed with the others...
Here is an interesting video talking about estrogen and Covid(from 9 months ago)https://youtu.be/1DiF7zYMbnQ
If you have an outbreak this fall and your daughter isn't vaccinated, then she's at risk. Waiting to get your vaccine UNTIL there is an outbreak doesn't make sense, as you need weeks for the full protection to kick in.
I mean, I don't think anything is going to convince anti-vaxxers at this point, the behavior has already been decided and it's just searching for justifications. I'm just pointing this out for anyone on the fence reading this thread . . . waiting until you need the vaccine due to high rates in your immediate vicinity doesn't make sense.
100% correct. This behavior is incredibly irresponsible and selfish.4 -
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